General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders statement on the election
Link to tweet
While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change.
And theyre right.
FarPoint
(13,594 posts)If Bernie says so....
PatSeg
(49,696 posts)Was it really necessary to trash Democrats? Everyone is still in a state of shock. No one needs more negativity especially from someone that most of us consider an ally.
I love Bernie (you can see by my avatar). This isnt the time to bang us over the head with blaming the dems. While hes right to an extent, he fails to mention the racism and misogyny that played a role.
PatSeg
(49,696 posts)And I'm sure I am not the only one. Anyone speaking out might want to tread softly. People I know are teetering on the edge of sanity.
Meanwhile, the answers aren't nearly that simplistic. We are living in very unusual times; the old paradigms don't apply.
CrispyQ
(38,176 posts)Fuck that. She ran a great campaign. Was it perfect? IDK. Closer to perfect than any other campaign I've seen! It was the misogyny, absolutely. And too many white women have bought completely into the patriarchy & their daughters are going to pay.
PatSeg
(49,696 posts)I agree, Harris ran a great campaign and considering how little time she had, it was miraculous. Initially, I had limited expectations for her, but she knocked it out of the park. Meanwhile, Trump is out there acting like a demented fool and HE wins the election?
I don't think it is healthy for Democrats to eat their own everything something goes wrong.
Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)
Emile This message was self-deleted by its author.
DemonGoddess
(5,112 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(32,530 posts)Assuming this is a bullshit account and not the real Bernie
SocialDemocrat61
(2,765 posts)Its from his verified X account
Eliot Rosewater
(32,530 posts)Polybius
(17,727 posts)Polybius
(17,727 posts)I don't agree.
Cha
(305,182 posts)How Blatantly Wrong Sean OBrien Was too.
A lot of Unions did endorse her.
Sorry to be combative.. just Pissed off at the unfairness.
I just had a long time poster put me on ignore. I want to apologize to Demsrule86, but it's too late since the poster can't see it.
sheshe2
(87,303 posts)He is a Trumper.
Sean can bite me
so can BS.
Cha
(305,182 posts)Hope he gets payback in ways he never imagined.
How you doing , she?
sheshe2
(87,303 posts)I havent slept or eaten much
I will be okay.
How about you, Cha?
Cha
(305,182 posts)fathom the Global shock to our systems.
Last night Tim made me feel better when I was in such a shock as everyone has been. Walking around like zombies.
He said the best thing we can do is live our Best Lives regardless of all the Dumbfuckery around the country. Which is good advice.. I don't think he knows about all the things TSF is going to Take away.. but I'm not going to talk about that until it's starting to happen.
Maybe I should though.. Forewarned is Forearmed.
He called me today too.. to ask how I was doing .. I was on the bus going to the store Papayas to get some Mangoes. Comfort food! he said Good.. you're not rolled up in ball then. :lol
Here's something I got from Hekate's post last night. that I think you'd like...
But first I just saw this tweet on my way to look for it... made me laugh.
Link to tweet
Now for John Pavlovitz
Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19667761
Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)I didn't say that I agreed with him. I know you've criticized me as negative in the past, but I was largely correct. You are positive, but never worrying about anything isn't good either.
ColinC
(10,610 posts)"I just had a long time poster put me on ignore. I want to apologize to Demsrule86, but it's too late since the poster can't see it."
Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)mountain grammy
(27,232 posts)They tried to prepare me for this. They are both Steelworkers and applaud David McCall for endorsing Kamala. Of course they voted for her but not their brothers at work. Nearly all voted trump. This was in Delaware and Colorado, both blue.
We have lost the working people. Whether just stupid or joe rogan fans, whatever, they are turning against the Democratic party and we damn well better figure it out.
tonight my younger son (53) came over to take a selfie with me to send to his brother to prove I'm alive..
This will be bad, with trump. I hope he strokes out by Christmas and we'll deal with the consequences. It'll throw them off their game for a couple years.
sheshe2
(87,303 posts)Campaigning for trump at the RNC
lol
PatSeg
(49,696 posts)In really bad taste.
LizBeth
(10,810 posts)sheshe2
(87,303 posts)And our President as well!
JFC
yardwork
(64,109 posts)I hope you are doing ok, sheshe. Unlike Bernie, many of us recognize that we have to pull together to get through these dark days.
sheshe2
(87,303 posts)I hope you are as well.
