Would a Bernie supporter here please explain how the DNC/Joe & Kamala threw the working class

[Eliot Rosewater]

Under the bus like Bernie just said.

I’m not trying to start a fight, this is a terribly destructive and in my opinion bullshit statement and I just wanna know what people who agree with it think and what the details are that justify it?

[58Sunliner]

1. I can't believe he is trying to fault Dems. WTF???????????

[Intractable]

2. I didn't see it. Could he be referring to student loan forgiveness?

For months, I've heard that some people are bitter about it, including some who paid off their loans, some who went to college and never took loans, and some who never went to college.

[PatSeg]

7. Here's a post with his comments

It was really bad timing and tone deaf. I'm really tired of people always blaming the Democrats, even sometimes fellow Democrats. I thought the Democratic candidates were outstanding throughout this election cycle.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19674469

[Intractable]

12. "It was really bad timing and tone deaf." - I must agree. I generally agree with Bernie, but today is not the day.

[PatSeg]

20. It was like a punch in the gut

No one needed that.

[Intractable]

24. We're all pissed and looking for what or whom to blame.

Bernie is "off" today, for sure. He's upset, too.

I think the biggest culprit is right-wing media, which gets better and better and lying to its viewers.

A lot of them know they are lied to, but they like it. It promotes a reality to them that is agreeable, such as white supremacy, misogyny, and racism.

[PatSeg]

26. There is plenty of blame to go around

We know Putin definitely had an interest in the outcome of this election. Now he can absorb Ukraine with Trump's blessing and maybe even move on to other European countries.

[white_wolf]

18. Who are we supposed to blame?

Sure we can blame the voters who voted for Trump and those who stayed home to an extent, but does that win us elections? Isn't it the sole purpose of the Democratic Party to figure out how to get voters motivated to vote for their candidates? I'm NOT blaming individual democratic voters. I'm blaming the institutional party itself. We were never going to get the MAGA cultists to abandon Trump, but the party clearly did something wrong.

[PatSeg]

23. We are living in unprecedented times

They are quite unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime. I don't think anyone was prepared for it entirely. Meanwhile, there was also foreign interference, primarily Putin, but there could be others. I think they're getting really better at it and keeping up with it is like playing whack-a-mole. It's a 21st century form of warfare.

[white_wolf]

25. You're right about unprecidented times

This election has been hard because I was expecting a close victory. I honestly didn't think Trump would win and I'm still not sure how he won.

[PatSeg]

27. I didn't think he'd win either

I thought Harris ran a great campaign and I couldn't imagine her losing to Trump. However, a part of me remembered 2016 and I was sure he couldn't win then either. After that, I swore I'd never get complacent or overly confident again.

[sheshe2]

8. No.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-harris-2024-election-live-updates_n_672502bde4b01f6919d9f148/liveblog_672bdd5de4b0933e82c8cf42

[happybird]

10. What I've heard in my red county

is people are pissed about the student loan forgiveness, pissed about all the money spent on Ukraine and Israel when so many people here are barely scraping by paycheck to paycheck. And pissed that Dems keep touting the economy when it's only been great for investors. People are struggling with gas and grocery prices, with rent, and basic, every day expenses. They don't want to hear how great the economy is for rich people, Wall Street types, and those who invest because they actually have extra money to invest in something at the end of each month. Also, touting massive job growth under the Biden admin is bs because it doesn't take into account the job losses and mess from the covid lockdowns.

Not saying I agree with all of it, but I can see their point on some of it.

[LisaM]

11. People don't understand that the student loan forgiveness was mostly for penalties and interest.

Besides, Bernie was all for that at one point.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/

[Intractable]

14. "it's only been great for investors. People are struggling " -- very good points

I feel it. Life is expensive now!

Here in Florida, our main supermarkets Publix and Winn Dixie have crazy high prices on seemingly everything. I shop almost exclusively at Aldi.

Our insurance rates keep going higher and higher. It depresses our disposable income, as well as home and car values.

[happybird]

19. I work at a grocery store and can't afford to shop here

I get my groceries at Walmart. I hate friggin' Walmart.

[Intractable]

21. I hate the idea of Walmart, too. But frankly, here in Southern Florida, they have nice supermarkets

with grocery prices much more reasonable than Publix and others.

[Kilgore]

31. $10 for a dozen eggs

At our local grocery store.

This is nuts.

[brush]

38. That's obviously price gouging as eggs certainly aren't imported...to fragile.

Not rocket science to figure that out. Grocery stores and/or producers taking advantage which makes Biden's admin look bad.

