We lost. It's time to accept it.

[iemanja]

The complaining about the election being fixed is ridiculous. Trump won because Democratic states voted for him. Those Dem states did not help Trump cheat. When Trump couldn't handle a loss, he lied. HIs followers bought into those lies and actually believed them. And now some Democrats want to show the same traits. Is that really who you want to be?

This was a rout for the GOP. People made up stories about Harris supposedly winning in landslide: the polls showed a close race, but rather than dealing with data people presented their fantasies as fact. They didn't just say, "I'd like her to win in a landslide." Instead, they insisted, as though they knew with certainty, that she was going to smash it and then pounced on people who disagreed. Well, they were wrong, so now some are complaining that the election was rigged rather than admitting their errors.

Harris never claimed it would be a blowout, but people on social media certainly did. How many voters stayed home because they were told Harris would win big? How many people voted third party because they thought Harris would win anyway? I hope people take their responsibilities more seriously next time. Y'all were right about one thing: the polls were off, only not in the way people claimed. They underestimated Trump's support, just as they did in 2016.

America hates women. The anti-abortion movement showed us that. That people twice voted for a sexual assailant shows us that. Additionally, they voted for a party that repeatedly articulated its hatred of women. Twice we've seen that the worst man has won over the best women. It will be decades before the Democratic Party nominates another woman, and I'm sure that suits the misogynists just fine.

I don't need to see this nightmare of an election prolonged any longer. Trump already has over 270 votes. No amount of counting is going to change that. This was not a squeaker. The results are plainer than in 2016 or 2020. The blue wall fell. If the Democratic party actually followed through with the desires of the conspiracy theorists, another 60 cases would be thrown out of court.

The fact we lost the Senate and will probably not flip the House should be a sign that Democrats got routed.
We hate it. We're furious. There is, however, nothing LEGITIMATE that we can do about it EXCEPT work on the party messaging, and substance, for the next election.

[Phoenix61]

1. The DNC needs to keep the ground game that is in

place now and use it to strengthen the party.

[JCMach1]

3. Ground game investment got us nothing

By all accounts we had one of the best operations in-place, ever.

We are going to need to figure out the new media microtargeting game.

Going to be hard, because it requires intentional misinformation

[Phoenix61]

6. We had one for, at max, 3 months.

It’s why there are so many elections with no Democratic candidate. We can’t show up every two or four years. You can’t grow a party that way as we have just, tragically, seen.

[Polybius]

15. We need to give up in Texas

Stop investing money there.

[Elessar Zappa]

2. I've already accepted it.

Our asses got kicked. It is what it is.

[dalton99a]

4. Democrats desperately need new leadership and new messaging

There were plenty of valid concerns voiced in this forum about immigration and inflation and the polls, but they were summarily dismissed.

Another ugly truth is that Americans don't want a woman president and have zero empathy for transgenders

[KnoxVol]

19. It's time for a complete and thorough review and some soulsearching

As a party, we have done this too many times. When we lose, we seem to get the same old response "Donate now, we will fight and win midterms!" and then we play our greatest hits to an audience that seems to be tired of hearing them or at best they aren't registering. Notwithstanding a few candidates here and there that are fantastic.

You bring up a good point about the issues that impacted a lot of voters. Inflation/Economy being the biggest elephant in the room, closely followed by immigration. I sincerely don't believe we addressed either issue adequately and allowed the MAGA crowd to frame it without much opposition.

I don't know so much about the woman as a President point. I concede it definitely plays a part in some, but I think this election, much like 2016, there were so many other factors that drove turnout that its hard to pin the blame on one specific factor or another.

[milestogo]

5. Save your lecture for another day.

A lot of people are still in shock, and this is way, way too soon. You need to develop some sensitivity.

[iemanja]

8. How about some sensitivity on the part of the people claiming it was rigged?

Trying to prolong our agony?

[MustLoveBeagles]

17. For most it's just grief talking

Can we have a day or two at least to vent?

[Intractable]

25. I'm telling people today -- just one day of mourning.

Maybe two. We need to put some limit on this nonproductive, energy-draining emoting.

[MustLoveBeagles]

29. A day or two is fair

[Cha]

11. Thank you.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

7. Something about this election feels off

Trump getting physically and mentally worse and worse and getting more voters

Offending people and getting more voters

Having a super offensive VP and getting more voters

Maybe I'm misjudging the hate....

Something just feels off here

[iemanja]

10. What's off is the American electorate

This is who we share our country with.

[we can do it]

30. Both can be true.

[Yavin4]

9. This is why we lost

So, please tell us how the Democrats can deal with this ideology going forward:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19672408

[iemanja]

12. That's above my pay grade

[Yavin4]

14. Well, unless we have a message that can counteract it...

get use to losing bc this is the Republican party going forward.

[iemanja]

20. The odd thing is how many Latinos voted for Trump

That's a head scratcher to me.

[Yavin4]

21. The Latino vote is a distraction to the main issue.

I'm so tired of hearing about the Latino vote when the problem is White anxiety over their declining population

Between 1999 and 2016, the number of white births fell by 10.8 percent to 2,094,000 and the number of white deaths rose by 9.2 percent to 2,133,000. Both these demographic changes contributed to waning levels of natural increase and the onset of white natural decrease (Figure 1). The pace of decline in white births intensified from 2007 to 2016, due in part to the Great Recession's significant impact on U.S. fertility.vi The recession, the greatest shock to the American economic system in nearly two generations, influenced both fertility and life-cycle decisions for many families.

