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SocialDemocrat61

(2,765 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:11 PM Nov 6

Bernie Sanders statement on the election


It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.

While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change.

And they’re right.
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Bernie Sanders statement on the election (Original Post) SocialDemocrat61 Nov 6 OP
OUCH! FarPoint Nov 6 #1
Yeah, that is really bad timing PatSeg Nov 6 #5
I agree choie Nov 6 #94
I'm really sensitive right now PatSeg Thursday #98
And I'm trashing all the threads about what Harris did wrong. CrispyQ Thursday #127
Good for you PatSeg Thursday #143
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Nov 6 #2
He can bite me DemonGoddess Nov 6 #3
Can't be the real Bernie, while I'm not a big fan he would not say this now Eliot Rosewater Nov 6 #4
Check the link SocialDemocrat61 Nov 6 #8
I would love for him to explain how our party abandoned working class Eliot Rosewater Nov 6 #25
Teamsters boss Sean O'Brien says the same thing Polybius Nov 6 #26
So? Cha Nov 6 #30
Just pointing it out that a major labor figure said it Polybius Nov 6 #78
Yes there was a big thread on Cha Nov 6 #83
No, it was me Polybius Nov 6 #84
Good old Sean was the keynote speaker at the RNC. sheshe2 Thursday #104
Yeah, SO'B sold his soul to the Anti Christ.. Cha Thursday #107
Okay, not great but okay. sheshe2 Thursday #108
Yeah, we'll be okay.. just early days to Cha Thursday #112
I am putting you on ignore. Demsrule86 Nov 6 #45
Why? Polybius Nov 6 #77
In case it helps, Polybius said this: ColinC Thursday #118
Sean O'Briend is a Trumper and always was...funny you mention this now...have a nice life. Demsrule86 Nov 6 #46
like I said earlier, my two sons work in union jobs mountain grammy Nov 6 #96
This guy? sheshe2 Thursday #102
It looks legit PatSeg Nov 6 #9
Sounds exactly like Sanders. Color me not surprised. LizBeth Nov 6 #11
He didn't even wait 24 hours to bash our FEMALE candidate, Kamala Harris... sheshe2 Thursday #105
So unhelpful and neggy, as usual. Sigh. yardwork Thursday #117
I am holding on, yardwork. sheshe2 Thursday #124
What gets me is we are not allowed to counter his bashing Dems on a site no bashing dems.... LizBeth Thursday #123
This is being reported by the press SocialDemocrat61 Nov 6 #15
Are you saying the press wouldn't publish false information? tinymontgomery Nov 6 #60
No SocialDemocrat61 Nov 6 #68
Well, we watched them spit out a ton of lies tinymontgomery Nov 6 #76
Then follow the link SocialDemocrat61 Nov 6 #93
okay tinymontgomery Nov 6 #95
You are saying that he did not say this? sheshe2 Thursday #106
I'm part of the working class ClimateHawk Nov 6 #6
My entire family is working class. Quiet Em Nov 6 #13
The Democratic Party is the only thing that has saved us. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 6 #28
gosh he's such a great ally of the Democratic Party! thebigidea Nov 6 #7
What a POS statement LizBeth Nov 6 #10
Does he think Trump will be better for the working class. BlueKota Nov 6 #12
I Never did. Cha Nov 6 #31
I don't like him now and I never did. He is dead to me now. Demsrule86 Nov 6 #44
I have NEVER liked him DemonGoddess Nov 6 #55
I guess he does Rebl2 Nov 6 #70
If one of us posted that as our comment, bet it would fail a jury, certainly today. He does make a point in that a year Silent Type Nov 6 #14
yes all those trump humpers woulda voted for bernie I am sure nt msongs Nov 6 #16
Right to hand off the govt moonscape Nov 6 #17
Bullshit, Bernie. Fuck that noise. Ocelot II Nov 6 #18
Best post ever. sheshe2 Thursday #109
yeah, Conjuay Nov 6 #19
Yeah, he let his real feelings slip out in 2016 when he referred to Planned Parenthood as "the Establishment". LisaM Nov 6 #57
WTAF we can do it Nov 6 #20
Really Bernie, BunkieBandit Nov 6 #21
I'm disappointed in Bernie Blue_Roses Nov 6 #22
Disappointed doesn't cover it. He has shown us who he is...believe him. Demsrule86 Nov 6 #42
he is a one trick pony Skittles Nov 6 #65
This is a load of Ralph Nader shit. Klarkashton Nov 6 #23
Boo hiss. I don't know why Sanders thinks this. ananda Nov 6 #24
Sanders still thinks that he could have been Trump because of the crossover between MAGA and his Bernie Bros... W_HAMILTON Nov 6 #27
I am with you. Demsrule86 Nov 6 #41
Both of my sons, in their 50's mountain grammy Nov 6 #29
But Kamala Did Not "Abandon" Workers. My Son is A Worker and Cha Nov 6 #32
I'm happy for your son mountain grammy Nov 6 #40
Sanders is WRONG.. Pres Biden is All about the Working Class! Cha Nov 6 #49
