A lot of CYA going on today on both CNN and MSNBC

[senseandsensibility]

No more amplifying of the 'bro" vote or claims that minorities are swinging towards trump. Less sanewashing of cheato's remarks at his rallies (they will NEVER stop completely of course). Much more hedging of claims that cheato is ahead even by the R's on their political panels.

No more downplaying of the women's vote or stupid predications that the choice issue is not a major concern of voters.

I think the Selzer poll has spooked them, and I, for one, am enjoying it! Not making any predictions, but when Peter Baker is willing to say that trump has committed a lot of "fumbles" recently and Andrea Mitchell admits there is a "surge" towards Democrats, something is going on!

[PCIntern]

1. Yeah. I've been saying this here for weeks

I can always tell when media outlets are lying. They’re not very good at it.

[senseandsensibility]

4. Nope

They certainly aren't. Now they're motivated to be more truthful because they're worried about looking like fools. As usual, it's all about them.

[Magoo48]

27. No, not good at all.

And, they forget we have access to alternative sources of information.

[Quiet Em]

75. I will never forget the crap they tried to pull

whether it was trying to create an alternate illusion, or just scare people for no reason, the horse race shit was always pathetic and insulting.

[jaxexpat]

88. It's their one-trick-pony. Some pun intended.

[get the red out]

102. Yes

I give them a month, if Kamala is elected, to say her shoes don’t match her suit and the scandal begins.

[Dennis Donovan]

2. They still use the term "toss up" but I get the sense they're believing it less and less. n/t

[SheltieLover]

3. They cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe the bullshit they are spewing, can they?

[speak easy]

13. "She said that she was working for the abc news

It was as much of the alphabet that she knew how to use"

Elvis Costello, Brilliant Mistake

[SheltieLover]

18. gawd...

[speak easy]

24. ...

[Sky Jewels]

44. I love Elvis Costello.

As far as I'm concerned, he's the number one Elvis in music of all time.

[Attilatheblond]

47. What's the old saw about believing things your income depends on?

Today's media. Yep.

[RobinA]

5. Where Is This Information

they are seeing that suggests it's not a toss-up?

[SergeStorms]

22. "Toss up."

The term used by those who are destined to lose, BIGLY!

[Zambero]

52. The only Toss Up

Will be a lot of MAGA cookies when the election results set in!

[oldsoftie]

83. Nothing reliable shows anything but a CLOSE race in the swing states.

Thats pretty much a "Toss up"
Please bookmark this post & make me come back and beg forgiveness on Wednesday.

[SharonClark]

6. Tired of hearing the "country going right-way wrong-way" polling and saying it hurts Democrats.

They fail to realize that Dems will say the country is going the wrong way because of all the horrible GQP legislation and the trump threat.

[lees1975]

9. I believe it was the Iowa pollster who noted that half of those who think the country is headed in the wrong direction

think so because of the fact that Trump has made it into the election cycle again.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

82. I do YouGov polls and complain to them

every time they include those kind of questions in a survey, telling them such questions are meaningless for the very reasons mentioned here. Not that it does any good, but I'll keep on telling them.

[barbtries]

21. As a Democrat,

I would say it's right wing propaganda and the abject failure of the corporate media.

[LittleGirl]

57. The fourth estate has failed "most" of us

I live in CA and I got a booklet for my state elections and another one (!) for my county election! I couldn't believe it. I have lived in several other states and those booklets were crazy important for me since I'm new here. I could actually read up on the candidates with both sides listed on the booklets lists of candidates. Plus good ole CA and their propositions. All of the information needed to what exactly they stand for from both sides. It didn't tell me how to vote, just the facts, man. It's a beautiful thing.

IN, AL, NH, AZ are some of the states I've lived in and none of them sent out election booklets that were non-partisan. CA does. Yay.

[Tansy_Gold]

62. Arizona does

We had three books, including for and against statements on all the propositions, as submitted by anyone who cared to weigh in.

[love_katz]

65. So does Oregon.

This year I got a State booklet and a booklet for my county.

And, thanks to Vote by Mail, I can sit down with the booklets and my tablet and carefully research the candidates and the measures.

Careful research on the candidates and issues. It is what the GQP fears.

