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WarGamer

(15,061 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:05 PM Saturday

big BIG BREAKING NEWS... IOWA: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day 47-44

This is BIG... if accurate.

Losing Iowa would signal a BIG election night thumping for Trump.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/

Iowa Poll: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day. Here's how

Kamala Harris now leads Donald Trump in Iowa — a startling reversal for Democrats and Republicans who have all but written off the state’s presidential contest as a certain Trump victory.

A new Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows Vice President Harris leading former President Trump 47% to 44% among likely voters just days before a high-stakes election that appears deadlocked in key battleground states.

The results follow a September Iowa Poll that showed Trump with a 4-point lead over Harris and a June Iowa Poll showing him with an 18-point lead over Democratic President Joe Biden, who was the presumed Democratic nominee at the time.


Who said we're not going to have a winner Tuesday night?????
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big BIG BREAKING NEWS... IOWA: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day 47-44 (Original Post) WarGamer Saturday OP
That's the gold standard in Iowa. RandySF Saturday #1
indeed it is. WarGamer Saturday #3
Selzer's been an outlier before Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #49
Great news! senseandsensibility Saturday #2
Now THAT would be something. Fiendish Thingy Saturday #4
If he is trying to hold on to Iowa at this point newdeal2 Saturday #6
I better get some Martinelli's to chill for Tuesday...nt Fiendish Thingy Saturday #9
Drumph just filled his diaper Tribetime Saturday #10
With only two days left to campaign.... calguy Saturday #44
A great start !! C_U_L8R Saturday #5
Holy shit 400 EV is possible Tribetime Saturday #7
WOW!! Hope this is true!! bluestarone Saturday #8
Loved this sentence....... a kennedy Saturday #11
Obama did it in 2008! 50 Shades Of Blue Saturday #12
WOW!! This is J. Ann Selzer's poll, arguably the best pollster. onetexan Saturday #13
Good to Know, onetexan.. Cha Saturday #59
Doesn't it? I believe Kamala will win all 7 swing states, and then some! onetexan Yesterday #67
I Surely Hope So!. with All my Heart and Soul! 🕊️🕯️💙🌊🌊🌊💙🇺🇸🌈 Cha 23 hrs ago #78
Remember - Iowa was the 4th state to recognize same gender marriages. Ms. Toad Saturday #14
I just heard about this. Quiet Em Saturday #15
I always knew Iowa was winnable. clutterbox1830 Saturday #16
Ohio is possible now too.... and Florida and Texas Tribetime Saturday #18
I agree although clutterbox1830 Saturday #23
Lets hope those thunderstorms end early. LisaL Saturday #37
There was a recent poll showing her doing well in Kansas Sky Jewels Saturday #17
Please, oh please, be true. Music Man Saturday #19
This tweet from the chair of the Iowa GOP aged horribly in under two hours: demmiblue Saturday #20
damn... WarGamer Saturday #21
... Nevilledog Saturday #22
FUCKING LOVE THIS AKwannabe Saturday #42
Emerson has Trump by 10 in Iowa today. Their methodology must be completely different? Quixote1818 Saturday #24
