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CATagious

(287 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 05:31 AM Oct 31

Mika just now brought to tears...

Talking about the young woman in Texas that died from an infection after a miscarriage because the doctors said it would be a crime to save her life. As a man, that hit me pretty hard.

Protector of women, my ass.

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Mika just now brought to tears... (Original Post) CATagious Oct 31 OP
Women are things to use just like workers-the "pro life" attitude of the wealthy Republican Stargazer99 Oct 31 #1
And they want to lay off pregnant workers, too Tweedy Oct 31 #26
Saw that... PCIntern Oct 31 #2
They really don't ailsagirl Oct 31 #7
Meanwhile in the real world Tweedy Oct 31 #28
That one-third number for miscarriages is not likely to be accurate. summer_in_TX Oct 31 #45
This is why I said "at least" Tweedy Nov 2 #48
Meanwhile in the real world Tweedy Oct 31 #29
We had three miscarriages out of four pregnancies central scrutinizer Oct 31 #38
I wish I had better words. Tweedy Nov 2 #47
The Texas Republicans are nothing less than pure evil women haters LymphocyteLover Oct 31 #3
Women, LGBTIQA, POC, DISABLED, Etc. etc OhioBack2Blue Oct 31 #19
We need to face it any government run by Republicans is toxic. gordianot Oct 31 #4
If this doesn't enigmania Oct 31 #5
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Oct 31 #6
Those Texas hospitals that adhere to Texas's draconian abortion laws should LifeFlight pregnant women in emergency LaMouffette Oct 31 #8
Okay, I couldn't figure out how to self-delete my post, so I'm editing it! LaMouffette Oct 31 #9
To self-delete, use the "powers" button on the lower left. nt Wednesdays Oct 31 #13
Thank you! LaMouffette Nov 2 #46
Even if they do that dsc Oct 31 #12
The way the law is written Horse with no Name Oct 31 #43
Josseli Barnica is going to the polls along with Amber Thurman is and has been going to the polls w/ millions of women.... Botany Oct 31 #10
I hope the family sues for negligent homicide. Joinfortmill Oct 31 #11
I've heard many people (here in Florida) say stupid, nasty stuff like.. chouchou Oct 31 #14
That is roughly what I was going to post. GopherGal Oct 31 #16
What's truly strange is, sometimes the so-called Christians are much crueler .... chouchou Oct 31 #17
She was married, yet she isn't supposed to have sex. Ilsa Oct 31 #18
Listen, one of the first women survivors to become an activist is blond, blond, blond: Amanda Zurawski Hekate Oct 31 #23
I know, and I'm not talking about the medical staff. Ilsa Oct 31 #30
But she has failed in her (sole) purpose... GopherGal Oct 31 #25
That is bdamomma Oct 31 #40
The only criminal is the doctor who made no effort to save her life FakeNoose Oct 31 #15
You don't get it. Politicians have taken the decisions out of doctors' hands. Punishment includes... Hekate Oct 31 #21
Punishing bdamomma Oct 31 #42
Forcing doctors to leave the profession & the state, when all they wanted was to practice medicine... Hekate Oct 31 #44
Hekate is spot-on. The forced-birthers Ilsa Oct 31 #32
I'm an Atheist and even I know what Christ would do. mjvpi Oct 31 #20
Mika's going strong on this and filling the show with other women leaders in our party and in the media. CTyankee Oct 31 #22
"Women seem wicked when your're unwanted" Prairie_Seagull Oct 31 #24
Welcome to DU, CATagious! calimary Oct 31 #27
Beware the grifter. ffr Oct 31 #31
She left behind a husband and a child. BradBo Oct 31 #33
video at mediate. progressoid Oct 31 #34
they are muderers 4catsmom Oct 31 #35
well said. Evolve Dammit Oct 31 #36
Fathers and daughters. Jakes Progress Oct 31 #37
This is heartbreaking and bdamomma Oct 31 #39
Next week musclecar6 Oct 31 #41

ailsagirl

(23,896 posts)
7. They really don't
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 06:52 AM
Oct 31

I saw a comment on a YouTube video that featured a Kamala Harris rally that referred to Dems as "baby killers."

