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Bibi will now be free to destroy Gaza and kill as many non Jews as he wants (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday OP
And take a chunk of Lebanon as well. no_hypocrisy Wednesday #1
Once he takes that first chunk of Lebanon Bettie Thursday #27
Yup Johnny2X2X Wednesday #2
Rep Talib worked hard to insure those "uncommitted" voters did their part. JohnSJ Wednesday #3
I am sure she will be pleased to see trump and Bibi destroy Gaza and annex the West Bank LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #7
Gaza ..................... Lovie777 Wednesday #4
But Jill Stein is on it Coexist Wednesday #5
trump has made clear that he will deport muslin protesters and let Bibi destroy GAZA LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #24
While I agree with everything posted here Mossfern Wednesday #6
Agree Johnny2X2X Wednesday #8
I agree with you there Mossfern Wednesday #9
That slices both ways Johnny2X2X Wednesday #11
You are repeating Giuliani's Islamophobic lies at the MSG lie-fest. AloeVera Wednesday #18
Actually, it's true - not from Guiliani Mossfern Wednesday #19
Oh I read the "UN Watch" report. Utter bollocks. AloeVera Wednesday #21
Israel must have been totally derelict in implementing their long term project to vanquish Palestinians. Beastly Boy Thursday #33
You must be living in la la land. The mere fact that israel was building settlements in Gaza and taking away akbacchus_BC Wednesday #13
Israel retreated from Gaza entirely Mossfern Wednesday #16
The international community still considered Gaza occupied. AloeVera Friday #43
"Israel still controlled airspace, maritime waters, borders" You mean besides the Gaza/Eygpt border? EX500rider Friday #48
Lol. Yes, it's all Egypt's fault... AloeVera Friday #49
Egypt built a wall with Gaza for a reason NickB79 Friday #58
Well by definition Israel can't "blocade" Gaza when Gaza has a border with Eygpt EX500rider Saturday #59
64% of Catholics and Christians supported the rapist, insurrectionist, racist, sexist, and bigot, while the other JohnSJ Wednesday #14
The abortion issue? Mossfern Wednesday #17
I don't think so. For the last four years the press has been bashing President Biden and the Democrats, ignoring that JohnSJ Wednesday #23
Don't think so. Elessar Zappa Thursday #29
If your aim is to finger-point, you might want to check your analysis first. AloeVera Friday #55
My point is simply the hypocrisy of the so-called religious who voted for such a flawed immoral person. Also JohnSJ Friday #57
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #26
Here are some interesting numbers on if the Gaza issue helped elect trump LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #28
He has been free from day one n/t malaise Wednesday #10
Ikr? AloeVera Friday #51
Ditto malaise Friday #53
Listen to John Oliver-trump has told Bibi to do what he wants to Gaza LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #12
trump did say that for sure. Any Muslims who voted for him is a wasted vote. nt akbacchus_BC Wednesday #15
Ummm... it already has been. AloeVera Wednesday #20
Show the Gaza voters what they won LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Friday #42
Uncommitted voters voted for a muslin ban and deportation of Hamas supporters LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #25
What a crock of antisemite hyperbole. Richard D Thursday #30
With Trump's return to the White House, Netanyahu may push forward plans for the permanent displacement of Palestinians LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #40
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Friday #44
Yep, criticism of Netanyahu equals - you're an antisemite. tenderfoot Friday #47
This message was self-deleted by its author RJ_MacReady Thursday #31
An iconic Jew conspiring with another iconic Jew to kill non-Jews and take over Gaza Beastly Boy Thursday #32
Netanyahu was always free to do that. That's what his long time family friend; Kushner's Abraham Accords was about Uncle Joe Thursday #34
The Jewish conspiracy threads have started. nt LexVegas Thursday #35
The kooks should join the kooks they helped enable TheKentuckian Friday #45
He's been free to do that for over a year now Rob H. Thursday #36
Gaza is already destroyed...Bibi will now wind down the campaign as a favor to Trump Prairie Gates Thursday #37
So no real change in policy then? NT Jk23 Thursday #38
He's been restricting himself? WarGamer Thursday #39
Netanyahu Gambled on a Trump Presidency. Will It Pay Off? LetMyPeopleVote Friday #41
a lot of bdamomma Friday #46
We tried to warn the "Uncommitted" .. did Cha Friday #50
Fetterman on the impact of Gaza on the 2024 election: LetMyPeopleVote Friday #54
TY... I missed this before Cha Saturday #60
Cool for all those who didn't agree with cilla4progress Friday #52
Trash OP. Patton French Friday #56

Bettie

(16,977 posts)
27. Once he takes that first chunk of Lebanon
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:39 AM
Thursday

he's going to want the rest, he just has to kill the people who live there.

