Want A Reason Why Kamala Lost That Makes Sense

[gab13by13]

She took on the people with money. She took on the domestic oligarchs. She promised to go after the rich and famous who were profiting off price gouging. The oligarchs responded by controlling the messaging in the MSM. The oligarchs responded by pumping billions of dollars into the election. They spent 400 million dollars in Pa. alone.

TSF on the other hand promised the oligarchs tax cuts, privatization, and deregulation.

Kamala promised to go after the people who were keeping the poor and middle class from getting ahead.

Kamala ran a too pragmatic campaign that was designed to get results instead of running a political campaign.

Fuck the narratives that blame Democrats.

[Walleye]

1. I blame the people who voted for Trump. Pure and simple.

I’m only glad I live in a very blue neighborhood so I don’t have to wonder who these people are. Although I’m sure there are a few around here. They don’t have any power here

[Fish700]

6. You can add they Democrats who didn't bother to vote.

[quaint]

46. Especially those who never received their absentee ballots.

[Walleye]

51. Oh yes, they deserve a large part of the blame

[mountain grammy]

84. Same. I just wonder

What happened to the 81 million who voted for Biden in 2020?

[COL Mustard]

88. You hit the nail on the head.

Kamala, for whatever reason, didn't get as many votes as TSF...either popular or electoral. I can only assume that many Biden voters from 2020 didn't show up. I don't have another explanation.

I really thought we were going to do it this time, but damn...we got spanked by an enfeebled, senile 78 year old.

[mountain grammy]

91. The only hope I held on to

Was we outnumber them. I believed that. But for whatever reason everyone is not voting.
I’m stunned to say the least.

[druidity33]

121. Counting hasn't finished yet...

there's a good recap of the next counting steps over at dKos.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2024/11/8/2284459/-For-god-s-sake-stop-the-20M-missing-votes-conspiracy-theories

It still figures she'll be 5 or 6 mil behind his total... but is informative nonetheless.

[Wicked Blue]

41. I blame the oligarchs who brainwashed the people into voting for TSF

Someone had the money to pay for the crazed podcasts and faux news mind control

[DENVERPOPS]

111. Psychiatrists have concluded

that if a person only watches Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and listens to RW radio, it results in that person being literally brainwashed....

[Wicked Blue]

122. That happened to a brother-in-law

after he retired.

My adult daughter tells me there are many hideous sexist podcasts aimed at young men, teaching that that women are property and worse. I would not be surprised if Russia was behind these. They are masters at propaganda.

[JohnSJ]

76. Exactly. Nobody put a gun to anyone's head to vote for trump.

[Jk23]

2. I think the cake was baked long before she took the reins.

I am not sure who could have won under these circumstances. the key is making sure we don't put ourselves in this position to begin with. You don't go down three touchdowns and then blame the back up quarterback you bring in during the fourth quarter.

[Ferrets are Cool]

3. This is one of many reasons. When you add up ALL the reasons, it is no surprise that she lost.

However, I will forever believe it was stolen.

[gab13by13]

8. So do I

but I have to be careful how I post. 😊

It makes one wonder when TSF publicly stated that he doesn't need the votes.

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. Yep

[jaxexpat]

34. Bingo, Watson. Alas, the quarry is nigh, the hunt is on!

[BonnieJW]

85. Me too

She lost ALL the swings????

I don't believe that

[COL Mustard]

89. I don't agree that it was stolen.

There are too many safeguards in the processes and too many humans. Even if it was a conspiracy, getting that many people on board and keeping them quiet is an impossibility. Trump simply got more votes. More people bought his message than Kamala's.

Be well, I may see you in Mobile in January!

[ratchiweenie]

4. Well oligarchs only have so many votes. She actually had more campaign money than Trump.

The people who need help with everyday issues are the ones she was trying to reach and they rejected her so from my point of view, it still comes back to they just were not going to elect a black WOMAN to the presidency.

[travelingthrulife]

9. Do we know that oligarchs only have so many votes? Who knows what these rich, psychotic

tech bros have going. Elon seemed to purchase quite a few votes.]

[ratchiweenie]

14. Well, we have no way of knowing that except according to the vote tabulations, more Independents voted than

Democrats. They seem to have voted for Trump. All Democrats seem to have voted for Kamala.

[LisaL]

10. Yep, it was an uphill battle from the start.

Obviously, in retrospect, Biden should have said he was not going to run again, and we had a normal primary to select the candidate. That would have given us the best chance.

[happy feet]

18. She was outspent

7:1 with dark money (not campaigning gn money) by the oligarchs

[Clouds Passing]

52. Dump had way more dark money according to Thom Hartmann and others

[Wicked Blue]

123. Money that we know about

Why would the convicted felon tell the truth about how much money was backing him?

