Stop. Think. Plan.

[MineralMan]

Lots of horrified surprise this morning. What to do?

Immediately, do nothing. Just stop. Wait a bit until the acute pain passes. Take as much waiting time as you need.

Then, think about it. What caused this? Why did it happen so surprisingly? What will it mean to me as an individual? What will it mean to my community? Take as much time as you need to sort it all out and get some understanding of it.

Finally, plan. Plan for yourself. Plan for your family and friends. Plan for the future. Plan rationally, with a recognition of the reality of things. Don't just hope. Plan.

That's the best advice I can give this morning.

[Dumpy]

1. REC

Don't be impulsive. Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

[rasputin1952]

101. Don't "hope"

Resist!

Work with like-minded people, and get involved.
In two years 1/3 of the Senate and the entire House needs to be firmly in Democratic hands.

DJT is a coward, as well as a blatant idiot. Non-violent protest at every turn, reminding people of what may happen.
I can't think of many in the Latino Community who wish to see families torn apart, but blocks of them helped put this 'idiot back in power.
I am not casting blame, Caucasians (like me) are to be held to account, as are people from every ethnic group. If it comes down to putting people in "camps" or mass deportations, all of us must work diligently and tirelessly to break that notion down, even if is just a "concept", it needs to be challenged immediately, loudly and with great force (again, nonviolent). Ten thousand people in front of the WH makes an impression, and for a guy who lives on impressions, he'll feel the burn. He'll double-down, and then we triple up!

The Constitution is scorned by this "man", it stands in the way of his path to power, by using it, and the Rule of Law, we can neuter this threat before it gets underway. This is not for the faint-hearted, there is an element of danger, but if you are like me, our Constitution will stand. Without a compliant Congress, and a lot of us hounding our Representatives can change the course of the possibility and keep,this lying piece of crap can be held down.

Make this morons's life as miserable as possible, stand up against him and those who would sell us out.

Stand up, stand tall, stand firmly, and tear this monster down.

Above all, RESIST!

[calimary]

105. A great way to do that (resist, that is) is to FIND YOUR NEAREST INDIVISIBLE GROUP!!!

Do it either later this week, or maybe start fresh EARLY NEXT WEEK.

Knowing what I know (and have seen) from my own Indivisible group, we worked long and hard through this summer and fall to tell the truth, spread the word, and activate people in any way we can, large or small.

REPEAT: IN ANY WAY WE CAN, LARGE OR SMALL !!!

ANY little thing you can do.

ANY Democratic or Indivisible or Progressive group that’s close by or within reason.

You’ll meet new people, make friends and allies, get educated and inspired, and learn about events and activities being planned in you general area or maybe even in or close to your own neighborhood.

THIS NEED NOT BE THE BITTER END!!! The fat lady isn’t even in the building yet, much less out there onstage ready to sing.

It’s NOT TRUE that there’s NOTHING you can do.

[calimary]

106. Ooops! Dupe!

Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:32 AM - Edit history (1)

Sorry about that.

[Clouds Passing]

2. Thank you Mineral Man. Your sound advice is necessary now.

[cayugafalls]

3. Good advice, thank you, sir!

We are already in the planning phase as we like to be prepared.

Hope and work for the best outcome, make side plans for the worst.

This mantra has always made days like tis bearable and semi-stress free.

Hugs all around...

[defacto7]

4. This is the best advice I can imagine.

[angrychair]

5. The plan is simple

We resist. There is no alternative. (NO violence)

[Farmgirl1961]

6. I think we are planning to gradually leave

this county. I cannot and do not want to live here in a Trump regime. Thinking hard about Mexico….

[Keepthesoulalive]

21. There is no place safe

With a madman at the helm of the United States military and no one to stop his impulsiveness.
Without some restraints he is going to set the world on fire.

[cilla4progress]

22. I think if I stay

I will die soon

[hamsterjill]

37. I have the same eerie feeling.

Trying not to be dramatic, but when I saw your post, I realized just how strong that feeling is right now.