Look, I'm not saying he's right and I also think Biden and Harris have been good for the working class mountain grammy Nov 6 #54
Because of propaganda -- not because Democrats have """abandoned the working class.""" W_HAMILTON Thursday #103
Thank You! Cha Thursday #129
You are right. sheshe2 Thursday #111
Sanders said it and went after HRC, Sanders said it beginning and end going after Harris. LizBeth Thursday #125
I remember All Too Well waht Happened Cha Thursday #131
I got worried when the Mexican landscapers I know started trashing the VP. The Mouth Sunday #145
Monday night my son and his girlfriend mountain grammy Sunday #146
Bernie must be very pleased with this. Another woman bites the dust. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 6 #33
I am sure he is. Demsrule86 Nov 6 #39
Exactly. THAT! LizBeth Thursday #134
Such BS (no pun intended) BluRay76 Nov 6 #34
OMFG!!! BERNIE!!!! MustLoveBeagles Nov 6 #35
I must say Skittles Thursday #110
Trust me, we always saw him for what he is. sheshe2 Thursday #113
Yep LizBeth Thursday #135
He should understand better than anyone what an obstructionist congress looks like. The Biden administration chia Nov 6 #36
Yes MustLoveBeagles Nov 6 #43
Yeah -very disappointing jfz9580m Nov 6 #73
I will never forgive Sanders...never. Demsrule86 Nov 6 #37
Same here. I'm still waiting for his apology tour for Nixie Nov 6 #89
And the SC doesnt matter, more important things crowd. LizBeth Thursday #136
Lots of lectures today. 2 Meow Momma Nov 6 #38
Is he kidding? It's just the opposite, in my opinion. ecstatic Nov 6 #47
I love you Bernie but instead kacekwl Nov 6 #48
You love Sanders? Demsrule86 Nov 6 #52
He's not wrong white_wolf Nov 6 #50
YES Sanders is WRONG. Cha Nov 6 #66
Why didn't they campaign on that? white_wolf Nov 6 #72
Didn't BS & AOC campaign for Cha Nov 6 #80
The only way to win trump/republican voters kacekwl Nov 6 #97
I never said that white_wolf Thursday #99
I did not say you said that. kacekwl Thursday #132
Apologies white_wolf Thursday #133
Me too kacekwl Thursday #142
ugh Skittles Nov 6 #51
Post removed Post removed Nov 6 #53
THANK YOU Skittles Nov 6 #61
And workers aren't voting for us.. mountain grammy Nov 6 #87
Good point. A lot of regular people are just disgusted with lack of action by government on a number of issues. Silent Type Nov 6 #88
Stop it, Bernie. Just stop. It serves no good purpose* Oopsie Daisy Nov 6 #56
How did the Democratic Party abandon the working class? LetMyPeopleVote Nov 6 #58
A lot of it is right wing media Joe Cool Nov 6 #59
Less than helpful. ALBliberal Nov 6 #62
What is he talking about? Dem4life1234 Nov 6 #63
Asshole. Says a girl that staged a photo op ALBliberal Nov 6 #64
It started in the 80-90's. Remember? JanMichael Nov 6 #67
Dammit Bernie berniesandersmittens Nov 6 #69
No surprise...he's actually a very unfriendly person fairfaxvadem Nov 6 #71
I can believe that. I remember Hillary commenting in her book * Oopsie Daisy Nov 6 #75
Sorry, but he's right Deminpenn Nov 6 #74
Sherrod had a similar message, always fairfaxvadem Nov 6 #81
Sen Casey, too Deminpenn Nov 6 #92
A lot of people don't want to hear it, but Luciferous Nov 6 #79
Stephanie Rhule said the same damn thing last night! Greybnk48 Nov 6 #82
Think that's a big part of it. More people didn't go to college than did. Think they are wrong, Silent Type Nov 6 #90
So Sanders was opposed to this ? JI7 Thursday #114
Not at all!! Loan forgiveness is and was extremely important and essential. Greybnk48 Thursday #128
+1 dalton99a Thursday #119
does the rule here on bashing democrats lapfog_1 Nov 6 #85
Right! LizBeth Thursday #137
Trump won the popular vote. I am still in deep shock. Passages Nov 6 #86
... misogyny and racism. America is bubbling over with it. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #116
+1. Serious changes are needed. dalton99a Thursday #121
Post removed Post removed Nov 6 #91
Because only white men make up the working class. JI7 Thursday #100
Fuck off, Bernie RandySF Thursday #101
It has been years now DFW Thursday #115
At least we seem to finally be able to say it. LizBeth Thursday #138
I'm seriously pissed off at Bernie Sanders. He was in a senior leadership position on the Democratic Vinca Thursday #120
yeah, Conjuay Thursday #122
I can't stant to even read the title of this OP...it enrages me. So trashed. Demsrule86 Thursday #126
What an asshole. Lots of opinions about the Democratic Party for someone who has NEVER been a Democrat. tritsofme Thursday #130
Hmmmm... WarGamer Thursday #139
What a hypocrite: "Biden has been the strongest, most progressive president in my lifetime" mathematic Thursday #140
Woman, scares him. LizBeth Thursday #141
He's an old fool. nt Mark.b2 Saturday #144

