Woman who held "Trump is a c*nt" sign has passed on, but not before leaving another message

[True Dough]

Her name was Doctor Janey Godley. She was from Scotland. You may remember her. RIP!



This is the image that made her famous.

[Solly Mack]

1. Good on her!

Rest in truth.

[teran]

2. She was one of the good ones

Can recommend The C Bomb on BBC radio. She had one hell of a life and left it making us laugh.
RIP

[MadameButterfly]

3. Inspiring

right up until the end

[dalton99a]

4. R.I.P.

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/celebs-tv/janey-godley-dies-three-years-9682888
Janey Godley dies three years after cancer diagnosis

[Dennis Donovan]

5. Cross gently, Jane.

[Clouds Passing]

6. Jane

I’ll miss your brazen humor!

[Hope22]

7. Priceless.

We have lost a fighter and she is so needed here. Rest in peace dear person! You are missed.💗💗🙏🏼💐

[littlemissmartypants]

8. ...

[whathehell]

9. ..not a fan of misogynist "humor"

especially coming from women themselves. It's as sadly self-hating as Black people calling themselves the "N-word".

[Tweedy]

10. ? She threw the insult at Mr. Trump

not another woman.

Rest in peace brave soul!

[whathehell]

11. The "insult" is a misogynist slur regardless

of who it is targeting...

Those who would call Trump a "cunt" say NOTHING about him, and EVERYTHING about their own contempt for women's bodies.

[Orrex]

16. Bless your heart.

[whathehell]

25. Bless yours, dear.

[dchill]

106. It MIGHT be time to read the room.

[whathehell]

111. It might be time to LEAVE the room..

and no, I'm not talking about MY departure.

[dchill]

113. Bless your heart!

Dr. Godley was from Scotland, where the word "cunt" is commonly used as an insult - it's also an insult to any vagina. It's a crude word, and it is used in this incidence to describe an even cruder individual. You should choose your battles, and not take on the Scottish people. They know what they're doing.

[jfz9580m]

17. It's more like reclaiming it imo

Like how the gay community turned “queer” into a prideful word.
Repurposing a misogynistic slur to attack the creeps.

[duhneece]

27. I learned about owning an 'insult' from The Vagina Monologues

All while understanding this wonderful woman’s insult to Trump.
And her sense of humor as she faced dying.
May I have some of that before I die.

[jfz9580m]

28. "And her sense of humor as she faced dying."

Amen to that..It is how my much loved mom coped with cancer and I with the series of unfortunate events that have dogged me ;-/..

I don’t think one can survive modern life wo a sense of humor:

[duhneece]

29. I told my kids that, after I tell them that I love them and all that,

I hope to say, “I got you last” as I touch them and exhale for the last time.
I saw it in a cartoon years ago and it stuck.

[jfz9580m]

31. That's a good one :).nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. In Britain, it's not seen as saying anything about women

It is the most extreme insult, but we also see don't lesser ones, like "prick" or "dick" as saying anything about men.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. That's Scotland, not the US

In the UK the word is used as a non-sexist insult. Where I live, the word can be an insult (Donald Trump is a dumb c***), used by bogans as a form of greeting friends (Hey, ya c***!) or to describe something not very nice that someone's done (That was a c***y move!).

I think Trump is a massive c***. Feel free to tell me about this supposed contempt I have for my own body.

[whathehell]

24. No kidding

but it's being quoted here on a US site where the word is NOT used lightly. If the word was used here in the same way you describe its use elsewhere, it would be deleted as a TOS violation; Persistent attempts would get the poster banned. Cultural sensitivity -- It's a thing.

[Tweedy]

35. Nah. She wasn't insulting women.

We will have to agree to disagree.
Have a lovely weekend!

[TexLaProgressive]

78. Actually in the UK the word is universally used about men.

[whathehell]

89. Yes, but the insult is contained in depicting

a women's genitals as the lowest, most disgusting thing around.

Ask yourself this: If a white person calls another white person the 'n-word', who are they insulting, that white person or black people, generally?
I'd say the latter, and it's the same with women and the C word.

[Envirogal]

98. It's a big word in their culture.

I look at context and it’s actually very funny how she used it against the target of her ire.