[BComplex]

47. Looks like there's a lot of us on that wave length right now.

I feel like I might die of a broken heart. My dad's plane was shot down in WWII over Germany, and he was captured. They had him for almost 2 years when the war finally ended. He never was right, but nobody knew much about PTSD in those days. There was just a lot of alcohol and prescriptions to soothe the pain. It was the nazis.

Now, we're there again. I feel so badly for the rest of the world that refuses to be in on the trump-putin government. I hope they can stay safe. From Trump.

I think mostly he wants to control the citizens of the UUSA (un-united states of America).

[birdographer]

74. Why?

Would you die from feeling hopeless, or is there a reason? Financial?

I see this differently. I'm disgusted, sure. I am wondering just how much damage they will do--we will be contributing to climate change now instead of trying to halt it. He will remove all regulations so our planes will be (even more) unsafe, as will be cars and other things that require some form of quality control. Yes, all this and so much more is going on.

But not in my house. My house is a republican/Taliban-free zone. We are in our 70's and financially fine. We don't travel, we barely drive anywhere but 4 miles to the grocery store (a tank of gas lasts forever). We clean our own house, mow our own lawn. We don't eat that much. Our lives in this house will not (I hope and plan) change much because of this. We are in a small MAGAt-infested town in WNC, but fairly isolated up a one-way dirt road about two tenths of a mile long. Our daily activities do not in any way depend on or reflect the government beyond what everyone else's does. I refuse to give in to this. I will continue to read, knit, watch movies, write email, and do the dreaded housework. My husband will continue to do yardwork, tend to the chickens, read, and play an iPad game.

I think perspective is important. While I enjoy the view of the sand around me, I will remain aware of what is happening above-ground. But this is not going to kill me.

[BonnieJW]

49. My youngest daughter and I are lookin at canada

We both hate hot weather.

[nikatnyte]

56. Canada would be perfect

Except there's no easy way for a U.S. citizen to get full-time residency. Have any thoughts?

[KewlKat]

63. I checked Canada out last night and your correct

Hard to get residency and at my age looks impossible.

[Ysabel]

65. You can live there for a good portion of the year I believe (maybe up to eight or so months)...

My thinking is that one could possibly buy a place up there and then just come back here for a short while and rent it and then go back again...

[hard2figure]

109. Here is how to get permanent residency in Canada

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-p7000-application-permanent-residence-provincial-nominee-class.html

[keep_left]

86. There is a way for those who own businesses to buy their way in.

This is an option for emigration to many countries. However, the dollar amount is rather daunting, or at least it was last time I checked. In addition, Ireland and a few other nations also have a targeted visa/green card program for those who can prove family lineage.

[sagetea]

55. I can't leave..

And I want to so bad! I'm too poor. But the very most I can do is get my daughter and her husband out. I'm thinking right now about what I can sell to see her safely to another place.

And it's hard, because my family has been here since the Mayflower and has fought in every war that involved this country, and all for what?

my mother said to me once that 'This Country has racked up a lot of bad karma, and the time will come when we have to pay for it." maybe she was right...?

sage

[gerryatwork]

78. Not into casting shade

But there is nothing that can stop Trump from invading Mexico or even Canada. There are no longer any checks and balances.

[quakerboy]

97. racism might. harder to deport all Mexicans if you now own mexico

Plus practical matters. Why tf would he invade mexico? What does Mexico have that any of them want?

[jfz9580m]

113. Incidentally Mexico has a pretty cool president right now

Just the type of person Trump would loathe:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Sheinbaum

A scientist by profession, Sheinbaum received her Doctor of Philosophy in energy engineering from the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM). She has authored over 100 articles and two books on energy, the environment, and sustainable development. She contributed to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

How awesome is that? She is probably my favorite politician anywhere at the moment.

