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speak easy

(10,553 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 02:46 PM Nov 4

[Pigs in the sky] Bill Kristol FTW

Bill Kristol
@BillKristol

I can see it coming. If Trump loses, the election commentariat is going to blame Trump's mistakes in the last week. You know who won't get credit they deserve? Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Liz Cheney, and tens of millions of women who will be responsible for defeating Trump.


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[Pigs in the sky] Bill Kristol FTW (Original Post) speak easy Nov 4 OP
trump's problems go way farther back than last week...nt Wounded Bear Nov 4 #1
I've been watching... GiqueCee Nov 4 #31
The think about heredity and environment soldierant Nov 5 #45
I read Mary's book... GiqueCee Nov 5 #62
I didn't read the book. I'm just a (free) subscriber to her Substack. soldierant Nov 5 #63
I want him to know that women caused his defeat. brer cat Nov 4 #2
So do I!!! calimary Nov 4 #24
Even if something else is BLAMED, a WOMAN still takes office. oldsoftie Nov 5 #55
Screw credit... lame54 Nov 4 #3
Absolutely!!!!!! Tweedy Nov 4 #6
he is actually making a good point Skittles Nov 4 #23
One more reason to hate Trump OrangeJoe Nov 4 #32
Turn that around. Cheney and Kristol came around Attilatheblond Nov 5 #49
Indeed, Wednesdays Nov 5 #54
EXACTLY!!! Mossfern Nov 4 #29
I wonder if they will throw Eloon under the bus tulipsandroses Nov 4 #4
and it's worth congratulating speak easy Nov 4 #5
Absolutely! Alice Kramden Nov 4 #13
Joe Biden chose Kamala Twice. speak easy Nov 4 #17
Omg it was genius Alice Kramden Nov 4 #21
Biden has saved us numerous times wryter2000 Nov 4 #27
100% oasis Nov 5 #58
Everything Trump touches dies ToxMarz Nov 4 #8
Eloon BELONGS under the bus... dchill Nov 4 #10
In Eloon's defense (can't believe I'm typing that) GopherGal Nov 4 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author ArkansasDemocrat1 Nov 4 #30
Doug Enola Nov 5 #47
Oh shit, now I have to add pig droppings from the sky to my list of worries. NNadir Nov 4 #7
Really? Bill Kristol? I know he's been on our side this election but him being actually nice about it? Hamlette Nov 4 #12
Agreed. I am optimistic, but can't shake the national PTSD NNadir Nov 4 #18
Your Statement Made Me Think... GB_RN Nov 4 #39
I don't really care; do you. They're gonna find out how unnecessary they are. onecaliberal Nov 4 #9
Kristol has made occasional statements along this line since late in 2017 Warpy Nov 4 #11
At The Very Least I And Pepperidge Farms Remember That Liz Cheney Is Responsible For Installing Him As POTUS MayReasonRule Nov 4 #14
Thanks for saying it jfz9580m Nov 4 #42
She is a no come back inside the magat party forever. Justice matters. Nov 5 #43
I Have No Forgiveness For Liz Cheney - She Is Directly Responsible For Electing The POTUS That Killed A MillionCitizens MayReasonRule Nov 5 #61
If she was just in it for herself she'd be sucking up like Graham, Rubio, Cruz et al oldsoftie Nov 5 #56
I 'Believe' Nothing. I Conclude That Kamala Has A Firm Grasp Of How To 'Handle' Liz Cheney MayReasonRule Nov 5 #60
I am awestruck BumRushDaShow Nov 4 #15
Trump is so awful, Bill Kristol of all people Johonny Nov 4 #16
"Effin" A, bubba! SergeStorms Nov 4 #19
It's happening! liberalla Nov 4 #20
Red Hatters will have no one to blame but themselves. cab67 Nov 4 #22
they will be flying in formation et tu Nov 4 #25
My God, mark down this day in history! lastlib Nov 4 #26
THIS !!! Benedict Donald has always been an a-hole he didn't just turn that way in the last month uponit7771 Nov 4 #33
M$M will never give her the credit, 100% Bias uponit7771 Nov 4 #34
"will never give her the credit" because she is a woman. speak easy Nov 4 #35
+1, they should be called out no doubt uponit7771 Nov 4 #37
thud thud thud tinkle crash et tu Nov 4 #36
He is going to lose and he knows it kimbutgar Nov 4 #38
: : : THUD : : : Stinky The Clown Nov 4 #40
Kristol Clear czarjak Nov 4 #41
He's still a piece of shit. LudwigPastorius Nov 5 #44
Trump's true believers will never COL Mustard Nov 5 #46
Women don't need recognition to get the job done. Bluethroughu Nov 5 #48
The dilemma for the media: SayItLoud Nov 5 #50
Trump. is the problem wendyb-NC Nov 5 #51
Literally every woman (and some men) I know TBA Nov 5 #52
How far we have come. Bill Kristol. freaken PNAC Bill Kristol sky_masterson Nov 5 #53
DICK CHENEY!! oldsoftie Nov 5 #57
Is this the real life? sky_masterson Nov 5 #59

GiqueCee

(1,366 posts)
31. I've been watching...
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 06:19 PM
Nov 4

... that evil bastard's clown show for more than 40 years. He is rotten down to his DNA, with NO redeeming qualities whatsoever. Whatever fate befalls him, the punishment will never be enough to erase the harm he has done, nor the pain he has caused. He is the embodiment of mindless malice.
And to those that STILL support him, that egregious error says nothing good about your judgment or your character. That stain is indelible, and will never be forgotten, or forgiven.

soldierant

(7,919 posts)
45. The think about heredity and environment
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 12:50 AM
Nov 5

is that parents are responsible for both.

