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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKamala's winning, and it's not close
Jason Stanford clearly articulates - with references and data - what I have been thinking, feeling and trying to articulate to people for weeks. I can't predict the future, but I trust my gut a helluva lot more than Nate Silver's.
This is a long read, but so very worth your time. Read it, save it, and read it again next time you start getting nervous.
https://open.substack.com/pub/jasonstanford/p/kamalas-winning-and-its-not-close?r=n8oyh&utm_medium=ios

J_William_Ryan
(2,590 posts)Then I’ll stop being nervous about presidential elections.
Botany
(73,699 posts)Btw Russia is now sending out posts to social media sites that say something to
the effect, “Want to get rid of the electoral college? Vote for Jill Stein.”
3 things that need to be done:
1) Eliminate the E.C.
B) shorten the campaigns …. Presidential 6 months max other races 4 months max
iii) get rid of electronic voting machines
Set up a cabinet position… department of nice … coach Tim in charge …. He likes dogs.
and stops and gets doggy kisses.
mjvpi
(1,614 posts)FreeForm73
(145 posts)He called when Citizen's United was passed, I told him then, not good, we are now on the way to fascism. Of course, my response was pooh-poohed, but as each step was taken that way, I made sure to remind him of my original statement.
He passed a few years back, but it would be interesting to hear his take now.
mjvpi
(1,614 posts)Bingo. We agree on something. Dark Money s a really good documentary on our ex-governor’s , then Attorney General, Steve Bullock’s fight against dark money. He takes a case that was about Republican on Republican dirty tricks in a primary all the way to the Supreme Court. I agree with you about the systemic consequences of that decision.
rubbersole
(9,616 posts)Quickly.
mjvpi
(1,614 posts)Tweedy
(1,284 posts)We should do it by constitutional amendment.
We should be bold and declare (the obvious) corporations are not people.
If we get that done, much more will immediately become achievable.
Gore1FL
(22,357 posts)Bush 62,040,610 (50.7%)
Kerry 59,028,444 (48.3%)
paleotn
(20,199 posts)In fact, it's getting worse for them every cycle. The trend is in our favor. The high water mark for Republicans in the modern era was Reagan in 84 / Tricky in 72. Trump got a lower % of the vote in 16 and 20 than Romney got in 12.
Polybius
(19,625 posts)True for 2020 but false for 2016. Trump lost the Popular Vote that year by 2.1%. Romney lost by 3.9% in 2012.
paleotn
(20,199 posts)Romney, 47.2% of total vote in 2012. Trump, 46.1% in 2016, 46.9% in 2020. Closer last time, but still shy of Romney.
Polybius
(19,625 posts)2012 was normal, Third Parties got 1.7% of the vote. I expect even less this time around.
COL Mustard
(7,314 posts)Ten days or so before the election, and I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m very nervous about what might happen.
Botany
(73,699 posts)be dubious to the 2004 #s. That was some straight up nasty ass shit.
In Miami County (Ohio ) they loaded something like 20,000 new votes @ 10:30PM … 3 hours after
the close of voting and those “new votes” came in @ exactly the same % breakdowns as
the existing returns … even 2 points to the right of the decimal point.
valleyrogue
(1,940 posts)Sparkly
(24,550 posts)In important states and precincts, the voting machinery had no way to audit for accuracy, because there was no "paper trail." What can you test against if it's fully electronic, from the vote-casting through the tabulators?
Many bizarre statistical anomalies - or "irregularities" - were reported between exit polls and tabulated results, only as sharp outliers when things around them seemed normal. The states that year were Ohio, and as I recall, New Mexico.
Since then, the ability to check paper ballots has made a huge difference. Republicans suddenly have fits about "fraud" -- because it's harder for THEM to commit it!!
Gore1FL
(22,357 posts)Upthevibe
(9,465 posts)Bush won the popular vote in 2004:
Bush
62,040,610 50.7%
Kerry
59,028,444 48.3%
Source: The American Presidency Project
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/2004
Botany
(73,699 posts)Botany = As per skilz…. How it got there I don’t know
Karma13612
(4,739 posts)All primaries happen on the same day so EVERY PRIMARY VOTE COUNTS. Everyone has a say. No more candidates dropping out before your own state has their primary. I hated that I couldn’t vote for Elizabeth Warren in the primaries back in 2020.
I like your numbering scheme! You gave all the various list number options a chance! 👍😀
angrychair
(10,447 posts)More state legislatures it would be incredibly foolish to call a constitutional convention.