PatSeg

(49,696 posts)
5. Yeah, that is really bad timing
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:16 PM
Nov 6

Was it really necessary to trash Democrats? Everyone is still in a state of shock. No one needs more negativity especially from someone that most of us consider an ally.

choie

(4,464 posts)
94. I agree
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:17 PM
Nov 6

I love Bernie (you can see by my avatar). This isn’t the time to bang us over the head with blaming the dems. While he’s right to an extent, he fails to mention the racism and misogyny that played a role.

PatSeg

(49,696 posts)
98. I'm really sensitive right now
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:09 AM
Thursday

And I'm sure I am not the only one. Anyone speaking out might want to tread softly. People I know are teetering on the edge of sanity.

Meanwhile, the answers aren't nearly that simplistic. We are living in very unusual times; the old paradigms don't apply.

CrispyQ

(38,176 posts)
127. And I'm trashing all the threads about what Harris did wrong.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:22 AM
Thursday

Fuck that. She ran a great campaign. Was it perfect? IDK. Closer to perfect than any other campaign I've seen! It was the misogyny, absolutely. And too many white women have bought completely into the patriarchy & their daughters are going to pay.

PatSeg

(49,696 posts)
143. Good for you
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:52 PM
Thursday

I agree, Harris ran a great campaign and considering how little time she had, it was miraculous. Initially, I had limited expectations for her, but she knocked it out of the park. Meanwhile, Trump is out there acting like a demented fool and HE wins the election?

I don't think it is healthy for Democrats to eat their own everything something goes wrong.

Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)

Eliot Rosewater

(32,530 posts)
4. Can't be the real Bernie, while I'm not a big fan he would not say this now
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:14 PM
Nov 6

Assuming this is a bullshit account and not the real Bernie

Cha

(305,182 posts)
83. Yes there was a big thread on
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:54 PM
Nov 6

How Blatantly Wrong Sean O’Brien Was too.


A lot of Unions did endorse her.

Sorry to be combative.. just Pissed off at the unfairness.

Polybius

(17,727 posts)
84. No, it was me
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:57 PM
Nov 6

I just had a long time poster put me on ignore. I want to apologize to Demsrule86, but it's too late since the poster can't see it.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
104. Good old Sean was the keynote speaker at the RNC.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:40 AM
Thursday

He is a Trumper.

Sean can bite me…so can BS.

Cha

(305,182 posts)
107. Yeah, SO'B sold his soul to the Anti Christ..
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:14 AM
Thursday

Hope he gets payback in ways he never imagined.


How you doing , she?

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
108. Okay, not great but okay.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:19 AM
Thursday

I haven’t slept or eaten much…I will be okay.

How about you, Cha?

Cha

(305,182 posts)
112. Yeah, we'll be okay.. just early days to
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:21 AM
Thursday

fathom the Global shock to our systems.

