"the Democratic National Convention, there was a "parade" of special interest groups -- except one."

[Demovictory9]

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2Fharris-trump-election%2F&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

Rogan's interview got 40 million views on YouTube and about 15 million downloads.
"That's 55 million people who saw Donald Trump for three hours," said Galloway, noting that's about the same number as viewers of the entire MLB World Series. "If he were to try to get that same audience on cable television, he'd have to go on this and every other prime-time cable news network for two weeks."


Galloway noted that at the Democratic National Convention, there was a "parade" of special interest groups — except one.

There were no young men," he said. "There was no acknowledgment of the group that has fallen further, faster than any group in American history over the last 20 years. And that's young men."

A key point of evidence, he said: More single women own homes than single men and women earn more in urban centers under age 30.

He then launched into some "grim statistics": young men are four times more likely to kill themselves, three times more likely to have an addiction and 12 times more likely to be behind bars. Additionally, just one in three young men are in a relationship.

[GreenWave]

1. Also at the DNC I noticed but kept my mouth shut until now.

They gave the White Supremacists the ammo they needed. The people depicted were very predominately non-Caucasian.All the RW had to do was say tune in and you will see "us" getting replaced.

[Demovictory9]

9. White males comment on their representation in the media the way women/Blacks did 20 yrs ago

They feel underrepresented overall and overrep as villains

[marmar]

35. But it's not true. If you look at their proportion of the population, they are overrepresented.

It seems that they're upset that they're not the center of attention, IMO.

[valleyrogue]

70. It's pure narcissism. No wonder they love Trump so much.

They are so privileged compared to women and minorities, they don't even realize it. They take their privilege for granted. When women and minorities get a tiny sliver of the pie, these guys literally lose their shit. The fact women especially are increasingly refusing to make men the center of their lives just pisses them off.

THIS is really what this is about. They are no longer the center of the universe. I don't feel one bit sorry for them.

[Jack Valentino]

41. That's just code for "stop showing us the blacks"

[marmar]

36. OK, but that's the base of the Democratic Party.

And I disagree that the majority of the people depicted were "non-Caucasian". Go review the speakers list for each night.

[GreenWave]

40. I watched and add in the entertainers, the spokespeople for the states, etc.

[RJ_MacReady]

2. This is becoming a problem

Online progressives pushed far too much against the "white male". The 20 something kid is being chastised for being privileged and made to feel he is inferior. Think about it, when was the last time a young white man was spoken about in a positive light by online progressives. The loniness issue is a real problem and we ridicule them to our detriment.

[Ace Rothstein]

6. Stuff like this from a Dem strategist is a bad look.

Link to tweet

You can't say stuff like this about a demographic then complain when they don't vote for you.

[Elessar Zappa]

47. Yikes.

[RJ_MacReady]

49. Exactly

This is a prime textbook example of what I am talking about. It needs to stop and stop now.

[soandso]

58. Wow, what an appalling tweet

"White men without a college degree" could include

Firefighters
Search & Rescue people
Plumbers
Carpenters
Electricians
Mechanics
Landscapers
City and county workers
Utility workers
Truck drivers
Grocery store employees
Factory workers
Construction workers
Farmers
Bartenders
Waiters
EMTs
Tree guys
Garbage men
Asphalt pavers
Lifeguards
Tow truck drivers
Port workers
Painters
Business owners
Real estate agents
Ship captains
Baggage handlers
Mail men
UPS people

for starters. In every group you'll find white guys without college degrees. Pretty sure that's a list that's a lot more essential to making life work more than she does. Also pretty sure it's people more like her arrogant ass that are likely to "ruin this country".