Academic career

Sheinbaum studied physics at the National Academic career Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM), where she earned an undergraduate degree in 1989. She earned a master's degree in 1994 and a Ph.D. in 1995 in energy engineering.[17][13][18]

Social issues
Sheinbaum is a self-described feminist, aligning her beliefs and actions with the principles of gender equality and women's rights.[174] She advocates for the legalization of abortion, aligning her stance with broader movements aimed at promoting reproductive rights and autonomy for women.[175] During her leadership in Mexico City, Sheinbaum championed LGBT rights by implementing a gender-neutral policy for school uniforms.[176] In 2022, she became the first Head of Government of Mexico City to attend the city's gay pride march.[177]

Economy
Sheinbaum has criticized the neoliberal economic policies of past presidents of Mexico, arguing that they have contributed to inequality in the country.[178] She has promised to expand welfare under her presidency[179] and intends to continue programs started by López Obrador, such as universal pension.[180]

Environment
Sheinbaum has a background in environmental policy, having served as Minister of the Environment for Mexico City and worked on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC),[181] which would go on to win her a Nobel Peace Prize.[182] In her tenure as Minister of the Environment, she saw a marked reduction in air pollution and created community ecological reserves.[183] She has both spoken in favor of clean energy and support of oil, having praised PEMEX (the nation's state-owned oil company).[184]

If Trump invaded Mexico the Dems should totally steal her .

[Magoo48]

7. Yup, already planning.

Strong, steady, consistent resistance.
Strengthen communities of family and friends.
Resist with hard earned dollars.

[onlyadream]

8. Was it really a surprise?

The polls were all slated for Trump, but we lie to ourselves saying "no it's a lie".
My neighbors and friends are all Trumpers, and there is literally NOTHING you can say to them to move the needle even a tiny bit, and some are EDUCATED people I went to college with.
The first debate we all had a sick feeling, but Kamala was a breath of fresh air that ONLY we could breathe in. She preached pretty much to the base (not completely but for the most part). She did run an excellent campaign, but was no match for racism and people who think they're not getting their fair share.
Trump is a business man/sales man who knows how to rile up emotional anger and fear, and then tell people what they want to hear (and a salesman knows that people hear what they want). The people leaving his rallies were not leaving because they didn't support him. They heard it before and decided to do something else with their time. That's it! We lie to ourselves.

Dems need to wise up. We do this all the damn time. When the Muller report was a thing, we all thought "this is it!" and it wasn't. We continuously lie to ourselves, because we believe what we want to believe. We don't seem to see the big picture when it comes to getting votes.

[LeftInTX]

67. They were leaving his rallies to avoid traffic jams.

There is too much interpretation and reading of "tea leaves" of mundane behavior.

[keep_left]

89. It took the bombing of Dresden to disabuse many Germans of their love...

...for fascism. That's something to think about.

It's not like we weren't warned--we have been for decades now. Last night, I recommended three works by writer/historian Morris Berman as well as an old Fromm classic, Escape From Freedom.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219662986#post58
https://morrisberman.substack.com

[hunter]

96. I worked for someone who survived that, but only because her parents had sent her off to Greece...

... just weeks before, for safekeeping.

My grandfather made some of the hell that rained down on Dresden. He never talked about it.

[Skittles]

100. it was not a surpise to me

they were never gonna let Hillary be president so no, a black female president was out of the question

but I am a veteran, I will NEVER abandon my country to fascism - NEVER

[onlyadream]

117. Unfortunately, we can only run a woman if they are running a woman.

We have to get our head out of our asses because that’s just the way it is.

[MiHale]

9. Absolutely correct...

We have some time yet. I used to believe that things can’t happen overnight…now I’m not so sure. But the devil is still outside the house for the time being.

Take a deep breath, dry your eyes…plan it out.

I’m taking a little solace in that I hope he enacts his plan quickly…no Social Security doesn’t only affect Dems…lose of Medical Insurance (ACA) doesn’t only affect Dems.

The fuck around portion of this is finished now we’re in the find out stage. Doesn’t only affect Dems. Ignorance has a high price they won’t plan but we must. They will die in their own dirt.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

10. I am likewise giving serious thought to moving elsewhere.

I am more grateful than ever that I have no grandchildren to live in this awful world.

[rainin]

43. me, too. said the same this morning. thank god our kids haven't had kids yet

[Bumbles]

51. I'm glad my son doesn't want to have children.

[Alliepoo]

52. I wish I could do the same.

Mr Poo would never entertain moving out of country but I am going to encourage my daughter and her family to give a hard look at Canada. I do not want my grandchildren growing up in this country.