[whathehell]

101. I think that's unfortunate..

but I'd find her ire at Trump amusing as well had she not, with all the gender neutral insults available, chosen a gender slur instead.

[moonshinegnomie]

107. It's not a gender slur in the uk

It is applied to both men and women
Differnt country different meaning for the same word.
Just like biscuit means differnt things

[Emrys]

110. I live in Scotland. I have never heard anyone in the UK use it aimed at a woman. I have heard Americans do that. n/t

[orangecrush]

13. Bye.

[whathehell]

14. Bye!

[H2O Man]

15. I respect your

opinion, but can see why others think otherwise. And I don't think black people using the "n" word are expressing self-hatred. One of the guys I last trained, a Golden Gloves super heavyweight champion, used the word in a few situations. He laughed and said, "We stole that word from racists whites. They can only say it in private. So we're showing we can say it in public. And that pisses them off to the extent some try to argue about it publicly."

I'd also point to Dave Chappelle. Some like him, some don't. He is one of, if not thee, most influential comedians in his era. He makes all kinds of jokes.

However, they are two words that I do not use.

[True Dough]

22. I don't use them either

Hence the handy asterisk as a substitute for the "u" in the thread title.

But I respect this lady's right of expression, and I most certainly concur with her choice of target!

[LizBeth]

74. Amd black communities are now asking the younger generation to please move off that word

That it is not doing them any good and it cannot be owned by those subjected. We clearly see with woman, that we are not "owning" the sexist slurs.

[whathehell]

94. Yes, they are

and I believe they're doing the right thing.

In terms of its effectiveness, I frankly think the whole practice of "reclaiming", or "owning" an insult as a way to 'defuse' it is exaggerated. It's worked in one or two instances, but is not, imo, a reliable strategy.
I'd guess that part of its appeal, lies in its being easy..It takes far less work than actually constructing an actual ARGUMENT against the use of demeaning terms. Instead of engaging in that kind of sometimes rigorous effort, one just opts to take an insult and "wear it"..I believe it fails more often than it succeeds.

[H2O Man]

99. Again, I respect

your opinion. You make a strong case for your position, which is exactly what I like the most on DU. So thank you for this. And I intend my responses here in a respectful manner, in the spirit of an interesting, important conversation.

Now, I am very old. So old, that I likely have said that a dozen times but can't remember. Two branches of the extended family are black, and came from NYC. Rap music started there -- and likely other places -- in the early 1970s. From NYC, it caught on. Even back then adults from these communities warned the younger generation. And hip-hop caught on in the 2000s, and older people warned the youth. That's not a new or limted thing. Elvis and the Beatles upset the older generation, and they warned us.

Of no importance, perhaps, my family came from the Old Sod. They were not greeted with open arms by the WASPs. In my youth, some of the old hatred lingered and found expression. I'm not comparing it, for even if there are similarities, there are obvious significant differences. I am concerned about the levels of hatred -- sexism and racism in particular -- that is rising again in this country. I think this cycle started when Senator Obama was running for president. So I do pay attention to the things you have said here.

[whathehell]

100. I appreciate your respectful response, H20 Man,

I really do, and I certainly won't argue with you about black people's use of the N word, especially among themselves. It may have been a bad analogy. I just don't think that, in general, attempts to "reclaim" an insult for the purpose of defusing it, works as well as some imagine..Thanks for sharing you're experience with me (are you a boxer? ) and also the fact of your refusing to use insults based on condition of birth.

[H2O Man]

103. Thank you!

The respect is mutual!

I tend to focus my concerns on the world my generation -- including me -- are handing down to my grandchildren's generation. And I don't feel good about all of the toxins that saturate the social fabric these days. I think that Democrats need to study examples such as Martin Luther King, Jr's approach ...... because we can not and will not "out-hate" the maga cult. And I remember long, long ago, in an English class in college, the teacher saying that a good writer does not need to curse to fully express themselves.

I used to speak at colleges and universities. I loved being challenged by students. These days, the old bag of bones & lard I inhabit prevents my doing that. But I continue to study people, individuals and groups. I try to remain hopeful.


On edit: I boxed when I was young. I was pretty good. It was my friend Rubin Carter who convinced me to quit boxing, and get into college. I'll note that when he was young, he favored Malcolm X. Years later, he came to understand that King was correct.