And the West Bank, well, I hope the uncommitted people are ready for everyone there who isn't an Israeli citizen to die as well.

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,180 posts)
24. trump has made clear that he will deport muslin protesters and let Bibi destroy GAZA
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 02:14 PM
Wednesday

Stein and Tlaib will be responsible for many deaths and deportations



"Unlike Kamala, I will support Israel's right to win its war on terror. And instead of pandering to jihad sympathizers and America-hating radicals, I will deport them."

Mossfern

(3,118 posts)
6. While I agree with everything posted here
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:44 AM
Wednesday

I don't think that was the cause of the Trump win.
Yes, it did contribute, but was not the cause.

eta: Bibi is not determined to kill all non- Jews. Hyperbole like that will not help and
feeds into antisemitic tropes. There are many Muslim Israelis and Chrisian Israelis.Many of who
belong to the IDF
Netanyahu is the leader in Israel - He is not the leader of the Jewish people.

Johnny2X2X

(21,712 posts)
8. Agree
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:48 AM
Wednesday

We’re just lamenting the hundreds of thousands of civilians that are about to be slaughtered.

Mossfern

(3,118 posts)
9. I agree with you there
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:55 AM
Wednesday

but look at that from a broader perspective. Consider the history of the area, the hate for Jews that UNRWA agenciesg arnered; in UNRWA schools, teaching toddlers to kill Jews. The determination of groups like Hamas to eradicate Israel.

It seems that the radical on both sides will not give an inch for peace. Israel in the past has. This could have ended a long time ago if Hamas would return the hostages. I don't want to get into the Israel/Palestine mess, but Palestinians and other groups surrounding Israel have attacked incessantly - what did they expect?

Johnny2X2X

(21,712 posts)
11. That slices both ways
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:07 AM
Wednesday

But not hear for an Israel Palestine debate. But know that the majority of the people in Israel don’t think Palestine has a right to exist either.

AloeVera

(1,856 posts)
18. You are repeating Giuliani's Islamophobic lies at the MSG lie-fest.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:26 AM
Wednesday

"Teaching toddlers to kill Jews".

It's propaganda and false. Leave the Islamophobia and hatred to the magats.

And there is no "broader perspective" when it comes to " hundreds of thousands of civilians to be slaughtered". I am shocked that anyone would try to rationalize that.

Mossfern

(3,118 posts)
19. Actually, it's true - not from Guiliani
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:30 AM
Wednesday
WASHINGTON, March 14, 2023 — Teachers and schools at the UN agency that runs education and social services for Palestinians regularly call to murder Jews, and create teaching materials that glorify terrorism, encourage martyrdom, demonize Israelis and incite antisemitism, reveals a new report by two independent research and monitoring groups.

The joint report, to be presented today in a meeting at the U.S. Congress as it considers new legislation in the House and the Senate to cut funding for UNRWA, uncovers 47 new cases of incitement by UNRWA staff, in breach of the agency’s stated policies of zero tolerance for racism, discrimination or antisemitism in its schools and educational materials.

The report is a joint publication by United Nations Watch, an independent non-governmental human rights organization, and the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se), an international research and policy institute that analyzes school curricula through UNESCO-defined standards of peace and tolerance.

https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/

AloeVera

(1,856 posts)
21. Oh I read the "UN Watch" report. Utter bollocks.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:44 AM
Wednesday

I also read all the rebuttals.

But everyone sees what they want to.

Not getting into the weeds on this for the umpteenth time.

The destruction, defaming and banning of UNRWA was a crucial part of the long-term Israeli project to vanquish Palestinians as a people and a country. If you agree with that goal, you would of course not see the UN Watch report for the ideologically-driven, intellectually dishonest, fear-mongering undertaking that it was.

There is enough heartache this morning to go around the whole world.