[Ocelot II]

11. Think, plan, resist peacefully by finding ways to support the people

who are doing the heavy lifting, at this point our remaining Democratic elected officials; maybe get involved with a charity or some organization that helps the people most likely to be harmed soonest and worst. Donate to the ACLU or the Southern Poverty Law Center; they'll need all the help they can get. And do some things that make you feel good so you don't hurt and worry all the time. We're alive and we aren't powerless even though it feels that way right now. Most of all, don't give in to despair. Nothing gets done that way and you'll feel even shittier. Resist.

[MineralMan]

26. Yes, exactly.

Nothing is going to happen immediately. Power does not shift until January of 2025. There is time to think long and hard about the best steps to take in each individual situation.

[Bird Lady]

12. I blame Merit Garland for this

If he had just done his job we would not be here now.

[Tribetime]

15. I've been thinking that since last night

[MineralMan]

28. No individual is to blame for this. Nope.

Further, assigning blame does nothing to help you deal with what has happened and is likely to happen.

[Magoo48]

81. Right, plenty of blame to go around with a bunch left over for us all to share if we're so inclined.

Blame is a time consuming journey to nowhere. Resentment is unhealthy. It’s like taking poison and waiting for someone else to die.

What can I do here and not to strengthen the bonds of family, friends, and community.

[orangecrush]

118. Truth

[AZSkiffyGeek]

35. It wouldn't have made any difference

He could’ve been convicted in 2021 stalled and appealed and still run and won.
It’s always been up to the voters. And cis men have decided they don’t want a woman in charge.

[MayReasonRule]

44. Not This CIS Man... Nor Any Of The Other Millions Of CIS Men That Voted For Harris...

Including each and every CIS man that participates within Democratic Underground.

Please don't label any sexual orientation including any CIS gender as being responsible for the downfall of our democracy.

It is the individuals that are fascists.
It is not just one slice of humanity's sexual spectrum.

I'm in Louisiana and we're surrounded by fascists.
Our entire state is ruled by them.

And now our nation...

I and all the rest of the CIS men that are proud Democratic Party members are like you, fighting for our very survival.

Let's stick together as brothers and sisters...
Let's not tear each other asunder for being the human that we are.

[MineralMan]

70. I'm a cis man, and I strongly supported Kamala Harris.

Your paintbrush is too wide.

[hamsterjill]

40. Totally agree.

Garland is the “James Comey” of the 2024 election.

[mn9driver]

61. He might get his Supreme Court nomination after all.

[hard2figure]

108. Clarence Thomas is the oldest SC Justice at 76

...so he is the most likely one to retire next.

[bdamomma]

13. Thank you MineralMan

We have what 76 days to plan.

[Tribetime]

14. Ty

[Jrsygrl96]

16. Can there be a plan

if we don’t have the means to leave the country?

[orangecrush]

24. Become as inconspicuous as possible

I've gotten rid of my FB and Twitter already.

I'm cancelling subscriptions to progressive emails as much as possible (difficult, as there are so many).

That's just me. At least until I get some idea of how bad this is gonna get.

Hanging on here to the last minute, it's hard to leave my friends.

[GenThePerservering]

79. So. You're "obeying in advance"

and giving up your rights just like that?

[orangecrush]

91. ...

[orangecrush]

92. Forgive me for laughing

Your question is sincere and valid.

My friend, I have been involved in progressive politics since age 14, when I went door to door with adults for George McGovern. I am 66 now.
I have always been outspoken about my beliefs.
I have been put on enemies lists by various right wing groups.
It made finding employment difficult at times, particularly during the Bush years.
During that time, I had my family harassed and threatened.
I was stalked.
I took a fuck you attitude toward that and it only made me fight harder.
I manned the phones for Bill, Hillary, and Obama, and Joe. I have engaged in countless debates with right wingers in open forums.
I wore the target these bastards painted on my back as an emblem of pride. And I survived to see this.

This is different.

Please don't chide me about "obeying in advance".

This site is called "Democratic Underground".

I doubt you are old enough to remember where the usage of the term "underground" originated, or what it meant during times like the Nixon administration.
There is a time to "go underground", to survive to fight in the shadows.