Democrats, we love being able to be thoughtful about the process, and to be able to research and vote from the comfort of our own homes. This should be available to the entire country. I bet it would help improve voter turnout.

Democrats

[LittleGirl]

66. CA mails a ballot to every registered voter!

I also filled it at home and saved so much time reading the booklet. We dropped off the ballot at an official ballot box at the library and took photos to prove we voted. We got a text that it was delivered, counted and completed properly! Yay!

This should be the normal for nationwide.

[love_katz]

67. Yes, it should become available to every eligible voter in this country.

I'm old enough to have trouble standing for long periods of time on hard surfaces.

And, being able to vote from home made it much easier to research candidates and measures, so I could make the best choices that were available to me.

It really bothers me that the turnout numbers of eligible voters is so low. I think voting by mail would help a lot to increase participation in our most democratic process.

[LittleGirl]

79. Same! I cannot stand still for

More than a few minutes. I can walk for an hour but not stand still for an hour. I’ve voted by mail for a decade. I’ve voted every time, even local elections in off years.

[oldsoftie]

84. I disagree. if a ballot is not requested one shouldn't be sent.

Its not hard to ASK for a damn ballot.
Just sending them out is ripe for trouble; I get other peoples mail at my home ALL the time.

[LittleGirl]

92. "Registered" voters get ballots.

It's in the title. No worries. Easy to miss.

[wichita]

69. so weird

This is how I've always voted here in Cali and I thought it was normal everywhere. I have actually never physically cast a vote, always filled out a ballot at home and mailed it in. Crazy other states don't have ballot pamphlets! How are you supposed to understand the ballot if you don't have information? I'm starting to understand why other states are so messed up. I have to remember that even though I think California is normal, it's vastly different from other states. I'm very lucky to live here.

[senseandsensibility]

70. Welcome to DU!

I agree that our voting system is great. Love the mail in ballots, which you can take to the election place on Nov. 5 if you prefer.

[LittleGirl]

77. Welcome to DU.

I’m glad that something I wrote/experienced helped you understand how …privileged you were living here. I love this state so far but the roads need work. Lol

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

91. There are so many reasons I'm happy to be living in California. At the top of the list...

... it's not Texas.

[DBoon]

101. California's income tax is what we pay not to live in Texas

[CTyankee]

99. I got a large card by mail in plenty of time for the election. It explained in simple terms the ballot questions.

I was fine, but nervous and had to ask my husband to confirm what I thought the ballot language said. It was OK, after all. I was just so damn nervous!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

87. Washington State gets them

If you don't receive one it's available online.

[GenThePerservering]

90. They're extremely helpful!

Our roads are a series of potholes though lol.

[EastBayGuy]

97. Yes! And you also receive a mail-in ballot. My county booklet

included a map of the county that identified all ballot drop-box locations. We have 43 outdoor boxes here in Contra Costa, population 1.2 million. Mine was a 10 minute walk from my house.

[LittleGirl]

100. Hi neighbor!

We dropped our ballots at the Clayton library. Welcome to DU. I’ve been at DU for awhile but I’m new to CC county. Still learning my way around here. Have you been here for awhile?

[jumptheshadow]

43. I'm glad somebody finally said this (nt)

[getagrip_already]

7. Both CNN and MSNBC are uttering that we may know Tuesday night

That is a sign this is NOT a close race, and that big states that count quickly will seal the deal before the slow states are called.

PA is a slow state. We probably wont know for several days. Same for nevada.

[jcgoldie]

8. North carolina is the canary in the coal mine

If shes over performing there then we’ll have a good idea how the night will go.

[getagrip_already]

10. Claire mcaskle is saying to watch any state that tsf won by 6 or less...

That is telling.

He only won tx by 6.

Yeah, she is a d. But she is a well connected d. She is live with jen p right now.

[oldsoftie]

85. How do they count their mail ins? PA & WI only START counting Tuesday

We wont know who wins those two till Wednesday

[DownriverDem]

12. Michigan

Our SOS said Wednesday afternoon is when we will know.

[AllyCat]

29. Wisconsin is another slow state.

Maggie Daun had 2 Republicans (Scott Klug and JB Van Hollen ) on her show this afternoon talking about that as a law that needs to change here. North of 1.5 M ballots cast early and they can’t start to count them until 7 am tomorrow.