Beastly Boy

(11,098 posts)
33. Israel must have been totally derelict in implementing their long term project to vanquish Palestinians.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:44 PM
Thursday

For three quarters of a century, while UNRWA has been instrumental in keeping displaced Palestinians in abject poverty and having no rights outside of Israel, Israel failed to exploit UNRWA incompetence to dispossess Palestinians once and for all. On the contrary, Israel's zeal in vanquishing Palestinians somehow (purely as an egregious oversight, I am sure) resulted in two million of them becoming Israeli citizens. Whoever was in charge of that Israeli project to dispossess Palestinians should have been fired 75 years ago!

It is only very recently, when UNRWA openly admitted to keeping known terrorists on their payroll, some pimply upstart in the otherwise full of total idiots Disposssess Bureau must have had a light bulb go on over his head: hey, UNRWA is employing militant fanatics bent on indiscriminately killing Jews everywhere! What a perfect excuse to rid Israel of employers of terrorists who threaten Israel's security! That will get Palestinians everywhere (except Israel) vanquished! And later, the Dispossess Bureau will find a way to deal with Palestinian citizens of Israel somehow...

A brilliant plan!

akbacchus_BC

(5,761 posts)
13. You must be living in la la land. The mere fact that israel was building settlements in Gaza and taking away
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:09 AM
Wednesday

Palestinians lands and boxing them into enclaves speaks volumes that netenyahu was and is planning to kill all Palestinians for their land. Why do you think he is against a two State settlement? Jeez, wake up.

Mossfern

(3,118 posts)
16. Israel retreated from Gaza entirely
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:15 AM
Wednesday
By 22 September 2005, Israel's withdrawal from the entire Gaza Strip to the 1967 Green Line, and the eviction of the four settlements in Samaria, was completed. In June 2007 Hamas took over the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian Authority.

Israel's Disengagement from Gaza and North Samaria (2005)

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=when+did+Israel+retreat+from+Gaza

Israel left infrastructure, desalinization plants, green houses, etc. for the people of Gaza to have.
Please read up on history before insulting me by telling me that I live in LaLa land. There are ways to disagree without being insulting.

AloeVera

(1,856 posts)
43. The international community still considered Gaza occupied.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:08 PM
Friday

Israel still controlled airspace, maritime waters, borders and all movement in and out. Even the birth and death registry FFS.
Then there was the 16-year siege known as the blockade, which made life very hard for Palestinians.

And those famed greenhouses? Much of them destroyed by settlers before leaving. Others looted by desparate Palestinians looking for anything to use or sell to supplement their meager incomes. What remained was throttled economically by Israel as it dictated the amount of produce that could be transported out and then denied entry at whim.

Desalination plants? I do know that after a time many became useless as Israel would not let in required parts for repairs. Most of Gaza's water was toxic and not safe.

Oh and wasn't the airport and bombed, not allowed to be rebuilt and no seaport allowed either?

Everything the Palestinians wanted to do to rebuild, grow their economy or whatever was thwarted and strangled by Israel, who had the final say and the means and the power to enforce.

No occupation, you say?

And here's an interesting fact I recently learned. Did you know that the 8,600 Israeli settlers took about ONE-THIRD of the Gaza Strip for themselves? Leaving the nearly 2 MILLION (?) Palestinians sardined into the rest of it. If that is not a perfect example of priviledge vs deprivation, I don't know what is.

Everyone should read up on history and not just from their own side, either.


NickB79

(19,604 posts)
58. Egypt built a wall with Gaza for a reason
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:16 PM
Friday

They didn't want anything to do with terrorists like Hamas coming into their country either.

EX500rider

(11,437 posts)
59. Well by definition Israel can't "blocade" Gaza when Gaza has a border with Eygpt
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:41 PM
Saturday

Now if lots of Gaza based terrorism happened in Eygpt (and it did) then Eygpt might close their border for the same reason Israel does.

JohnSJ

(96,436 posts)
14. 64% of Catholics and Christians supported the rapist, insurrectionist, racist, sexist, and bigot, while the other
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:11 AM
Wednesday

non-Christians, 36%, voted for Harris.

https://archive.fo/zk2wI#selection-4766.0-4919.16


JohnSJ

(96,436 posts)
23. I don't think so. For the last four years the press has been bashing President Biden and the Democrats, ignoring that
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:10 AM
Wednesday

President Biden not only brought us out of the pandemic, which killed millions of our fellow Americans due to the complete mismanagement of trump, but whose policies also helped bring us out of the economic crisis caused by that pandemic.