And in-kind donations as well. I suspect the oligarchs gave him far more than we will ever find out about.

[TwilightZone]

5. There is no single reason for the loss.

It's human nature to simplify, but there are myriad reasons for the loss.

That being said, if you're looking for simple, compare 2020 to 2024 numbers.

With CA at 59%, Trump will exceed his 2020 totals. Harris will fall roughly 7 million short of Biden's 2020 coalition.

There was likely some crossover, but it's obvious that Harris just wasn't able to build the kind of coalition Biden had, which included a lot of independents, moderates, and some Rs. Some probably stayed home.

Turnout was also lower in total. 2020 was unusual, of course.

[LisaL]

12. Hillary would have blown Trump away with the turnout that Harris had.

So Harris didn't have a bad turn out, but Biden had a phenomenal turnout out in 2020.

[womanofthehills]

37. Last minute, Ron Paul agreed to be a consultant for Elon/ Trump

There went the Independents. Many believe millions of Dems stayed home because of genocide.

Basically- many are saying the Republicans out performed the Dems on social media. Trump on Rogan had 40 million views. Rogan is #1 podcast in world and Tucker is #2. On leaving Fox, Tucker got way more followers and has a way larger audience than he did on Fox. Dems need top podcasters as most young only get news off social media. My daughter and grandkids barely notice I don’t have a tv - everyone is into their phones.

[Justice matters.]

77. In 2020, people were confined at home and had not much to do...

while this year, millions have a JOB (many have two or three just to make ends meet) and they WORKED on Tuesday, then probably just went straight home and didn't care to go stand in line to vote.

Election Day should be a national holiday, but still isn't.

[Autumn]

7. We are a divided nation. Over half the people voted for him over her.

It's really that simple. He appealed to the larger group of people who voted.

[BoRaGard]

11. Winner Winner, chicken-flavored dinner!

You get no chicken under the new plutocracy, we proles get only "chicken flavored"

[haele]

38. Not even chicken flavored. You'll be told it's chicken flavored.

Just water, a little leftover brine, and ramen noodles.
Or stale wonder bread mush.

Haele

[malaise]

13. I think you consistent thesis of justice delayed

is a better explanation

[MagickMuffin]

15. Here's my take as well

The Media failed us. They didn’t report on any of the weirdness from the convicted felon, however, apparently a lot of people don’t tune in to politics.

The convicted felon voters and non voters.

They don’t care enough to inform themselves and will apparently vote party over country.



And perhaps some here might not like what I’m about to say here but there is my experience from 2008. I became my precinct chair and was phone banking for Obama. I called one Democratic house and was told that she wouldn’t vote for no n_________!

I was surprised by this and realized racism is prominent in both parties.

[Katinfl]

29. 100% agree.

The one thing Kamala could not overcome is that she is a black woman in a bi-racial marriage to a Jewish man. People could not handle that and it proves that racism is rampant in this country. It is getting worse. Don’t forget, Biden is an old white man. I’m not saying he won because of that fact, but the country is not ready to vote for a woman. So we get another old white man……BTW, I wholeheartedly support Biden and think he has done wonderful things. I am sick over this but that’s the way I see it. Racism is live and well.

[Freddie]

58. She had one serious flaw as a candidate

Lack of a penis.

[Tadpole Raisin]

16. I think she ran a great campaign but somehow what she said,

which felt picture perfect to me, was not.

Was it the cult mindset that cannot be reasoned with? The men who voted for toxic masculinity? The white women who appeared to be all in but as a percentage of support clearly weren’t?

If we didn’t reach them we either have to let them fall or modify our approach in some way. If I was so smart maybe I’d know how to do that but generations of de programmers have revealed there is no easy way.

But call out the repubs? Every damn second of every day.

[PennRalphie]

19. It's the economy.

I’m in PA. Her ads here, the ones that people actually saw, were just attacking trump. People already know he’s bad. I’ve been saying for months and months, her ads in PA should have been it’s the booming economy!!!!

Plumbers and truck drivers and electricians, if told she would continue this fantastic economy, would have voted for her.

Many of you here disagree with this. We’ve had discussions about it. The negative ads did nothing to gain one vote.

I live here. I know how these people think. They wanted to hear the economy would continue to boom. Instead, they were inundated with negative ads.

[FakeNoose]

86. Yes I'm in PA, and I never saw so many negative ads in my life

It was both parties putting out the negative messages too. But it got really sickening, and I'm sure a lot of people tuned it out. On the other hand, I don't think the tv ads made any difference. I find it hard to believe that there were any voters who made last-minute switches to the other candidate. I'm pretty sure people's minds were made up early on.