With significantly fewer white births and a rising number of deaths, natural increase (births minus deaths) actually ended in 2016. In that year, for the first time in U.S. history, data from the National Center for Health Statistics showed more white deaths than births in the United States. The white natural loss of 39,000 in 2016 compares to a natural gain of 393,000 in 1999. Both the growing number of deaths (up 180,000 between 1999 and 2016), and the declining number of births (down 252,000 between 1999 and 2016) contributed to the dwindling white natural increase and more recently to natural decrease. In 2016, whites accounted for 77.7 percent of all U.S. deaths, but just 53.1 percent of births.

https://apl.wisc.edu/data-briefs/natural-decrease-18#:~:text=Between%201999%20and%202016%2C%20the,natural%20decrease%20(Figure%201).

And who won the presidency in 2016?

[iemanja]

23. Good point

[Blue_Roses]

33. This!

As one who lives in the deep south, around all these red-neck, "man's man", kinda men and women who still allow themselves to be submissive to them it will never change. They have been trying to stop anyone who isn't white for decades. Look at the 3 civil rights guys who were killed in the 60's for trying to get out the vote. There are so many more stories like this.

[Silent Type]

28. The ones that voted for trump have their citizenship, but they need someone to hate so they turn on helpless people

who came here for a better life.

Monday morning quarterbacking is that we should have made a bigger deal about immigration a few years ago -- something like trump's wall, but not that specifically. It wouldn't really help but would look like doing something.

I feel immigrants fear, especially those who have been here awhile contributing to our communities more than GOPers.

[Sundance1220]

38. Not to me

In fact, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner. They are tired of the attitude among many Democrats that it's perfectly alright to storm our border and come in without documentation and expect some sort of amnesty. Those that come in the proper, legal way are very resentful of that attitude. They do come in with papers, they jump through all the hoops, wait YEARS to become citizens and do it without complaint. So to see those who many in our party welcome to jump the line is maddening. We can't afford it and we've ignored that problem for far too long.

The Hispanic male thing is what it is. They don't think a woman is capable of running a country and got taken in by a tough talking con man.

[iemanja]

39. I think it more likely that they were concerned about inflation

like everyone else.

[Sundance1220]

40. If you don't think immigration

was a HUGE part of the reason, I'm afraid you're putting your head in the sand. Democrats have ignored and brushed aside those concerns for far too long. When prices don't come down under depraved donnie, immigration will still be enough to get Hispanics (esp the men) to turn away from Democrats.

[iemanja]

41. I think it is a large part

but I think it's a mistake to assume that's all or mostly what Latinos care about. That's the mistake Democrats made.

[Sundance1220]

42. It's a HUGE issue in border states

Not so much in NY where I'm from. VP Harris should have broken away from Pres Biden on this issue and hit it head on.

[Zeitghost]

13. This video has a lot of good commentary.

&ab_channel=NewYorkTimesPodcasts

The ultimate failure was not addressing the Biden reelection issue prior to the primaries. Had we been able to democratically select a nominee with broad appeal it would have been a much different race.

[Yavin4]

16. No. This is the issue

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19672408

[dalton99a]

18. +1

[iemanja]

24. That was interesting

Thanks for posting it.

[ecstatic]

22. I've accepted it. I have no sympathy going forward

for anyone who is harmed after enabling trump. You reap what you sow.

[we can do it]

31. I never want to hear a nonvoter say another damn word about anything.

[Irish_Dem]

26. I will never accept the loss of our democracy.

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My military family risked their lives to preserve it on many occasions.

My uncle lies on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean at Guadalcanal.

It appears it was all in vain. But at least they did their best.

I will never accept the loss of our democracy. Never.

[iemanja]

35. I'm not suggesting you should

Harris put it well today. The election is over but the fight must go on.

[onetexan]

36. This is why it's so hard to comprehend

This is a nation that stood up to fascism, nazism, communism...the beacon and mainyainer of the world order. On my husband's side of the family, 6 generations of military. His now dead grandfather fought in ww2.
Unfortunately most americans have short memories and because of the bubble they surround themselves with, are not aware of or have forgotten what the con's first term was like. Most have not lived under authoritarian rule & practice the politics of grievance. History repeats itself under such conditions.

[Irish_Dem]

37. Americans are a spoiled people who have not suffered enough.

They take their freedom and way of life for granted.
Even despise it.

They would not last two weeks living in China or Russia.

They have no idea what they are in for.

[stillcool]

27. some people like logic..

they obviously do not watch enough cable-news.

[GPV]

32. What next election? He already said we won't have to worry about that anymore.

[tinymontgomery]

34. I've started to accept it

I've started to accept it but I went though and blocked all the people that I know for sure voted for trump on fb, only had
135 and this cut me down to 75. If one post something about trump, their gone. My sister and brother-in-law are gone f***em. Her husband is of Mexican decent and got in to the Naval Academy back in the 80's. I can bet back then he got in with the help of DEI but
now votes republican to stop all of that. Bet he wouldn't have gotten in without DEI so f*** him to. He's against forgiveness for student loans but got a free $300,000 dollar education by having everyone else in the country pay for it. I don't care if he stayed into retirement, of course he retired as a major which is pretty low for an academy grad. I went in the Navy as a seaman recruit and retired as a lieutenant commander the same time he was in, f****em all.