If Trump "wins," would you accept him as your president? He didn't accept Obama or Biden as legitimate presidents.

[Doodley]

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I can never accept a fascist who wants to take away our rights as president.

Added note:
With his false birther claims, Trump didn't accept Obama was a legitimate president.
With his false 2020 election claims, Trump doesn't accept Biden is a legitimate president.
If Trump wins, it is through trying to gaslight the nation, with lies, manipulation, and foreign help.
Why should I accept him as a legitimate president?

[usaf-vet]

1. F NO!

[marble falls]

2. Never accepted him the first time. Never been, will not be.

[piddyprints]

3. I'd have to accept him as human first,

which is unlikely to the point of being impossible. So, no. Actually, hell to the no!

[TSExile]

4. NEVER.

EVER EVER EVER!!

[DeepWinter]

5. Yes

It is a Democracy, sometimes your side doesn't win. That's what happens in a functioning Democracy. The political pendulum swings. That's good and healthy. If it doesn't, I'm not sure you have any meaningful Democracy.

I have neighbors who refused to accept Obama won and was the President. Childish. He was the President.

If Trump wins, he's the President. I'm not going to say the other side cheated, it was illegitimate. That's what Republicans do.

[Doodley]

11. And if Trump dismantles our Democracy, destroys our alliances, and turns us into a rogue state?

[DeepWinter]

14. hyperbole

We've survived 46 Presidents including Trump. We'll survive the 47th.

[Doodley]

20. Have you not heard Trump's own words,? Have you not heard of Project 2025? When Trump openly worships

other authoritarians, you better believe him.

[electric_blue68]

23. And the fact that there will be No Guardrails in his potential WH staff to surpress, deflect his worse impulses...

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And what about Congressional results?
If Republicans [Life Forbid] get both Houses?

What about Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and those who only have those for their lives? 30% + cuts?

Plus whatever nastiness to other programs, or seriously restrictive new laws? Like a National Abortion Ban. Dismantling certain scientific safeguards, etc?

[Doodley]

31. It would be a living nightmare. The America we know will be over.

[MrsCoffee]

97. It could be argued that a few hundred thousand didn't survive Trump.

Thanks to his COVID bullshit.

Most of us survived, but at what cost?

[NoRethugFriends]

65. ah, another June 28th joiner

[haele]

83. If he wins with a minimum of shenanigans. I'm kind of forced to.

That's basically if Jill Stein and write-ins peel off enough votes for him to actually appear to win. He wins by the rules.
However, fiat statements that "TFG" won by corrupt courts and billionaires, especially if by the rules, he didn't have the votes, because they wanted him to are not reasons to accept the claim.

He cheats. That's understood, and cheating a weakness in our Democracy. I've lived with it, the GOP and 3rd Party supporters lived with it. But when "Refs" are corrupt and throw the Election to basically set themselves and their buddies as rulers, then Democracy is over. 2000 was a Usurpation. But it was still correctable.
If TFG "wins" because SCOTUS gives it to him, game over for Democracy.

Haele

[Moostache]

101. We do NOT live in a Democracy...it is a Representative Republic.

To the main point though...accepting a vote total and acknowledging the winner of more votes is simply admitting math is real. I will not deny basic facts because I don't like what they say about America. I would strongly consider options for leaving though. The winner is the candidate with the most votes, period. After all votes are counted and legal votes tabulated, the winner is the winner.

But I support the republic, not the president.
I support and believe in the Constitution as its foundation.
I believe the entire experiment in self-rule is in danger due to external and internal issues.

What I do not support, for any reason, is the denial of basic truths, such as numerical totals.

[brush]

6. Never, and if he wins the chaos and instability will...

overwhelm the and divide the naition and put iit's future in doubt.

[angrychair]

7. He isn't going to win

It's just not going to happen.

[KarenS]

9. I hope you're right. nt

[FBaggins]

8. What does "accepting" him look like?

Don’t count on me to show up and storm the Capitol with you if that’s what you mean

[Doodley]

15. Accepting him as president means accepting everything that Trump is, a divider, a racist, a fascist, an xenophobe, a

misogynist, a traitor, an agent of chaos, an anti-scientist, a pathological liar, and so on.

[FBaggins]

33. That doesn't really answer the question

Nobody will “accept” those things

If Congress passes a law and he signs it… does “not accepting” mean that we won’t follow it?