[moose65]

98. I think you're right

In spite of all the noise and the anti-trans ads (which were dispicable), it did come down to economic concerns, as it always does.

I thought Harris ran a good campaign, but she needed to hammer home the fact that the economy is doing well and that it ALWAYS does when Democrats are in charge. That should be the Democrats’ constant message.

[ananda]

20. Excellent observation! And don't forget Russia ...

and all the voter suppression.

[Magoo48]

21. All blame is unless at this point. How we gonna resist? How many ways can we come up with to block their Nazi plans.

[liberalla]

22. "Fuck the narratives that blame Democrats."

I definitely agree with this. Wholeheartedly!

[dsp3000]

23. non traditional media, targeting of immigrant communities with propaganda in their language

[mopinko]

24. she promised to so something about guns.

nobody is saying that out loud, but i think it’s there.
also y both beto and allred lost tx.

[Botany]

25. They cheated.

Trump was facing life in prison and Harris was looking @ a landslide victory. I don't know how but this election was dirty.

This is like after Heidelberg turning over Germany to Hitler. We are fucked.

[liberalla]

33. I feel the same.

I appreciate you saying it. It'll take a while to figure out the how, but the end result will be a truly "rigged" election.

[Botany]

35. Trump and Musk are way dirty.

The results make no sense.

Remember Trump said something like we have it so people voting won't matter.

[liberalla]

67. I do remember that. Last week I posted about something similar that he said,

asking if anyone had the video. Someone must. I saw it several times... once was on a meidas video.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219669680

[underpants]

80. I agree with the OP. I'm seeing a lot of what you are saying on Twitter

He’s going to end with maybe slightly more than 2020 but 12 million votes for Joe went *poof*?

Take all the demographics you want but we carried or won Senate seats in states she lost?

12 million?

[CommonHumanity]

107. I agree that they cheated. THEY cheated. NT

[relayerbob]

26. It's simpler than that

1 - Our country is based and founded on fundamentally sexist and racist principles that far too many, of all races and genders, support.
2 - The GOP has been attacking education since the Reagan era, and we have now dumbed down the population so that most haven't a clue about what to believe.
3 - The media money reinforced those points at every turn. It isn't the root cause, although it's certainly one of the proximate causes.

Sadly, this *is* who we are.

[Tadpole Raisin]

28. Well as Citizens United was called by SCOTUS, corporations

are people to and money is fair game in voting.

Unfortunately it means some people are more fair than others and as George Carlin said it ain’t you.

[Trust_Reality]

55. We have vote per dollar rather than one person one vote.

System is totally rigged by Supreme Court via "Citizens United".

If a corporation is a person, then AT&T, for example should bet ONE vote, right?

[exboyfil]

60. Folks keep saying dumbed down

and I am surrounded by a sea of Trump supporters both at my old job and my current job. They are all engineers, and they are far from dumb. Many are also very knowledgeable about history in addition to science and engineering.

[Lucky Luciano]

90. Some people are just assholes. :shrug:

[Karasu]

120. The fact that you personally happen to know some educated Trump supporters...

...doesn't mean that the majority of the population hasn't been dumbed down for decades. It has.

And the way they vote is indeed what makes them dumb, as most all of them--below the very highest tax brackets--will be finding out the hard way once the leopards come to eat their faces.

[the_liberal_grandpa]

27. Allen Lichtman Explains Why His Prediction Was Wrong

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https://www.youtube.com/live/WuOkzSI9ySo?si=lozvqc_H761QsGxa

Here is Dr. Lichtmans Youtube video from yesterday where he explains if his 9 Keys were wrong or was it something else.

IMPORTANT MUST WATCH!

[Tadpole Raisin]

30. Yah, 1 key. Give me a break. He'd be better not explaining himself or

he should have given the key to TSF.

[UpInArms]

31. The American people have exceedingly short memories

When Biden won in 2020, they knew that TFG was killing them with his covid handling. They only remember the economy that TFG inherited from Obama and credited TFG with the good parts. He gave farmers $40 billion when he put the tariffs on. They do not recall how horrible he was. The msm has done an excellent job of sane washing and turd polishing and allowing the narrative to be how weak Biden is and how Kamala is out to destroy their lives.

[rurallib]

32. This makes total sense to me. You could hardly miss that media

is and was during the campaign almost entirely one sided in all their messaging.

It is essentially what happened to Howard dean. He was on top and all over the place. During an interview with Chris Matthews, Dean said that he thought the media should be broken up. BANG! Almost immediately he disappeared from the media and the media outlook became very anti-Dean.

