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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA Texas woman died after the hospital said it would be a crime to intervene in her miscarriage
Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling shed dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.
The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was in progress, doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.
But when Barnicas husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: They had to wait until there was no heartbeat, he told ProPublica in Spanish. It would be a crime to give her an abortion.
For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.
Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/
hlthe2b
(107,159 posts)atreides1
(16,448 posts)Not only men...women helped as well. We need to stop forgetting that women in Texas and the rest of the country supported these evil laws!
Time to quit putting this on men only!!!
hlthe2b
(107,159 posts)that was not what I said, but you need to rethink. I did not put this on men only. I put it on "mostly old ignorant white males" who legislated this. Is that YOU? I would assume NOT or you would not be posting on DU.
AND Yes, it WAS overwhelmingly old ignorant white male legislators. Overwhelmingly.
Gary 50
(401 posts)Your clarifying clause in parenthesis "mostly old white men" doesn't change the meaning of men did it. That is what you said and you need to rethink. If you said it was done mostly by men who could argue with that? Maybe that what you meant but that is not what you said.
hlthe2b
(107,159 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 30, 2024, 07:17 PM - Edit history (1)
Otherwise, this is ridiculous. Yes it IS mostly male legislators passing these bills as it has been in every state since our founding.
If you take offense at pointing out that FACT then I think you are not being realistic./honest with yourself and others. No one is accusing men on DU but your sensitivity to the truth is just beyond the pale.
Women on DU are not going to be BS(ed) about this. We have ALL LIVED IT and we have every right to tell the TRUTH.
Jerry2144
(2,651 posts)Women did this as well
ShazzieB
(19,044 posts)I honestly believe that man is every bit as sociopathic and evil as Donald Trump!
This is a major victory, Paxton said.
*snip*
When a Dallas woman asked a court for approval to end her pregnancy because her fetus was not viable and she faced health risks if she carried it to term, Paxton fought to keep her pregnant. He argued her doctor hadnt proved it was an emergency and threatened to prosecute anyone who helped her. Nothing can restore the unborn childs life that will be lost as a result, he wrote to the court.
Because fuck the woman's life, right, Ken? That man makes me sick. All that sanctimonious hand-wringing about making women suffer (and even die!) unnecessarily in the name of "saving babies" is nauseating coming from someone who can't muster even the slightest concern for the welfare of living, breathing, thinking, feeling women or their partners and families. What a hypocritical creep!
Dem4life1234
(2,040 posts)There are plenty of disgusting women who throw other women underneath the bus.
There are many vindictive women responsible for these backwards reproductive laws. Look at that idiot sitting on the SC, she's responsible.
I am so beyond pissed.
JustAnotherGen
(33,949 posts)At 18 weeks - The hospital in New Jersey intervened.
Ten years later - I'm posting this at DU.
hlthe2b
(107,159 posts)JustAnotherGen
(33,949 posts)We had several.
My husband is of the mindset that the husband's of women in Texas in distress need to start walking into the ER with handguns.
1. They are gun people down there.
And
2. He would have done it for me.
The pain of watching his wife nearly die informs his opinion. As he said: you might go to jail - but your wife will live.
sheshe2
(88,548 posts)Husbands should go in with guns because they are legal and an abortion to save a woman's life is illegal. Go figure.
JustAnotherGen
(33,949 posts)sheshe2
(88,548 posts)Heartbreaking.
W_HAMILTON
(8,593 posts)SunSeeker
(54,198 posts)MayReasonRule
(1,957 posts)Each supporter of this lawless law is guilty of crimes against humanity.
Capital crimes deserve capital punishment.
Fuck their depravity.
Doodley
(10,452 posts)4catsmom
(345 posts)or even fourth world.
Botany
(72,789 posts)Georgias Amber Thurman totally unnecessary deaths because of the reach of Christo Facsists shits
sticking their nose into what is none of their business. It would nice to see 100 million votes.
raccoon
(31,526 posts)TomSlick
(11,988 posts)According to a Texas state website, there are exceptions to the ban:
The exception seems to apply. The failure to provide appropriate care would be malpractice.
Deminpenn
(16,370 posts)who seem to me to be an unusually tough bunch.
Maru Kitteh
(29,301 posts)I'm baffled by the quiet.