LizBeth
(10,810 posts)Adding in the sprinkle of ironic that he is not a Dem but will support Dems, until he doesnt
SocialDemocrat61
(2,765 posts)I doubt they would do so if it were a fake account.
tinymontgomery
(2,643 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(2,765 posts)but they wouldn't use a fake account as a source of a story. Too easy to disprove.
tinymontgomery
(2,643 posts)that were easily disproved but still ran with them with very little retraction so, to me, they wouldn't have a problem with
advertising this.
SocialDemocrat61
(2,765 posts)Im the OP. It goes to Sanders verified X account. He also posted it on his IG account: https://www.instagram.com/p/DCC3TFUBbkO/?
tinymontgomery
(2,643 posts)sheshe2
(87,303 posts)He did. 24 hours after we lost the election and while we are still mourning our loss and what it means to women and our Democracy.
ClimateHawk
(330 posts)I don't feel the Democratic Party has abandoned me. I proudly voted for Kamala Harris and supported her economic policies. I also voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary but I strongly disagree with this.
Quiet Em
(892 posts)We also do not feel abandoned by the Democratic Party. President Biden's policies and VP Harris' proposal help people like us.
Trump and Republicans are going to cause us economic hardship.
kerry-is-my-prez
(9,106 posts)thebigidea
(13,221 posts)LizBeth
(10,810 posts)BlueKota
(3,603 posts)I used to like Bernie. Now not so much.
Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)DemonGoddess
(5,112 posts)Rebl2
(14,623 posts)Silent Type
(6,500 posts)ago we talked about people living "paycheck to paycheck," and the like. Then, we had to pivot to the economy is great as election approached. I'm not saying there was anyway around it, just the way it is.
msongs
(70,137 posts)moonscape
(5,350 posts)to the oligarchs youre so fond of.
Gotcha.
WTAF?
Ocelot II
(120,672 posts)The problem isn't Democrats abandoning the working class, FFS. Did you actually listen to a single damn thing Kamala had to say? The problem is that your beloved working class is seething with grievance and rage over their perceived loss of status because uppity women and minorities have the nerve to suggest they could be leaders. It's the misogyny and the racism, and don't try to pretend it's something else. Get your ass out of the '60s and smell the bigotry.
sheshe2
(87,303 posts)Thank you so much. I applaud you,Ocelot
I am so sick of the mansplaing from him.
Conjuay
(2,091 posts)fuck you too, bernie
LisaM
(28,565 posts)And, when Rachel interviewed him on Trump's saying women should be punished for having abortions, he pivoted the conversation away to talk about income inequality (as if raising children as a single mom doesn't create income inequality).
He likes to rub salt in a wound, that's obvious.
we can do it
(12,770 posts)BunkieBandit
(107 posts)From one Socialist to another. Really? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
Blue_Roses
(13,383 posts)this is not the time to pile on us.
Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)Skittles
(158,672 posts)it is all about him
Klarkashton
(2,025 posts)They theorize that moving to the left on social issues like universal healthcare and taking a pro Palestinian position would have led someplace.
It would have lead to an even bigger loss after the MSM worked them over for it.
The prevailing illogical backlash is far right libertarian due to the public being subjected to inflation and skyrocketing housing costs. How libertarian rightwing ideology could fix these problems is a total mystery.
ananda
(30,772 posts)It's the Republicans who have abandoned the working classes.
And it will get unbelievably worse with no labor protections
in place, especially regarding union organizing, child labor,
AI, and using incarcerated people for labor.
Just wait and see.
W_HAMILTON
(8,462 posts)...when, in fact, he was just being pumped up as a useful idiot by right-wingers and Russians to take down Hillary.
When it looked like Sanders actually had a chance to win the Democratic nomination in 2020, he got beat even worse than in 2016 -- including in by a whopping ~40 POINTS in Florida (which has been the canary in the coal mine for this MAGA sentiment he apparently thinks Democrats need to emulate).
The only vote in my life that I've regretted casting is for him in the 2016 primary.
Fuck you, Sanders. You are now officially on my "fuck you forever" list from 2016. If not for your Russian- and Republican-boosted vanity candidacy in 2016, Hillary would have been president and Trump would have been a forgotten loser by now.
If I get a hide, so be it -- I'm looking to take a break from all things political for a while anyway.
PS - If not for the working class, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK DEMOCRATS ARE FIGHTING FOR? Certainly not the fucking billionaires who bankrolled Trump and who he outsourced his whole fucking campaign to.
Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)Do you suppose he will vote with the GOP now? Will he even caucus with us?
mountain grammy
(27,232 posts)Were afraid this would happen. Nearly everyone they work with voted trump. They of course did not but theyve put up with a lot of shit from coworkers.