they say the person behind the DMR poll, Ann Selzer... is basically never wrong. WarGamer Saturday #27
Yeah, it's A+ rated and their track record is pretty flawless from what I am seeing. nt Quixote1818 Saturday #28
flawless is over the top iin my opinion Tetrachloride Saturday #31
Mr. Spock agrees. nt BootinUp Saturday #52
This is why I might be able to sleep MadameButterfly Yesterday #66
Emerson has been bullish on Trump this entire Deminpenn Saturday #53
Emerson is one of the polls Simon Rosenberg warned us about Qutzupalotl Yesterday #72
Emerson isn't a partisan pollster, but Deminpenn Yesterday #74
Selzer, the Des Moines Register pollster on MSNBC mchill Saturday #60
That's a big one. I'm hoping for my country that we see lots of similar surprises on Tuesday. That, and not... NNadir Saturday #25
K&R spanone Saturday #26
Wow Tweedy Saturday #29
This would suggest we take House and expand Senate Tribetime Saturday #30
Oh, please make it come true! 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞 wordstroken Saturday #32
Landslide, anyone? Even a small landslide? usonian Saturday #33
I'm very optimistic, but I don't want to use the "L" word yet FakeNoose Saturday #38
Yes, the big W. usonian Saturday #43
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World! FakeNoose Saturday #45
OMG!!! Sogo Saturday #34
Down ballot races Strelnikov_ Saturday #35
Lets go!!! nt LexVegas Saturday #36
This poll could be off by 10 points liberalmuse Saturday #39
right! It could be off 8 and... jcgoldie Saturday #47
Tim Miller on The Bulwark ibegurpard Saturday #56
Yah, was just watching Kyle Kulinkski's commentary on it... ThePartyThatListens Saturday #40
If this poll is accurate and if Iowa voters' behavior follows the polls Vogon_Glory Saturday #41
Or maybe Walz as VP giving the ticket a Midwestern sensibility. Music Man Saturday #46
:-) Lemon Lyman Saturday #48
Fantastic if true, it also could be an outlier 0rganism Saturday #50
Could 2024 Iowa be 2008's Indiana? ibegurpard Saturday #51
According to Ann Selzer, women (white) are responsible for this, especially those over 65 who vote in greater numbers... AntiFascist Saturday #54
An Idea Florida Dem Saturday #55
HOPEFULLY It's Absolutely 💯 Cha Saturday #57
Tim Miller interviewed Ann Seltzer Deminpenn Saturday #58
;-) Lemon Lyman Saturday #61
Match's my observations as well Strelnikov_ Yesterday #70
There are Trumpers around me who had signs in 2016, Deminpenn Yesterday #75
The only pollster to correctly predict Obama's victory dalton99a Saturday #62
Well this is a Holy Shit moment! NBachers Saturday #63
Just like old times? Zambero Saturday #64
Are you feeling it yet?? peggysue2 Saturday #65
I wonder how many red states are going blue. Emile Yesterday #68
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #69
Iowa voted Obama twice . . . and then Trump twice. And you think there isn't something satanic going on? hawkeye21 Yesterday #71
Someone posted that Iowa has been hit hard by the Abortion bans Thrill Yesterday #73
Lack of obgyn's hits women of all ages... seniors included getagrip_already Yesterday #76
Mr. Bayard is from Iowa, and has relatives there Bayard Yesterday #77