If so - then yes - if he’s actually elected then I will accept that he is president- without ever thinking it (or the things you list) are acceptable.

[Doodley]

35. "Just following orders," was the Nuremberg defence.

[onenote]

38. So you will refuse to obey any law signed by trump if he wins?

Or will you go "sovereign citizen" and decide which ones you want to follow.

Whether or not you "accept" him as president, he will be president if, god forbid, he wins.

[Doodley]

77. If laws change that unfairly threaten our persecute others, I will choose not to follow them.

[FBaggins]

41. Can you only debate straw men?

I’m not in the military. The president doesn’t get to give me orders.

Your position is little different from those of the Jan6 rioters. Accepting the results of an election does not make you complicit in whatever that administration does. Voting for it does.

Why not save this nonsense until we see if it actually happens? Why put democrats on record as little different from what they actually oppose?

[edisdead]

46. people in this thread arguing over fictional situations

we are in this together.

[Doodley]

74. "Why put democrats on record as little different from what they actually oppose?" I haven't done that.

[PJMcK]

10. Nope

We’ll probably move overseas. Another Trump presidency would be untenable.

[KarenS]

12. It doesn't matter whether or not I accept him.

I will be disappointed and sad. Not as much for me but for my children and grandchildren and greatgrandchildren. Will I be vocal? No.

[JohnSJ]

17. Exactly.

[DeepWinter]

19. Nailed it

[Walleye]

54. Yep. My opinion is not going to matter to anyone.

[sarisataka]

90. Exactly

[samnsara]

13. hell no

[JohnSJ]

16. It won't matter. The country and its democracy will be over. It may not happen immediately or for some time, but it

will slowly degenerate into an autocracy.

[Doodley]

21. Exactly. I don't know how anyone can think it will be okay.

[RedSpartan]

18. Let me be clear:

[Kaleva]

22. Would we have any other choice?

I don't think many of us will refuse to obey legislation that is inacted into law with his signature or disregard rulings made by judges he appoints or don't pay taxes that fund his administration.

People may say they won't accept him but my guess is that they will go about their lives very much the same as if Harris won.

[Doodley]

28. So, the LGBTQ community should accept increased discrimination, women should accept men making decisions for them,

doctors should refuse to help women in need if it involves an abortion, we should do nothing as families are broken up to enable Trump's mass deportations, teachers and parents should accept the censorship of race and gender books and discussions, and we should accept attacks on our voting rights and access? Nice for those who feel they are unaffected.

[onenote]

45. "Do nothing?" Who is suggesting we do nothing?

One can accept the fact that he's president if, god forbid, he wins, while still opposing in court, in state and local governments, in 2026 as well as through public protests, his actions.

[Doodley]

84. Good answer. I agree.

[Kaleva]

87. Yes

[Kaleva]

67. So what actions will you take that will show you don't accept him?

People like MLK and Mandela risked their freedom and their lives. Gandhi went on hunger strikes to achieve his goals.

What will you do?

One can tell just how serious a person is about an issue is to observe what actions they take in response to it.

[Doodley]

81. For starters, I pledge not to follow any new laws that unfairly threaten others.

[Kaleva]

91. What laws would those be and how would you not accept them?

If he opens up wilderness areas for oil drilling, what will you do that shows you won't obey that?

[Doodley]

92. For example, if a law is passed that states you must report any undocumented immigrants that you know of.

[Kaleva]

94. That's an action one who accepts Trump as president could take

I wouldn't report an undocumented worker either unless they were engaged in criminal activities. Other then being undocumented.

There's almost no risk to oneself in doing that. Just plead ignorance.

[TommyT139]

86. "What will you do"

Anyone who answers this here should remember it's an open website that places high on search results.

[sinkingfeeling]

24. No

[bucolic_frolic]

25. Even MAGA will reject him when the bills come due and the money stops

Markets will crash from uncertainty. Panic buying to avoid tariffs. Complete economic disaster.

[onenote]

42. Those same predictions were made by some here in 2016.

And Trump made the same predictions in 2020 about Biden getting elected. Both predictions turned out to be hyperbole.
The PTB have a way of protecting themselves from "complete economic disaster."

[lees1975]

26. No.

[Vinca]

27. No. For starters, he'll chuck "president" and go straight to "tsar."

[Silver Gaia]

29. NO. I never did in 2016, and would not, could not in 2024.

N.E.V.E.R.

