I see so many posts calling the voters who didn't support Harris "stupid"

[onenote]

Calling them names may make you feel better, but do you think it helps win them over to our side? Keep in mind that some of those same voters undoubtedly supported Biden in 2020 and either switched to Trump, a third party, or stayed home.

I get the need to vent. But its not a long term strategy for success.

[LisaL]

1. What do we need to win them over for?

It's not like we ever going to be able to vote again.

[onenote]

4. I get the despair. But I'm confident you are wrong.

[thinkingagain]

90. Why?

He pretty much said he wants to be a dictator from day one
He has house senate and the court
And has help with the frigin news and social
Media owners
What’s stopping him but we the people
We’d be mowed down by the military and police he can control

I really hope I am wrong and you are right

Sorry I try not to go down that road but
Every once in a while I slide

[AkFemDem]

129. I honestly can't wait until this initial panic and doomsdaying is over...

so we can get back to work. 2026 is only 2 years away, we're going to have more elections no matter how dark it feels right now, campaigns are already well underway and we need to regroup and refocus. It's time to focus on the Next Thing

[elleng]

5. The House, the Senate, and the White House

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[TexLaProgressive]

26. And the courts

[brush]

158. And the corrupt SCOTUS 6. We are screwed. I'm keeping my head down and hoping to ride it out.

[Mz Pip]

2. Maybe not stupid

but certainly willfully ignorant

[Xoan]

75. There's a difference?

[travelingthrulife]

3. they are pretending none of the Trump crimes/trials were real.

Maybe not stupid but malevolence.

[SARose]

65. Yes

Can’t speak for all Trumpy voters just for my family. They truly believe he is joking about much of what he says.

In my family

1) the majority get their news from the right wing echo chamber of lies. They are willfully ignorant and proud of it. How long will they believe the sky is green?

2) They believe he has been unfairly accused of crimes he did not commit.

3) They truly do not believe Project 2025 will ever happen.

They are in for a big ole world of hurt. Will Rogers said it best

There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

[magicarpet]

131. MALICIOUS..... CONTEMPTUOUS....

[Ysabel]

7. I don't want to make excuses for them...

I don't think they deserve any sort of kindness on my part.

- I would just rather they die out ASAP...

[Strelnikov_]

8. Yea, that's the ticket

[AfternoonJoe]

9. Hmmm

I will call them stupid until I see how we do in midterms. Then maybe we can switch it up. For now they will need it pointed out to them what an idiotic choice they made. Later they will come to this realization on their own and THEN we can show what we can do in place of this misogyny and hate they are bringing to the world.

[tgraf66]

104. You're assuming...

...that there will even *be* mid-term elections. I'm not terribly sanguine about that.

[Tigerpal]

10. Not necessarily stupid, but...

Disinformation won the election. Too many people consume only right wing media and never hear anything else. They've been told repeatedly that TFG is wonderful and the Democrats are unfairly persecuting/prosecuting him. I don't know how we combat that.

[PhilosopherKing]

50. No

They are stupid. It was clear who Trump was/is.

[FSogol]

11. Questions

Are we personally calling them names or generally calling them names?

And secondly, if they didn't pay attention to the damage Trumpy and company are planning on inflicting on America, why do you think they are paying attention to us calling them stupid?

[onenote]

37. Because the republicans will make an effort to tell them we're calling them stupid.

[yardwork]

45. Who cares.

[onenote]

52. I guess folks that have no plans for winning an election going forward don't care.

The absolute defeatism on this thread is quite astonishing to me.
I'll say it again: voters are fickle. Obama got fewer votes in 2012 than 2008 and Clinton got fewer still, and then Biden got 81+ million in 2020. That had to include a lot of the voters people here are writing off as stupid, ignorant, evil, etc.

If that's the strategy folks think will result in voters coming back to us, it's a bad strategy. But I'm getting the feeling that a lot of posters have given up. I for one am not prepared to concede that we will never win an election again.

[yardwork]

55. If read my posts here you'll see that I'm not giving up.

I just disagree with the entire premise of your OP.

[Pisces]

120. We need to lean into the stupid and run a straight white male with charisma. This is all a Tik Tok show now

KISS ( keep it simple stupid) one of the oldest sales techniques out there.

The people can only digest 4th grade vocabulary and they want to be entertained. Everyone is just angry and frustrated that stupidity rules the day, not experts or qualified people with long resumes.
It’s sad and embarrassing how low we’ve come.

[FSogol]

49. They'll tell them that anyway. They told them Biden called them garbage which wasn't true. n/t

[soandso]

145. It was true

“The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters. His demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American. It’s totally contrary to everything we’ve done, everything we’ve been.”

I don't see any point in trying to deny it. That's like Trump denying he said some stupid shit. He said it, plain as day, and it's history. Besides, I doubt it made any difference with any voters and a few Trumpers dressed up in garbage bags.

[womanofthehills]

159. Unfortunately, it was true - Biden's exact words are all over social media

Biden was probably thinking something else but unfortunately it came out wrong.

Calling people who have a different opinion than you names is not a winning strategy.

[NorCalBlue]

12. I used to be a Republican. I disagree

I switched under W. Bush.

It happened because some of my spouted “feelings” were stupid and those around me called me on it. Some even laughed at me.

I was young and dumb. It made me wonder if they were right. I realized they were. And I became a Democrat.

Thanks Mom for being one of those people. I know you’re reading this.

[yardwork]

47. Thank you for sharing a real example.

In the face of billionaire-funded disinformation, our only hope for saving democracy is to talk with people we know.