That time has, in my opinion, arrived.

[orangecrush]

27. Also, as MM said previously

Get your "real ID" driver's license if you can and a passport.

When they start mass deportations/incarcerations, they will likely "accidentally" put democrats on the lists.

You want to have proof you don't belong on it.

[MineralMan]

33. That kind of relocation is a desperation move.

Relocation might make sense for some, but it doesn't have to be to some other country. In the first place, not all countries are looking for immigrants from the USA. Many countries have problems that are equally bad or even worse in comparison with our potential problems.

That is not the first option I'd consider. Relocation to a different state might be a reasonable option for some. Moving to a different country, however, is probably not the best idea, generally.

[hamsterjill]

41. I wish this could really happen.

All of us like minded migrate to the same area. But I don’t see it as actually feasible.

[markie]

17. Thank you

we must help each other now

[mindfulNJ]

18. Husband and I and adult son are looking to leave

if at all possible. I would also love my daughter, son-in-law and 7 year old grandson to come to, but picking up everything and leaving is daunting to say the least. The thought of my sweet innocent grandson being assimilated into the MAGAnazi regime that is about to come down upon us is too much to bear. I've been crying ALL NIGHT.

Any advice for become expats would be greatly appreciated.

Hugs to all who need it on this sad morning.

[orangecrush]

19. Plan

As in plan to GTFO of this vicious, hateful country if at all possible.

Your advice to get real ID and a passport, if possible, was the most sane and valuable advice I've ever seen given here.

[jfz9580m]

20. Good advice.nt

[TBF]

23. Sound advice -

as far as the practical aspect. In terms of theory, it is back to the classics.

[NoMoreRepugs]

25. Circle your wagons, family first is my thinking.

[wryter2000]

31. Yup

Do what you can to keep yourself and your loved ones safe.

[electric_blue68]

29. Well, that's nice for the people who are healthy enough, and have enough $$ to leave

[MineralMan]

34. I said nothing about leaving. Nope.

[electric_blue68]

36. Other posters did here, and that's who I was generally addressing

Apologies to you, though

[NCDem47]

30. I had a trip to Maui planned for next week. Oh...I'm going!

But LOTS of long walks on the beach to contemplate. Come back ready to make moves. Not the holiday I was expecting, but I'll make the most out of it.

[cksmithy]

32. Thank you, good advice.

[MayReasonRule]

38. Don't hope. Plan.

I agree.

Hope is based upon what one desires to be true...

Instead of hope... I merely acknowledge my desires and work towards achieving them one step at a time.

This is so fucked.

[lark]

39. How do you plan to have Medicare and Social Security stolen when you are retired?

I'm in my 70's and dont think I could work full time anymore, even IF someone would hire me - which isn't happening after not working for 8 years. I only get about $500/mo. in pensions and there's no way I could live on that when our electric and water bill is around $250/month in the hot FL summer which lasts forever. Hubs is working part time now, but planned on retiring in Jan. Now the earliest he can retire is the end of Aug. - if the age hasn't been raised before then - because you know for sure tcf will do that.

It's hard to plan when you don't know exactly when or what the changes will be, just that we will get fucked to the max. We already live fairly frugally, but guess the occasional night out at a good restaurant will be a thing of the past. Guess I will have to look into trying to grow my own pot - but have no idea where to get seeds these days. I certainly won't be able to afford it and don't know what I'd substitute for the anxiety and sleep for which I need this?

I just don't know how we will survive this? I love our house and neighborhood, and love our river view and my sister is moving 2 blocks from me and I have a great husband and great pets - so we are set up better than lots of folks. But we are good under this system where we get Social Security and Medicare - not good if we don't have these and don't see a way to survive well without them.

We can hunker down, spend less, get all medical stuff done ASAP, save more and hope it's enough. Doesn't sound good at all, and may not be enough - but it's all we have. Luckily we own our house free and clear so as long as we can pay the taxes we will have that. That's the best I've got.

[Cheezoholic]

42. This!!!!!! n/t

[joshcryer]

83. +1

[shireen]

45. There are different levels of planning

We can look out for ourselves and each other. We can take initiative in our own communities.

