So republicans I assume have access from big data

[applegrove]

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on every person in the USA. So they knew who Democratic voters were, or potential democratic voters, who were often bros. And their phone numbers. So they messaged them with things to make them stay on the couch and not vote? More than 7 million fewer voted for a Democratic President than did in 2020. That is my hypothesis.

Is it right to assume the GOP has data on every person in the USA through not just social media but corporations? And their phone numbers?

[JCMach1]

1. More insidious. They gamed the algorithms

On FB, IG, TikTok, X... Etc.

With major help and consultation from the Russians who started this game very early on.


Remember this? https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-disrupts-covert-russian-government-sponsored-foreign-malign-influence#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAt%20Putin's%20direction%2C%20Russian%20companies,effort%20to%20subvert%20our%20election.

Meanwhile, our campaign did not even compete in this space. We will need to deploy suppression and disinformation campaigns in the next election to put THEIR key constituent butts on the couch.

[applegrove]

2. Yes. That too. But that is not novel. Texting is. I think.

[JCMach1]

4. Not new at all. I had access to that tech in my 2002

Legislative campaign in Florida. I actually toured the server facility/HQ of a particular company in Daytona Beach when we were recording and setting up a Bill Clinton endorsement.

[applegrove]

6. Are you talking about texting? Or social media algorithms?

[JCMach1]

20. Referring to texts in 2002.

Mainly gaming algos in Social Media today. It was horrific this cycle.

If you were in a demographic like me. 57yo WM, liberal Dem... It was non stop manipulative content

[applegrove]

21. Yikes. I played hearts online then. I didn't have a cell so I got no texts.

[JCMach1]

22. You would be shocked by what they could do even then

Targeting robocalls and texts.

Even the sophistication of the party databases.

[applegrove]

23. I worked as a volunteer during an election back

then in Canada. They ranked people 1 through 5 on if they would vote for our candidate. But we didn't know what books people were reading or what games they were playing or whether they were a fan of guns.

[Self Esteem]

16. I think this is the biggest issue and something that is going to be hard to fight against.

[DaBronx]

3. Votes are still being counted

Look at California, Oregon etc

The numbers will be going up.

They will not reach Biden level though.

[Silent Type]

5. I think anyone can get data on Party affiliation and who voted in party primaries. Plus, one could target

zip codes. I’m sure some DUers know facts.

The data might have a price. I got a number of texts from Democratic organizations to vote before my absentee ballot showed up as accepted.

[applegrove]

8. But were the democrats texting republican voters

to make them stay home on the couch? That would make it all twice as expensive.

[Silent Type]

10. No. I should have made that clear. Thanks.

[ecstatic]

7. good point. They could have been posing as Democrats

with outrageous policies. Would we ever be able to find out? I know I've personally experienced them targeting me with bullshit texts but I was so mad that I blocked them and the proof was lost in a sea of other texts.

[applegrove]

9. It would be twice as expensive but GOP had PAC

doing some outreach and the 'ground game'.

[applegrove]

14. They don't even have to be promoting outragious

policies. They just have to harp on some Democratic issue that will piss some well defined person off. People don't always support the complete slate of policies from the President they would vote for but vote for them anyways. If you know details on a person and what they dislike you can target them if you were the GOP.

[TwilightZone]

11. "More than 12 million fewer democrats voted than did in 2020"

This isn't accurate. There are still millions of votes left to count in CA.

Harris will end up about 7 million short of Biden 2020, but there's no reason to believe they're all Democrats.

Biden's coalition included lots of independents, moderates, and some Republicans. Harris's coalition pretty clearly wasn't on the same scale.

Some of that former coalition likely crossed over to Trump and some probably stayed home or skipped the top line.

[applegrove]

12. Thanks for the corrections.

[TwilightZone]

13. No worries.

I had exactly the same thought you did when I first looked at the numbers. I've just had some time to dig and also got some feedback that helped me see them in a different light.

And to be clear, there could still be a lot of Dems in that end "stay home" number, maybe millions. It'll take some time to deconstruct the election. I hope that someone like Pew does an extended analysis like they usually do.

[applegrove]

15. Pew. I look forward to seeing that.

[Blue Full Moon]

17. There are websites with that information

[Blue Full Moon]

18. Anyone can get the info

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/access-to-and-use-of-voter-registration-lists

[applegrove]

19. But big data will tell you what books they buy or video games

they buy. So you can nail down their personalities. Then the Republicans could target the democrats with Lazer focus to get them not to vote.