Juliette Kayyem on ballot box fire: Prosecutor should not allow bail. Big perp walk. This box is tied to swing district.

[Dennis Donovan]

Juliette Kayyem
It is going to feel like wack-a-mole for the next 7 days. Officials are being transparent about last pickup and getting word out to those who may have dropped off since then; they will allow for new ballots (that's why they are signed on the envelope to identify) for those who suspect their ballots were burned. I'm pretty confident they will find this person (too many cameras, he left explosive device behind so that will be traced). Prosecutor should not allow bail. Big perp walk. This box is tied to swing district.

Joe English
4h
KATU is live at the scene of a ballot box fire at Multnomah County Elections office. Police and Fire are investigating, say an incendiary device was put in the box to start the fire #LiveOnK2

12:13 PM · Oct 28, 2024

Link to tweet

[bullimiami]

1. Needs domestic terror charges along with destruction of property and election interference.

[Harker]

9. The target doesn't have to be a building for arson charges...

Pile it on.

[struggle4progress]

2. 18 USC 1705

Whoever willfully or maliciously injures, tears down or destroys any letter box or other receptacle intended or used for the receipt or delivery of mail on any mail route, or breaks open the same or willfully or maliciously injures, defaces or destroys any mail deposited therein, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1705

[onenote]

4. Does that cover boxes for receiving ballots that aren't USPS mail boxes?

[struggle4progress]

5. No, but destroying ballots might be a federal crime under 52 USC 10308(b)-(c)

(b) Destroying, defacing, mutilating, or altering ballots or official voting records
Whoever, within a year following an election in a political subdivision in which an observer has been assigned (1) destroys, defaces, mutilates, or otherwise alters the marking of a paper ballot which has been cast in such election, or (2) alters any official record of voting in such election tabulated from a voting machine or otherwise, shall be fined not more than $5,000, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(c) Conspiring to violate or interfere with secured rights
Whoever conspires to violate the provisions of subsection (a) or (b) of this section, or interferes with any right secured by section 10301, 10302, 10303, 10304, 10306, or 10307(a) of this title shall be fined not more than $5,000, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title52-chapter103&saved=%7CZ3JhbnVsZWlkOlVTQy1wcmVsaW0tdGl0bGU1Mi1zZWN0aW9uMTAzMDE%3D%7C%7C%7C0%7Cfalse%7Cprelim&edition=prelim

[ET Awful]

13. Charge them under section (b) and make one charge for each damaged ballot.

Seems like the logical way to treat it.

[onenote]

16. Agreed. But sadly, I could see some judge interpreting that provision as not applying.

On its face it applies to the destruction, defacement, mutilation or other alteration of the marking of a paper ballot which has been cast in an election where those actions are taken within a year following the election. While the law should be interpreted to apply to this situation on the theory that once early voting starts, the election has started and any ballots deposited in an early voting ballot box have been "cast" in that election, and therefore charges under that section should be brought, given some of the decisions I've seen involving voting, such as the recent decision holding that mailed ballots, even if postmarked before the election, can't be counted if received after election day, I wouldn't be surprised if some judge tried to interpret the provision as not applying to early ballots.

[samnsara]

3. sounds like something a Bundy would do

[jmowreader]

11. Or one of his friends who lives in Oregon

Oregon is thick with sovereign citizens and sympathizers. The entire Sovereign Citizen movement started in Oregon - Henry Beach, William Gale and Roger Elvick all started their shit in the Portland area, and Winston Shrout was from Hillsdale. From there we got people like LeRoy Schweitzer and Rodney Skurdal, who were from Montana, and Randy Weaver, who was from Idaho.

[Sogo]

6. I'd be interested to know what state this is in.

People always assume that when they mention the name of a town or county, everyone knows where that is....

[maxsolomon]

7. Oregon.

Multnomah County is where Portland is.

It also happened across the Columbia in Vancouver, Clark County, Washington, the home of the Proud Boys.

[Sogo]

8. Thank you.

[maxsolomon]

10. they need to arrest someone first, Juliette.

i won't be surprised when any CCTV footage shows a dude with his face well covered.

[LuvLoogie]

12. What if it was a cop.

Or cop adjacent.

[RJ_MacReady]

14. ballots

Must be allowed to be recast. Period.

[MannyS]

20. In both Washington and Oregon

you can check to see if your ballot was received and if not, ask for a replacement. Its unfortunate that they can't automatically send out new ballots but its impossible to know whose ballots were destroyed.

[RJ_MacReady]

21. Good to know!

Oregon and WA should use national guardsman to guard drop boxes.

[3825-87867]

15. John Yoo Treatment

Imagine if a story goes out that they arrested a person who did this but instead of locking him up, he was rendered to another country much as we did to the 9/11 suspects.
Now imagine the concern from the person who did that or someone who knows them then they realized the legal-eeze wasn't going to protect them whether the RNC or whomever would pay for lawyers. Things happen. People disappear, sometimes for a very long time.
They could hope their best scenario would be a silent trip to Guantanamo.
Just a thought.
Precedent has already been set and not questioned by the Supine Court.
And to paraphrase an old quip, "How long can you hold your breath?"

[Johnny2X2X]

17. Decades in prison

I would like to see this person get 10-20 years in prison, this has to be dealt with severely.

[Emile]

18. DonOLD's future cellmate.

[KS Toronado]

19. I'll bet when the perpetrator is found, he'll be a MAGAt