But at a larger scale, we need leadership from the party. I hope they are getting some rest, doing a post-mortem with their best political minds, and will come back roaring with a new plan of attack for 2026/2028.

[MineralMan]

46. That is very true. I'm only talking about individual planning, though.

The party? It is made up of individuals. If you want to help, there's always something to do in political parties. It's not just a matter of "they," but can also be "us" if you choose. Get yourself set up with an individual plan, and then get involved with the party if you choose.

[SomedayKindaLove]

48. Not really sure how to plan for what is coming

Any hints?

[MineralMan]

50. Well, everyone has different needs and ideas.

I don't think anyone else can plan for you. Assess your own needs and goals and make a plan.

[KS Toronado]

53. I hope Biden & Co. had plans ready to deal with this situation if it happened.

TSF will destroy this Country as we know it, plus he'll want to send his employer our Army, Navy &
Air Force to fight against Ukraine. Our allies will not look favorably upon TSF in the White House.

[Bluethroughu]

54. I keep passing out...

The stress is too much.

[the_liberal_grandpa]

57. My plan is to

Step away from the media. They will report each and every lie and ridiculous things he says and I really don't want to get dragged down by them anymore.

[Felicita]

80. Yes, definitely no media for me for a long time.

I block it all out after the 2016 election, and it helped a lot.
I'm also looking into leaving, but it's hard with a daughter in high school. Canada is difficult without a family connection, but I read that Ireland can be a reasonably easy transition.

[Dem4life1234]

99. I will not watch any new media

[benfranklin1776]

58. Sound advice! Thank you.

Mr. Nance amplifies the need for that coping mechanism:

https://open.substack.com/pub/malcolmnance/p/a-trump-victory-if-so-break-glass?r=lo5ex&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

[Trueblue Texan]

59. From the stories I'm hearing...

Trump garnered far mor Latino votes than in the past. This seems like Latinos were hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot in this election. When the deportations begin, will Trump be further depleting and/or alienating his base and will it matter if this was the last fair election?

But yes, time to rest.

[Mariana]

68. They must not believe he'll deport any Latino US citizens.

That's the only explanation I can come up with.

[JustBeGood]

60. Initial thoughts this morning

I have been going over this since aropund 1:00 AM when I saw it slipping away. Thought we survived 2016-2020 (barely) it will be shitty but doable. But keep think of P2025 and how I need to plan now. 76 days....

Broke it down into 3 groups:

HEALTH:
Get any needed vaccines.
Get any health items looked at now.
Routine checkup.
Research home pharmacy solutions

FINANCIAL
Keep stocks or move to FDIC insured?
Keep more cash on hand. Not possible for all.
Buy any items now (TV's appliances etc.) before Tariff's kick in.
Buy rice and flour; staple food items.
Cut out all unneeded expenses, subscriptions.
Car maintenance before Tariffs

SAFETY
Update passport, ID's and any needed 'papers'.
Drive my LGBTQ son to work and back.
Keep him doing remote University.
Buying more ammo (which is scaring me). If it gets that bad....we will move to the UK.
Stay alert to local news, look for trends in hate crimes etc.
Doesn't sound like everyone can, but move to a bluer part of your state if there is one.
Try local Dem headquarters and see about starting a private group to keep in touch.

Moving out of your state only deletes our votes and the electoral college numbers, same with moving out of country.

Sorry this is pretty dark.

[Roc2020]

62. Dark but necessary

[Evolve Dammit]

64. Its reality; thank you 🙏

[Grammy23]

66. We have the means to leave

And I have repeatedly talked of leaving if tRump got back in. Husband is against it. Besides…where would we go? Not easy to contemplate, especially if one of us is not on board….yet.

Additionally, I have a health issue that suddenly came up a few days ago. I’m going for further testing this afternoon. I must focus on that because it could be very serious. I am a 33+ year breast cancer survivor so I am familiar with the meat grinder you fall in with a serious diagnosis. Think good thoughts for me as I look into the wheels of that grinder — hoping I don’t have to enter. I’m nervous but not terrified.

[area51]

107. Best wishes

I'll keep you in my prayers.