[PortTack]

36. She lost to because of latino men that voted for tsf...60% of them. 18% of white men

[Trust_Reality]

49. Lesson to be learned...

Don't make promises you cannot keep without having a super majority in congress. The system is rigged in favor Republicans who are owned by big money right wing radicals.

[Trust_Reality]

50. Lesson to be learned

Don't make promises you cannot keep without having a super majority in congress. The system is rigged in favor Republicans who are owned by big money right wing radicals.

[hay rick]

39. This is the root cause.

America has been a zombie democracy, serving the interests of the oligarchic class, for decades. This election only served to discard the pretense of a functional democracy.

[Unca Jim]

40. I don't disagree...

with all the reasons listed, but I feel like a big one was missed.

Life is very hard for a lot of people right now, and it only got harder during the Biden administration. Things got more expensive, people can't afford a place to live in most metro areas, health care is worse and costs more, wages have not kept up, etc.

I get it, Harris had a lot of good ideas to help. Many of those things aren't the Biden administration's fault.

But many people remember they had it better under Trump when the Obama economy was delivering for them.

It's not fair, but there it is.

[Trust_Reality]

48. The system is rigged in favor of big money.

[Wicked Blue]

42. Agree 100%

[mac56]

43. Eggs are too expensive.

There you have it.

[Tadpole Raisin]

63. lol, it's like the people who buy houses and then scream they can't pay their

bills after gas went up $1/gal.

Yah if that made it hard to pay your mortgage you were already underwater.

People consciously delude themselves every day but blame the innocuous for their own decisions.

[hadEnuf]

44. I'll continue to be a broken record.

The oligarchs responded by controlling the messaging in the MSM.

There is the short answer.

[Zeitghost]

75. It's also the wrong answer

They killed us in the new media, they killed us on podcasts that nobody here has heard of that have young, racially diverse audiences that dwarf CNN and other traditional cable news outlets. They killed us on social media with viral memes. They spoke to people where they were at.

[hadEnuf]

99. The main media has mostly been taken over by the right.

Pod casts and social media are just an outgrowth of that trend. The right controls the message because they control the means of messaging. We have watched this happen over decades and nothing meaningful has been done to counter it, so here we finally are.

No, it's not the wrong answer. It's the obvious answer.

[Persondem]

45. I agree 100% that democrats are not to blame but i think

.... the reason is much, much simpler. The USA is still too much of a backwards ass country to elect a woman, especially a woman of color, as president.

[Trust_Reality]

47. Keeping it simple...

It is all in the first paragraph.

The greedy class won. Deceit succeeded. The mobsters won.

[Initech]

53. Yeah I personally blame the billionaire scumbags like Jeff Bezos.

I honestly could sense that something was really fucking wrong when two of the nation’s biggest newspapers - the LA Times and Washington Post - both failed to endorse Kamala and were blocked by their billionaire scumbag owners. Like they knew something we didn’t - and that the fix was in for Orange Fuckface to become God King.

[Fish700]

110. Everyone who voted for Trump knew exactly what they were getting

The MSM wasn't going to tell us anything new. They saw his character and goals and decided that is what they like.

[blueknight73]

54. That all sounds good,

But it is total Bull Shit. She lost because she is a woman, and a woman of color. This country will never elect a woman President for the forseeable future. And that pisses me off

[KYBlue]

56. Racism, lack of empathy, sexism, transphobia, anti-immigrant, and anti woke crowd.

There's so much hate in this country, it's ridiculous.

[LearnedHand]

57. Exactly this

Had the dems taken the White House and kept the Senate, they could have “reformed” the judiciary, especially SCOTUS, who is a now wholly owned subsidiary of Thiel/Leo/Federalist Society.

Edit to add more: I agree with all the others about the voters themselves, but the moneyed interests waged a decades-long war to divide us and then make us hate one another. But the root cause of it all is the gazillionaires.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

59. DEADLINE WHITEHOUSE uncovers REAL REASON Why Kamala Lost - Nicole Wallace MSNBC revealing Insights

Watch the video below. Tuesday's election loss was not due to a bad campaign but due to the fact that voters had a negative impression of the economy and the wrong track numbers were too high. I do NOT think that based on the polling discussed that the Democratic Party has to make drastic changes.

I am a numbers geek. While I do blame part of Kamala's defeat on sexism, I heard today a good explanation as to what one of the major reasons for Tuesday's election results on Deadline White House today. President Biden had an approval rating of around 40% and the wrong track numbers were very high. Historically, an incumbent president tends to get the same percentage of vote as their approval ratings. Here Kamala got 7% or so higher vote compared to Joe Biden's approval rating which is a testament to the fact that she ran a great campaign.