Last night Tim made me feel better when I was in such a shock as everyone has been. Walking around like zombies.

He said the best thing we can do is live our Best Lives regardless of all the Dumbfuckery around the country. Which is good advice.. I don't think he knows about all the things TSF is going to Take away.. but I'm not going to talk about that until it's starting to happen.

Maybe I should though.. Forewarned is Forearmed.

He called me today too.. to ask how I was doing .. I was on the bus going to the store Papayas to get some Mangoes. Comfort food! he said Good.. you're not rolled up in ball then. :lol

Here's something I got from Hekate's post last night. that I think you'd like...

But first I just saw this tweet on my way to look for it... made me laugh.



Now for John Pavlovitz

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19667761

Polybius

(17,727 posts)
77. Why?
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:33 PM
Nov 6

I didn't say that I agreed with him. I know you've criticized me as negative in the past, but I was largely correct. You are positive, but never worrying about anything isn't good either.

ColinC

(10,610 posts)
118. In case it helps, Polybius said this:
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:27 AM
Thursday

"I just had a long time poster put me on ignore. I want to apologize to Demsrule86, but it's too late since the poster can't see it."

mountain grammy

(27,232 posts)
96. like I said earlier, my two sons work in union jobs
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:29 PM
Nov 6

They tried to prepare me for this. They are both Steelworkers and applaud David McCall for endorsing Kamala. Of course they voted for her but not their brothers at work. Nearly all voted trump. This was in Delaware and Colorado, both blue.

We have lost the working people. Whether just stupid or joe rogan fans, whatever, they are turning against the Democratic party and we damn well better figure it out.

tonight my younger son (53) came over to take a selfie with me to send to his brother to prove I'm alive..
This will be bad, with trump. I hope he strokes out by Christmas and we'll deal with the consequences. It'll throw them off their game for a couple years.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
105. He didn't even wait 24 hours to bash our FEMALE candidate, Kamala Harris...
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:45 AM
Thursday

And our President as well!

JFC

yardwork

(64,109 posts)
117. So unhelpful and neggy, as usual. Sigh.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:08 AM
Thursday

I hope you are doing ok, sheshe. Unlike Bernie, many of us recognize that we have to pull together to get through these dark days.

LizBeth

(10,810 posts)
123. What gets me is we are not allowed to counter his bashing Dems on a site no bashing dems....
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:20 AM
Thursday

Adding in the sprinkle of ironic that he is not a Dem but will support Dems, until he doesnt

tinymontgomery

(2,643 posts)
76. Well, we watched them spit out a ton of lies
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:25 PM
Nov 6

that were easily disproved but still ran with them with very little retraction so, to me, they wouldn't have a problem with
advertising this.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
106. You are saying that he did not say this?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:00 AM
Thursday

He did. 24 hours after we lost the election and while we are still mourning our loss and what it means to women and our Democracy.

ClimateHawk

(330 posts)
6. I'm part of the working class
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:16 PM
Nov 6

I don't feel the Democratic Party has abandoned me. I proudly voted for Kamala Harris and supported her economic policies. I also voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary but I strongly disagree with this.

Quiet Em

(892 posts)
13. My entire family is working class.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:21 PM
Nov 6

We also do not feel abandoned by the Democratic Party. President Biden's policies and VP Harris' proposal help people like us.

Trump and Republicans are going to cause us economic hardship.

Silent Type

(6,500 posts)
14. If one of us posted that as our comment, bet it would fail a jury, certainly today. He does make a point in that a year
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:24 PM
Nov 6

ago we talked about people living "paycheck to paycheck," and the like. Then, we had to pivot to the economy is great as election approached. I'm not saying there was anyway around it, just the way it is.

Ocelot II

(120,672 posts)
18. Bullshit, Bernie. Fuck that noise.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:27 PM
Nov 6

The problem isn't Democrats abandoning the working class, FFS. Did you actually listen to a single damn thing Kamala had to say? The problem is that your beloved working class is seething with grievance and rage over their perceived loss of status because uppity women and minorities have the nerve to suggest they could be leaders. It's the misogyny and the racism, and don't try to pretend it's something else. Get your ass out of the '60s and smell the bigotry.

LisaM

(28,565 posts)
57. Yeah, he let his real feelings slip out in 2016 when he referred to Planned Parenthood as "the Establishment".
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:40 PM
Nov 6

And, when Rachel interviewed him on Trump's saying women should be punished for having abortions, he pivoted the conversation away to talk about income inequality (as if raising children as a single mom doesn't create income inequality).