Those people are so far gone, it really frightens me. 😖

Tweedy

(1,231 posts)
28. Meanwhile in the real world
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 12:06 PM
Oct 31

At least one-third of pregnancies end in miscarriage and not because the pregnant person did anything wrong. So, these people who claim democrats are baby killers are truly furious with God.

Because you see if life begins at conception or when the fetus’s cells start sending an electrical charge* and one-third of those fetus’s don’t make it to birth, that makes God one heck of a serial killer. Procreation, its risks and its natural failures are simply too much for some people.

Other so-called pro-lifers simply want to witness women and their families suffering.

summer_in_TX

(3,320 posts)
45. That one-third number for miscarriages is not likely to be accurate.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 09:26 PM
Oct 31

The Mayo Clinic says, "About 10% to 20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is likely higher. This is because many miscarriages happen early on, before people realize they're pregnant."

Tweedy

(1,231 posts)
48. This is why I said "at least"
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:54 PM
Nov 2

The number is no doubt higher since miscarriages can and do happen when women have no notion they are pregnant.

Meanwhile too many in the GOP want to treat miscarriage as a crime when nobody can say why most of them occur.

Tweedy

(1,231 posts)
29. Meanwhile in the real world
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 12:06 PM
Oct 31

At least one-third of pregnancies end in miscarriage and not because the pregnant person did anything wrong. So, these people who claim democrats are baby killers are truly furious with God.

Because you see if life begins at conception or when the fetus’s cells start sending an electrical charge* and one-third of those fetus’s don’t make it to birth, that makes God one heck of a serial killer. Procreation, its risks and its natural failures are simply too much for some people.

Other so-called pro-lifers simply want to witness women and their families suffering.

central scrutinizer

(12,441 posts)
38. We had three miscarriages out of four pregnancies
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 05:17 PM
Oct 31

Two before our daughter, one after. D&C after each one for safety. That was enough for us - vasectomy.

OhioBack2Blue

(34 posts)
19. Women, LGBTIQA, POC, DISABLED, Etc. etc
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 08:39 AM
Oct 31

From their perspective: Violence to women, children, LGBTIQA, POC, DISABLED, poor, etc. etc. etc. are just a means to the end.

The transactional sociopaths are laser locked on the ends (unbridled power and money). They don't care or think about the carnage on their way to unbridled power and money. Eventually it will eat them alive as well. The question is when?

I SAW NOW!

gordianot

(15,538 posts)
4. We need to face it any government run by Republicans is toxic.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 06:32 AM
Oct 31

Especially for those in childbearing years.

LaMouffette

(2,299 posts)
8. Those Texas hospitals that adhere to Texas's draconian abortion laws should LifeFlight pregnant women in emergency
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 06:56 AM
Oct 31

situations to the nearest state that provides abortion care. But, of course, they have probably made transporting a pregnant and dying woman across state lines illegal, too.

Damn them all to hell.

LaMouffette

(2,299 posts)
9. Okay, I couldn't figure out how to self-delete my post, so I'm editing it!
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 07:00 AM
Oct 31

I wouldn't want my previous post to give any unstable person ideas.

dsc

(52,708 posts)
12. Even if they do that
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 07:55 AM
Oct 31

the flight alone would be both dangerous and very costly. I can't imagine them having less than 1 million as a total bill.

Horse with no Name

(34,079 posts)
43. The way the law is written
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 06:16 PM
Oct 31

They would be aiding in an abortion and could be sued and prosecuted

Botany

(72,717 posts)
10. Josseli Barnica is going to the polls along with Amber Thurman is and has been going to the polls w/ millions of women....
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 07:28 AM
Oct 31

…. this year. They were murdered by the Christo Fascist republicans.


Thanx to DUer SF for posting this.

A Texas woman died after the hospital said it would be a crime to intervene in her miscarriage

Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.



https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/

chouchou

(1,470 posts)
14. I've heard many people (here in Florida) say stupid, nasty stuff like..
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 08:08 AM
Oct 31

"If she can't keep her legs close, she deserves a lot of trouble" .."Maybe a baby will make her not be so careless"
(I wanted to slap THAT asshole's face) Grrrrr

GopherGal

(2,401 posts)
16. That is roughly what I was going to post.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 08:21 AM
Oct 31

Last edited Thu Oct 31, 2024, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

:It's her own fault for ...."
Something.

Having sex?