[valleyrogue]

69. Absolute baloney. n/t

[Amishman]

3. With young men, we are on the receiving end of a overall misstep of western culture

For many years, our society - and that of our peers in Europe - have gone out of the way to celebrate the achievements of women, LGBTQ groups, and ethnic minorities. Overall, it was right to do so, but a mistake was made. Young straight men, white ones in particular, are left out. They don't get their turn of recognition, and only get told instead that they have it easy and have all the advantages in our society. It's off-putting and repelling, and leaves them in search of an identity. Some of them are finding the alt right, which offers them the sense of belonging that they were looking for with it's macho masculinity routine.

This lost generation of young men isn't just happening here, it's playing out in other western countries as well.

We (our society, this is bigger than our party) need to re-evaluate our messaging to men, and find a better balance.

I see a lot of cursing of white men (and also women) blaming them for the election, but that might be misguided. While those groups did vote for Trump, they did so less than they did last time. It was gains with non-whites that put Trump back in power.

2016 to now, Trump lost ground with whites - especially white men. White men were the only racial + gender combo where he lost a meaningful amount of vote share.

White Men - 2016 +31 for Trump, 2024 +23 for Trump
White Women - 2016 +9 for Trump, 2024 +8 for Trump

Compare that to:

Black Men, 2016 +69 for Clinton, 2024 +56 for Harris
Black Women, 2016 +90 for Clinton, 2024 +84 for Harris
Latino Men, 2016 +31 for Clinton, +8 for Trump
Latino Women, 2016 +44 for Clinton, +22 for Harris

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/

[alarimer]

10. The problem was that white men DID have it better than everyone else.

They could waltz into any job, anywhere without much in the way of qualifications. They could easily be set for life. And then when we started trying to level the playing field for women and others, they could not compete and it seemed like we had it in for white guys. We did not; other people just started to perform better (women, for instance, have to be twice a good to get even half as far due to structural misogyny). Girls took advantage of the opportunities suddenly available to them. They have their shit together, by and large.

I don't think we can go back to putting women back in the kitchen and reducing opportunities for others. We cannot go back.

[oldreliable_one]

11. If you think that happens

then I have a house in Vietnam to sell you. Telling poor white men - people barely hanging on by a thread financially - that they are well off and privileged just stinks of champagne socialism.

[alarimer]

12. Nobody is saying that.

And if they believe fucking Trump is going to help them, then they are even stupider than I thought, They will be hurt even worse. They are blinded by hatred and misogyny.

[oldreliable_one]

14. Got nothing to do with that

Of course the GOP won't help them. That's obvious.

But people want kitchen table solutions. Affordability. Fuel prices. These things matter to people who are just trying to live their lives. Using buzzwords and talking about every group but men is a great way to alienate them. Sneering down from the ivory towers telling people struggling to make ends meet that the economy is fine is a sure fire way to propel people to vote against them.

[alarimer]

15. And maybe this is true.

But Trump will not do any of those things. Things will get harder, not easier. They will suffer even more.

[newdayneeded]

37. "They are even stupider than i thought"

Oh the irony!

[soandso]

61. In more ways than one, as well

[soandso]

59. You just DID say that

And it's wrong. While the rich and privileged class may have been predominantly white (Ivy League) in the past, the vast majority of everyone, white guys included, are not rich and privileged.

[JustAnotherGen]

33. My husband is a white male immigrant

Without a 4 year degree.

He picked himself up by his bootstraps and got down to building his own American dream.

It is not champagne socialism when a blacksmith, hvac, plumbing guy shows how it can be done.

They are f*cking cry babies who need to man up and get a job.

[Demovictory9]

13. "They could waltz into any job" that wss 1980s males

No longer true. Certificate creep..wanting masters degrees to do every job started in the 2000s

[Lancero]

29. They still have inherent advantages over other minorities with equal qualifications.

The world expects more of everyone. Women and racial minorites know this, and they gave blood sweat and tears to build themselves a place in this inherently bigoted world. They had to work twice as hard, suffer and sacrifice twice as much, for half the recognition.

It's why they excel now, while white men wallow in self pity. The world expects more of everyone, but white men have historically given the least. For them, their place in the world used to be guaranteed by the fact of being white and male.

