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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBibi will now be free to destroy Gaza and kill as many non Jews as he wants
Jared will get to redevelop Gaza
no_hypocrisy
(48,687 posts)Because . . . . . why not?
Bettie
(16,977 posts)he's going to want the rest, he just has to kill the people who live there.
And the West Bank, well, I hope the uncommitted people are ready for everyone there who isn't an Israeli citizen to die as well.
Johnny2X2X
(21,712 posts)Jared was already planning this.
The people of Gaza are going to be exterminated.
JohnSJ
(96,436 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(154,180 posts)Lovie777
(14,932 posts)High price resort.
Displaced Palestinians are not welcome here.
Coexist
(26,198 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(154,180 posts)Stein and Tlaib will be responsible for many deaths and deportations
Link to tweet
Mossfern
(3,118 posts)I don't think that was the cause of the Trump win.
Yes, it did contribute, but was not the cause.
eta: Bibi is not determined to kill all non- Jews. Hyperbole like that will not help and
feeds into antisemitic tropes. There are many Muslim Israelis and Chrisian Israelis.Many of who
belong to the IDF
Netanyahu is the leader in Israel - He is not the leader of the Jewish people.
Were just lamenting the hundreds of thousands of civilians that are about to be slaughtered.
Mossfern
(3,118 posts)but look at that from a broader perspective. Consider the history of the area, the hate for Jews that UNRWA agenciesg arnered; in UNRWA schools, teaching toddlers to kill Jews. The determination of groups like Hamas to eradicate Israel.
It seems that the radical on both sides will not give an inch for peace. Israel in the past has. This could have ended a long time ago if Hamas would return the hostages. I don't want to get into the Israel/Palestine mess, but Palestinians and other groups surrounding Israel have attacked incessantly - what did they expect?
Johnny2X2X
(21,712 posts)But not hear for an Israel Palestine debate. But know that the majority of the people in Israel dont think Palestine has a right to exist either.
AloeVera
(1,856 posts)"Teaching toddlers to kill Jews".
It's propaganda and false. Leave the Islamophobia and hatred to the magats.
And there is no "broader perspective" when it comes to " hundreds of thousands of civilians to be slaughtered". I am shocked that anyone would try to rationalize that.
Mossfern
(3,118 posts)The joint report, to be presented today in a meeting at the U.S. Congress as it considers new legislation in the House and the Senate to cut funding for UNRWA, uncovers 47 new cases of incitement by UNRWA staff, in breach of the agencys stated policies of zero tolerance for racism, discrimination or antisemitism in its schools and educational materials.
The report is a joint publication by United Nations Watch, an independent non-governmental human rights organization, and the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se), an international research and policy institute that analyzes school curricula through UNESCO-defined standards of peace and tolerance.
https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/
AloeVera
(1,856 posts)I also read all the rebuttals.
But everyone sees what they want to.
Not getting into the weeds on this for the umpteenth time.
The destruction, defaming and banning of UNRWA was a crucial part of the long-term Israeli project to vanquish Palestinians as a people and a country. If you agree with that goal, you would of course not see the UN Watch report for the ideologically-driven, intellectually dishonest, fear-mongering undertaking that it was.
There is enough heartache this morning to go around the whole world.
Beastly Boy
(11,098 posts)For three quarters of a century, while UNRWA has been instrumental in keeping displaced Palestinians in abject poverty and having no rights outside of Israel, Israel failed to exploit UNRWA incompetence to dispossess Palestinians once and for all. On the contrary, Israel's zeal in vanquishing Palestinians somehow (purely as an egregious oversight, I am sure) resulted in two million of them becoming Israeli citizens. Whoever was in charge of that Israeli project to dispossess Palestinians should have been fired 75 years ago!
It is only very recently, when UNRWA openly admitted to keeping known terrorists on their payroll, some pimply upstart in the otherwise full of total idiots Disposssess Bureau must have had a light bulb go on over his head: hey, UNRWA is employing militant fanatics bent on indiscriminately killing Jews everywhere! What a perfect excuse to rid Israel of employers of terrorists who threaten Israel's security! That will get Palestinians everywhere (except Israel) vanquished! And later, the Dispossess Bureau will find a way to deal with Palestinian citizens of Israel somehow...
A brilliant plan!
akbacchus_BC
(5,761 posts)Palestinians lands and boxing them into enclaves speaks volumes that netenyahu was and is planning to kill all Palestinians for their land. Why do you think he is against a two State settlement? Jeez, wake up.