Not only did Fred hand down his evil DNA, but his sociopathy (including consistently rewarding Donald's bad behavior and discouraging any good behavior, if any crept in) = that would have turned a betterr man than Donald into a monster. I'm citing his niece Mary for this info.

GiqueCee

(1,366 posts)
62. I read Mary's book...
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 05:59 PM
Nov 5

... and her condemnation of this monster should be required reading for the shitbrains that still think the Sun shines outta his fat, pimply ass.

soldierant

(7,919 posts)
63. I didn't read the book. I'm just a (free) subscriber to her Substack.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 06:50 PM
Nov 5

And she addressed this again there within the last week.

calimary

(84,408 posts)
24. So do I!!!
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:57 PM
Nov 4

You’ve used and abused women LONG ENOUGH, donald.

Now they’ll have the last word about you: “LOSER!”

Skittles

(159,607 posts)
23. he is actually making a good point
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:54 PM
Nov 4

the accomplishments of women and POC are consistently diminished

OrangeJoe

(402 posts)
32. One more reason to hate Trump
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 06:24 PM
Nov 4

Trump has made me agree with the Master of War, Dick Cheney and now this butt licker Kristol. Let's get Trump in jail where he belongs and get back to disagreeing with these war mongers.

Wednesdays

(20,315 posts)
54. Indeed,
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 01:33 PM
Nov 5

I'm sure OrangeJoe was on our side LONG before Cheney and Kristol ever considered throwing their support behind Democrats!

tulipsandroses

(6,231 posts)
4. I wonder if they will throw Eloon under the bus
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 02:54 PM
Nov 4

His ground game operation has not delivered. MAGA might start conspiracies that he was a “ Democrat plant”.

I agree with Kristol. Kamala has conducted a master class. Extremely disciplined. The “press” tried to knock her off her game a few times, and they couldn’t. Kudos to the Harris/Walz team.

speak easy

(10,553 posts)
5. and it's worth congratulating
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 03:01 PM
Nov 4

the President for the ground game his campaign had put in place by the time Kamala got his endorsement. Nobody has more experience of grass roots campaigning than Joe Biden.

Alice Kramden

(2,398 posts)
13. Absolutely!
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:23 PM
Nov 4

My admiration for President Biden is sky high, for his acumen, political prowess, and excellent ground preparation for Harris' run

speak easy

(10,553 posts)
17. Joe Biden chose Kamala Twice.
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:34 PM
Nov 4

There were a lot of naysayers the second time around, but the President herded the cats as only he can.

ToxMarz

(2,252 posts)
8. Everything Trump touches dies
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 03:32 PM
Nov 4

Why would Musk be immune.

I trust he will regret his decision to become a political operative first and foremost, he has MUCH too lose. Unbelivable they can never be satisfied with what they have.

GopherGal

(2,401 posts)
28. In Eloon's defense (can't believe I'm typing that)
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 05:15 PM
Nov 4

TSF knee-capped his own ground game by setting his daughter-in-law atop the RNC to divert all the funding to pay for his legal expenses.

Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #4)

Enola

(36 posts)
47. Doug
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 08:22 AM
Nov 5

I appreciate Doug Emhoff and his kids for supporting her and helping to keep her going. Thanks guys. Also her sister.

Hamlette

(15,534 posts)
12. Really? Bill Kristol? I know he's been on our side this election but him being actually nice about it?
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:07 PM
Nov 4

Last edited Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:45 PM - Edit history (1)

and to women? They are flying high.

Bless him being nice on a day when I'm so nervous.

edited to change typo and autocorrect: outside to our side, makes a difference.

GB_RN

(3,175 posts)
39. Your Statement Made Me Think...
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 09:34 PM
Nov 4

About how many more people than usual, were hit by depression, anxiety and PTSD from Cantaloupe Caligula the Corpulent’s pResidency. Add in COVID, plus all the non-stop bullshit Caligula has done over the last four years, SCOTUS killing women’s rights and on and on, ad nauseam.

Please, let this long, national nightmare end.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
11. Kristol has made occasional statements along this line since late in 2017
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:06 PM
Nov 4

when it became obvious that TFG wasn't going to pleasantly surprise anyone by showing competence that had been in hiding beneath the divisive bombast.

I think he's hoping, like I am, that we manage to outvote the MCPs of both genders by a wide enough margin that eveb TFG is forced to admit, at least privately, that he just plain lost. Again.