He is the face of evil, not of our country.

[Torchlight]

30. Accepting it or not ain't gonna change the taste of mustard.

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That said, Mr. trump winning is something I dismiss as nothing more than theater of the mind.

[aeromanKC]

32. America will be dead to me.

I will sit back and eat popcorn while I watch America turn to shit. I've already seen the movie though. (Idiocracy)

[orangecrush]

48. This

[BlueKota]

34. NO!

I sincerely hope sane people in power have a plan to deal with that possibility. The Constitution will be already be dead at that point so the notion that our side has to still abide by it is ludicrous and pretty much suicidal. They must immediately act to ensure the safety of all the lives of the people the orange menace has threatened. That's what's important.

[Best_man23]

36. To quote Luke Skywalker

"Never. I'll never go over to the Dark Side."

There is NOTHING the Convicted Felon or his cult can do or offer to make me follow them.

[onenote]

40. Accepting isn't the same as "following".

One can accept the fact that he's president if, god forbid, he wins, without becoming a "follower" of him or his policies and actions.

[doc03]

37. I don't have a choice. We only have one president at a time

although I don't like it, it is what it is.

[TwilightZone]

39. It doesn't matter if we accept it or not.

He would still be the president.

Just like how it doesn't matter if people don't accept Harris, when she wins.

[RobinA]

43. Doesn't Much Matter

if I accept him or not, he will be the president.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

44. Absolutely NOT.

I will not submit.

[Alice Kramden]

47. President Biden still has 2 months

And unlimited power conferred by the Supreme Court - I expect him to act in the interest of our nation's future, and DJT ain't part of it

[FBaggins]

53. ?? In no sense does he have unlimited power

All SCOTUS said was that he couldn’t be prosecuted if one of his official actions turns out to be illegal. That doesn’t add one bit of additional power

[AZSkiffyGeek]

69. Amazing how people have absolutely no clue about what that ruling said

And are fantasizing about Biden going dictator. Says a lot, IMO.

[FBaggins]

73. Hopefully it will all be a moot bad dream come Wednesday -nt

[samsingh]

49. No

[Happy Hoosier]

50. Accept? Yes. At least provisionaly. Embrace? Never.

I work a lot of Federal Government Contracts and in that sense, I will have to work them under this assholes watch.

If by accept, you mean that? Then sure. I'll accept that. I have a mortgage to pay.

But I despise that man to my core, and I repudiate him in the deepest and most ardent way I can.

[Kid Berwyn]

51. "Insurrectionists" can't be POTUS

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Until John Roberts' clerks figured a Sharpie work-around, it had been written in the Constitution.

[lark]

52. Never ever!

[TommieMommy]

55. No way.😡

[Orrex]

56. If he seizes power through unlawful means

then he will have demanded that the American people remove him from office by any means necessary.

[Fullduplexxx]

57. What choice do you have

[DoBW]

58. Putin would own the White House ....so, FDT & slava Ukraine

[Doodley]

71. America would effectively be part of Russia.

[oldmanlynn]

59. No, it's gonna be a fight if he becomes president

All of the nasty things that you could see happening it’s gonna definitely be a fight and I don’t mean it as a violent fight just out there block protest speak against things of this nature

[BlueTsunami2018]

60. It won't matter if you accept him or not.

Because if he wins, he’ll be President.

I didn’t accept him last time but there he was being the President.

[hadEnuf]

61. Absolutely not. He is already cheating and trying to mess with voting. (again!)

That disqualifies him. Period.

His claims otherwise are a confession.

[philf99]

62. He isn't running for president

If Trump wins he will be dictator for life. I think he made that unbundling clear when he said he shouldn’t have left the White House

[Doodley]

70. Thank you for putting it in the correct perspective.

[-misanthroptimist]

63. Yes, if he wins the election.

Absolutely not if he sues his way in or he somehow achieves his goal through the violence of his cult.

[Metaphorical]

64. If he legitimately won, then begrudgingly

However I think the operant word is legitimately. I think if he had any legitimate chance the polls would show him clearly ahead. Right now he's propped up like a sock puppet by a media that has done everything they could to make him seem inevitable, and he is still losing steam. His coalition is not holding together, there's no excitement there. He also wouldn't be signaling like crazy to his Nazi base if he thought he could win.