He likes to rub salt in a wound, that's obvious.

Klarkashton

(2,025 posts)
23. This is a load of Ralph Nader shit.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:38 PM
Nov 6

They theorize that moving to the left on social issues like universal healthcare and taking a pro Palestinian position would have led someplace.
It would have lead to an even bigger loss after the MSM worked them over for it.
The prevailing illogical backlash is far right libertarian due to the public being subjected to inflation and skyrocketing housing costs. How libertarian rightwing ideology could fix these problems is a total mystery.

ananda

(30,772 posts)
24. Boo hiss. I don't know why Sanders thinks this.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:43 PM
Nov 6

It's the Republicans who have abandoned the working classes.

And it will get unbelievably worse with no labor protections
in place, especially regarding union organizing, child labor,
AI, and using incarcerated people for labor.

Just wait and see.

W_HAMILTON

(8,462 posts)
27. Sanders still thinks that he could have been Trump because of the crossover between MAGA and his Bernie Bros...
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:53 PM
Nov 6

...when, in fact, he was just being pumped up as a useful idiot by right-wingers and Russians to take down Hillary.

When it looked like Sanders actually had a chance to win the Democratic nomination in 2020, he got beat even worse than in 2016 -- including in by a whopping ~40 POINTS in Florida (which has been the canary in the coal mine for this MAGA sentiment he apparently thinks Democrats need to emulate).

The only vote in my life that I've regretted casting is for him in the 2016 primary.

Fuck you, Sanders. You are now officially on my "fuck you forever" list from 2016. If not for your Russian- and Republican-boosted vanity candidacy in 2016, Hillary would have been president and Trump would have been a forgotten loser by now.

If I get a hide, so be it -- I'm looking to take a break from all things political for a while anyway.

PS - If not for the working class, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK DEMOCRATS ARE FIGHTING FOR? Certainly not the fucking billionaires who bankrolled Trump and who he outsourced his whole fucking campaign to.

mountain grammy

(27,232 posts)
29. Both of my sons, in their 50's
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:00 PM
Nov 6

Were afraid this would happen. Nearly everyone they work with voted trump. They of course did not but they’ve put up with a lot of shit from coworkers.

Cha

(305,182 posts)
32. But Kamala Did Not "Abandon" Workers. My Son is A Worker and
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:08 PM
Nov 6

all his Crew VOTED for Kamala.

Sanders is WRONG.

ETA~ and neither did Pres Biden!!

mountain grammy

(27,232 posts)
40. I'm happy for your son
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:18 PM
Nov 6

but my guys put up with a lot. Both of them were shop stewards and they both gave it up.

I'm just telling you the truth and I think the vote bears it out.

Cha

(305,182 posts)
49. Sanders is WRONG.. Pres Biden is All about the Working Class!
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:29 PM
Nov 6

It's not Dems fucking fault that magas listen to Propaganda about Dems.


mountain grammy

(27,232 posts)
54. Look, I'm not saying he's right and I also think Biden and Harris have been good for the working class
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:40 PM
Nov 6

But, looking at the vote, the working class doesn't.. She got less votes than Biden got in 2020.

Both my sons live in blue states, Colorado and Delaware and both are grateful for that.

W_HAMILTON

(8,462 posts)
103. Because of propaganda -- not because Democrats have """abandoned the working class."""
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:34 AM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:04 PM - Edit history (1)

We know all about rightwing propaganda but Sanders is damn near the founding father of this newfound destructive brand of leftwing propaganda that led directly to Trump's election in 2016 -- and now he's stabbing us in the back once again.

Don't call yourself a fucking progressive if you have directly/indirectly led to a Trump administration twice in three presidential elections. No matter what the fuck you think of Democrats, watching Trump and his Republicans take full control of our government once again is going to be a huge step back for progressivism that will not be undone in one or two elections -- hell, maybe not even a generation or two of elections -- assuming we still even hold elections once Trump's Second Reich begins.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
111. You are right.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:17 AM
Thursday
She got less votes than Biden got in 2020.

However she is a woman and MAGA hates women. It is not her place in the order of things for her to run. She should be in her home waiting on her man and popping out babies.

That is the MAGA mentality.