[FirstLight]

69. I'm in California

I feel like we are screwed more than anybody else because he's going to come for us...

My greatest fear is losing my health care. I have a severe autoimmune disease and have to take my medicine to keep it in remission. If I lose that, I'm toast. I'm 55 and can barely move and function as it is.

feel like it's not going to get any better

I also feel like why should I even bother with anything? Any of my plans for the future? I was trying to finish school. What's the point?

[Magoo48]

77. I delighted I live here. Last time we were quick to make laws of support for our citizens.

There are a lot of mountains and deserts between us and DC.
I like it here and will do everything I can to fuck with any fascist bullshit.
I’m old and not inclined to run far away from my family and friends. So, fuck nazis.

[Silver Gaia]

110. We are in California, too,

and we are damn glad we are here. Did you see Newsom's statement today? It was strong. He and our state assembly and others stand between us and Trump. I feel more protected and insulated here than I would in many other places in this country where I've lived in the past.

When I am feeling truly afraid, I like to remember this quote from Frank Herbert's Dune and it comforts me.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

I hope this helps. You are not alone. Don't give up.

[oldmanlynn]

71. I just want to know how did the Harris campaign not know they were behind

It’s pretty obvious that they were behind it all the states and how did they not know and how did they not throw up the red flags? How did they not communicate that to people and I don’t know if they could’ve but I’m just so confused on that.

[MineralMan]

73. I don't know that it was obvious.

However, they campaigned hard in those states. The vote, however, did not go their way. That all seven states went for Trump was very unexpected. I'm not sure what they could have done other than what they did to campaign.

[Zeitghost]

75. They knew

The real denial was in blue bubble communities like here on DU where people refused to believe the polls were anything but propaganda.

The base was shored up and motivated, we lost in not being able to get moderate swing voters to come out. Which is something the Trump campaign was able to do.

[CaptainTruth]

72. Wise words, thank you.

[MineralMan]

76. Just basic crisis strategy, really.

I'm still in the thinking stage. I think that Trump cannot end Medicare on his own, and that Congress will not let him do that. Even Republicans have to answer to their constituents on that subject.

I live in a good state, Minnesota, so I don't think I have to move anywhere. I need to think about where my money is, though, and make sure it can't be touched by anyone. I'm thinking about that now. I'm going to stay in the background on social media, because I've been doing that for quite some time. I'm an old white guy living in a house that is paid for, so that's not something I plan to change.

Everything, though, is subject to consideration. That's the key in crisis planning.

[gay texan]

82. The VA benifits is what truly scares me

Mom and Dad would be homeless without them

[MineralMan]

84. That's another one that may be untouchable.

I'm not sure, though, about it. I don't use any VA benefits, so I haven't looked into that.

[joshcryer]

85. MineralMan, Sir, There Is No Plan. We are fucked.

I myself have 2 months left to get my teeth taken care of. After that who knows what budget passes.

[SupportSanity]

87. Two months to go for health care taking up various health issues. But almost quit today. I stopped.

I have lots of vacation time to take and will start with that.

I had lots of plans for next year - have made investments in those plans - now scrapped.

Vacation is starting to sound really good.

De-compress.

The awfulness of it all..........

[pandr32]

88. Sound advice, but how do we plan?

All I know is that while we still have Biden in the White House it may be time to change all our account passwords and shut down all social media. There will be less protection. There is already a daily menace of account dupes trying to trick us.
For those who need expensive medications for health issues, how do they plan? Our healthcare may be cut.
I just finished Navalny's 'Patriot' and it is clear what corruption does to everything people need to get by. Putin will now have a hand in our lives. He retaliates against anyone who stands up to him and his corrupt officials. Certainly, tRump will follow suit.
Everyone's pensions, SS, Veteran's benefits, Medicare and Medicaid will be at risk.
Food prices and medications will become even more expensive if available at all.
Climate change will not be addressed and the monster storms and disasters will continue to grow.
I could go on, but all I see is hardship for those of us who aren't wealthy and above the fray.
How do we plan?

[MineralMan]

90. I can't answer your question.

It's an individual thing, as always. Not simple. Not easy. Not a one-size-fits-all situation.