[Volaris]

39. And kamala SPECIFICALLY TOLD THEM, she wants that social issue addressed,

Insofar as was in her power to do so.

Nobody outgrows their 20s until they choose to.
And 'I can't get a girlfriend' isn't something who you vote for can solve. Quit being a ridiculous incel and realize that no one is REQUIRED to love you (except yourself).

And yes, I AM allowed to say this to them, because I speak from the same experience.
It doesn't get better, EVER, until you decide to do the necessary work.
It's HARD. It SUCKS. It ALWAYS takes longer than you think it should. But it's the PROCESS that teaches you what you need to know for it to be better.
Trump is selling them snake oil. Blaming them for not knowing that? I agree with you, that isn't useful. But telling them that there's a solution that involves anything other than them doing the work of NOT DRINKIN IT, and going out and finding their own water instead is fucking useless and I won't countenance wasting political capital on it.
I know better, I lived it.
Rant Off...

[Amishman]

18. I'm not saying we should go back in terms of reality, but that society needs to adjust messaging

This part:

They could waltz into any job, anywhere without much in the way of qualifications. They could easily be set for life.

It hasn't existed in my working life, and I'm in my 40s.

Society is lecturing young men for events and privilege that peaked a generation ago or more.

[newdayneeded]

38. Im white in my upper 50s

I've been layed off 4 times. Nothing fucking easy about worrying about feeding your kid during a 4 month layoff (2 of them were that long, by the way).

[alarimer]

42. Sure, I get that I was just exaggerrating

The main point is that these guys need to get with the program. Anything that requires women and people of color to give up hard-won gains is a non-starter. Nor do we need to coddle them in any way. Perhaps some form of national service will help (military or otherwise). I used to be against it, but now maybe I think it's a good thing.

[Jk23]

71. That's so-called privilege never existed

I mean it's as if they forget about wars and the labor movement you know you study the labor movement in college didn't you notice all those white men being shot by pinkerton's?

[Jk23]

31. I am sorry when was this fantasyland..was it the early seventies?

Yeah working second shift in a coal mine while worrying about your draft number coming up was really easy street. I need to go back in time fifty years and tell the working class how privileged they were living in poverty.

[LiberalArkie]

34. So true in your corporate blue state world. Sadly that is not the same as in the swing states and red states.

[Nimble_Idea]

50. hey don't let facts get into the way of defending the plight of the great white male!

[Sympthsical]

4. I've brought this up on DU a few times

That boys and young men have significantly fallen behind and this presents a problem - not just for us electorally, but for society in general. History has shown time and again that societies with sizeable restless and disaffected male populations usually do not have a good time. Got my head bit off pretty much every time I noted it.

Just nod and agree that practically every male under 30 is an incel and call it a day.

Also something that's been working out really well for us.

You hope people will learn, but over the past few days, I'm not getting a lot of signs that they do. Way too many are going full Principal Skinner on the situation. "Could I be out of touch? No. It's everyone who isn't me that is wrong."

K.

[Demovictory9]

5. It actually became an issue acknowledged in college systems about 20 years ago

Who should be considered "disadvantaged" as males disappeared from college?

Colleges quietly admit males with lower scores than females.

And an African American male group I donated to, included white and Latino males in their college support program

[Sympthsical]

19. That's good progress, but it starts earlier than that

I don't want to get too far into the topic (especially since I'm about to leave for the entire day), but I tried having a discussion about males getting assistance in education systems and how difficult it's become. Did not go well. But it's true. I'm an older Millennial, and there was very little interest in helping boys and young men. The thinking was, "You're advantaged by default. Others need the assistance." Which, it was the 90s and 00s at the time, and we were still working hard to correct historical wrongs. So I do get it. But I also watched many in my generation fall through the cracks with no one particularly caring.