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)Hekate
(95,573 posts)... now this is murder.
ecstatic
(34,569 posts)Who should be charged? The state of Texas? The hospital? The doctor? All of the above?
I'm leaning towards all of the above. Why are these hospitals and doctors following orders that kill patients? It's insane. They need to update the doctor's code of ethics or something.
KS Toronado
(19,927 posts)Elected reQublican Texas officials wrote a law so terrible doctors & hospitals are scared for their
livelihood which is now more important than their patients.
For every life that has been unnecessarily lost I hope it drives Texans to vote straight BLUE.
Jilly_in_VA
(11,249 posts)They're in charge, but mostly that smarmy worm PAXTON! He's the guilty bastard. He's the Attorney General. Charge him!
verargert
(141 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(11,249 posts)Stargazer99
(3,059 posts)It is the murdering law makers..this woman might have lived with proper care. to deny her that care is actively participating in LEGALIZED MURDER
DENVERPOPS
(10,320 posts)The doctors in these states, should all band together and file a huge class action law suit against the legislators, (by name) for practicing medicine without a license.......
tulipsandroses
(6,311 posts)Aside from the potential real legal ramifications. Just like your car insurance - malpractice insurance does not cover unlawful acts.
If you are doing donuts and speed racing and crash into someone - your auto insurance will not cover your damage, protect you from the other person suing you while the accident occurred while you were doing something illegal.
These laws were purposefully made to put fear in medical providers. Some of these laws are not clear enough about what is permissible and what is not. Every hospital has a legal department, if the legal department interprets the law to tell you that it is not permissible - then its not that simple for any medical provider to just ignore and just do what they want to. Who protects the providers? And keep in mind that we are talking about entire teams, not just a doctor, the nurses, anesthesiologists, even the low wage patient care tech checking blood pressure, required to care for the patient. Does the doctor that wants to do the procedure, despite what Greg Abbot and the hospital legal department says, force the nurses and patient care techs to join him? Does he attempt to do it all by him/herself if he can't convince those who may be scared of going to jail or being sued to join him? How does he/she convince a PCT that might be making $10 per hour to risk being sued or worse?
They have put the entire health care team in a no win situation - The fault squarely belongs with republicans who ripped away the rights of women. Health care providers are humans like the rest of us, they have children, spouses and families that depend on them. Asking them to risk their freedom, and security of their families is asking for a lot. It's the laws that need to change. Its republicans hell bent on controlling women that need to change.
When it's all said and done, there will be many women who have lost their lives. Many broken families. And yes, even broken health care providers. It's tough when you lose a patient. Its traumatic. Many providers get depressed, question themselves, even when it's not their fault. Providers are leaving states with some of these draconian laws. That puts the healthcare of all at risk. We already have a shortage of health care providers in this country. Many towns without OB GYNS, that will get worse. The maternal mortality rate will get worse. When it comes to high risk pregnancies, how many providers will want to continue to do that work?
The government and republicans need to stay out of healthcare decisions. Stop tying the hands of providers who want to provide care that patients need.
Hekate
(95,573 posts)dickthegrouch
(3,679 posts)Legislators, Governors, judges who failed to accord equal protection, even donors to campaigns. They are all complicit in this murder.
Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(1,049 posts)dchill
(40,894 posts)Solly Mack
(93,316 posts)And the woman's life is the only life that matters.
Roxi
(2,163 posts)Women do NOT matter.
Solly Mack
(93,316 posts)And a lot of people better hope women as a whole don't decide to get even. I'm on the side of getting even myself.
Roxi
(2,163 posts)There was a meme going around showing Medusa holding a mans head (either Poseidons or Perseus), with a caption warning men that theyd best hope women dont decide that its time for our own revenge.
I wish I could find that now.
Theyve underestimated us for far too long.
Solly Mack
(93,316 posts)Roxi
(2,163 posts)And if all goes well, that ends next week.
Solly Mack
(93,316 posts)Roxi
(2,163 posts)But those evil lawmakers make me wish I could give them the same pain, suffering, and death that they so gleefully force upon women.
I am so incredibly angry that this is something our country has to deal with in 2024. We should be moving forward as a civilization, not ignoring all of the medical advances weve made as a species just because people dont want to cede their power over others.
ecstatic
(34,569 posts)Texas, Georgia and the other Southern States have a chance to change this and to stand up for women. I will feel very insulted if voters stay the current course. Shame on any woman who is complicit in this carnage.