Walking alone at night
Dressing that way
Distracting the boys by showing her shoulders

Eve.

The Supreme Court for allowing some bigoted christofascists in the "Lege" to overrule trained and certified gynecologists.

chouchou

(1,470 posts)
17. What's truly strange is, sometimes the so-called Christians are much crueler ....
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 08:29 AM
Oct 31

...than even a pack of hard core street thugs!

Ilsa

(62,299 posts)
18. She was married, yet she isn't supposed to have sex.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 08:35 AM
Oct 31

And she was a mother of a very young child.

I wonder if their opinion of her would change if she had been blonde, blue-eyed, and pale-skinned.

Hekate

(95,459 posts)
23. Listen, one of the first women survivors to become an activist is blond, blond, blond: Amanda Zurawski
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 11:37 AM
Oct 31
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/health/abortion-texas-sepsis/index.html

She got pregnant after a year and a half of fertility treatments, miscarried at 18 weeks: cervix fully dilated, amniotic fluid gone, absolutely no survival chance for the fetus but it supposedly had a heartbeat — and docs said they could not legally surgically remove the remains until she was closer to death herself. She got sepsis and yes, almost died. Now she can’t have children at all. Now she is an activist against these deadly laws.

The color line is real, though. Among women who die of pregnancy-related complications in some red states, white women die at 3X the national average — and Black women die at 6X the national average.


Ilsa

(62,299 posts)
30. I know, and I'm not talking about the medical staff.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 12:07 PM
Oct 31

I'm talking about the people who think they know everything about pregnancy and women's bodies. People who think that since childbirth is a natural event, nothing would go wrong unless the mother did something wrong, or God is punishing them, or some other ugly nonsense. It doesn't have to be appearance, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a factor in the thought process of some forced-birthers.

GopherGal

(2,401 posts)
25. But she has failed in her (sole) purpose...
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 11:57 AM
Oct 31

to produce more male heirs to serve as workers/soldiers in their movement.
So she now has no value and is disposable.

FakeNoose

(36,066 posts)
15. The only criminal is the doctor who made no effort to save her life
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 08:21 AM
Oct 31

That doctor should lose his/her license, and probably face criminal charges.
That's what would happen in Pennsylvania or any state where sanity prevails.

Yes women sometimes die in childbirth, but this is straight negligence!

Hekate

(95,459 posts)
21. You don't get it. Politicians have taken the decisions out of doctors' hands. Punishment includes...
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 11:20 AM
Oct 31

… (depending on the state) 99 years in prison, huge fines, loss of medical license. Politicians with zero medical training and zero compassion who make laws have forced hospitals and doctors to call their lawyers first, and still pray nobody rats them out to the cops for “killing a baby.”

Hekate

(95,459 posts)
44. Forcing doctors to leave the profession & the state, when all they wanted was to practice medicine...
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 06:48 PM
Oct 31

…and save women’s lives.

Ilsa

(62,299 posts)
32. Hekate is spot-on. The forced-birthers
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 12:11 PM
Oct 31

believe they are experts because they managed to get someone pregnant. They don't care about consequences to the patient or doctor, or even the communities that are losing OBs and women's clinics.

CTyankee

(65,362 posts)
22. Mika's going strong on this and filling the show with other women leaders in our party and in the media.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 11:28 AM
Oct 31

Much as I think she looks like a vanilla milkshake, I appreciate her using her celebrity to advance women in the media and in politics.

ffr

(23,135 posts)
31. Beware the grifter.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 12:09 PM
Oct 31

His snake oil sarsaparilla sales tactics are designed only to profit off the gullible.

BradBo

(678 posts)
33. She left behind a husband and a child.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 01:04 PM
Oct 31

Trump and Roberts and all their evil sidekicks need to go.

Jakes Progress

(11,183 posts)
37. Fathers and daughters.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 04:48 PM
Oct 31

We need to tell those magat men that if their 12 year old daughter is raped in Texas, they will be forced to carry the fetus to term. You will be powerless to help her or to end her pain and suffering. You have given your daughter's life to greg abbot and ted cruz.

bdamomma

(66,759 posts)
39. This is heartbreaking and
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 05:23 PM
Oct 31

disgusting. Is this 2024?????? It's not 1824. WTF!!!!

Young women dying during childbirth. This is not America.

VOTE ALL BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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