LizBeth

(10,810 posts)
125. Sanders said it and went after HRC, Sanders said it beginning and end going after Harris.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:11 AM
Thursday

From the start Sanders said Biden was for the working man and immediately supported him. NOW, what is the common denominator in this equation? Old white man, thumbs up. Two women, thumbs down. Was saying it way back in '16, proved out many ways, but we are not allowed to discuss.

Cha

(305,182 posts)
131. I remember All Too Well waht Happened
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:14 PM
Thursday

with him after the 2016 GE.. and before and During..

It's a Pattern.

The Mouth

(3,281 posts)
145. I got worried when the Mexican landscapers I know started trashing the VP.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:25 PM
Sunday

I thought at first maybe they were just fucking with me (we're all old friends, I know them from working on roofs together and we share a few drinks sometimes), but nope they were *not* going to vote for her. Let's just say their comments on my bumper sticker wouldn't last long around here. And this is in Northern California.

mountain grammy

(27,232 posts)
146. Monday night my son and his girlfriend
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:46 PM
Sunday

Came for dinner. I bought lobster sliders on sale at Costco and I was cautiously optimistic. My son was not. He tried to prepare me.

BluRay76

(53 posts)
34. Such BS (no pun intended)
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:10 PM
Nov 6

She spoke to prices being too high, she spoke to the policies she wanted to pursue to help people do more than just get by. She constantly spoke about those things, and health care and child care. How was that, in any way, “abandoning the working class?”

I have had a lot of very healing conversations today with family, friends, neighbors, and coworkers. All of them allowed us each a safe space to express our sadness and disappointment and fear. I had one Bernie supporter reach out with a series of statements about how she had underperformed Biden, not a word about the consequences of this election. As you can imagine, I had very little to say in response initially; once I had collected myself, I gave what I thought was a reasoned explanation of why I was in no way ready to objectively analyze the lessons of this election. Instead, I was going to take the time to grieve the fact that we were denied the leadership of a brilliant, qualified, prepared woman because this country would rather vote for a fascist felon bully in severe cognitive decline. And I was going to take the time to feel the fear and sadness about the rights that are being lost by me and the people I love. Many of us are giving each other a safe space in which to do that grieving - but this statement from Bernie feels like an attack on that.

MustLoveBeagles

(12,516 posts)
35. OMFG!!! BERNIE!!!!
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:13 PM
Nov 6

How DARE you kick us when we're down! You certainly don't mind leaching off a party you hate when it suits you. I guess your detractors were right about you all along.

A hearty Fuck You from a now former supporter. So disappointed and angry.

sheshe2

(87,303 posts)
113. Trust me, we always saw him for what he is.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:21 AM
Thursday

I will say no more…though I have much more that I could say.

chia

(2,368 posts)
36. He should understand better than anyone what an obstructionist congress looks like. The Biden administration
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:14 PM
Nov 6

would have done so much more, but the GOP made sure he couldn't, so they could blame him. Disappointing to see this from him today.

jfz9580m

(15,387 posts)
73. Yeah -very disappointing
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:20 PM
Nov 6

Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)

I am a progressive but I have never understood the mentality that allows the perfect be the enemy of the good.

I think Biden was under appreciated.

Now Lina Khan is gone for sure. And Project 2025..yeah I am disappointed in Bernie.

Well I do kinda get what he is saying tbh. I have mixed feelings in this postmortem. I think the party has a better future if it goes left (economic populism and environmental protections) than moving to the centre. I didn’t like Mark Cuban as a surrogate for Harris at all.

ecstatic

(34,352 posts)
47. Is he kidding? It's just the opposite, in my opinion.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:28 PM
Nov 6

I remember the democratic house fighting TOOTH AND NAIL to pass shit to help families, but forgetting to advertise all of their efforts. NONE of it was appreciated. The public who benefited had zero idea of all the work that was done on their behalf, thanks to the media and people like bernie. Times have changed bernie and you're still shouting the same false message from 20 years ago.

kacekwl

(7,477 posts)
48. I love you Bernie but instead
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:29 PM
Nov 6

of making asinine comments about democrats go home and fill your wood box for winter. SMH

white_wolf

(6,253 posts)
50. He's not wrong
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:33 PM
Nov 6

I'm sorry, but he's not wrong. When will the democrats learn that catering towards some magical moderate voter that doesn't exist won't win them elections. We tried it in 2016 and lost. We tried it 2024 and lost. Maybe we need to try something else. I'm not trying to say we need to abandon the Democratic party, but the current strategy clearly isn't working. We lost and we lost bad.

white_wolf

(6,253 posts)
72. Why didn't they campaign on that?
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:16 PM
Nov 6

The Harris campaign didn't campaign on any of that. Not hard enough anyway. Instead they wasted time trying to appeal to moderate Republicans by campaigning with Cheney of all people. They didn't make their case to the people. Their message was basically things will be the same, but slightly better. The simple fact is that you don't fight populism by trying to protect the status quo. We need a left-wing brand of populism in this country. Look, maybe it is strictly a messaging issue, but it is still an issue.