Now I watch my nephews who are younger Gen Z. My nieces get endless affirmative offers of assistance tailored to their gender. I have yet to see similar for my nephews (who are non-white, fwiw). If they're struggling, no one asks why, no one cares why, there are no special programs, activities, or focused attention targeting them, and there's a resting assumption that the system is already designed to care about them (too much in some people's opinion).

And we see these dynamics in discussions about privilege. Non-stop. It's an exhausting repetitive conversation. "The system is designed to benefit males!" This is definitely no longer true of education anymore for Millennials on down. And when someone invariably replies, "All males aren't getting that privilege," it's a shrug or some ideological explanation that stopped being interesting past a freshman sociology class. And that's if you're lucky. Usually extremely bitter people with their own sexism problems show up by that time, and just try saying anything on the topic at that point. It's a more productive use of time to set yourself on fire.

It's a hard conversation to have. There are a lot of sensitivities surrounding it. There's a lot of anachronistic ideology that hasn't adjusted to the world as it exists today.

We don't worry about our nieces nearly as much as our nephews. Our nieces not only get support for us, but they can (and do) take advantage of systemic and affirmative guidance that pushes them towards success. And that is an awesome thing to have! Our nephews? They're a DIY project we're always side-eyeing. We've been practically raising three nephews (their father died some years ago). When my niece struggled, teachers were writing notes and making calls right away. When the boys struggled, we didn't hear jack shit. I only figured out one of my nephews was deep in the weeds when I started digging into his education on a granular level. His grades weren't reflecting his problems, because his teachers were not giving grades reflective of his actual learning. I sat him down one day and started quizzing him on various things someone his age should know. Basic algebra, history, English, etc.

And in that moment, I saw a lot of shame that he had been feeling. He felt stupid and hopeless, and he'd been hiding it for who knows how long. It woke us right the fuck up to what was going on - or rather what was not going on.

This is a problem, and it's one I see repeated all over the place. My friends and family with kids compare notes and have similar stories.

If people can look at this country and young men and think, "What we're doing is fine. In fact, we're probably too much for boys," I don't know what to say. But people do say that and have said that right here. And what can anyone say? We can only harvest what we grow.

[Demovictory9]

24. ..and if the teachers hadnt made notes, the girls would have reached out for help

In education, there is gender specific behavior that leads to different outcomes.

There are academies and programs established for males..maybe mostly males of color currently

[soandso]

62. Thank you for saying this and saying it so well

It's straight up bigotry to bash men and make ridiculous assertions about non existent privilege. I keep waiting for the day when we see our fellow humans as just that and want the best for everyone, not based on some sociopolitical agenda.

[oldreliable_one]

8. Echo Chambers

People don't want to see what their eyes show them. They only want to live in their own echo chambers. They mock and generalize men as a monolithic bloc who all vote Trump and want to control, assault and abuse women - and then act shocked and outraged when those men, alienated by the left, vote Trump who acknowledges them and acts like he cares. (He doesn't, but the Republicans have some of the best propaganda marketing ever.)

[alarimer]

7. Joe Rogan IS the problem

Or at least the "podcast bros" are. They are what right-wing talk radio used to be.

Toxic masculinity is bad for everyone. The solution is NOT to enable more of it, but to train young men and boys to be better people.

And maybe police the internet better.

[jalan48]

16. Identity politics is a failed political strategy. We should have learned this in 2016.

[oldreliable_one]

17. 100%

Talking down to the majority of the electorate about how the economy is fine, and how they are privileged and their opinions don't matter is a sure fire way to drive them into the arms of the opposition. And Republicans have perfected that to a T. This may be harsh to say but there are only so many identity group members you can appeal to; Americans are not majority blue-haired vegan non binary feminists.

[dalton99a]

20. +1. Yet everyone had to walk on eggshells when the topic came up

I'm not a Bernie fan but he's right in that Democrats should focus on economic populism

[jalan48]

22. Bernie is right. Class politics encompasses so many more people of ALL genders and races.

Breaking our society into little boxes divided us and allowed the Fascists to take over. Identity Politics is more suited to high school, student council elections.