[DoBotherMe]

18. She's Scots

The Brits use the word against male jerks.

[Tarc]

33. Lol, the pearl clutching

[whathehell]

34. Lol..Not "pearl clutching", dear

Perhaps you need to re-read the DU terms of service regarding slurs based on Race, Religion, and Gender.
Have a nice one.
.

[BannonsLiver]

38. Meh...TOS or not this OP isn't going anywhere.

[whathehell]

40. Um, no..There's no "TOS or not" on this board

If it is, in fact, "not going anywhere" it's because it's a quote originating in another country and culture
with the intent of somehow
"memorializing" a dead woman, and those would be the ONLY reasons.
Used in another context, it would be gone faster than you can say "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left".

[BannonsLiver]

41. I think you'll be alright.

[whathehell]

48. Lol..Yeah, I guess that is all you've got.

[BannonsLiver]

49. I'm not sure how to react to your attempts to police the speech of others.

It’s very un Democratic.

[Tarc]

39. "Trump is a cunt"

By all means, "dear", alert that. I'd wear that ding with pride if you somehow hit the lottery for a likeminded jury.

[whathehell]

88. Lol..Yeah, you know enough

to put it in quotes, dont you? That, or replacing the "u" in the word with a symbol, as the OP did, is the ONLY way this flies here, and we know that.
As to juries, they don't reflect "likemindedness" as much as you might think..A better representation of the "popularity" of an OP is seen by comparing the number of 'recs' it has in proportion to the number of 'views' it's received. When you check the "info" box on the OP you'll it has 188 recs. That seems like a lot until you see that over 4,350 DUers have viewed it, which amounts to LESS than 5 percent, making for a most miniscule number of "endorsements".

[BannonsLiver]

50. Perhaps you could maybe lighten up a little.

[whathehell]

55. Lol..Should we "lighten up" about racial slurs too?

Nah..I didn't think so. As Katha Politt said "Misogyny IS the last acceptable bigotry of the Left.

[BannonsLiver]

56. Is the subject of this thread racial slurs?

[whathehell]

62. No, I'd say it's rather obviously about gender slurs.

The question is why you would be sensitive to one but not the other.

[BannonsLiver]

63. Oh, you're back!

I’m sensitive to gender slurs. I’m also intelligent enough to understand things like context. Hope that clears it up.

[BannonsLiver]

36. You e obviously never been to the UK

Maybe allow for cultural differences and stop assuming everyone everywhere should conform to American norms. It’s super arrogant.

[whathehell]

44. Lol..You obviously know squat about me..

I've been to the UK several times and when I am IN the UK, I DO allow for the "difference in cultural norms", but we are not IN the UK now, are we?..We're on an American political board, so you might want to turn it around a bit and consider the "arrogance" of those in OTHER countries refusing to recognize OUR cultural norms when in our space.

Cultural sensitivity -- It goes both ways.

[BannonsLiver]

46. Here again, you'll be alright.

I know it’s horrific that this dead woman used a slur common to her country but try to press on.

[BannonsLiver]

52. lol

Are you kidding? I love a good sanctimony party!

[whathehell]

59. Lol..Sure, when you can't argue on the merits,

I guess these toothless little "insults" will have to suffice.
Unfortuntely, those of us who CAN argue on the merits tend to be bored with such tripe, and so choose to enjoy their day rather than indulge it. Buh bye now.

[BannonsLiver]

60. What merits do you think you were arguing?

Is being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian some kind of principled stand?

[whathehell]

64. Lol...You can keep trying

but I'm afraid I can't help anyone
who fails to understand rational discourse.
Bye.

[BannonsLiver]

67. You think freaking out over a woman calling Trump the C word is rational discourse?

😬

[JI7]

37. Scotland is better when it comes to women's rights issues. I think this is a cultural thing

We can't see it based on how things are in the US.

[Nasruddin]

104. Cultural difference

Really common cuss word across Britain
Offensive but not as outre as in USA
You'll just have to deal with that as you will

[Self Esteem]

105. I feel like the C-Word in Europe is interpreted differently than in the US.

[Violet_Crumble]

117. It's not just Europe. Australia and New Zealand as well

I'm not sure about Canada or other English speaking countries, but I suspect the US is the odd one out. It's not a gender based slur here, though I'd never use it against another woman as an insult.