Magoo48
(5,618 posts)Should no Docs oath override laws in these cases? I think so.
bottomofthehill
(8,942 posts)Hopefully women, and the men who love them and want to see than safe will rise up and vote to remove those that have put them in harms way and further legislate the end to these foolish laws that endanger expecting mothers ( and those with Ectopic pregnancies and other realted issues). It is insane that a woman can die in a Hospital from such an easily prevented cause.
Maru Kitteh
(29,301 posts)The law is the law. The oath is a promise you make to your profession. Not the same.
tulipsandroses
(6,311 posts)You can't just do what you want when the state and your legal department says you can't.
AND if the care is not legal, then your license could be in jeopardy. I said in my post upstream., asking healthcare providers to risk their freedom and the security of their own families, is asking for a lot.
The medical community has been put in a no win situation.
I just wish these republicans would mind their business and leave health care decisions to patients and their healthcare team. And it is a team. A doctor can't just rush in to do a procedure on his own. He or she can't force nurses, PCTs, anesthesiologists, and anyone else needed to join him or her in what may be an illegal procedure.
Roxi
(2,163 posts)In most cases, if a doctor truly had a problem with performing an abortion or helping a woman deliver a dying fetus before sepsis sets in, theyd arrange for a colleague to take over.
In places like Texas, though, theres a huge legal threat holding the doctors hostage. Even if they havent yet prosecuted a doctor under their draconian laws, they could.
Even the most kind-hearted souls would balk when faced with 99 years in prison and a felony conviction, and those horrible lawmakers know that.
Until we can change the leadership of the entire country, this is only going to get worse.
Magoo48
(5,618 posts)I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of a society which respects the crazed prejudices of Christofascists over the oaths/responsibility of doctors to care for the those in need.
surfered
(4,078 posts)wolfie001
(3,911 posts)This election, if we win, will still leave our country teetering on the edge. They need to be slammed down and kicked out of all government power structures.
MarcoZandrini
(63 posts)Texass.
marble falls
(62,646 posts)marble falls
(62,646 posts)Freethinker65
(11,165 posts)This should be a crime. Standard of care practices were deliberately denied from an American citizen.
Horse with no Name
(34,087 posts)And this is why doctors are leaving the state and none are wanting to come
ecstatic
(34,569 posts)Supporters of these horrible laws won't be able to spin this death this like they spinned the deaths of Amber Nicole Thurman and Candi Miller in Georgia.
Barnica's tragic ordeal shows that it's not just women who took the abortion pill who are dying. Due to these draconian, inhumane laws, pregnant women do not have access to emergency, life saving healthcare. That's the bottom line.
Lonestarblue
(12,050 posts)I will not call them Christian anymore because they are not. Texas already had high maternal death rates. I suppose that Abbott will start suppressing those rates so voters wont know how truly bad Texas is.
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,184 posts)Taliban exoticizes their work and makes it sound like it's something that isn't American, when it very much is. Most Sharia scholars say abortion is allowable for any reason up to 120 days, which was the gestational age of this fetus, and for the health of the pregnant person at any time.
hlthe2b
(107,159 posts)one that has removed Christ's teachings (New Testament) from its teachings/beliefs to spew only Old Testament punitive messages to punish/control others. There are plenty of liberals who follow the original teachings and are appalled by today's politicized Xian fundamentalists. I can respect them.
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,184 posts)they are loving their neighbor, their "preborn neighbor," as themselves, and that warning of eternal damnation is an act of love. Some of those who preach against LGBTQ people cite Christ's teachings about a man cleaving to his wife. It goes on and on.
hlthe2b
(107,159 posts)(and no, I am not focusing on similar attempts to bastardize Islam in the name of harming others or blatant terrorism).
So, the broad brush accusations and assumptions of intent/actions--based on someone's professed religion is inherently problematic.
As many Muslims (and Jews--especially in light of Tay Sach's congenital disease) are not opposed to abortion in general, neither are many more liberal Christians--which, undoubtedly includes many here. The latter are NOTHING like the hypocritical abusive Xian fundamentalist MAGAs and I feel outrage on THEIR BEHALF at their being lumped in with them.