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,787 posts)
49. Selzer's been an outlier before
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:15 PM
Saturday

🔵2012: D+5 (D+6)
🔴2016: R+7 (R+9)
🔴2020: R+7 (R+8)
🔵2024: D+3 (?)

Here's 2014 Senate race. At the end Selzer is the only outlier and the closest:

Fiendish Thingy

(18,088 posts)
4. Now THAT would be something.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:09 PM
Saturday

Normally I would scoff at such predictions, but the DMR poll is considered the gold standard (far above those “A+++rated!” Polls others rave about), so even with a 3 point margin that is probably within the MOE, we just might have a chance there.

If Trump suddenly books a rally in Iowa, then we’ll know we have a serious chance.

calguy

(5,735 posts)
44. With only two days left to campaign....
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:41 PM
Saturday

I'd say it's too late to schedule a rally in Iowa. It's all over at this point except for a couple last rallies.

a kennedy

(31,880 posts)
11. Loved this sentence.......
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:13 PM
Saturday

“Trump continues to lead with his core base of support: men, evangelicals, rural residents and those without a college degree.”

Nuff said......ugh....

Cha

(304,663 posts)
59. Good to Know, onetexan..
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:41 PM
Saturday

Geeze Louise. .. It feels Surreal right now!

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Cha

(304,663 posts)
78. I Surely Hope So!. with All my Heart and Soul! 🕊️🕯️💙🌊🌊🌊💙🇺🇸🌈
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 03:36 PM
23 hrs ago

Ms. Toad

(35,414 posts)
14. Remember - Iowa was the 4th state to recognize same gender marriages.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:18 PM
Saturday

It is conservative, but in a more Minnesota way of being conservative, than the Texas or Florida are conservative. Trump's recent antics would not go over well there.

clutterbox1830

(447 posts)
16. I always knew Iowa was winnable.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:20 PM
Saturday

At least more then other swing states. It is not as conservative than people think. Obama won the state easily compared to FL or OH

clutterbox1830

(447 posts)
23. I agree although
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:34 PM
Saturday

I'm not sure about TX this election. Voting suppression is higher there. Also, Houston is expected heavy t-storms in the morning and afternoon.

Sky Jewels

(8,781 posts)
17. There was a recent poll showing her doing well in Kansas
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:20 PM
Saturday

and another showing her having a massive lead in NH. Another poll showed Trump up only 3 in Ohio. As many have suspected, we’ve likely been sold a bullshit narrative about the state of this race being “extremely close.”

Music Man

(1,574 posts)
19. Please, oh please, be true.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:24 PM
Saturday

There was an Emerson College poll released today that showed Trump up 10 in Iowa: https://emersoncollegepolling.com/november-2024-iowa-poll-trump-53-harris-43/ Both polls can't be accurate, so we'll see on Tuesday. I hope we can put in the work in Iowa these next few days and make it the surprise of the season.

Nevilledog

(53,155 posts)
22. ...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:32 PM
Saturday




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Final Selzer poll findings (and the actual result)

2022 Senate: R+12 (R+12)
2020 President: R+7 (R+8)
2020 Senate: R+4 (R+7)
2018 Governor: D+2 (R+3)
2016 President: R+7 (R+9)
2014 Senate: R+7 (R+8)
2012 President: D+5 (D+6)

About as good as any pollster gets.

WarGamer

(15,061 posts)
27. they say the person behind the DMR poll, Ann Selzer... is basically never wrong.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:48 PM
Saturday

hey had Trump +18 over Biden... and Trump +4 over Harris in Sept.

H+3 today.

I think it's real.

MadameButterfly

(1,520 posts)
66. This is why I might be able to sleep
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 04:07 AM
Yesterday

before the election. The first indication that the flawless Kamala campaign and despicable Trump campaign are getting through to voters.
In past times we could count on it, Trump does 10 things a day that would end any other career. But I'd lost hope that anything he could do would have an impact. But maybe Trump has finally reached lows sufficient to lose

Kamala has been brilliant beyond my expectations and we couldn't hope for more. It's encouraging to think it might have hit it's mark.

If we get Iowa, the election is won. Even if we don't get Iowa, if things are trending this way, the election is won.

Deminpenn

(16,171 posts)
53. Emerson has been bullish on Trump this entire
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:24 PM
Saturday

cycle. I think there is something funky with their LV model.

Qutzupalotl

(15,053 posts)
72. Emerson is one of the polls Simon Rosenberg warned us about
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 10:36 AM
Yesterday

when he said the right was flooding the zone with favorable (and mostly RW-sponsored) polls this cycle to game the averages. They have had a good track record in the past, but … things change.

Deminpenn

(16,171 posts)
74. Emerson isn't a partisan pollster, but
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 10:51 AM
Yesterday

I suspect they are modeling on 2016 and 2020 meaning trying to capture "hidden" Trump voters. In 2016, Trump was shiny and new and had a lot of people believing the made up TV world of "The Apprentice". In 2020, although Trump did get more voters, his crazy and chaotic administration was fresh in voter's minds and voters rejected him. Now Trump is pretty much yesterday's news and Harris is the new, fresh face despite being VP for the last 4 years. Jmo, but pollsters aren't recognizing that in their LV models.

mchill

(1,074 posts)
60. Selzer, the Des Moines Register pollster on MSNBC
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:41 PM
Saturday

The 6 week abortion ban went into effect this last summer and Iowans are starting to see the consequences. Also, Trump lost no actual ground since Sept—same number of voters, but the size of the actual voter pool increased and most of those respondents went to Kamala Harris.