The argument I'm seeing is this is a US forum and we need to respect US culture. I'm sensitive to Americans who are offended by the word by saying c***. I'll make one exception this time only and give a nod to the Scottish lady who sadly passed away by saying that Trump is a cunt, a real cunty McCunt. Apologies to anyone offended but Asterisks would spoil that line.

[orangecrush]

12. God love her

Safe passage, Ma'am.

[iluvtennis]

19. Rest in Peace Doctor Janey Godley 🙏

[Fla Dem]

23. Dr Godley, you lived your life well right to the end. Rest in Peace and Joy.

[republianmushroom]

26. RIP

[riversedge]

57. oh my--that is King Charles.......

parody, i know

Link to tweet

[demmiblue]

30. Sandford Police: From all of us at @Sandford_Police we are sending our thoughts and prayers to the family and friends..

From all of us at @Sandford_Police we are sending our thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of @JaneyGodley

Link to tweet

[Bitbit]

32. RIP

[LizBeth]

42. Elon Musk called Harris this. It is vile. We know it is. I dont care how UK feels about the word

For Du to embrace this on one side and not another is a little bit sick. So tired of vile toward women. Per law we are already in states killing women and girls not providing medical care. This feeds into the misogyny.

[BannonsLiver]

43. I respect Dr Godley

That people here don’t understand cultural differences or demand that all cultures conform to American norms isn’t her problem.

[LizBeth]

45. I can respect her and also understand the harm she does with this word.

Culture difference or not, it is a reality. Democrats are good about holding two positions at the same time and call out the harm. Like, Jason Kelce smashing the phone of a mouth throwing out gay slurs, then using the gay slur himself for retaliation. He was wrong with using the gay slur back at him, BECAUSE we know the harm.

[BannonsLiver]

47. I think that's a bit sanctimonious, tbh.

[LizBeth]

68. Sure silly ole sexist slurs that have hurt women and girls forever....

Shame on me. Use any slur for any reason on gays or blacks and get called out, not going to hear a single person say it is sanctimonious. ONLY with women can we use a bigoted slur and if a woman dares to have an issue she is sanctimonious.

[BannonsLiver]

70. Context is important in this case.

[LizBeth]

71. No. You hearing anyone saying that with the n word.... EVER?

[BannonsLiver]

72. This thread isn't about racial slurs.

It’s about a woman in Scotland who called Trump the C word. Whataboutisms aren’t going to change that.

[LizBeth]

73. It is about calling out the bigotry and for me when challenge, the hypocrisy we wrap it up in.

I cannot tell you the number of times on DU listening to someone use the B or C word and defending it when using it on Republican women cause we do not like them, while outraged, I tell you, when used on ours. So, you have an issue with Elon calling Harris the C word on twitter?

[BannonsLiver]

75. So you think Dr Godley was a bigot?

And yes, I do have a problem with Elmo calling her that. The difference is I can process nuance and recognize Dr Godley calling Trump that is not the same.

[LizBeth]

77. She used a bigoted sexist term to insult Trump which was ultimately insulting

women. I think she misinterpreted the ramifications, but then we shouldnt have an issue with Elon, if we decide it is not hate speech, right?

[BannonsLiver]

79. As I said regarding Elmo

I do have a problem with him call her that. The difference is I can process nuance and can understand Dr Godley calling Trump the C word is not the same.

[BannonsLiver]

80. If you think she misinterpreted the ramifications then I'm afraid you've got a lot to learn about the Scots.

[LizBeth]

81. Or maybe understand misogyny to the point not only world wide but US girls and women

dying because the can no longer get certain medical procedure for the indifference or just flat out hate toward them. The C word fuels that, nothing is in a vacuum BUT Bannons, I enjoy your posts, we see this different, neither will relent so I am done with this conversation. I take it personally and is so sad for me, I do not need to hash it out with people I enjoy.

[BannonsLiver]

83. I'm sorry you feel that way but respect your position.

Have a good evening.