Cha
(305,182 posts)all his Crew VOTED for Kamala.
Sanders is WRONG.
ETA~ and neither did Pres Biden!!
mountain grammy
(27,232 posts)but my guys put up with a lot. Both of them were shop stewards and they both gave it up.
I'm just telling you the truth and I think the vote bears it out.
Cha
(305,182 posts)mountain grammy
(27,232 posts)But, looking at the vote, the working class doesn't.. She got less votes than Biden got in 2020.
Both my sons live in blue states, Colorado and Delaware and both are grateful for that.
W_HAMILTON
(8,462 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2024, 07:04 PM - Edit history (1)
We know all about rightwing propaganda but Sanders is damn near the founding father of this newfound destructive brand of leftwing propaganda that led directly to Trump's election in 2016 -- and now he's stabbing us in the back once again.
Don't call yourself a fucking progressive if you have directly/indirectly led to a Trump administration twice in three presidential elections. No matter what the fuck you think of Democrats, watching Trump and his Republicans take full control of our government once again is going to be a huge step back for progressivism that will not be undone in one or two elections -- hell, maybe not even a generation or two of elections -- assuming we still even hold elections once Trump's Second Reich begins.
Cha
(305,182 posts)You Are Dead On!
sheshe2
(87,303 posts)However she is a woman and MAGA hates women. It is not her place in the order of things for her to run. She should be in her home waiting on her man and popping out babies.
That is the MAGA mentality.
LizBeth
(10,810 posts)From the start Sanders said Biden was for the working man and immediately supported him. NOW, what is the common denominator in this equation? Old white man, thumbs up. Two women, thumbs down. Was saying it way back in '16, proved out many ways, but we are not allowed to discuss.
Cha
(305,182 posts)with him after the 2016 GE.. and before and During..
It's a Pattern.
The Mouth
(3,281 posts)I thought at first maybe they were just fucking with me (we're all old friends, I know them from working on roofs together and we share a few drinks sometimes), but nope they were *not* going to vote for her. Let's just say their comments on my bumper sticker wouldn't last long around here. And this is in Northern California.
mountain grammy
(27,232 posts)Came for dinner. I bought lobster sliders on sale at Costco and I was cautiously optimistic. My son was not. He tried to prepare me.
kerry-is-my-prez
(9,106 posts)Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)LizBeth
(10,810 posts)BluRay76
(53 posts)She spoke to prices being too high, she spoke to the policies she wanted to pursue to help people do more than just get by. She constantly spoke about those things, and health care and child care. How was that, in any way, abandoning the working class?
I have had a lot of very healing conversations today with family, friends, neighbors, and coworkers. All of them allowed us each a safe space to express our sadness and disappointment and fear. I had one Bernie supporter reach out with a series of statements about how she had underperformed Biden, not a word about the consequences of this election. As you can imagine, I had very little to say in response initially; once I had collected myself, I gave what I thought was a reasoned explanation of why I was in no way ready to objectively analyze the lessons of this election. Instead, I was going to take the time to grieve the fact that we were denied the leadership of a brilliant, qualified, prepared woman because this country would rather vote for a fascist felon bully in severe cognitive decline. And I was going to take the time to feel the fear and sadness about the rights that are being lost by me and the people I love. Many of us are giving each other a safe space in which to do that grieving - but this statement from Bernie feels like an attack on that.
MustLoveBeagles
(12,516 posts)How DARE you kick us when we're down! You certainly don't mind leaching off a party you hate when it suits you. I guess your detractors were right about you all along.
A hearty Fuck You from a now former supporter. So disappointed and angry.
Skittles
(158,672 posts)it's nice to see people seeing him for what he really is, FINALLY
sheshe2
(87,303 posts)I will say no more though I have much more that I could say.
chia
(2,368 posts)would have done so much more, but the GOP made sure he couldn't, so they could blame him. Disappointing to see this from him today.
He's lost me.
jfz9580m
(15,387 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)
I am a progressive but I have never understood the mentality that allows the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I think Biden was under appreciated.
Now Lina Khan is gone for sure. And Project 2025..yeah I am disappointed in Bernie.
Well I do kinda get what he is saying tbh. I have mixed feelings in this postmortem. I think the party has a better future if it goes left (economic populism and environmental protections) than moving to the centre. I didnt like Mark Cuban as a surrogate for Harris at all.
Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)Nixie
(17,377 posts)all the damage he's done, but he is clueless.
LizBeth
(10,810 posts)2 Meow Momma
(6,774 posts)I dont much like the timing of them. Everyone seems to have the answers today.
ecstatic
(34,352 posts)I remember the democratic house fighting TOOTH AND NAIL to pass shit to help families, but forgetting to advertise all of their efforts. NONE of it was appreciated. The public who benefited had zero idea of all the work that was done on their behalf, thanks to the media and people like bernie. Times have changed bernie and you're still shouting the same false message from 20 years ago.
kacekwl
(7,477 posts)of making asinine comments about democrats go home and fill your wood box for winter. SMH
Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)white_wolf
(6,253 posts)I'm sorry, but he's not wrong. When will the democrats learn that catering towards some magical moderate voter that doesn't exist won't win them elections. We tried it in 2016 and lost. We tried it 2024 and lost. Maybe we need to try something else. I'm not trying to say we need to abandon the Democratic party, but the current strategy clearly isn't working. We lost and we lost bad.
Cha
(305,182 posts)white_wolf
(6,253 posts)The Harris campaign didn't campaign on any of that. Not hard enough anyway. Instead they wasted time trying to appeal to moderate Republicans by campaigning with Cheney of all people. They didn't make their case to the people. Their message was basically things will be the same, but slightly better. The simple fact is that you don't fight populism by trying to protect the status quo. We need a left-wing brand of populism in this country. Look, maybe it is strictly a messaging issue, but it is still an issue.
It's clear to me now that a majority of the electorate doesn't seem to vote based on policy at all. They seem to vote based on vibes and messaging. Maybe that's what we need to get better at, but, like him or not, Sanders is good at that brand of messaging.
Cha
(305,182 posts)Kamala in Wisconsin?
What did he have to say about VP Kamala then?
Anyway hes Wrong.. President Biden & Vp Harris didnt abandon Workers.
kacekwl
(7,477 posts)is if we adopt the racist women hating platform. No thanks.
white_wolf
(6,253 posts)I said the exact opposite that we need to move further to the left. I never even implied we should adopt a Republican platform. In fact, I argued that the reason we lost is because we tried to appeal to the right.
kacekwl
(7,477 posts)I said it. If democratic voters choose not to vote then that's a vote for trump. I won't make excuses for them if somehow they think they were abandoned. Let's see how they they feel in 4 years.
white_wolf
(6,253 posts)Sorry I was defensive. I'm having a rough time of it as I'm sure most of us are, but I shouldn't have been so defensive with you. I really did think we had this one so I'm still in a bit of shock.
kacekwl
(7,477 posts)Skittles
(158,672 posts)Trump would not even be a factor now were it not for him
Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)
Post removed
Skittles
(158,672 posts)FUCK THAT POS
mountain grammy
(27,232 posts)We're not fighting hard enough for working people. We had a few chances in the last 15 years to raise the minium wage, why didn't we? Expand Medicare? Social Security? Single payer healthcare?
I know the argument, republicans wouldn't do it. Of course they wouldn't but the point is we could and didn't so they get away with saying we're all the same, and both sides do it, and nothing ever changes. Both sides blame each other. And the right wing noise is deafening.
I honestly don't know and probably never will, why any working person would vote republican, much less trump, but what I do want to know is why thery're not voting Democratic. I'm determined to find some answers as we slog through the next 4 years, I should live that long..
Silent Type
(6,500 posts)When you feel like that, you vote against the incumbent. Dont agree with them, but think its true.
At least we can criticize trump for the next 4 years.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,465 posts)*to pour salt in these fresh wounds. Why? Stop it!
LetMyPeopleVote
(154,197 posts)Joe Cool
(1,011 posts)There are many Americans addicted to and brainwashed by it. Right wing entertainment poisoned the American psyche.
ALBliberal
(2,827 posts)Dem4life1234
(1,500 posts)Democrats fight for anyone who isn't rich!
ALBliberal
(2,827 posts)At his headquarters in Silver City NM because he was my primary candidate. Trust me I switched to Hillary soon thereafter.
And now I wonder
. Maybe 🤔 f he had dropped out sooner?
Asshole. Sure this is headed to jury!
JanMichael
(25,212 posts)I voted for Bill Clinton 2 times and still like him but...he was a huge shift from pre-DLC pro union days.
berniesandersmittens
(11,681 posts)fairfaxvadem
(1,249 posts)Having met him a few times in DC, I was shocked at how closed off he is. Good on the stump, I guess, but otherwise, a curmudgeon of the first order. Of course, these were just my own impressions. Other opinions will vary, which I understand.