Thus I would likely be part of the resistance if he wins, because the only way he does is by subverting the system so completely that elections become meaniness.

[AKwannabe]

66. Didn't last time he resided in the WH

He was the resident. Never President!

[Brainfodder]

68. Would expect a recount and not accepted at this time.

I have him losing.

[EnergizedLib]

72. I didn't the first time

Why in the world would I when he’d be so much worse the second time?

[DFW]

75. If he verifiably gets more votes than Harris, I see no choice.

It's why I did not accept Cheney in 2000 (dba Bush Lite) or Trump in 2016.

[Maeve]

76. I think you are really asking if we will be "good Germans" and what that means

TSF is threatening (or promising, depending on your POV) to send us down a fascist road much as Hitler did in 1939 Germany, He was also duly elected--democracy can fail. Will we go along or protest? Will we keep our heads down or try to blend in? How do you be a good American with a corrupted government?

Not sure how I will react yet---my first instinct is to divest of any stocks and get the hell out of the country--I'm too old for this shit. But I have others to think of.

[Turbineguy]

78. I don't think he'll be president long.

the Heritage Foundation needs somebody more competent. He'll get eased out under the 25th.

[tavernier]

106. Exactly

Let’s not forget who is actually running. Do you really think the entire Republican side of Congress are really Trumpers? Haha.

[HarryM]

79. He is not winning...

So this question is pointless.

[Mz Pip]

80. If he legitimately wins

I won’t be happy about it, though. Watching the country disintegrate will be a tragedy.

[Hotler]

82. Fuck no! nt

[yardwork]

85. Nah. I'll resist.

[NEOH]

88. Not no...

But HELL to the NO!!!

[Emile]

89. NO WAY

[droidamus2]

93. No but...

It may be just semantics but no I will not accept him as 'my' president. Mostly because first he is a deplorable person and second he has more or less said he won't support me and those who think like me. On the other hand if he wins we all have to accept he is president and deal with that mess

[Ping Tung]

95. No. I can't think of any reason why I should.

I've never been an "America, right or wrong" kinda citizen.

[RandomNumbers]

96. I will accept that he won the election unless there is an extremely compelling reason not to.

That said, I would not accept any actions of his that go against the Constitution.

I think the fact that he could even run for President as a convicted felon, is a giant flaw in that Constitution, but it is what it is. (Never mind that the SC could have interpreted the 14th Amendment differently than it did; but the flaw is that it is not spelled out clearly enough.)

I think that this race is even close, with that P.O.S. heading the R ticket, shows we have a very sick society. There are days lately when I question what I even owe to a society so depraved.

By "not accept" counter-constitutional actions, I mean I would step up my contributions to protesting and fighting those actions, as much as I could, for as long as I manage to stay alive and out of prison. Or until I decide that this society that selected this garbage is just not deserving of it. (sorry. But I can see it coming to that. I will, however, try to keep my focus on the innocents, who have had no role in this.).

If it's not obvious, the needle on my disgust meter has broken from pegging so hard. Not about Trump himself - evil people will come and go - but the sick, cruel f*cks who know who he is and cheer him on.

Who was it that said, "In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve." It's a bit simplistic perhaps, but appears to be sadly true at this time.

[pfitz59]

98. I will work within the system

to keep the nation intact and functioning.

[Wingus Dingus]

99. No--just like the last time, it's a temporary takeover by lunatics.

[20895DEM]

100. I wouldn't accept him as my garbage man

[mvd]

102. Well, I wouldn't call him "President"

I’d be forced to say he was in office. But I’d be devastated and find any feasible ways to resist his policies or get out of the country.

[PennRalphie]

103. No need to worry. Kamala has this.

Can’t believe the amount of doom I’m seeing here.

Kamala is going to win this election and I believe it will be a very large margin.

This talk of moving “overseas”…. You can’t just waltz into a country and be permitted to stay. If you’re not already a citizen of that country, it’s silly talk. Every time we’ve gone to Europe, my wife has pointed out some things. Many buildings have no screens in the windows, There are a few if any handicap ramps. We have a great country. Kamala is going to win. The economy will continue to boom. Your 401k’s and investments will do exceptionally well.

You won’t have to accept anything when it comes to trump. He’ll be irrelevant and Harris/Walz will guide our country.

[Initech]

104. Hell no!

[RJ_MacReady]

105. no

And I will write my blue state to openly defy him.