[moonshinegnomie]

109. It's not treated that way in the uk

Basically your trying to assign us culture to a statement in a foreign country


The rest of the world doesn’t have to subscribe to American sensitivity

[whathehell]

61. THANK You!...Amazing that someone finally admits it

and has the guts to say so!

[LizBeth]

69. Makes me sanctimonious.... dontcha know. Won't heat a single excuse or dismissal using bigotry

words with black or gays, but a woman? ..... sure. I have always had a problem with the hypocrisy and calling it out. I won't shut up, even alone. So thank you.

[whathehell]

95. Yes, "sanctimony" my ass -- You're absolutely right

about the hypocrisy and double standards applied to women, even by supposed "progressives"

It's why I think The Nation's feminist writer, Katha Pollitt nails it in claiming that "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left".

LizBeth, I am so glad to find another kindred spirit here!
I feel exactly the same -- I won't shut up either, even if alone. Would enjoy talking to you by pm sometime, if that's okay.

[LizBeth]

114. Sure. Anytime.

In the process of buying a condo and elections, lol.... oh but you betcha. Anytime you want so send a message, feel free. !!!

[malaise]

53. Well done

😀

[Faux pas]

54. Excellent

she got her last laugh, for sure

[Traildogbob]

58. I think

She will rest in total peace, knowing no trump, wife or spawn, will ever be in heaven.
He could actually start a mass religious rebound by
People thinking the best way to never deal with them again, is an eternity after life, where they will never be. Make me wanna commit just thinking eternity in hell with trumps is one of two options.
Fire and brimstone preachers need to make THAT the fear they yell every Sunday, for donations.

[DrivingOnThe Left]

65. Anarchy Princess stands up to MAGAts in Pennsylvania with her tribute to Janey Godley

&ab_channel=AnarchyPrinccess

[keithbvadu2]

66. The Scots have some good insults for Trump

The Scots have some good insults for Trump

[Deuxcents]

91. Such endearing names for a person who says everyone loves me. 😆

[Eliot Rosewater]

76. In this context it is not misogynist why the hell do we have to bleep it

In the adult world around the world that word is not about Women it is about assholes. Sigh

Yes Donald Trump is a Cunt Cunt Cunt🤬🤬🤬

I have never in my life used that word in relation to a Woman and never would, it is no different than words like shagging, fanny etc. that have an entirely different meaning here and the rest of the world.

[LizBeth]

82. And the n word is not really about blacks, just inferior cause we are hearing white people calling

others that all the time.

This is a sad thread, .... I should have never stepped in.

[Eliot Rosewater]

84. No, the N-word is isn't meant one thing here and a different thing everywhere else

[LizBeth]

85. Nor is this word, the insult itself is the sexism of the word.

It is used toward men because it is the most vile thing you can say about a woman, painting him as a nasty women, hence the insult. But of course we do this only with women, but not other protected groups.

[JanMichael]

86. I think some people have a problem with context.

I blame the internet.

[JanMichael]

87. When was the original photo taken?

Because I know people in Scotland hated Drumph well before 2016.

[muriel_volestrangler]

93. It was in 2016

Link to tweet

[Harker]

90. I honor the passing of a brave woman, and an icon.

I've thought of her often.

[keithbvadu2]

92. Would republicans use that word around children?

Back when Hillary was running....

[surfered]

96. A saint!

[IcyPeas]

97. Anthony Bourdain met her in his Glasgow episode: *watch*

[CentralMass]

102. The term has a different context/meaning in the U.K.

"As a broader derogatory term, it is comparable to prick and means "a fool, a dolt, an unpleasant person – of either sex". This sense is common in New Zealand, British, and Australian English, where it is usually applied to men or as referring specifically to "a despicable, contemptible or foolish" man."

https://tinyurl.com/mry3wspc

[Emrys]

112. The French word "con" has a very similar dual meaning. n/t

[LizBeth]

115. Was it established first pertaining to women then manifested to men?

Because as we feminize what is perceived as weak with the p word, the same with the c word meaning a prick. But, the real insult is behaving like a female. Weak or nasty, the insult is calling a man woman, and no greater insult than that, hence calling a man a woman one way or another. That simple.

[DENVERPOPS]

108. Yes

And.....I Miss Molly Ivans.......