Stargazer99
(3,059 posts)Mariana
(15,218 posts)Are they atheists? Are they secretly followers of some other religion? What?
lark
(24,394 posts)Alito and Thomas would approve of this - it is exactly what they intended to happen. Women relegated to the role of baby providers and being killed if something goes wrong. The men there are too fucking stupid and don't care that 1 out of 3 pregnancies naturally end in miscarriage within the first 90 days - 1/3!!! It happened to me 2x before I was able to have my first child. One of them was tubal, wonder what would have happened these days with that - would I have been left to rupture and die in the state of FL - probably!
Women need to stand up and vote out all these hating assholes!!!
mahatmakanejeeves
(61,971 posts)Jeebo
(2,338 posts)In 2021 Roe v. Wade was still the law of the land. Is that date not correct?
Ron
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,184 posts)The law did not account for the possibility of a future emergency, one that could develop in hours or days without intervention, doctors told ProPublica.
Stargazer99
(3,059 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(24,184 posts)LeftInTX
(31,175 posts)We find out all this stuff too late!
dmr
(28,678 posts)This young mother could have been easily treated, sent home heartbroken from her loss.
BUT, with her loss she would go home to love and nurture her daughter, then hopefully and joyously conceive again.
Instead the damn, cruel, idiotic laws MURDERED her.
Yes! MURDER!
ck4829
(36,205 posts)Happy Hoosier
(8,604 posts)We were in our second preganancy. At 12 weeks the OB told us that the embryo was not viable. It was not growing fast enough... heartbeat very slow, some apparent abmormalities. He said there was NO chance of a viable birth. He recommended terminating due to the risk of sepsis, which he said could go from "0 to Dead" in a matter of a few days. We followed his advice. It emotionally hurt, but it as the right call.
That would be illegal in Texas. And my wife could have gotten sick and died and left me and our daughter alone.
The Republican death cult does not care.
3auld6phart
(1,331 posts)Coowardly, spineless medical staff should be charged with , at the least withmanslaughter.. Fuckingcowards .include that prick abbot and his politicians. What a fucked up country. Shame.
Stargazer99
(3,059 posts)been. It is not the doctor's fault it is the idiots that vote for these legalized killers
Liberty Belle
(9,625 posts)Seek wrongful death penalties.
Make them pay financially for this evil action, and perhaps they'll think twice before letting more women die.
claudette
(4,762 posts)I pray they - and Dump - rot in hell for killing this woman.
Demsrule86
(71,036 posts)We had moved from PA to Georgia...I was unexpectedly pregnant. I had a full term pregnancy loss in PA (caught food poisoning) and several miscarriages that resulted in the need for a D&C...I bleed and am prone to infection. I accidentally chose a 'pro-life' doctor. I didn't know. And I miscarried. I was bleeding pretty badly. But was told I had to 'wait until the hormone level came back to make sure the baby was gone'. The ultrasound clearly showed no baby. dropping hormone rates can take weeks by the way. I didn't know that. Anyway a couple days after it started, I felt awful horrible cramps, fever and bleeding quite a bit.
I went to the doctors office and the nurse basically sneered at me and sent me away. That evening I hemorrhaged in my kitchen. I had a104 degree fever. I had three young kids. My six year old ran to our neighbors who took one look at me and got her husband to carry me to her car. couldn't walk and was in and out of consciousness. They drove me to the hospital. Georgia has terrible traffic and it was quicker than calling for an ambulance. After I arrived my so called doctor put me in a room, no IV and no call button. He did nothing. Still waiting for the hormone levels I guess. My husband was out of town. He had gotten on a plane in the morning to came home...he was worried. He went directly to the hospital and found me laying in a huge pool of blood... dripping on the floor. I was unconscious. But bleeding to death is painful as is infection. And I knew I was dying on some level.
Hubs screamed bloody murder fired the doctor and a young resident saved my life. I was treated with massive doses of antibiotics and I needed huge transfusions and platelets...three weeks in the hospital on the maternity floor followed. It took me a year to recover physically and mentally. I was left infertile and while we hadn't planned more kids that should have been my choice. To this day, I hate the doctor and the nurse. They didn't give a damn about me I hope there is a hell so they can both burn for eternity. Roe was more than abortion, it was health care and I know I would have died in this environment.
pfitz59
(11,084 posts)My dad was a small-town doctor (pre-Roe). He was prominent in our church and arranged many adoptions for 'unwanted' pregnancies. He took his Hippocratic oath seriously and was the 'go to' doctor for women such as yourself. He was known to 'lose the paperwork' on occasion as abortion was illegal. He saved many women who had miscarried or suffered botched abortions. He was a large man and had taken doctors such as your butcher 'to the woodshed' for such actions.