President Biden was never given credit for that by our press, just as President Obama wasn't when he brought us out of the economic implosion under George W Bush.

What the press did to Hillary was a disgrace, and the final straw was when Comey sent the letter to the republicans in Congress, 11 days before the 2016 general election, the press falsely said the email investigation was reopened, and then conveniently paraded every right wing pundit across their outlets propagating that LIE.

Ever since Bernard Goldberg pushed the "liberal media myth", in his book Bias, the press has bent over backwards to demonstrate that no one should characterize them as "liberal", and by doing so they have done everything from portraying "bothsiderism" during reporting, to outright misrepresentations and lies. Remember the WMDs that weren't there?

Elessar Zappa

(15,795 posts)
29. Don't think so.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:42 AM
Thursday

The majority of Catholics are pro-choice, believe it or not. I’m not sure about Protestants but I’d think it’s about 50/50. Remember, we win on abortion even in Bible Belt states like Kansas.

AloeVera

(1,856 posts)
55. If your aim is to finger-point, you might want to check your analysis first.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:14 PM
Friday

You have misread the exit polls.

The 64% you refer to is the Christian share of total voters, not how they voted.

In fact you'll see that the Christian vote for the rapist felon breaks out as follows:

56% of Catholics
62% of other Christians (includes evangelicals/born-again)

81% of white evangelicals/born-again

If you factor out evangelicals, only 39% of other Christians voted for the felon.

Your assertion that the "other, non- Christians" all voted for Harris is wildly incorrect. For example, 22% of Jews voted for the felon, as did 34% of the other (non-Christian, non-Jew) religious.

The problem as always are the evangelicals.

But what exactly is your point in relation to the o/p?

JohnSJ

(96,436 posts)
57. My point is simply the hypocrisy of the so-called religious who voted for such a flawed immoral person. Also
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:22 PM
Friday

the numbers on that chart has changed from when I first posted it.

Response to Mossfern (Reply #6)

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,180 posts)
28. Here are some interesting numbers on if the Gaza issue helped elect trump
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:40 AM
Thursday

The Gaza protest votes played some role in trump winning Michigan and Wisconsin



AloeVera

(1,856 posts)
51. Ikr?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:40 PM
Friday

But let's pretend it is only now that Gaza will be destroyed etc.

I never know whether to laugh or cry - do you?

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,180 posts)
12. Listen to John Oliver-trump has told Bibi to do what he wants to Gaza
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:07 AM
Wednesday

Gaza will be carpet bomb and destroyed now that Biden is not holding Bibi back


Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #22)

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,180 posts)
40. With Trump's return to the White House, Netanyahu may push forward plans for the permanent displacement of Palestinians
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:46 PM
Thursday

Bibi was supporting trump and hoping that trump win. Now that trump is in charge, Bibi is free to take far more drastic actions.



🚨With Trump’s return to the White House, Netanyahu may push forward plans for the permanent displacement of Palestinians from northern Gaza—an act that could constitute a crime against humanity, as forced population transfers are prohibited under international law.

This shift in U.S. leadership comes as Arab American support in the 2024 election leaned toward Trump, with 42% favoring him over the Democratic candidate, a stark drop from the nearly 60% who supported Biden in 2020, largely due to discontent with the current administration’s Middle East policies, especially concerning Gaza.


Response to Richard D (Reply #30)

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Original post)

Beastly Boy

(11,098 posts)
32. An iconic Jew conspiring with another iconic Jew to kill non-Jews and take over Gaza
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:44 PM
Thursday

Nothing antisemitic about it, right?

Uncle Joe

(60,084 posts)
34. Netanyahu was always free to do that. That's what his long time family friend; Kushner's Abraham Accords was about
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:24 PM
Thursday

sidelining the interests of the Palestinian people to their own homeland while offering MBS good investment opportunity against the wishes of his own finance people.

That set up a ticking time bomb, and even *rump's people knew this, they warned against probable terrorist attacks.

MBS didn't really care about the Palestinian people, the Arab Spring with the possibility of democracy breaking out in the Middle East spooked the journalist hating oligarch.