Link to tweet

.

Joe Biden did a great job on the economy and prevented a recession. However the public was still upset at the fact that food and other things cost more and they felt bad about the economy. The high percentage of people who believe that the country was on the wrong track also hurt. In effect, Kamala was facing a very high burden to overcome and was unable to overcome the feelings that the country was on the wrong track and the fact voters were upset about the economy.

[moondust]

62. Poor witto Eloon

Elon Musk's Net Worth Surges by Over $16 Billion After Trump Win

Yes, the oligarchs and wannbe oligarchs had to prevent the former prosecutor with strong moral character from taking the reins and possibly going after them and not handing out pardons. PERIOD.

[mzmolly]

64. Kamala lost because Biden had a low approval rating and she's

a woman.

[nowforever]

65. Doesn't matter

I believe this election will devastate this country and the principals that created a strong democracy. I see the dissolution of this society happening and triggering a worldwide panic and collapse. We have fallen over the precipice and dragged the rest of the 🌎 with us. I hope in 500 years when the humans begin to rise again it will be out of love and peace.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

66. It comes down to this: Kamala wasn't willing to give the microphone a blowjob. nt

[Be The Light]

68. One thing she should have really screamed about

was the fact that trump quashed the immigration bill because he was going to make it
the cornerstone of his campaign. Yet I only heard her mention it once.
Why the fuck not?

[KS Toronado]

69. When the midterms come around

I'd like to see us have a battle plan like occupy wall street, it's the 99% vs the 1% who control
everything and demand more. Let's prove we're the party for the working class.

[wichita]

114. THIS

is what I want to see! An eat the rich platform just as radical as maga is but to HELP people, not hurt them.

[KS Toronado]

118. Welcome to DU wichita

I lived there 40 years while working the aircraft industry

[barbtries]

70. I won't hear of it.

that sets me off like nothing else. She's brilliant, her campaign was brilliant. Propaganda, racism, and misogyny and incessant lies and propaganda. At the end of the day we lost because the people are assholes who don't care about other people.

[liberal N proud]

71. And, she didn't attack trump with lies

[wolfie001]

72. Gaza protesters that sat out or went for Stein, Trump

"Genocide Joe" was their rallying cry. Disgusting naive idiots. Also, Latinos for trump. He also picked up 5% more of the Asian American vote. The young male crowd (esp. whites) was less than enthusiastic. They listen to that Ivermectin moron, Joe Rogaine. And on and on. Now we're condemned to more far right SC justices.

[theplayer]

73. FEAR

God damn it. FEAR is by far the biggest motivation. And fucking Republicans stoked the fear of immigrants for four years unrelentingly. FEAR is a feature of the conservative mind.

[bucolic_frolic]

74. Money and power closed ranks. The last thing they want is a strong AG

backed by a former prosecutor who is President.

Putting big crooks in jail? From the political and oligarch class? NEVER! Barr and Garland were similar in that regard.

[iemanja]

78. Ask yourself this: Why did the middle class vote for Trump?

Clearly, they saw the Dem Party lacking in what it offered them. I realize that DUers aren't interested in reforming the party to enable it to win, and it's not our responsibility. But I hope to God there are some sensible people in the party who are willing to take a hard look at why we lost.

[theplayer]

79. Why?

Why? I'll keep stressing it. People vote on their emotions. Besides fear of immigrants people are not for trans women playing sports or for criminals getting away with their crimes with impunity like what happened in San Francisco. Once they see that they ain't voting for you no matter what you say. No they ain't.

[iemanja]

81. They also voted based on a 20% increase in the cost of goods

Pretending that wasn't the case doesn't help.

[exboyfil]

96. You said it

Waiting for your response to be struck. You grabbed the DU 3rd rail with it.

My very liberal daughter asked why are transwomen playing sports against biologically born women a hill the Democratic party was willing to die on.

Same with the overreaction in 2020 to police and the permissive legal system. I personally feel most cops are trying to do a hard job and many of the Youtube videos where cops misbehave start with them being cordial and trying to do their jobs. It might take a few election cycles to walk away from defund the police instead of putting additional oversight mechanisms to get bad cops off the streets.

I would like to see some sort of points system for immigration that would get most of the DACA rolls citizenship (English speaking and high school/college graduates).

[Mariana]

103. I believe religion was a huge factor.

The majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump.

[Zeitghost]

82. Most of these responses fail badly to realize one important thing

We won big 4 short years ago.

Big money oligarchs didn't suddenly become pro Trump. American political culture didn't change radically in 4 years.