Republicans would front load it with their wish list and there would be nothing we could do to stop them. Everything from repealing the 19th amendment to an amendment against gay and mixed marriage would be passed and Democrats would not have the votes to stop it
JHB
(37,613 posts)I agree, a convention would be foolish. Various billionaires (notably the Kochs) and multimillionaires have long-term organized efforts to have a new convention and what to do in it. With an existing game plan and a mountain of resources, there's much too great a chance they could effectively take control of a constitutional convention. Who needs Project 2025 when they can enact a modern equivalent of the Confederate Constitution?
Beachnutt
(8,617 posts)I was so sure that I bet $100.00 on her to win.
I hope it doesn't happen again.
Scrivener7
(54,997 posts)Elessar Zappa
(16,318 posts)I implore everyone to read it.
Dennis Donovan
(29,950 posts)/snip/
Nate Silver has fallen.
Nate Silver was treated as a prophet for another two presidential elections, but thus corrupted, we invited more corruption. First came Donald Trump, who began a reordering of political coalitions that polling wasn’t designed to measure. Polls were built to fight the last war, not detect an insurgency in 2016 or the chaos of 2020. Then, after Dobbs, the dials swung left, and Trump’s partisans discovered they could game the system by flooding aggregators with what Simon Rosenberg dubbed “red wave polls.” These bad-faith polls goosed support for Republicans, but that support never showed up to vote in 2022.
Polling is broken, and yet the experts in the news media tap the dials, knowing something is off but reporting it anyway as if corrupted data were verifiable news. This creates a funhouse mirror experience for the last remaining consumers of mainstream news. As Frank Spring, who’s been on a bit of a rant lately about polling on his Substack, told me, “CNN’s Harry Enten is out here telling us that there’s just no conceivable way to read this election as anything other than 50-50, but also that it’s extremely likely that it will be decided by a landslide.”
The corruption has come full circle and claimed it’s Dr. Frankenstein. Nate Silver has fallen:

Frank Spring: “I would throw myself in the sea before I wrote such a thing or permitted it to be published in my newspaper”
/snip
ificandream
(11,085 posts)It really didn't make much sense to me. He seemed to be trying to justify something he couldn't justify.
paleotn
(20,199 posts)he fucked up and wont admit it. I guess he can't accept the fact that political polling is simply not an exact science. No where close. Anyone who's ever built statistical models attempting to measure much less predict human behavior knows this if they're honest with themselves. Silver's ego apparently won't allow that.
ificandream
(11,085 posts)All this cycle, I haven't paid as much attention to polls as the pundits would like. They screwed us in 2016. My feeling goes along with the substack piece I read yesterday that mentioned that Gen. Z voters aren't getting the attention (or the credit) they deserve. I think they'll be the ones who take a big role in deciding this one.
spooky3
(37,265 posts)liberal N proud
(61,104 posts)A little. pray they are correct.
RandomNumbers
(18,486 posts)or relatively early on Nov. 6th.
That's the "not close" that we really need.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)since the law doesnt allow early counting of mail ins.
MistakenLamb
(790 posts)Kamala is closing strong on enthusiasm, messaging and outreach including 1.2 million doors in battleground states yesterday
Beartracks
(13,835 posts)LOL
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tinrobot
(11,511 posts)What a great way to describe Gen Z
Beartracks
(13,835 posts)(from the article):
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Rocknation
(44,905 posts)We owe Thomas Matthew Crooks' martyrdom a gargantuan debt of gratitude -- if not sainthood.
Rocknation
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)and it was worthwhile and very encouraging.
Bernardo de La Paz
(53,892 posts)surfered
(5,880 posts)Indicates he has smelled the coffee and is giving up, possibly saving campaign cash for his upcoming legal fees.
BaronChocula
(2,621 posts)if everything I learned from old prison movies is true.
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ananda
(31,431 posts)These are voters wanting a break from status quo, who don’t like the economy (even though they are doing well), and think the country is moving in the wrong direction. They should be inclined to punish the incumbent, which Kamala technically is. Except she isn’t. The greatest trick Kamala has pulled—perhaps the greatest in modern history—was to turn Trump into the incumbent and the Trump era into the status quo that she promises to move on from.
Now that was interesting and enlightening.
Greatest campaign ever!!!
ificandream
(11,085 posts)The power of young voters who won't be voting for Trump has been hugely underestimated (if mentioned at all) by pundits. I think it'll hit Trump squarely in the mouth.
PatrickforB
(15,195 posts)not only win, but carry the House and Senate too in a Democratic mandate.