[DownriverDem]

11. MSNBC?

I don't see that on MSNBC. Who specifically are you talking about? CNN I agree about the CYA.

[dchill]

16. MSNBC has always been good - after 4:00 pm.

I tuned in at a little after 11 am, and tapped back out shortly after.

[Maggiemayhem]

93. Had to look up CYA!

[Bev54]

14. I turned MSNBC on about 5 min before Nicole

And the 3 amigos were together. I heard Mitchell was retiring but is she sick? She looked terrible, pale and skeletal.

[barbtries]

23. She knows TCFSF is losing?

I'm just speculating, I don't watch any of that anymore.

[Bev54]

58. I don't watch any of them either

It has been a long time since I have even seen her, except in their ads. I would not have even recognized her except for the voice.

[bluescribbler]

15. She's gonna win!

She's gonna win BIGLY!!!!

That is all.

[Joinfortmill]

19. Amen!!!!

[Joinfortmill]

17. F*ck them all. They lost me forever except Rachel & Lawrence.

Thanks for posting.

[SergeStorms]

20. The wheat and chaff are being separated....

when it comes to polls. Republicans released no fewer than 15 polls today, all predicting Buttwipe45 as leading. Big surprise, right?

Of course they're all complete bullshit, and they're only being released to muddy the waters after Trump's inevitable defeat.

The honest, trustworthy polls all have Harris up by 3%, or more. I believe Harris/Walz win by at least 5% nationally, perhaps even more.

Thr Trump era ends tomorrow. It remains to be seen if the torch is passed to a younger nitwit, like Don Jr., or if these racist, misogynistic dummies will crawl back beneath the rocks from whence they came. I'd prefer the latter. 😁

[Joinfortmill]

26. Me, too.

[getagrip_already]

37. They own the rnc lock, stock, and barrel...

Their family and sycophants control the rnc exec committee and votes.

To depose that cabal, you would have to go in with explosives. It would be easier to form a new party.

The family wont give up control, or the bank accounts, mailing lists, pacs, or other machinery.

The real question is what will the donors do. As long as their is the semblence of a plan, and tax cuts, they will keep funding.

[calimary]

39. I saw a quick list of what looked like 8 or 9 polls a week or two ago.

They all favored trump.

I’d never seen or heard of any of them before. Probably, in one form or other, fabricated by the GOP, for a reason: MANIPULATION.

[Deminpenn]

61. Matt Dowd said on Deadline WH today

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that there have been R biased 17 polls released in the last day or two just to muddy up the water.

[calimary]

71. Not surprised! They'll try ANYTHING to win, because their ideas and proposals absolutely SUCK.

[liberalla]

41. Separating the wheat and chaff - perfect analogy and I couldn't agree more!

I'm feeling so happy and optimistic right now!

[FrankBooth]

53. Trump is their huckleberry -- there is no one to replace him

Oh, someone will assuredly try, but there's something about Dotard that they can't get enough of, and nobody else has the creepy charisma they love so much. He's the cult leader, and once he's gone, the cult will never be the same.

[OldBaldy1701E]

25. You may be right.

I may be crazy. (Sorry, had to do it.)

However, I am not going to forget their lack of morals and ethics when Kamala Harris gets elected. I am not going to forget their desire to paint a completely loathsome dictator as a possible candidate. They should all be held to account. They can cover their assess all they want. In the internet age, nothing disappears.

[wnylib]

34. A very wise view to have. The battle against the extreme right

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will not end with a Harris/Walz win. RWers will huddle together to regroup for the 2026 primaries. They will trash President Harris at every chance. They will make up chances to trash her. They will be relentles with their cruelty, racism, and sexism.

Look at how they retaliated against Obama for having the audacity to win. It will be the same with Harris.

We will have to continue to work hard to have her back, to support her, and to push back HARD at the onslaught that she will face.

[Wednesdays]

59. The 2026 midterms

The MAGAts will pull out all the stops to try to repeat 2010 and 1994.

[wnylib]

60. So we have to prepare from day 1 to prevent them from succeeding.

With a Harris win, our work will not end. The tough part will be just beginning.

[calimary]

45. THIS!!!

“They SHOULD all be held to account.”