The biggest mistake was our arrogance in thinking we could run anyone against Trump and win. No need for contested primaries, no need to choose a candidate that had actually built a coalition and won a race outside of deep blue California. No need to select a candidate who had broad appeal. Just let party insiders (delegates) pick who they wanted with no discussion. We had it in the bag, massive blue wave that nobody could stop. We might even pick up Texas and Florida, Iowa is in the bag for sure. Just you wait and see.

[exboyfil]

93. Day 1 of Biden administration

A battleground state governor should have been the presumptive candidate. You can't run a Senator unless they are stepping down anyway because you can't lose that seat either.

Alternatively, we need our own cult of personality candidate, but the person can't be an empty suit either because then cult of personality will be out for a more serious politician (someone who has been Senator and VP for example). At least that is what the media will be telling everyone (whatever the Dem candidate is isn't what we want).

The candidate has to play in Peoria.

[llmart]

83. I refuse to blame Democrats.

That is all.

[TBF]

87. Cognitive Dissonance.

You are not going to be able to make sense of it - because it makes no sense.

- working class folks thinking Trump represents/understands them. He wouldn't even acknowledge any of them on his property, unless he assumed they were staff and told them to get him a glass of water or something.

- racism & mixed marriage -- I have a friend who is relatively wealthy and also in a bi-racial marriage. She says she voted Trump because of economy. I think she really believes her money will isolate her somewhat. I hope they have their passports ready, because I'm not nearly as confident that their marriage will remain legal.

- sexism - big one also. This country was willing to go far enough to elect Obama (twice!) but they won't put a woman in the oval office. I don't care what color she is. They're not doing it.

- religion - not trying to be mean but it's a big factor so I can't leave it off the list. If you are religious and it brings you comfort, fine. But it also opens up that door - are you willing to accept things without evidence? My argument is that religious training prepares them to accept things that don't make sense without questioning.

[Bluetus]

92. Did she take on these things? I must have missed that.

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I saw the same stump speech repeated before many crowds, often very excited crowds in large venues. It was a great stump speech -- FOR THE FIRST WEEK. The problem is that it never evolved. Normally, you progressively put meat on the bones as you see what is resonating with audiences. I didn't see any change in the speech from the first day to the last. And what was missing was anything concrete.

We can hate Trump all we want, but he said concrete things. He's going to put big tariffs on all imported goods. He's going to deport 20 million people. He's going to build a big, beautiful wall and have a wonderful new HC system in two weeks -- wait, that was the last campaign. The point is, it doesn't matter if it's true or even doable. The candidate that makes bold claims generally wins, and Harris said nothing specific beyond "we are going to roll back Dobbs", but she wouldn't say how.

The campaign came to measure itself by how big the crowds were. And they were much bigger than Trump's crowds. But it turns out the crowds were there for the event and the personalities, not because they wanted to help the campaign. They came out to see Obama or Beyonce, then went on about their business. Cool, a free show.

[Botany]

94. Reason:

They cheated. (It is what "they" do.) I can't put
my finger on it but this just doesn't pass my smell test. And now Trump will pardon all of the J-6th shits, abandon Ukraine, have all his criminal and civil penalties dropped, let Isreal
flatten Gaza, trash our economy while turning
things over to the crypto currency con men, and end democracy in America with project
2025.

Inflation is just the cover story for the Trump/Musk/Putin/Murdock Coup that started in 2016, continued with J-6th, and now
thus?

If you don't believe that we had major league rat fucking in the election then you will believe
a 78 year old man got a bullet wound to his ear
that healed without leave a scar or a scab in 10 days.

[Montauk6]

95. I was thinking because Dark Brandon thumbed his nose at said oligarchs and picked his Veep

Thus robbing them (LOVE YA, JOE!!!!!) of not just vetting her but snatching away the opportunity to a convention that could've ended up a hot mess. Even now, I still hear "they shoulda gone with Gavin' even though Gavin wasn't having it.

[exboyfil]

97. Gavin would have gotten smoked as well

Maybe a midwest battlestate governor.

