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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBiden has two months of unchecked power per SCOTUS. Should he use it? If so, how?
I think he should grant immediate amnesty/pardons for anyone the right deems to be here illegally. Make them legal residents.
I'm not going to advocate for Biden to do anything that is illegal; but the above action is well within traditional presidential powers.
RidinWithHarris
(790 posts)I know Biden won't act on this, but he's got a whole lot more than "traditional presidential powers" at the moment.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)They said that many of the things he could try would be immune from criminal prosecution. But they would still be clearly illegal and subject to court intervention to stop them, immediately if necessary.
MayReasonRule
(1,938 posts)I am not a statesman thus I hesitate to articulate for fear that I may deviate from the true course of rectitude.
I am confident that Biden is a statesman surrounded by equally competent statesmen that do not suffer fools gladly.
Reason will never desist in it's fight against delusion and malevolence, because reason knows that it's absence within the fight, delusion and malevolence will always rule.
May reason rule.
Baitball Blogger
(48,431 posts)Unwind Your Mind
(2,163 posts)Bobstandard
(1,711 posts)I dont know how he could do it but this is way up my wish list.
(Theres a good chance theyre ( Biden & Harris) gaming how to avoid future prosecutions and will make some kind of deal to not rock the boat).
Omnipresent
(6,482 posts)By executive order.
Let maga try to put that genie back in the bottle.
tritsofme
(18,708 posts)Its not a magic wand.
EarlG
(22,634 posts)Trump will just exercise HIS unchecked power as soon as he arrives in office, and undo everything.
shanti
(21,720 posts)We're screwed.
Horse with no Name
(34,076 posts)Thats my thought
HereForTheParty
(288 posts)nm
AkFemDem
(2,194 posts)There actually ARE a lot of cartel criminals here illegally- as Kamala Harris has said many times in her rally speeches. I dont want those fuckers given immunity.
The Dreamers are another story- just fix that shit now.
MayReasonRule
(1,938 posts)Regardless of who won the presidency or control of the Senate.
We are going to use the lame duck to confirm judges. And were going to do everything we can to get as many judges done as possible, trying to overcome the Republican obstruction, Schumer told NBC News in a recent interview.
This is from Oct. 5, 2024, on NBC News online
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/president-poised-inherit-fewest-judicial-vacancies-generations-rcna169049
Perhaps that is something that will be done.
lees1975
(6,101 posts)But why does a lawless country need judges? We had an attorney general and he didn't do squat.
MayReasonRule
(1,938 posts)Time will tell.
Here's to each of us making our way in life and finding our way towards life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Here's to not letting the fascist bastards keep us down.
2naSalit
(93,448 posts)Protect the Constitution and the People of this country. If that means locking up someone, no matter who, he can do it just like -45 said he would to to Biden. Though Biden probably wouldn't recommend torture while in custody.
GaYellowDawg
(4,892 posts)It would be different if we'd won and there was a clear danger. But we lost. It wouldn't be just the leaders we'd be fighting. It'd be the country. We're outnumbered, we don't have the billionaires, we don't have the propaganda machine, we don't have the churches, and we apparently don't have the ability to recruit enough new voters.
I can't and won't speak for any of you. But my plan is to shut up, hunker down, and hope that I haven't posted in enough places and spaces for the knock to come on my door in the early hours.
We tried, but they started in the 90's, established a massive propaganda machine, wrecked public education, enlisted the churches, and now they have an unbeatable coalition of a) the evil, b) the stupid, c) the greedy, and d) all of the above (e.g., fundamentalists). They played the long game, and they have won.
Regimes never last forever. Dynastic Egypt fell. Democratic Rome fell. The Roman Empire fell. Incas and Aztecs fell. The Catholic Church fell from power. The Soviet Union fell. The democratic United States has now fallen. The authoritarian version will, too. And since I cannot change the authoritarian U.S. and I cannot leave it, I will have to learn to live in it.
Orrex
(64,323 posts)Might as well, because Trump will.
Trueblue1968
(18,258 posts)Sorry people, I am not myself.
I am today a lunatic.
onenote
(44,805 posts)The whole point of immunity is that it prevents a president from being criminally prosecuted for unlawful acts. But it doesn't make them lawful and it doesn't prevent the courts from intervening to reverse and enjoin unlawful acts nor does it mean the numerous officials who would have to carry out these unlawful acts would do so simply because the president can't go to jail for ordering them.
LonePirate
(13,918 posts)The Constitution gives him the right to issue pardons and such. The Fifth Amendment protects people from being prosecuted/punished for crimes they have been cleared (or pardoned).
The difference is that SCOTUS will block anything illegal that Biden does. They will not block anything illegal that Trump does.
Polybius
(18,365 posts)LonePirate
(13,918 posts)Polybius
(18,365 posts)SoCalDavidS
(10,599 posts)More than half this country is willing to vote for someone as VILE as him, and reject a decent, intelligent candidate like Kamala.
All this Bullshit about "our message" is just that. More than half the country couldn't care less about our "message." He had none, and he still won the election. Fuck this country.
haele
(13,648 posts)It will take another 4-6 years to put an agenda in place and for the US version of Putin to rise to the front.
Right now, he's a petty Upper-Mid level Bureaucrat or the "go to" Operations Manager with contacts in several factions - may be in the Heritage Foundation or "Federalist" Society, or any number of conservative think tanks. But whomever he will be, he knows almost everyone who's important behind Project ,2025, and he's not stupid.
The leaders - the Radical Conservatives, Tech Bros, Finance Bois, Media moguls, Evangelicals - they're going to start fighting each other for the chance to drive the Government cart. And they all believe in a zero-sum game.
Haele
ck4829
(36,123 posts)alarimer
(16,644 posts)Just make it all public. All the sordid details. I realize this may not matter to his voters (who he insulted right to their faces).
boston bean
(36,529 posts)They were performing official facts.
Groundhawg
(1,001 posts)LonePirate
(13,918 posts)Just like a Republican House will not impeach Trump for any of the litany of illegal acts he will start committing on 1/20.
BlueKota
(3,727 posts)the lives of all that will be targeted, but he won't. Our side will still be trying to play by the rule book long after the other side has burned their copy to ashes.
Not meaning to be so negative, but I don't see how we can stop the worst from happening now.
The thing that really is making me most upset. I kept telling people what he was in 2016 and their only response was I was listening to too much news and doomsday prophesying. Now a lot of them are saying damn you were right. No shit Sherlock. Saying that now doesn't help them or me. It's fucking too late.
Hotler
(12,388 posts)Save your family Joe.
GenThePerservering
(2,675 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)If you are not advocating for doing anything illegal then there is no point in talking about immunity.
Deminpenn
(16,347 posts)could do is have DoJ revoke Musk's naturalized citizenship since we now know Musk worked in the US illegally while on his temporary visa, then have him deported. Once that happened, it's possible DoD and/or NASA could terminate his govt contracts.
He should pardon Hunter, too.
TlalocW
(15,632 posts)You know Trump is in there.
Tribetime
(6,418 posts)A political rival.