Damn right!!!

[Jughead]

28. Media

It’s kept close because of media revenue. Not close no $

[Walleye]

30. Trump is starting to look like he's given up. He's exhausted. He wants to lose just to get some rest I hope.

[BlueKota]

38. As much as I'd prefer prison for him

I'd settle for a locked dementia ward in a full care facility.

[Walleye]

40. Same here, anything to make him go away. He's ruining my golden years.

[Tree Lady]

49. I remember how old and sick looking

Havey Weinstein was as they took him off to jail for punishments he much deserved after many years, that is what I want to see with Trump.

[Dem4life1234]

68. Same

He deserves it.

[Gaytano70]

31. Had to look up CYA! LOL

They have a lots of asses to try and cover!

[senseandsensibility]

33. It's an oldy but a goodie

I remember my Dad using it in the 70's!

[wolfie001]

35. Bless your heart!!!

And that's coming from a boomer! Medicare starts for me on Feb. 1st so of course I never want to see MF'er 45 again! Cheers

[Gaytano70]

36. Cheerio!

[wolfie001]

32. Don't forget Katy Turd

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In fact, never forget Katy Turd.

[drray23]

51. Not CNN. She is a MSNBC host. Nt.

[wolfie001]

63. Whoops!!! I need to edit. Hope it's not too late

Thanks

[Rocknation]

42. Yep, the corporate media and pollsters are DOUBLE doubling down

now that it is so inevitable that Trump is going to lose big that even Bloomberg News got stuck with having to endorse Kamala with just four days to spare.


Rocknation | More

[moniss]

46. The best news of the past month was

that Andrea Mitchell won't be on every day.

[Seinan Sensei]

72. I saw her face on the TV today

Couldn't change the channel fast enough.

[liberalla]

48. Thank you for this great post - it's jiving with how I'm feeling right now!

"No more downplaying of the women's vote or stupid predictions that the choice issue is not a major concern of voters.

I think the Selzer poll has spooked them, and I, for one, am enjoying it!"

Me too!

[bucolic_frolic]

54. Patriotic non-MAGA society answers Trump's J6 insurrection tomorrow

Every institution, every court has given him every benefit of the doubt all along. He has no complaints, even though he will. It's time for Trump to go home.

[Seinan Sensei]

73. Yeah, "go home to Mommy"

[Mr. Sparkle]

55. The cynic in me says that the money that could be spent , has been spent

[NBachers]

56. Whiplash!

[sheshe2]

81. I hope they were all able to get surgical collars for that.

Ouchie!

[uponit7771]

64. ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 The M$M is gonna act like they didn't amplify *ANY* of MAGA Media's false messaging !!

Like CNN on the border with a panel, that was amplifying TFGs false message acting like immigrants were a big problem vs backwards immigration laws.

The M$M is the reason we got TFG ... fuck em .. fuck em for amplifying MAGA stupidity

[usonian]

74. Come Wednesday, they'll all say:

WE TOLD YOU SO

WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG BUT OUR COMPUTERS GOT A VIRUS

[ificandream]

78. Should Trump win, it won't be the media fault of MSNBC or CNN.

Be sure to thank Fox for the lies and stupidity they kept feeding to their stupid (and big) audience.

[oldsoftie]

86. That really is the bottom line. nt

[BigmanPigman]

80. I stopped watching both in July

I canceled my NY Times and WaPo online subscriptions 1 year ago. I am happy to say that I have not only survived but I have benefited in many ways.

[Passages]

89. Yep.

Harris 2024.

[DAngelo136]

94. When President Elect Harris is declared the winner

They'll say she "outperformed" the polls and Trump "underperformed".
How many times do we have to learn our lesson about polls?

?w=1440&q=75

[mamacita75]

95. Lying

I personally would never be able to do a job that required lying. Thinking of it makes my stomach curl.
As with many others, respect is gone. I miss the Cronkite days. Bill Moyers is a treasure as well as Dan Rather.
How far these current yappers have fallen. Alternative websites and podcasts are where I head for news.
And especially DU!

[Catherine Vincent]

96. Andrea Mitchell said wha...?

I can't believe it.

[Rock Fly]

98. Talking heads

Being talking heads.

Only the numbers matter now.