[southmost]

100. voter.purges

mass free dispersal of right wing propaganda as news

[Nasruddin]

101. A couple other things

Not discounting things people point to, but a few others to consider:
1 - The body autonomy / Dobbs reaction has run its course - people are OK with what (they think) has / is going to happen
(also look at the split voting on this)
2 - The Lincoln Project scrape a few percent of Republicans off has run its course
3 - Normalcy bias is a huge problem
We are taking for granted that things after this will be normal ie we are not believing our own warnings about the consequences of this election. We're not alone, look at the stock market
(related) polling appears to be completely useless - I don't mean that I was tricked by it, who cares, but apparently the campaigns were. Useful info about whether your message is working or not appears to be unavailable
The polling "science" has gotten to a point where it's unfalsifiable (margin of error management)
4 -Timur Kuran's Preference Falsification theory is even more important than I thought it was (closely related to the uselessness of polling)

[ancianita]

102. That's only one reason. She might have done what you say, but the working class didn't believe her.

It was because of the oligarch funded lying ad campaign about her "lies" and "flip flops" that convinced them to not support her. We should have watched them. They were scary lies. In the future, DU owner/admins should not shrink from allowing our opponents' campaign ads that reveal what they're telling the electorate across the right wing media spectrum. It's important to know what their messaging is. We missed that to our peril. We should change our attitude about seeing the opposition's messaging and stop silo perspective we're shown.

The other major thing that sunk Harris was the racist/misogynist-based distrust across every voter demographic from white women to black men to latinos to the working class voter.

They just can't trust a woman as president, even less as commander-in-chief. Can we overcome that? Doubtful. But we can find their right wing markets and do ad buy there in the future. We missed that to our peril.

Your reason is okay. But. From the outside-msm news sites I've read, there are more fact based the basic reasons I keep reading that we are ignoring, or only mention.
We need to pay attention to these other journalists' reports of on-the-ground truths, not just the ones we want to believe. Or we'll shoot ourselves in the foot again.

The fact that we have not had a real post mortem from our favorite strategists is telling -- it says a lot about how hard a time they're having about figuring out the causes of this election loss.

[BurnDoubt]

104. Forgetting....

Prices were set by his golfing buddies in their posh offices

[aka-chmeee]

105. The reason is standing right out front.

73 MILLION cretins!

[Trueblue Texan]

106. I agree...Kamala and her supporters did everything they could...

She ran a brilliant campaign and worked like no male candidate ever did. Democrats worked tirelessly wherever they were needed and provided time and sweat to a well organized ground operation. Apart from stupidity of MAGAts, I don't have a better answer....except, I did have an interesting thought a little while ago. It may be completely off track...but I wonder....

With TFG threatening mass deportations of Latinos, could it be that Latino men "obeyed in advance", trying to be the model citizens Trump would value as a voting bloc? It was just a thought. Could they have thought that joining his base in such numbers would make TFG rethink those policies? Nahhh....that's probably too nuanced...it was probably nothing more than Machismo and racism.

[anamnua]

108. There are essentially two reasons

Paired X chromosomes.

[residentcynic]

109. Harris's Ad Team Failed

During television watched predominantly by males, Trump and his PACs would easily run 5 ads to every 1 run by Harris. Trump's ads were hard hitting, connecting Harris with every crime ever committed by an immigrant, claiming she'd start WW3, and tying her to transgender medical care policies, some of which were actually put in place under Trump. Harris's commercial would typically be about Trump implementing tariffs on imported goods (which most people don't understand) or women's healthcare, which, sadly, isn't an issue bothering the majority of males viewing a sporting event. You never saw an ad showing Trump faltering at one of his rallies, or claiming windmills cause cancer. You never saw an ad talking about the million people who died of COVID when he was President. It was like criticizing Trump was off limits. Democrats cannot win if they don't play the game and, if they don't win, they'll never be able to affect policy.

[Tribetime]

112. I blame musk for polluting social media eith fslse claims

With 2.5 billion views influencing plenty of young men

[spanone]

113. K&R

[iemanja]

115. It's not that simple

While the difference of the two candidates on the super rich is what you describe, there were many more reasons for our defeat. Realize that Trump won more voters making under $50k than Harris did. Those voters have traditionally gone with Democrats. They aren't voting for the super rich. They were reacting to increased prices and hardship in their lives, and Trump was a change from the current administration. Immigration was also a major issue, especially since Trump connected it to the economic hardship many voters were angry about.

Some of the post-mortems on YouTube (and posted here on DU) have had some good analyses about the reasons for our loss. It's not a simple explanation, and there are many more factors than I have mentioned here.

[Baggies]

116. That's not a reason

If someone wants to feel good about themselves, then point the finger of blame at others.

If you want to know the real reason why things went sideways, then you have to insist that the finger be pointed at yourself. Not blaming Democrats or the party or the candidate or the platform, etc… will lead to false conclusions which, quite frankly, a bunch of incorrect reasons why we lost is all I’ve been reading here the last 3 days.

[summer_in_TX]

117. The oligarchs have heavy investments in RW media.

Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won?
It wasn’t the economy. It wasn’t inflation, or anything else. It was how people perceive those things, which points to one overpowering answer.

https://newrepublic.com/post/188197/trump-media-information-landscape-fox

This is the year in which it became obvious that the right-wing media has more power than the mainstream media. It’s not just that it’s bigger. It’s that it speaks with one voice, and that voice says Democrats and liberals are treasonous elitists who hate you, and Republicans and conservatives love God and country and are your last line of defense against your son coming home from school your daughter.