[dalton99a]

25. +1. Identity politics inevitably leads to divisiveness

[soandso]

63. Which is exactly the point of it

[Maru Kitteh]

21. I'm supposed to feel bad because white boys can't roll out of bed, show up late, not try, and still

get laid and paid like a boss? I'm supposed to feel bad because - like the rest of us - for once THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO TRY? They have to be competent, learn and put forth EFFORT to succeed?

Yeah no.

ETA: They want to be "real men" and "tough guys?" Start by PUTTING IN THE EFFORT, tough guy. It's HARD. The rest of us already knew that.

[SkylineChili]

44. THIS.... SO. MUCH. THIS.

Put in the effort, guys. Women and girls in school and in the professions have risen to the top because they have worked their collective asses off, knowing they have to be twice as smart, twice as prepared, twice as hungry to even compete. Meanwhile, white boys have "shown up." Put in the effort and quit being butt hurt because showing up is no longer enough to automatically grant you a privileged positions. I have zero fucks to give because white men are sad about the landscape. If they voted for Trump because they resent women and people of color "taking their privilege", they can reap what Trump sows. Unfortunately, I will reap it too, but at least I have my eyes wide open and understand what is coming down the road. They will be blindsided and wonder why their savior didn't save them.

[Elessar Zappa]

45. Well, we have to adjust our messaging somehow.

Because this group has the power to sink us in every election.

[Zeitghost]

60. That's the attitude that got us here

It's dismissive and insulting. There are plenty of low income hard working males who haven't been handed a life on easy street. They once formed a core of the democratic party. They now vote against us and their numbers are growing every election.

Identity politics in place of policies that lift all boats have failed us.

[Ferrets are Cool]

23. What this fails to mention, glaringly, is that while 55 million saw him on Rogan, they got to see how unhinged and

incoherent he is....and it made no difference. They just didn't care. This entire election was about misogyny.

[bigtree]

26. poor men

...my ass.

Their 'special interest group' is all of the leadership positions they already dominate in business and politics.

[JI7]

27. Why didn't they support Nikki Haley ?

[Maru Kitteh]

73. BOOM. nt

[MaryMagdaline]

28. The DNC was heavily women and minority

That’s the base of our party. It’s not that we exclude white men, it’s that they exclude themselves when women and minorities are in charge.
Did we notice that the entire RNC was white?

On the problem of young men - 30 years ago, people were more aware of this problem and tried to do something about it. There were actual hearings held on the War Against Boys. Why were so many boys medicated? Did public schools insist on medicating them in order to control normal boyish behavior? Why are so many boys autistic? (RFK JR is/was not alone in suspecting vaccines). Where are the fathers who used to raise boys? Why are boys addicted to video games? Why are boys falling behind academically? And the big one - WTF ARE THEY MASS MURDERING US?
No one really got a handle on those issues.
It’s extremely difficult to engage young men in anything that is not a video game or a sporting contest. They have self-isolated and as a society, we’ve allowed them to do so.
Grown men need to start saving young men. I don’t know how. Women cannot help young men get a sense of masculine pride. Right now, the RW have stepped in. Left-leaning men need to find a way to reach this group.
I have no answers.
I’m actually glad that people in this group are focusing on young men.

[walkingman]

30. I honestly think social media is the problem. It creates an alternate reality that is addicting but not real.

[MaryMagdaline]

32. Are there black and Latino incels? Or is that a WM issue?

I don’t see Black males or Latino males isolating so much.

[Elessar Zappa]

46. Not as many, in my observation.

But they do exist.

[dawg]

43. There was the young man who the Republicans ruthlessly mocked for being proud of his father.

They don't care about young men. They just know how to weaponize young men's misplaced anger.