MayReasonRule

(1,852 posts)
14. At The Very Least I And Pepperidge Farms Remember That Liz Cheney Is Responsible For Installing Him As POTUS
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:24 PM
Nov 4

Liz Cheney has not disavowed the Republican National Committee, The Republican Party, or her own personal brand of theocratic fascism.

Liz Cheney is in it for Liz Cheney.

It just so happens that she's one of the smarter fascist rats attempting to carve out power for herself.

That's my perception of what things are as I review the facts that are in evidence.

I don't trust her worth a shit.

jfz9580m

(15,500 posts)
42. Thanks for saying it
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 11:44 PM
Nov 4

Any defector at this point in time is welcome.
I am all for anything that gets Trump away from power but that aside I dislike Liz Cheney and that type of person as much as I always did.
Never Trump GOP is still GOP.

I do go like this 🤮 over anything I read in the media about Cheney that is at all a hair more positive than, “well okay not entirely crazy for a goper”. She is still pro life etc etc.

Good that she is anti trump, but that aside she is a Cheney. I became politically aware during the Iraq War and have never forgotten what the Bushies and Cheneys were like. But, yeah Trump is far worse. After I wrote that last line i realized that is not what I think. I think Trump is a natural “evolution”. Bush and Cheney in 2000-2004 would result in a Trump some 10-20 years later.

It is time to move left instead of constantly scrambling to the least right shifted centre imo.

Justice matters.

(7,542 posts)
43. She is a no come back inside the magat party forever.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 12:25 AM
Nov 5

Thus, she has no future on the dark side.

At least we can thank her for choosing to defend the Constitution this final one time for her in politics.

She worked hard to defend it in the Select Committee and she stood up to the magats by telling the truth of that day.

MayReasonRule

(1,852 posts)
61. I Have No Forgiveness For Liz Cheney - She Is Directly Responsible For Electing The POTUS That Killed A MillionCitizens
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 04:17 PM
Nov 5

I consider her a useful fascist.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
56. If she was just in it for herself she'd be sucking up like Graham, Rubio, Cruz et al
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 02:03 PM
Nov 5

She lost her House seat, gets death threats every day, has little to no fundraising, etc
It would've been very easy to even just stay quiet & she'd still be in the House.
She's never said she changed her views & Harris has openly said "we dont agree on much". She's called out Republicans for NOT speaking out.
I'm happy to have her working against trump. I believe she means it.

MayReasonRule

(1,852 posts)
60. I 'Believe' Nothing. I Conclude That Kamala Has A Firm Grasp Of How To 'Handle' Liz Cheney
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 04:13 PM
Nov 5

I've got less than zero trust in Liz Cheney.

Less than zero.

BumRushDaShow

(142,928 posts)
15. I am awestruck
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:31 PM
Nov 4

at Bill Kristol, who at one time in the distant past, was barely a level above Charles Krauthammer.

Johonny

(22,101 posts)
16. Trump is so awful, Bill Kristol of all people
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:32 PM
Nov 4

Has become a voice of reason. He really has been quite readable since 2020. It might be the biggest shocker of the Trump Era.

cab67

(3,226 posts)
22. Red Hatters will have no one to blame but themselves.
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:51 PM
Nov 4

They had warning upon warning upon warning that they were supporting a scumbag who did an exemplary job of offending potential supporters.

speak easy

(10,553 posts)
35. "will never give her the credit" because she is a woman.
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 07:49 PM
Nov 4

She only wins because The Man ran a terrible campaign.

czarjak

(12,455 posts)
41. Kristol Clear
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 10:38 PM
Nov 4

Weren't we scum for not being conservative republicans during the Bush Years? (Asking for the majority)

LudwigPastorius

(10,891 posts)
44. He's still a piece of shit.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 12:34 AM
Nov 5

"It's the tears. She pretended to cry, the women felt sorry for her, and she won." - Kristol after Hillary Clinton won the 2008 New Hampshire primary

"Look, the only people for Hillary Clinton are the Democratic establishment and white women. ... White women are a problem, that's, you know—we all live with that. [laughter]" - Bill Kristol on FOX 2018

COL Mustard

(6,911 posts)
46. Trump's true believers will never
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 06:29 AM
Nov 5

Admit that he made mistakes. It's not possible. They'll blame the fake media, or deepfakes, or anyone but DonOld.

SayItLoud

(1,732 posts)
50. The dilemma for the media:
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 11:01 AM
Nov 5

--Can they get higher ratings dissecting why tRUMP lost?

or

--Can they get higher ratings following the chaos of tRUMP winning?

TBA

(830 posts)
52. Literally every woman (and some men) I know
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 01:27 PM
Nov 5

has been donating, working, canvasing , hosting epic post card parties and more. It's like nothing I've ever seen.

sky_masterson

(566 posts)
53. How far we have come. Bill Kristol. freaken PNAC Bill Kristol
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 01:32 PM
Nov 5

How big of a threat to Democracy is Trump that the last threat to Democracy is on the right side of democracy?
My head hurts. I think I need Weed...

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