Demsrule86
(71,036 posts)that Roe represented health care. I had always as many women did assumed that no one would ever want to kill women. I underestimated the evil of the right. My OBGYN seemed so nice but he was a monster who almost caused my death. I probably should have let go of my hatred of him and his bitch nurse but I never could. I try not to dwell on it. And working to end this before more women die has helped.
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Demsrule86
(71,036 posts)Mother's.
Stargazer99
(3,059 posts)Demsrule86
(71,036 posts)TommieMommy
(1,316 posts)This makes me angry and sad what is happening
Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(1,049 posts)being interviewed he was asked if he thought black men werent voting for Kamala because shes a woman. He replied Im married, theres no way Ill answer that question. The interviewer persisted and got him to admit hed heard other black men say they felt that way. Then he mentioned that his wife ran the household and it was like a lightbulb went off in his head and he said, that if women can run household theres no reason they can run the country. It was comical how you saw him work that out right there on TV. 😂
Ironically, women would probably get a whole lot more done then men who always seem to put their pride first. They cant stand having their pride hurt! We should turn our congressional representatives ALL women. Through the men out of office and take over. Women are more concerned about their family & children than themselves; theyd get lots of shit done.
Power to the women!!!!
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,064 posts)The patriarchy is deadly, also on so many levels.
Gary 50
(401 posts)Trump killed half a million with his lies and incompetence about covid. The ending of the ban on assault weapons has killed how many? And now they are killing women with laws prohibiting giving health care to dying women. Trump and his fascist party are a death cult. How do these monsters sleep at night? Like babies. Psychopaths have no conscience.
dalton99a
(85,163 posts)verargert
(141 posts)4catsmom
(345 posts)and I'd get the hell out of Texas if I were pregnant
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,628 posts)Clouds Passing
(3,095 posts)I am so sorry for the trauma and suffering you endured at the hands of immoral harmful hateful legislators and judges who took your life. I am sorry to your loved ones who had to endure such a horror, your loss and the loss of your beloved child to be.
I don't know how doctors and nurses can even continue to practice in these heinously murderous states. Leave now, there are personnel shortages in many free states so you shouldnt have a hard time finding a good job.
1/3 of women in the USA now live in slave states. Make no mistake, taking away a womans right to her own healthcare IS slavery, period!
First they came for the women
calimary
(84,805 posts)THANKS A FUCKIN LOT, GOP.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)The GOP claims there are exceptions so MAKE the hospitals defend these terrible decisions or make the govt admit there ARENT any exemptions
Montauk6
(8,797 posts)"May The Lord Open"
This is what these sick bastards are hoping for. Plus, she was a Honduras immigrant, so you won't see TSF's shedding any tears given their penchant for viewing immigrants as less than.
MALLOY friggin' 3:16!!!! (smh)
niyad
(121,043 posts)receive everything they deserve.
soldierant
(8,075 posts)-- too many I might add -- in every electin. By and liarge they are brainwashed - so brainwashed they are misogynists themselves.Can we all agree that it is misogynists to blame for this? Misogynists, of whom many, maybe most, but by no means all, are men? And then just leave the gender out?
pansypoo53219
(21,829 posts)electric_blue68
(19,113 posts)And depending on how politics turn out all the rest of child bearing age women could lose their freedom if a national abortion ban was enacted!
I've always said a woman who can't chose when, or if to have a child/children is not free.
This particular tragedy seems to hit me harder when I read this mother said all she wanted for her daughter was to have a sister.
I only have a younger sister. We love, and like each other. We have had many decades of get togthers, and times going out.
Last year w a freak medical thing she ended up with sepsis, and made it through. I didn't know she actually had it (she might not have know either) till after, I was afraid of her getting it.
And now Josseli's daughter doesn't have a sister, she's lost her mother, too. Arrrgggg!
eShirl
(18,902 posts)Mission accomplished.