[misanthrope]

48. So then what is Kyle Sweetser?

He is a white, relatively young, an independent contractor who built his own business. He spoke on one of the first nights at the DNC.

https://www.alreporter.com/2024/08/27/former-trump-voter-from-mobile-now-an-outspoken-critic-plans-to-vote-for-harris/

[luvallpeeps]

51. Oh! So that's the reason for the YMCA song at his rallies.

This is interesting. Something to ponder while it all goes to hell.

[johnp3907]

52. Racist claptrap.

🤮

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

53. I don't know a solution

But constantly pinning all the gripes and ills of racist, misogynist, patriarchal society on men who have barely been alive for 2 decades isn't the answer.

But hey, its not like the make up a large chunk of the electorate in states that we need to win. Let the republicans have them. Sure, they won't actually help them, but their message says they will. By reading some of the posts before me, our message to them is basically fuck off.

[tulipsandroses]

54. Oh look a white guy with the whitest haircut.

[Scrivener7]

55. Oh, for fuck's sake. What else can we dig up to flagellate

ourselves over?

[tulipsandroses]

57. Good question. So far today I've learned somehow the party that promotes diversity is exclusionary to white men

OKAYYY! - But they feel welcome in a party that rejects diversity.
Also heard that Democrats' language is causing us to lose. As opposed to? - Vermin, Garbage, Trash, Low IQ, Breeders, Animals, Cat Ladies.....

New federal data shows that the suicide rate among Black youth ages 10 to 19 surpassed that of their White peers for the first time in 2022, increasing 54% since 2018, compared to a 17% decrease for White youth. In fact, the suicide rate among Black adolescents is increasing faster than other racial and ethnic groups. From 2007 to 2020, the suicide rate rose 144% among 10- to 17-year-olds who are Black. Although the overall youth suicide rate is trending downwards, this data raises alarms about the need to improve and address mental health care for Black communities.

Black Adolescent Suicides Increased From 2018‑2022
Rate surpasses that of White peers

Where is their pity party?

[Bettie]

56. So, center our party communications around

white men.

Wow, I bet that's never been tried before. We could talk about their grievances, how they don't think women should have rights or speak in public....

[Jit423]

64. And those women after voting for body autonomy, voted for Trump in huge numbers.

It wasn't too long ago JD Vance was screaming at those young men to stop whining, stop drugging, and get a job.

[radicalleft]

65. What happened to the Men's Group on DU

There are 4 women’s groups?

[iemanja]

68. A bunch of them got tombstoned

for being . . . well, what they were.

[valleyrogue]

66. Cry me a river.

Young white men are apparently the new "oppressed" class despite the facts all around them that they are still highly privileged compared to women and minorities. Many are whiny because more and more young women will have nothing whatsoever to do with them. A lot of it has to do with their addiction to porn, which now highlights a variety of depraved acts that women will not tolerate including being beaten, talked filthy to, urinated on, defecated on, or strangled (delicately called "choking," which I consider attempted murder). Many young men are addicted listening to flagrant women haters like Andrew Tate, and this poses a real danger to women. Women are also rejecting online dating more and more because of a real fear for their safety. They are also leaving churches in droves. And whose fault is that? It is these guys' own fault they don't change their attitude.

They are not entitled to jobs right out of high school paying obscene pay like their fathers, grandfathers, and so forth just because they are men. They aren't entitled to college without really making an effort to better themselves. They aren't entitled to ANYTHING from women.

Why should Democrats appeal to these men who are hopeless to begin with?

The only way these guys will ditch the GOP is when the P25 crowd takes their porn away, which wouldn't be a bad idea.

People tend to forget that we elected Democrats to the presidency in 2020, 2012 2008, 1996, and 1992, with GOP presidents in between, yet people around here act like we haven't been in charge for a century.

[iemanja]

67. Well, I think Democrats organizing themselves around interest groups is a problem

While we need to continue policies that benefit people in those groups, we need to stop singling out parts of the electorate and develop more unified policies and messaging.

[Mad_Machine76]

72. And Transgender people

Which makes me even MORE pissed off that some Democrats are talking about abandoning us! 😑😤