It's clear to me now that a majority of the electorate doesn't seem to vote based on policy at all. They seem to vote based on vibes and messaging. Maybe that's what we need to get better at, but, like him or not, Sanders is good at that brand of messaging.

Cha

(305,182 posts)
80. Didn't BS & AOC campaign for
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:37 PM
Nov 6

Kamala in Wisconsin?

What did he have to say about VP Kamala then?

Anyway he’s Wrong.. President Biden & Vp Harris didn’t abandon Workers.

kacekwl

(7,477 posts)
97. The only way to win trump/republican voters
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:31 PM
Nov 6

is if we adopt the racist women hating platform. No thanks.

white_wolf

(6,253 posts)
99. I never said that
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:33 AM
Thursday

I said the exact opposite that we need to move further to the left. I never even implied we should adopt a Republican platform. In fact, I argued that the reason we lost is because we tried to appeal to the right.

kacekwl

(7,477 posts)
132. I did not say you said that.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:27 PM
Thursday

I said it. If democratic voters choose not to vote then that's a vote for trump. I won't make excuses for them if somehow they think they were abandoned. Let's see how they they feel in 4 years.

white_wolf

(6,253 posts)
133. Apologies
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:55 PM
Thursday

Sorry I was defensive. I'm having a rough time of it as I'm sure most of us are, but I shouldn't have been so defensive with you. I really did think we had this one so I'm still in a bit of shock.

Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)

mountain grammy

(27,232 posts)
87. And workers aren't voting for us..
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:11 PM
Nov 6

We're not fighting hard enough for working people. We had a few chances in the last 15 years to raise the minium wage, why didn't we? Expand Medicare? Social Security? Single payer healthcare?
I know the argument, republicans wouldn't do it. Of course they wouldn't but the point is we could and didn't so they get away with saying we're all the same, and both sides do it, and nothing ever changes. Both sides blame each other. And the right wing noise is deafening.
I honestly don't know and probably never will, why any working person would vote republican, much less trump, but what I do want to know is why thery're not voting Democratic. I'm determined to find some answers as we slog through the next 4 years, I should live that long..

Silent Type

(6,500 posts)
88. Good point. A lot of regular people are just disgusted with lack of action by government on a number of issues.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:32 PM
Nov 6

When you feel like that, you vote against the incumbent. Don’t agree with them, but think it’s true.

At least we can criticize trump for the next 4 years.

Joe Cool

(1,011 posts)
59. A lot of it is right wing media
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:41 PM
Nov 6

There are many Americans addicted to and brainwashed by it. Right wing entertainment poisoned the American psyche.

ALBliberal

(2,827 posts)
64. Asshole. Says a girl that staged a photo op
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:55 PM
Nov 6

At his headquarters in Silver City NM because he was my “primary” candidate. Trust me I switched to Hillary soon thereafter.

And now I wonder…. Maybe 🤔 f he had dropped out sooner?

Asshole. Sure this is headed to jury!

fairfaxvadem

(1,249 posts)
71. No surprise...he's actually a very unfriendly person
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:15 PM
Nov 6

Having met him a few times in DC, I was shocked at how closed off he is. Good on the stump, I guess, but otherwise, a curmudgeon of the first order. Of course, these were just my own impressions. Other opinions will vary, which I understand.

I also noticed when he was on the news/talk shows over the last few months, he always had to do his stump speech before maybe/barely putting in a good word for Harris.

Glad he won his re-elect (not a heavy lift) but this latest rant of his is just reinforcing my opinion - it's all about him.

Oopsie Daisy

(4,465 posts)
75. I can believe that. I remember Hillary commenting in her book *
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:24 PM
Nov 6

* that nobody in the Senate liked him. You're observations track with her observations. Yes it was very disappointing to see that his appearance is on behalf of Harris were mostly about himself and his pet issues, and endorsing Harris and asking people to vote for her seemed like an afterthought.