Biden never reversed that policy and hugged Netanyahu; just as he was devastating Gaza, probably encouraged to do so by his advisers because of the elections here.

Even after the United Nations and virtually any objective observer knew that Netanyahu's government was committing massive war crimes, and breaking U.S. law.

I believe this cost Biden his credibility as an empathizer (which is his strong point) more than anything insofar as the Palestinian people and progressives were concerned.

So Netanyahu wasn't concerned about the consequences of his actions, he could even starve children to death and people that protested against that atrocity would be labeled here as "anti-Semitic" by the corporate media.

Kamala couldn't rebound against those adverse dynamics, lose Michigan or lose Pennsylvania, ultimately it cost her both.




TheKentuckian

(26,021 posts)
45. The kooks should join the kooks they helped enable
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:15 PM
Friday

As I said from the jump, these people could give a flying fuck about the Palestinians just their shitty Death to Israel cause.

Even now they shrug at the 2 million, they are just pending martyrdom to impotently waive a bloody shirt about.

They voted and non-voted for the liquidation of those they lied about caring about.

Stop pretending to be Democrats and join the roadkill cook, Tulsi, Muskyass, and Orange Shittler.

Rob H.

(5,563 posts)
36. He's been free to do that for over a year now
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:30 PM
Thursday

...and the Biden administration hasn't so much as put a speed bump in his path along the way, unless you count talk of "red lines" as doing something meaningful to stop him.

Israel Bombs Refugee Camps After Inking $5.2 Billion Deal for US F-15 Fighter Jets
"Despite overwhelming evidence that the Democratic Party's most devoted constituents wanted to end sales of weapons to Israel, the Biden administration kept sending them."


JAKE JOHNSON
Nov 07, 2024

The Israeli military on Thursday bombarded refugee camps in northern and central Gaza hours after inking a $5.2 billion deal with the United States to acquire more than two dozen F-15 fighter jets made by the American aerospace giant Boeing.

The agreement, part of a broader military aid package approved by the Biden administration and the U.S. Congress earlier this year, was finalized hours after Vice President Kamala Harris lost the 2024 election to Republican nominee Donald Trump following a campaign in which she resisted calls to support an arms embargo against Israel.
(...)
Shortly following the announcement, Israeli forces killed at least 22 people in attacks on the Jabalia refugee camp and Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza—where Israel is engaged in an active campaign of ethnic cleansing—and on the Nuseirat refugee camp in the center of the Palestinian territory.

Norwegian Refugee Council secretary-general Jan Egeland, who traveled to areas of northern and central Gaza this week, said in a statement Thursday that the "complete destruction" he witnessed there was "worse than anything I could imagine as a long-time aid worker."
(....)

Full article at link.

Prairie Gates

(2,909 posts)
37. Gaza is already destroyed...Bibi will now wind down the campaign as a favor to Trump
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:31 PM
Thursday

Who will of course take credit for being the peacemaker.

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,180 posts)
41. Netanyahu Gambled on a Trump Presidency. Will It Pay Off?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:17 PM
Friday

With trump back in power, Bibi will be free to do what he wants in Gaza



https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/podcasts/2024-11-06/ty-article-podcast/netanyahu-gambled-on-a-trump-presidency-will-it-pay-off/00000193-01b9-dc77-adb3-9bbbf9ee0000

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's "gamble" on extending the war in Gaza in anticipation of Donald Trump winning the U.S. election seems to have paid off, according to Haaretz senior military analyst Amos Harel.

In conversation with Haaretz Podcast host Allison Kaplan Sommer, Harel said that Netanyahu "kept promising total victory, what he actually had was sort of a Forever War. It was not forever, but he was waiting for November, and for January 20 and for his friend Trump to be back in the White House."

What is the Israeli premier hoping to get out of his bet? Harel believes that in renewing the Bibi-Trump bromance, Netanyahu believes he can win U.S. support for measures that will stop his criminal trial - Trump after all, will certainly sympathize - and move ahead with the judicial coup that will damage Israeli democracy.

In the security and military arena, the Israeli leader aspires to achieve "more aggressive goals in the region, whether it's striking Iran or persuading the Americans to strike Iran, or pushing forward against the Palestinians and against Hezbollah and Lebanon."
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