I also noticed when he was on the news/talk shows over the last few months, he always had to do his stump speech before maybe/barely putting in a good word for Harris.
Glad he won his re-elect (not a heavy lift) but this latest rant of his is just reinforcing my opinion - it's all about him.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,465 posts)* that nobody in the Senate liked him. You're observations track with her observations. Yes it was very disappointing to see that his appearance is on behalf of Harris were mostly about himself and his pet issues, and endorsing Harris and asking people to vote for her seemed like an afterthought.
Deminpenn
(16,271 posts)Or maybe you haven't noticed how well his message resonates with the working class.
In fact, rebuilding working class communities is the driver behind Bidenomics.
fairfaxvadem
(1,249 posts)Senator Brown's loss is a huge loss for all of us. We've lost a real champion for the middle class - unlike Bernie, he actually was always more accessible than Senator Sanders. And more genuine, in my opinion and experience. But in terms of messaging and their politics (unions, trade issues, etc.,) they weren't that far apart. What's the real difference? Ohio vs. Vermont. And I have a lot of affection for Ohio so it pains me to say that.
Deminpenn
(16,271 posts)Real losses for the senate
Luciferous
(6,246 posts)he's right.
Greybnk48
(10,372 posts)Her example was President Biden's student loan forgiveness. It was a huge boon to college graduates, especially those who attended four years, but did nothing for the working class and the poor.
She said that kind of largesse with one group thought by many as elite, while seemingly ignoring those who are just struggling to keep a place to live and food on the table clearly fostered resentment and anger.
She says that's what we saw last night, even though F*ckface Trump is probably the last person that will help them in reality, they believed he was on their side as a regular Joe against the elite. Not against the 1% wealthy, but against the people that they think look down their noses on them.
Silent Type
(6,500 posts)but I can understand how they feel if they believe college graduates, immigrants, etc., get something they dont. Its probably just stupidity, racism, bigotry on their part, but its how they feel.
Just one of the things we need to reevaluate going forward. Hope we do.
There were even DUers who opposed student loan forgiveness.
JI7
(90,456 posts)Greybnk48
(10,372 posts)People were roped into private loans that were almost impossible to pay off. I worked for the University of Wisconsin and I know what was done to many, many unsuspecting students and parents who were bullied into bad loans, never expecting them to be suddenly devious and harmful. People have been paying back money they never borrowed, some for years!
That said, Bernie's point is that we should have provided universal healthcare to everyone like Europe has. We should not have this private garbage, like the private "supplemental" that is destroying Medicare with fraud. We should be taxing the rich. When Bernie (and me) were kids, the wealthy paid taxes on I think 90% of their income. We built the Interstates, etc. with that money. Major tax relief for middle, and lower middle class. And why haven't we expanded public taxpayer funded public school to include four years of college for those who pass an entrance exam. I would add that those who don't pass the entrance exams (some don't test well), should be admitted on academic probation to show that they can do the work.
I've been a Bernie "bro-ette" for years and I agree with him 100% on most things. I love him.
lapfog_1
(30,110 posts)also cover posts BY democrats and independent political people who are bashing the democratic party? Just wondering.
Passages
(951 posts)We must look at everything that happened.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,465 posts)dalton99a
(84,140 posts)Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)
Post removed
JI7
(90,456 posts)RandySF
(70,446 posts)The economy had nothing to do with it.
DFW
(56,450 posts)Any post that says, Bernie says was one I usually didt open.
LizBeth
(10,810 posts)Vinca
(50,974 posts)side of the aisle and IT WAS UP TO HIM TO DO THE THINGS HE'S NOW BLAMING DEMOCRATS FOR NOT DOING.
Conjuay
(2,091 posts)Fuck you too, bernie.
Demsrule86
(70,995 posts)No offense meant to the OP...and Sanders stuff will longer show up on my DU...He is dead to me metaphorically speaking.
tritsofme
(18,385 posts)His opinion on anything is about important to me as Trumps.
WarGamer
(15,298 posts)mathematic
(1,491 posts)Sanders said that and he's old. He was alive when FDR was president.
Sanders is trying to pretend that the progressive wing of the party hasn't been running things in Biden's administration because he doesn't want this blowout election to come back on his personal legacy.
Biden spent $36B bailing out the Teamsters pension fund and they didn't even endorse Harris. Sanders has it completely backwards.