You have to plan for you. You might find help here and there, but only if you're willing to share the details of your situation.

[pandr32]

95. Thank you.

[Beringia]

93. Do you still go by these declarations from Oct 17

I believe he is shutting down and can no longer handle a speech or appearance. With less than three weeks to go, I don't think we're going to see Donald Trump at a microphone again.

I believe he is done. Finished. Out of it. Incapable of even making a public appearance any longer.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219576267

[MineralMan]

94. Obviously not.

Clearly, I was wrong. Thanks for finding that and asking.

[Lulu KC]

98. Why are we doing this?

Not following your intention here at all.

[yardwork]

104. I posted a few days ago that I was sure Kamala would win.

I was sure she would win most of the swing states and maybe even some surprises. I felt confident we would retake the House and hold the Senate. I was wrong, very wrong.

This is a discussion board. We post our opinions, hopes, and beliefs.

I'm not sure why you're picking on MM for a post he made back in October. His assessment seemed pretty reasonable at the time. A lot of of people have counted Trump down and out but he keeps coming back.

[leighbythesea2]

102. Thank you for this post

Very helpful.
Fiscal/financial any advice is appreciated.
Many years ago, like 20, a friend who had a lot of money, but liked to stay very under the radar-told me to get a Swiss bank acct.
it’s seemed wild, incredible, bc at that time he advised I fly there. There was no internet of investing then. I didn’t do it.
However, one thing he said, I did manage. I bought silver. It’s gone up, but it’s still not terrible per ounce. It’s reasonably portable, and is a bit of a store of assets, that I feel comfortable with. I use Kitco.com if anyone has interest. You can sign up for a “pool” acct. conversion is into coins, or bars.

As for other aspects, some good advice here.

[yardwork]

103. Excellent advice.

[Hekate]

111. KnR dear friends

[beemerphill]

112. Good Idea

This is great advice for almost every situation that arises in life. There are times when you must trust your first impulse, but it is usually a better idea to think things through and make a plan.

[2naSalit]

114. Indeed!

The only positive for me in this situation is that I started planning back during the pandemic. I sort of put them on hold when Biden was elected but now the plans are back on because I can't remain where I am in magatland now reinforced by this election.

[Marthe48]

115. Saw this on fb

From Dana Johnson:
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A few reality checks and considerations with the election results given the winning party’s platform:
1. If you have a child who will enter college in 2-3 years, plan on very few grants and high interest loans (and less availability of financial options). A push towards trades.
2. Defunding the Dept. Of Education will privatize all schooling. This means that if public schools are to stay funded, your local taxes will go up. There will be teacher shortages, and the literacy rates and education attainment will decrease.
3. Deportation of immigrants whether waiting on nationalization or citizenship, or living without documentation will severely leave holes unfilled in the labor market. Services and products that rely on these jobs will skyrocket prices (think anything in produce or farming, meat processing, construction, and of course all areas of the service, and travel industry).
4. States rights will matter the most. Plan to determine the landscape of your own state, because what may be legal or regulated in one, could be vastly different in another (beyond what already exists).
5. The war with Ukraine will end shortly and it will face a win by Russia. Be mindful that this will be unchecked power that will be tested during the next presidency, not this one.
6. The economy is currently headed in a positive direction. It will continue for at least 1, maybe 2 years. But the squeeze will come in year 3 and you should be prepared.
7. Contraception in all forms will be eliminated. Be prepared for more children born in the United States and the costs that will be passed down due to healthcare, loss of parents in the job market having to remain at home, and no additional childcare options. The ripples will mean higher funding for social service programs, increases to the number of children in the child welfare system, and yes, this means all of us locally will pay more taxes to fund these mandated requirements.
Good, bad, ugly; doesn’t matter, the popular vote has decided this is what it wanted. I wish us all the best and may love be at the center as you navigate the ripple effect. Peace be with you.

[deepthought42]

116. Thank you, MineralMan!

Words we all need right now. I can't keep going on being so terrified and hopeless. BF and I are focusing on ourselves and whatever plans we may need to make.

Other than that, keep your head down, take a break, and find little ways to resist.