She also notes neither candidate gets to 50% so still some swing left for voting day. Most importantly, she said that polls deciding that they know what the future electorate looks like maybe basing it Donald Trump on past electorate (explaining the Emerson poll you mention) which would overly favor the previous winner.

NNadir

(34,499 posts)
25. That's a big one. I'm hoping for my country that we see lots of similar surprises on Tuesday. That, and not...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:46 PM
Saturday

...the asshole, will demonstrate America's greatness.

FakeNoose

(35,409 posts)
38. I'm very optimistic, but I don't want to use the "L" word yet
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:33 PM
Saturday

Kamala and Tim will have a definitive win. Chump and Vance will be shown the door.

Strelnikov_

(7,791 posts)
35. Down ballot races
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:12 PM
Saturday

Last poll I saw had 2 of the 4 Congress seats competitive, with the R leading in these two similar to the Orange One (4%). With the 7% swing to Harris in the current poll for POTUS . . .

liberalmuse

(18,874 posts)
39. This poll could be off by 10 points
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:33 PM
Saturday

And it would still be great for Harris. I never in my wildest dreams thought Harris would be at +3. My hope was it would be only Trump +6. Any lower seemed like a pipe dream. Biden won the EC at Trump +8 in this poll. Does this mean she will win Iowa? Maybe, maybe not, but it’s a great indicator of how the Midwest will likely vote. This pollster is probably THE best pollster for her neck of the woods.

ibegurpard

(16,838 posts)
56. Tim Miller on The Bulwark
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:30 PM
Saturday

Was ecstatic when he misread it as Trump +3. They were gobsmacked just now and couldn't stop smiling.

Vogon_Glory

(9,478 posts)
41. If this poll is accurate and if Iowa voters' behavior follows the polls
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:35 PM
Saturday

the Good Guys might not have to sweat losing Nevada to Donald John.

I don’t know enough about Iowa to account for the swing. I’d like to think I have a reason, though. My impression is that Iowans are rather square (Which is why right-wingers have been able to use gays and abortion as hot-button issues to bash Democrats). Maybe, just maybe, enough Iowans have decided that they’re so disgusted with Donald John’s potty mouth and behavior that they’d sooner vote for Kamala than feel like they’ve waded through liquid sleaze by voting for what’s-his-name. And the latest leak about Donald John’s visit to Jeffrey Epstein’s island isn’t going to impress Iowa’s non-Incels.

Lemon Lyman

(1,470 posts)
48. :-)
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:11 PM
Saturday

Good for Ralph Newbanks from Solon!

Ralph Newbanks, a 63-year-old poll respondent from Solon, said he is a lifelong Republican who plans to vote for Harris this year.

“It's not what I like about her, it's what I dislike about Trump,” he said. “Since 2020 and the Capitol riots, I couldn't vote for Trump if he paid me, not for love nor money.”

He thought about casting a ballot for a third-party candidate, but he didn’t want to lodge a protest vote. He wants to make sure Trump doesn’t return to the White House.

“To me, the biggest part of democracy is the ability to compromise,” he said. “And with Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, there is no compromise, even within their own party.”

0rganism

(24,556 posts)
50. Fantastic if true, it also could be an outlier
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:15 PM
Saturday

Either way, we'll have actual results to compare in a few days

ibegurpard

(16,838 posts)
51. Could 2024 Iowa be 2008's Indiana?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:21 PM
Saturday

That would be something. I still don't think she's winning Iowa but it shows movement and confirms the gender gap we're hearing about.
Please let it be so.

AntiFascist

(12,848 posts)
54. According to Ann Selzer, women (white) are responsible for this, especially those over 65 who vote in greater numbers...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:25 PM
Saturday

and this thinking might be extended to other battleground states.

Florida Dem

(31 posts)
55. An Idea
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:28 PM
Saturday

I wonder if Waltz or Harris shouldn't squeeze in a quick rally in Des Moines before election day just to f@ with the orange turd's head and make him double diaper.