BluRay76
(54 posts)Good read, and a thoughtful analysis. I have enough situational anxiety that I won’t fully relax until she’s taking the oath of office, but when I can look past the anxiety and try to think rationally about the state of the country, this assessment of the state of the race makes sense to me. I have mostly lived in states where the race wasn’t close, and even my swing state years were spent in an urban, solidly blue region. Plus, I have been known to watch MSNBC from the end of the workday until it’s time for bed. All of this is to say that I don’t have a good feel for the priorities and mindset of most swing-state voters who don’t tune into politics until October. I appreciate all of the anecdotes and the visual evidence of pro-Harris enthusiasm - I was so excited for Hillary in 2016 and the election returns crushed me that year, but analyses like this, where the contrasts between then and now are clearly presented, are a balm for my soul.
GoodRaisin
(10,045 posts)1. Women
2. Ground game. We have one, Trump doesn’t.
I don’t see Trump overcoming that combination.
Abstractartist
(218 posts)I believe this may be correct. Trump said as much as he was paying for fake GOP polls on Joe Rogan podcast.
WarGamer
(16,733 posts)RandySF
(73,026 posts)Me at this time in 2016.
Upthevibe
(9,465 posts)I think that was what many people thought......
Polybius
(19,625 posts)I thought Trump would do much better than expected, losing a fairly close race. Maybe Hillary with 290 EV's.
iemanja
(55,753 posts)and she would know. She has access to data the rest of us don't.
teran
(58 posts)Her last few big speeches have made a remarkable shift from "we are the underdog" to "we are going to win" (sentiments, not direct quotes). I have no access to her campaign's internal polling, but I have watched the kind of disciplined campaign they are running. They are reaching out everywhere, to everyone, all the time. They have no intention of leaving out a state either because they think they already have it in the bag (see: Hillary, Michigan, 2016) or because they think it is unwinnable (see: Kamala, TEXAS, two days ago). They are making a direct appeal to every single eligible voter, in every corner of the country and they are not foolish enough to stop and coast now.
The larger margin Harris-Walz wins by - popular vote AND electoral college - the more difficult it will be for whatever post-election fuckery the Rs have planned to get a toehold.
AND... they are already planning for post-election fuckery! They are already winning court cases to make sure the votes get counted.
Just because they aren't telling all of us that it's okay, go open a beer and put your feet up doesn't mean that they don't see what is described above. But why win by 10 when you can win by 50?
iemanja
(55,753 posts)I myself don't see the point of this kind of wishful thinking. As long as we win, I'm happy. I don't need to pretend it's going to be a blow out when the data indicates otherwise. I don't need or want to be coddled. I just want a win.
Blue Owl
(55,782 posts)They seem afraid of upsetting the make-up wearing, flabby, doll-handed man-baby
Turbineguy
(38,928 posts)That would be nice.
phylny
(8,719 posts)skylucy
(3,918 posts)Wild blueberry
(7,528 posts)Whole thing is well worth reading. May it be so.
Thank you.
BaronChocula
(2,621 posts)he poo-poos the polls and then proves his thesis with poll data.
He does point out what I've felt all along, mainly,
1. Dobbs would be a mover for Democrats.
2. You can't win when you lose members of your own party to the opponent which is what's happening to the rapist.
Metaphorical
(2,393 posts)Winning outright (popular vote) was never in the cards. Winning the EC was the goal, and it was, with a lot of hook and crook, achievable, but its also being undone almost faster than he can subvert the system because people are EXPECTING him to do this. A good magic trick is only effective if people don't know how it was done (and usually involved a lot of preparation), and he's become too predictable.
What he's trying to do as Plan C is to challenge the legitimacy of the election process. Even here, he's being checked because he's tried this before.
I think Harris will win. I HOPE that Harris will win by enough that it removes even the chance that he can challenge the results, but I'm also being realistic here.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Even though I know people who fit much of the criteria he mentions, I still think this is a close race because of the idiocy of many voters who SHOULD be smart enough to see thru trumps BS but still back him.
Swing states are close!!
peggysue2
(11,728 posts)Anyone losing sleep, anxious or depressed about current polling.
We're going to win this thing. And we could win it by impressive numbers.
Kamala Harris has been a great candidate. She has a stellar ground game. And President Biden, who put this into motion with a significant personal and political sacrifice, is right on the money:
She's going to make a Great President!
LAS14
(15,117 posts)G_KIA
(13 posts)Had not seen this. Thank you for posting it.
Emile
(33,758 posts)DownriverDem
(6,790 posts)The logic and points made have given me hope.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,945 posts)The media is heavily invested in having a horse race. A runaway win by either side is nowhere near as "interesting." Another way of saying it wouldn't be clickbait.