Nothing would have changed this outcome! It's not Kamala's fault. It's not Joe's fault. It's not Tim's fault.

[tulipsandroses]

As democrats, we default to see the good in people. It's our nature. We thought, this time, people will do better. Reality check. They were never going to be better or do better for any other Democratic candidate.

Looking at all the people that we think are the future of the party, none of them would have fared differently.
Gretchen Whitmer? A woman. A mouthy woman
Secretary Pete? A gay man - you know the rest
Josh Shapiro? He's a jew - if you think the GOP would not have rolled in anti semitic garbage, think again.
Gavin Newsom? California Liberal - look at all the crime and lawlessness in CA
Wes Moore? A black man. Nuff said

The media gave the GOP a huge assist by wounding Joe Biden.

This was always going to be our fate.

There were several factors. Too much to overcome in 3 months. America is not exceptional.
We are fond of saying, This is not us. It is us. From the racists, misogynists to the people who will say they are voting on the economy, but don't mind women dying if it means they can get 99 cent eggs. Which they won't. It is us.

[malaise]

1. Sadly

You are correct

[hlthe2b]

2. Yes. A lot of factors but one major one: our sanewashing bothsiderism MSM and lies on social media.

The MSM will never take responsibility for their role, but it was a BIG one. And... I don't just mean Fox and other RW media.

[LAS14]

9. Baloney. nt

[hlthe2b]

10. You think the MSM reported both Harris and Trump equally and accurately? Really? No lies on social media? Really?

Baloney back at YOU-- that is really rude.

And you must be really sheltered if you think my point is not valid.

[Wingus Dingus]

3. Sometimes you just can't reach people, or the economic/cultural headwinds

can't be overcome. That's what I feel about yesterday.

[Marigold]

4. This is spot on

Perfect analysis. Tough to admit we were doomed from the beginning.

[Emile]

5. We have a huge population of stupid people.

That's the only thing I can come up with.

[LAS14]

8. Plus a surprisingly large dose of hateful people.

[hlthe2b]

11. Yet you told me that everything the MSM--including Fox reported was fair and accurate. No bias, no sanewashing...

and no Russian (and other promulgated) lies on social media. To suggest otherwise (in your words) is "baloney."

I guess all those hate-filled voters just thought it all up on their own coincidentally.

[LAS14]

16. I don't count Fox and the term MSM equivalent. And, of course, I never said "everything" was OK. nt

[hlthe2b]

17. Maybe instead of posting "baloney" to others, consider a polite explanatation of disagreement

such as this in the future. I don't know why you think I deserved that earlier, but perhaps you might avoid doing so with others.

[hlthe2b]

19. I did not specify Fox in my original post either. I said MSM were a problem with bias and their frequent

bothsiderism approach and that social media had promulgated lies. So too had some MSM. And your response (no explanation, no discussion, no comment of specific disagreement but just a rude retort. I get that we are all upset today and we certainly will "dissect" the loss and the reasons why differently. Still, disagree at will but I am not deserving of your original response.

[lees1975]

6. Are we sure that push to get Joe out wasn't instigated by Trump's cronies?

[Maru Kitteh]

14. Nobody mourned Joe's exit more than Trump. So no, I don't think so. I think

we must face the fact that this is a backwards, hateful country. It is. It was the misogyny. It was the racism. It was the hate.

[LAS14]

7. What we've learned is that there are simply more evil or ignorant...

... people in this country than good, common-sensical ones.

[Zeitghost]

12. This was a party failure

We collectively avoided the issue of Biden's reelection until it was too late, then tried to make a last minute correction. The tough conversations should have happened a year ago or more prior to the primaries allowing our nominee to be chosen through a democratic process. Instead they happened in June/July when it was too late. VP Harris never had great numbers during her term, she did very poorly in the 2020 primaries and has never won a race outside of California. Add in the circumstances surrounding her nomination and it was never going to work with moderates and swing voters. They just stayed home and in some cases, voted Trump.

[customerserviceguy]

21. Dean Phillips tried to tell us.

but we didn't want to listen.

[Metaphorical]

13. I disagree

I don't think most people out there are good or evil. They are reacting to what they see, and what they see at this point has been barraged by a battery of social media lies (I'm including the MSM in this), mainly with the collusion of the billionaires in this country who were afraid that they would have to give up a lot of their wealth and power if Biden, then Harris, got into office.

This has been the plan all along. Harris SCARED them. She was popular, and they couldn't get traction against her any other way. This is why they were so desperate to get states called early. This is why they've been hammering both of them with Gaza in particular.

I made the comment a few days ago that Harris ran one of the most perfect campaigns I've ever seen. In any other situation, she would have won handily, especially against someone most people truly despise. I smell something truly rotten, and it's not just Trumps pants.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

15. Bro nation

we are not even close to as evolved as we could be.

Joe Rogan and Elon Musk two very flawed individuals and not deep thinkers in the least had more influence on this election then a lower middle class person who worked at Mcdonalds(nobody lies bout that) and passed the bar and was the biggest state's top attorney and won a Senate seat and was eloquent and picked a sane VP and destroyed the Bro's favorite 78 year menace felon...how long before JD is in charge

Trump voters should be required to read project 2025, so they know exactly what they were voting for(the rest of us already knew), but that might be too hard.... "learning is hard"

[tulipsandroses]

18. The bro culture definitely played its role. The backlash against a black president gave us trump 1.0

The backlash against women gave us trump 2.0.

I don't even think it would matter if they read Project 2025. They live in a delusional world where only their " perceived enemies" will be hurt.

[hlthe2b]

20. True. But Trump 1.0 was backlash against both a black President and the first woman candidate for President.

I remember my pride in Obama's first election which many of us thought impossible. Now, I wonder if even a black male could be elected again but certainly that continues for all women.

[tulipsandroses]

22. Someone on MSNBC yesterday said they feared that this will make the Democratic Party less progressive.

We may not see minority candidates rise in the future, we won't nominate them out of fear of losing. That would be very sad. I hope that is not the case.

[hlthe2b]

23. Devastating, for sure. I think of that 110 yo woman who so desperately wanted to vote yesterday and think...

hell, I may never see a woman elected in my lifetime. Sigh...

[Vinca]

24. I blame the voters who are too lazy to investigate the candidates and opted for the one who put on

the better "show" in their eyes. What a surprise it will be when that "show" turns out to be a prelude for taking more rights away from them.