Deminpenn

(16,271 posts)
74. Sorry, but he's right
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:21 PM
Nov 6

Or maybe you haven't noticed how well his message resonates with the working class.

In fact, rebuilding working class communities is the driver behind Bidenomics.

fairfaxvadem

(1,249 posts)
81. Sherrod had a similar message, always
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:40 PM
Nov 6

Senator Brown's loss is a huge loss for all of us. We've lost a real champion for the middle class - unlike Bernie, he actually was always more accessible than Senator Sanders. And more genuine, in my opinion and experience. But in terms of messaging and their politics (unions, trade issues, etc.,) they weren't that far apart. What's the real difference? Ohio vs. Vermont. And I have a lot of affection for Ohio so it pains me to say that.

Greybnk48

(10,372 posts)
82. Stephanie Rhule said the same damn thing last night!
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:54 PM
Nov 6

Her example was President Biden's student loan forgiveness. It was a huge boon to college graduates, especially those who attended four years, but did nothing for the working class and the poor.

She said that kind of largesse with one group thought by many as elite, while seemingly ignoring those who are just struggling to keep a place to live and food on the table clearly fostered resentment and anger.

She says that's what we saw last night, even though F*ckface Trump is probably the last person that will help them in reality, they believed he was on their side as a regular Joe against the elite. Not against the 1% wealthy, but against the people that they think look down their noses on them.

Silent Type

(6,500 posts)
90. Think that's a big part of it. More people didn't go to college than did. Think they are wrong,
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:49 PM
Nov 6

but I can understand how they feel if they believe college graduates, immigrants, etc., get something they don’t. It’s probably just stupidity, racism, bigotry on their part, but it’s how they feel.

Just one of the things we need to reevaluate going forward. Hope we do.

There were even DUers who opposed student loan forgiveness.

Greybnk48

(10,372 posts)
128. Not at all!! Loan forgiveness is and was extremely important and essential.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:21 PM
Thursday

People were roped into private loans that were almost impossible to pay off. I worked for the University of Wisconsin and I know what was done to many, many unsuspecting students and parents who were bullied into bad loans, never expecting them to be suddenly devious and harmful. People have been paying back money they never borrowed, some for years!

That said, Bernie's point is that we should have provided universal healthcare to everyone like Europe has. We should not have this private garbage, like the private "supplemental" that is destroying Medicare with fraud. We should be taxing the rich. When Bernie (and me) were kids, the wealthy paid taxes on I think 90% of their income. We built the Interstates, etc. with that money. Major tax relief for middle, and lower middle class. And why haven't we expanded public taxpayer funded public school to include four years of college for those who pass an entrance exam. I would add that those who don't pass the entrance exams (some don't test well), should be admitted on academic probation to show that they can do the work.
I've been a Bernie "bro-ette" for years and I agree with him 100% on most things. I love him.

lapfog_1

(30,110 posts)
85. does the rule here on bashing democrats
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:04 PM
Nov 6

also cover posts BY democrats and independent political people who are bashing the democratic party? Just wondering.

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Vinca

(50,974 posts)
120. I'm seriously pissed off at Bernie Sanders. He was in a senior leadership position on the Democratic
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:57 AM
Thursday

side of the aisle and IT WAS UP TO HIM TO DO THE THINGS HE'S NOW BLAMING DEMOCRATS FOR NOT DOING.

Demsrule86

(70,995 posts)
126. I can't stant to even read the title of this OP...it enrages me. So trashed.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:17 AM
Thursday

No offense meant to the OP...and Sanders stuff will longer show up on my DU...He is dead to me metaphorically speaking.

tritsofme

(18,385 posts)
130. What an asshole. Lots of opinions about the Democratic Party for someone who has NEVER been a Democrat.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:04 PM
Thursday

His opinion on anything is about important to me as Trump’s.

mathematic

(1,491 posts)
140. What a hypocrite: "Biden has been the strongest, most progressive president in my lifetime"
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:29 PM
Thursday

Sanders said that and he's old. He was alive when FDR was president.

Sanders is trying to pretend that the progressive wing of the party hasn't been running things in Biden's administration because he doesn't want this blowout election to come back on his personal legacy.

Biden spent $36B bailing out the Teamsters pension fund and they didn't even endorse Harris. Sanders has it completely backwards.

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