Mossfern
(3,118 posts)Israel's Disengagement from Gaza and North Samaria (2005)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=when+did+Israel+retreat+from+Gaza
Israel left infrastructure, desalinization plants, green houses, etc. for the people of Gaza to have.
Please read up on history before insulting me by telling me that I live in LaLa land. There are ways to disagree without being insulting.
AloeVera
(1,856 posts)Israel still controlled airspace, maritime waters, borders and all movement in and out. Even the birth and death registry FFS.
Then there was the 16-year siege known as the blockade, which made life very hard for Palestinians.
And those famed greenhouses? Much of them destroyed by settlers before leaving. Others looted by desparate Palestinians looking for anything to use or sell to supplement their meager incomes. What remained was throttled economically by Israel as it dictated the amount of produce that could be transported out and then denied entry at whim.
Desalination plants? I do know that after a time many became useless as Israel would not let in required parts for repairs. Most of Gaza's water was toxic and not safe.
Oh and wasn't the airport and bombed, not allowed to be rebuilt and no seaport allowed either?
Everything the Palestinians wanted to do to rebuild, grow their economy or whatever was thwarted and strangled by Israel, who had the final say and the means and the power to enforce.
No occupation, you say?
And here's an interesting fact I recently learned. Did you know that the 8,600 Israeli settlers took about ONE-THIRD of the Gaza Strip for themselves? Leaving the nearly 2 MILLION (?) Palestinians sardined into the rest of it. If that is not a perfect example of priviledge vs deprivation, I don't know what is.
Everyone should read up on history and not just from their own side, either.
EX500rider
(11,437 posts)AloeVera
(1,856 posts)NickB79
(19,604 posts)They didn't want anything to do with terrorists like Hamas coming into their country either.
EX500rider
(11,437 posts)Now if lots of Gaza based terrorism happened in Eygpt (and it did) then Eygpt might close their border for the same reason Israel does.
JohnSJ
(96,436 posts)non-Christians, 36%, voted for Harris.
https://archive.fo/zk2wI#selection-4766.0-4919.16
Mossfern
(3,118 posts)Could be.
JohnSJ
(96,436 posts)President Biden not only brought us out of the pandemic, which killed millions of our fellow Americans due to the complete mismanagement of trump, but whose policies also helped bring us out of the economic crisis caused by that pandemic.
President Biden was never given credit for that by our press, just as President Obama wasn't when he brought us out of the economic implosion under George W Bush.
What the press did to Hillary was a disgrace, and the final straw was when Comey sent the letter to the republicans in Congress, 11 days before the 2016 general election, the press falsely said the email investigation was reopened, and then conveniently paraded every right wing pundit across their outlets propagating that LIE.
Ever since Bernard Goldberg pushed the "liberal media myth", in his book Bias, the press has bent over backwards to demonstrate that no one should characterize them as "liberal", and by doing so they have done everything from portraying "bothsiderism" during reporting, to outright misrepresentations and lies. Remember the WMDs that weren't there?
Elessar Zappa
(15,795 posts)The majority of Catholics are pro-choice, believe it or not. Im not sure about Protestants but Id think its about 50/50. Remember, we win on abortion even in Bible Belt states like Kansas.
AloeVera
(1,856 posts)You have misread the exit polls.
The 64% you refer to is the Christian share of total voters, not how they voted.
In fact you'll see that the Christian vote for the rapist felon breaks out as follows:
56% of Catholics
62% of other Christians (includes evangelicals/born-again)
81% of white evangelicals/born-again
If you factor out evangelicals, only 39% of other Christians voted for the felon.
Your assertion that the "other, non- Christians" all voted for Harris is wildly incorrect. For example, 22% of Jews voted for the felon, as did 34% of the other (non-Christian, non-Jew) religious.
The problem as always are the evangelicals.
But what exactly is your point in relation to the o/p?
JohnSJ
(96,436 posts)the numbers on that chart has changed from when I first posted it.
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(154,180 posts)malaise
(277,880 posts)But let's pretend it is only now that Gaza will be destroyed etc.
I never know whether to laugh or cry - do you?
LetMyPeopleVote
(154,180 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,761 posts)AloeVera
(1,856 posts)Oh you mean the maybe 5% that's left of it? That would be a real shame.
LetMyPeopleVote
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LetMyPeopleVote
(154,180 posts)Richard D
(9,332 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(154,180 posts)Bibi was supporting trump and hoping that trump win. Now that trump is in charge, Bibi is free to take far more drastic actions.
Link to tweet
This shift in U.S. leadership comes as Arab American support in the 2024 election leaned toward Trump, with 42% favoring him over the Democratic candidate, a stark drop from the nearly 60% who supported Biden in 2020, largely due to discontent with the current administrations Middle East policies, especially concerning Gaza.