Cha

(304,663 posts)
57. HOPEFULLY It's Absolutely 💯
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:32 PM
Saturday

On Target 🎯 TY!

🕯️🕊️🇺🇸💙🌊🌊🇺🇸🌈🌊💙🌊

Deminpenn

(16,171 posts)
58. Tim Miller interviewed Ann Seltzer
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:39 PM
Saturday

on his podcast when her poll showing Harris within 6 came out. He thought then that those results were .a big deal .

Lemon Lyman

(1,470 posts)
61. ;-)
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:43 PM
Saturday

It’s anecdotal, but here’s something I’ve noticed.

There’s a big-time R supporter who lives just South of Dubuque. It’s a married couple who have a beautiful home. They have $$. They’re big time enough to get R presidential candidates to come to their house for fundraisers. Back in 2010’ish they had one for Santorum. This year they had one for Burgham. They always have all the R candidate signs on their property. In the past 2 presidential election cycles they had a Tangeranus sign. This year they don’t.

There are WAY fewer Tangeranus signs everywhere in Eastern IA this cycle than there were in past elections. Maybe these people are still voting for him, just embarrassed to admit it. Maybe they’re not voting for him this time (they’ve had enough). Hopefully it’s the latter.

Strelnikov_

(7,791 posts)
70. Match's my observations as well
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 09:53 AM
Yesterday

Other than the ‘shrines’, not nearly as many Orange One signs as past elections.

Did see a farmstead, Bremer or Chickasaw, up there somewhere, that had a three sign sequence, probably 4’ x 8’ signs (sub shrine class, no flags).

Orange one > Pat Grassley > and a homemade “Stop Dangerous Carbon Pipelines”

Bit of a head scratcher, that last one.

Deminpenn

(16,171 posts)
75. There are Trumpers around me who had signs in 2016,
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 10:59 AM
Yesterday

then nothing in 2020, presumably out of embarrassment, right up until relatively recently when the Trump signs and flags came out. So I think whatever shame these Trumpers felt in 2020 no longer exists. They must figure enough time has passed since 2016.

Zambero

(9,689 posts)
64. Just like old times?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:10 PM
Saturday

I recall when a majority of Iowa voters went for Dukakis back in '88 when Bush won 54-46 in the national popular vote. A return to sanity in those parts would be most welcome!

Response to WarGamer (Original post)

hawkeye21

(201 posts)
71. Iowa voted Obama twice . . . and then Trump twice. And you think there isn't something satanic going on?
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 09:58 AM
Yesterday

As an Iowan, it has been beyond embarrassing to see the state go from a socially progressive, politically moderate state to a gung-ho MAGA haven. For the last decade, I haven't been able to stand being around anyone I don't know because I assume they are MAGA. For a state like Iowa to be sucked into this cult, there has to be some extraordinary power at work. Iowa has had great governors of both parties: Democrat and one-time truck diver Harold Hughes to name one, and long-time Republican Gov. Robert D. Ray for another. Both were decent, honorable people who were widely respected across the political spectrum. But now Iowa has a horrible MAGA governor and a miserable MAGA legislature that's defunding its once outstanding public schools and supporting private, "religious" schools instead, and banning books and abortion, among other MAGA mischief.

So if Iowa actually does regain its senses and goes for Kamala, it will make this election even more gratifying for me personally. Make it so, then we can live long and prosper.

Thrill

(19,275 posts)
73. Someone posted that Iowa has been hit hard by the Abortion bans
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 10:40 AM
Yesterday

Apparently they don’t have enough OBGYNs. And can’t recruit any to the state. Women there are concerned about starting families there

getagrip_already

(17,249 posts)
76. Lack of obgyn's hits women of all ages... seniors included
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:20 AM
Yesterday

The plumbing doesnt go into hibernation once menopause hits. Blockages, cists, pap smears and other routine tests, become difficult to even diagnose let alone routinely screen for.

Its a concern for women at every age.

Im a guy, and even i know that.

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