And that is why Donald Trump won. Indeed, the right-wing media is why he exists in our political lives in the first place.

[Yellowdog-1966]

119. Kinda reminds me of Bernie Sanders

[oldinmtdem92]

124. they cheated

after it is too late we will find out how they did cheat the vote!!

[Bettie]

125. That's why they spent so much money

but a bigger reason is misogyny.

This country hates women. She's not a white woman, so there was the racism angle as well.

The media: they let anything any republican does slide and acts like it's normal, if a Democrat says a true thing that republicans don't like, they call it a 'gaffe'.

[sky_masterson]

126. She ran a near perfect campaign

She could do no right and Trump was Just being Trump.
Trump could sit in the Background cutting paper dolls out of the constitution and the Media would go over how she laughs.
We lost because people don't pay attention, hate sells,Trump used repetition and slogans to hypnotize, Republicans cheated like always,Harris couldn't shake Biden whose approval numbers were in an area where Presidents don't normally win reelection, People are educated by media that tells them half truths and shields them from anything Negative about Trump,White women and Hispanic Males and a greater amount of Black people believed what they were told.
They believe what he says is Just Bluster, he wont do any of it, and if he does, I'm safe.
We lost because Biden did such a good Job but still couldn't escape age, the dumb ass Covid denier crowd, the Narrative.
We are ,as a nation about to find out.

[claudette]

127. What does

TSF stand for?

[MichMan]

128. I don't believe they ran a flawless campaign unlike many others here

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First off, no campaign is without flaws. Most are inconsequential, but are magnified for the side that loses and leads to a lot of second guessing.

Given the short timeframe, it was going to be a challenge, yet that may have actually helped her. Some Trump supporters I know who thought Biden was sure to lose, were getting pretty nervous after the convention. Once the initial momentum started to wane however, the campaign struggled to keep it going. Every rally seemed exactly the same other than being in a different city.

VP Harris was part of an administration with poor favorability ratings. While it was going to be difficult or uncomfortable for her to distance herself from Biden, when asked, she couldn't come up with anything. Who would have thought that an appearance on The View would have been a stumbling block. The campaign had to know what questions were likely to come (economy, inflation, border, middle east) yet they couldn't prepare a concise reply, other than a pivot to how bad Trump is. Even SNL made fun of her "I came from a middle class family" answer to every question about the economy.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but had she been able to articulate for example that the Biden border response was indeed ineffective and laid out what she would do as president to correct it, voters would have understood. While she was correct in bringing up the failed border bill from this year, it had nothing to do with the record numbers in 2021 & 2022 even had it been passed.

While it was a stunt, the Trump McDonalds appearance was much more effective to reach voters than bringing out celebrities like Beyonce and Springsteen. Ultimately, it seemed like they were risk adverse, too cautious, and afraid of making any mistakes.

[lonely bird]

129. Why?

There is no one “reason why”.

There are multiple factors.

In no particular order…

While political parties can do whatever they wish in selecting a candidate the image projected by Biden’s decision under duress, right or wrong, was terrible.

The “media” no longer exists as it did. It has fractured. Legacy media is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Social media and the narcissistic drive to make oneself important in a toxic society has created an alternative media with massive power and no interest in truth.

Governing parties around the world got hammered by voters due to responses to inflation. That Biden did far better was irrelevant.

The public was up in arms over inflation as though government could do anything about it without causing even more havoc. What happened during Reagan’s first term? Volcker “killed” inflation with skyhigh interest rates causing a recession. Of course, he didn’t kill inflation since inflation is a psychological greed/fear response.

Racism, misogyny, xenophobia, cognitive dissonance, political inertia (always voting for one particular party no matter the situation) and lack of critical thinking all played large roles.

Regarding the economy, it will take a massive intervention by government to even make small changes that will not damage people even more. Nothing Trump can do will change that. Take housing, it would require suspending zoning regulations to build denser housing. Do people want denser housing? It would require coming down hard on PE ownership of rental properties. This would mean across the board rent control. Building multi-family and single family homes will inevitably cost more because suppliers and contractors will try to gain as much profit as possible with price increases in raw materials and labor. That would have to be stepped on.

Does anyone think that this would go down well.

As for food? Price freezes and wage freezes would be required.

That ain’t about to happen. People want what they want without consideration as to the how.

[Rhiagel]

130. Crime Pays.

At least if you are born rich or acquire wealth through ill-gotten gains.