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Beastly Boy
(11,098 posts)Nothing antisemitic about it, right?
Uncle Joe
(60,084 posts)sidelining the interests of the Palestinian people to their own homeland while offering MBS good investment opportunity against the wishes of his own finance people.
That set up a ticking time bomb, and even *rump's people knew this, they warned against probable terrorist attacks.
MBS didn't really care about the Palestinian people, the Arab Spring with the possibility of democracy breaking out in the Middle East spooked the journalist hating oligarch.
Biden never reversed that policy and hugged Netanyahu; just as he was devastating Gaza, probably encouraged to do so by his advisers because of the elections here.
Even after the United Nations and virtually any objective observer knew that Netanyahu's government was committing massive war crimes, and breaking U.S. law.
I believe this cost Biden his credibility as an empathizer (which is his strong point) more than anything insofar as the Palestinian people and progressives were concerned.
So Netanyahu wasn't concerned about the consequences of his actions, he could even starve children to death and people that protested against that atrocity would be labeled here as "anti-Semitic" by the corporate media.
Kamala couldn't rebound against those adverse dynamics, lose Michigan or lose Pennsylvania, ultimately it cost her both.
LexVegas
(6,549 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,021 posts)As I said from the jump, these people could give a flying fuck about the Palestinians just their shitty Death to Israel cause.
Even now they shrug at the 2 million, they are just pending martyrdom to impotently waive a bloody shirt about.
They voted and non-voted for the liquidation of those they lied about caring about.
Stop pretending to be Democrats and join the roadkill cook, Tulsi, Muskyass, and Orange Shittler.
Rob H.
(5,563 posts)...and the Biden administration hasn't so much as put a speed bump in his path along the way, unless you count talk of "red lines" as doing something meaningful to stop him.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that the Democratic Party's most devoted constituents wanted to end sales of weapons to Israel, the Biden administration kept sending them."
JAKE JOHNSON
Nov 07, 2024
The Israeli military on Thursday bombarded refugee camps in northern and central Gaza hours after inking a $5.2 billion deal with the United States to acquire more than two dozen F-15 fighter jets made by the American aerospace giant Boeing.
The agreement, part of a broader military aid package approved by the Biden administration and the U.S. Congress earlier this year, was finalized hours after Vice President Kamala Harris lost the 2024 election to Republican nominee Donald Trump following a campaign in which she resisted calls to support an arms embargo against Israel.
(...)
Shortly following the announcement, Israeli forces killed at least 22 people in attacks on the Jabalia refugee camp and Beit Lahiya in northern Gazawhere Israel is engaged in an active campaign of ethnic cleansingand on the Nuseirat refugee camp in the center of the Palestinian territory.
Norwegian Refugee Council secretary-general Jan Egeland, who traveled to areas of northern and central Gaza this week, said in a statement Thursday that the "complete destruction" he witnessed there was "worse than anything I could imagine as a long-time aid worker."
(....)
Full article at link.
Prairie Gates
(2,909 posts)Who will of course take credit for being the peacemaker.
Jk23
(385 posts)WarGamer
(15,298 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(154,180 posts)With trump back in power, Bibi will be free to do what he wants in Gaza
Link to tweet
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/podcasts/2024-11-06/ty-article-podcast/netanyahu-gambled-on-a-trump-presidency-will-it-pay-off/00000193-01b9-dc77-adb3-9bbbf9ee0000
In conversation with Haaretz Podcast host Allison Kaplan Sommer, Harel said that Netanyahu "kept promising total victory, what he actually had was sort of a Forever War. It was not forever, but he was waiting for November, and for January 20 and for his friend Trump to be back in the White House."
What is the Israeli premier hoping to get out of his bet? Harel believes that in renewing the Bibi-Trump bromance, Netanyahu believes he can win U.S. support for measures that will stop his criminal trial - Trump after all, will certainly sympathize - and move ahead with the judicial coup that will damage Israeli democracy.
In the security and military arena, the Israeli leader aspires to achieve "more aggressive goals in the region, whether it's striking Iran or persuading the Americans to strike Iran, or pushing forward against the Palestinians and against Hezbollah and Lebanon."
bdamomma
(66,280 posts)people are going to die.
Cha
(305,173 posts)they listen.. NO
LetMyPeopleVote
(154,180 posts)Cha
(305,173 posts)cilla4progress
(25,862 posts)The current administration
Patton French
(1,129 posts)Why try to incite anger against Israel?