[Intractable]

42. I bought eggs for about $2.50/doz at Aldi last week.

So, it's either a local thing, or that grocery store is taking advantage of people.

[yardwork]

28. Republicans caused all the economic pain, though.

Warren Buffet pointed out that if every wealthy corporation paid their share of taxes, nobody else would have to pay a dime in taxes. And we could afford to give everyone universal health care, affordable loans for college, etc.

By voting for Trump and giving Congress to the Republicans, these people just guaranteed that prices will rise higher and wages will decrease. More money will be shoveled at the ultra-rich. Everything they're unhappy about will get worse.

[Omnipresent]

30. Writing that up took great courage.

Hopefully people here will read that and learn something, they probably didn’t know before.

[brush]

36. What is Bernie going on about? We lost working class whites many presidential cycles ago.

Back in the moral majority and Reagan Democrat days.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Bernie got re-elected

He's feeling his oats. I think it refers to Democrats' commitment to the middle class more than working class.

[bigtree]

4. reply

Jared Ryan Sears @JaredRyanSears

-Unions are the strongest they've been in decades.
-Wages among the lowest earners grew the fastest.
-The child tax credit was expanded.
-A minimum corporate tax was enacted.
-A tax on stock buybacks was added.
-High inflation was brought down to normal levels without a recession.
-Millions of jobs were created.
-Unemployment has remained low.
-Manufacturing returned to the US.
-Prescription prices were lowered.
-More Americans have healthcare than ever before.
-Billions were given to student debt relief.
-The American Rescue Plan got Americans back to work, covered Cobra payments, and even directly gave Americans money.

Let's stop pretending that nothing was done by this administration when it inherited a pandemic, a migrant crisis, and high inflation and managed not only to address all of those issues through Republican obstruction but accomplished much more as well.

There's always more to do, and mistakes happen, but to act like Democrats abandoned the working class is ridiculous.

Link to tweet

[PatSeg]

9. Thank you for posting that

And of all people, Bernie Sanders does know that. What else does he expect Democrats to do?

[Cha]

13. "There's always more to do, and mistakes happen, but to act like Democrats abandoned the working class is ridiculous."

And, self serving.

Tell me how you're going to get Universal healthcare through a Republican Congress, Mr. Sanders.

Link to tweet

TY

[sheshe2]

17. Exactly right,Cha.

[sheshe2]

16. Thank you, bigtree.

[alarimer]

37. Yes, but those were Biden policies

And she tried to disassociate herself from him because he was (wrongly) seen as responsible for high prices.

[bigtree]

39. no, they're on her campaign page

[LisaM]

5. Bernie is just back to being Bernie.

Between him and Kshama Sawant, it really takes the cake. The only non government job he has ever had was being a carpenter (where I don't think he even joined a union), so I don't think he has any real feel for the working class.

[Klarkashton]

6. He's bent out of shape because they didn't promote

Universal healthcare, the green new deal and an arms embargo on Israel.
The lack of support for these issues sure as shit didn't drive working class people into the arms of Trump. Would promoting these things have brought out more voters? Who knows? One thing is for sure the MSM would have fucked them over like they did to AOC years ago.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. I am also curious about this?

[Oopsie Daisy]

22. You're correct. It's a shitty thing for anyone to do.

[Jack Valentino]

29. I don't think he meant Joe or Kamala... NT

[bovine6]

32. Bernie sez: women fantasize about rape! Here's a link!

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained

[yourout]

34. I love Bernie but this was not the day to vent like this.

Send an email to a close friend or call someone up but there's no reason to do a press release like that.

[alarimer]

35. All I ever heard was "middle class this" or "middle class that"

It was a centrist campaign and not a campaign for working class people. This is part of the Democratic Party's general problem. Whether or not it is strictly true, they are seen as the party of "elites" (which is never really defined, but I take it to mean college educated, middle to upper middle class people).

Biden was actually very successful at policies that helped the working class but it seemed like Harris tried to separate herself from him (due to his unpopularity, which was undeserved). It turned into a very centrist campaign (and attempting to appeal to disaffected Republicans backfired as well).

So I think the point in general is that Democrats need a sort of economic populism. Not the sort of right-wing populism that blames poor economies on immigrants but: making corporations and rich people pay their fair share, raising the federal minimum wage, encouraging and supporting union membership (which Biden did do) and the like.

[Nixie]

40. Trump also attacks Democrats. like this.

This is so clueless. Does Bernie actually think Trump gives a crap about workers?

It sounds like a bruised ego statement about not being groveled to. It doesn't help.

[TomSlick]

41. Shame on Bernie.

It's not a good time to dump on Democrats even if you are only one until you lose the primary.