If we don't speak up, if we remain silent out of politeness or a desire not to cause awkwardness or fear of not being liked, then we allow the people we know to get all their information from highly biased sources that are promoting what billionaire sociopaths want.

We can quietly, politely let the billionaire sociopaths create our world or we can start talking to people.

[onenote]

63. Talking to people we know that didn't support Harris is a terrific start.

One of the first positive suggestions I've seen.
But my point is that if the person you're trying to convince thinks you regard them as stupid or beyond redemption, you're not likely to get anywhere.

[yardwork]

70. You haven't read your own thread if this is the first positive suggestion you've seen.

[onenote]

72. Okay. Point taken. But most people seem more interested in disagreeing with me than suggesting a strategy

You can't deny that there are a lot of posts here that basically take the position that anyone who voted for Trump is now and forever a lost cause and don't offer any suggestion of how to get any of them back.

[yardwork]

73. I think we're all tired, discouraged, and worried.

I work in the healthcare and medical research world. The president-elect has promised to turn healthcare over to RFK, Jr.. This is not a policy difference. This is literally burning things down. The FDA, which protects us from poison marketed as medicines flooding the market, in the hands of a man who doesn't believe in science. The NIH in the hands of a man who thinks vaccines should be outlawed.

The military in the hands of Trump, who has promised to abandon our allies, quit NATO, and turn the military on "the enemy within." A man who promises to be a dictator. A man who said that people "will never have to vote again."

This is not Reagan v Carter or even W v Gore. This is a man whose followers literally praise Hitler in charge of the United States, with Congress and the Supreme Court supporting him.

If we can't call this stupid, what is stupid? How many DUers do you think are advocating for insulting people to their faces? That's a non-problem. It's a distraction. If anything, Democrats have been much too quiet and polite.

[Hekate]

123. Thx, yardwork, and best of luck

[TheKentuckian]

98. Talk to them about what? Devils, idiots, and traitors.

Their choices are in them not me.

They can speed on or be peed on.

This is enemy action.

[Meadowoak]

64. Same thing happened to me, and I now thank them

For calling me stupid. Then I began to question wether I had it wrong, and I did.

[Emile]

122. So they're dumb.

[milestogo]

13. Anyone who voted for Trump instead of Harris IS stupid.

And that's putting it nicely.

And now that the election is over blacks and women are getting horrible, vile messages on social media from MAGATs. You think we're going to get them on our side? No, they are full of hate.

[onenote]

39. So what is your strategy for winning elections?

Again, there are a great many voters that switch back and forth. Biden got 81+ million votes. A few million of them either switched to Trump, a third party, or stayed home. Without them, what is your plan for winning an election.

[Meadowoak]

67. If we ever get another shot at a presidential election,

I hope we've learned our lesson. We won't win with a woman or a POC. We've been burned twice. America is just not there yet, and maybe never will be. I hope I didn't offend anyone, but that's just how it is.

[Hekate]

127. We got Barack Obama, a man. Then Trump defeated Hillary, a woman. Trump lost to Joe, a man. Then...

…then Trump won again, by defeating Kamala, a woman.

I think a POC who runs as a Democrat will have a good chance — providing he has a penis.

If there is anything this election has taught me it is that misogyny in this country runs bone deep.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. To prefer a demented, senile, hate-spewing felon to two of the most experienced and best qualified candidates we have ever run.

[Scrivener7]

167. This might be true, but Obama was one in a million. I'm not sure I would want to risk

it in the next election where we get a chance to put up a candidate.

I hate it, but to be safe, I think we just need to put up a Tim Walz or Gavin Newsom look-alike. I can't have my heart broken like this again.

[Trueblue1968]

125. I agree with you.! Stupid, stupid.

[Yavin4]

14. WE. ARE. NEVER. GOING. TO. WIN. THEM. TO. OUR. SIDE.

THEY DO NOT WANT A DIVERSE NATION.
THEY DO NOT WANT WOMEN TO HAVE BODILY AUTONOMY.
THEY DO NOT WANT DEMOCRACY.

THERE IS NO WINNING THEM TO OUR SIDE

[harumph]

15. Thank you. A voice of sanity.

That said, while (we) may not win them over to our position. Events that are going to unfold and affect them directly (may)
cause them to rethink (or begin to think - as it were).

[magicarpet]

146. MAGA is so stupid they can not fathom the ramifications of their,...

... voting decisions. They were told and told and told some more,... do not touch the hot stove or your fingers will get burnt.

Now that they put The Orange Menace back in there - it is time for a different approach from us.

Sit back and do not intercede. ReThugs always overplay the hand they were dealt. The people who voted for this Fascist Traitor,.. sit back and let them bear hug the hot stove. Then and only then will they feel the hot stove, feel the burns, see the scared damaged flesh, then maybe they will learn the error of their ways.

Fascism may seem an expedient way to get things done duthlessly and quickly. It may seem macho and manly. But it is like playing with a flame thrower. If the wind quickly changes direction you can suddenly end up with disfiguring third degree burns.

Trump's second term may finally teach them that Democracy may be slower but far less volatile and explosive than speed of light extreemism of Fascism.

These Trump voter have brought a world of hurt and a world of pain down upon themselves, they just don't know that yet. Wait until they realize the Libs they so joyfully seek to own with all the Trump hurt and pain were not the only victims. The person they see in the mirror is also a victim of that hurt and pain. This election gave the 1% and ultra rich oligarchic class the means to finally pilfer and plunder the US Treasury so it all ends up in their pockets.

Becareful what you wish for djt voters,.. you ain't the 1%,... the spoils from this economic war will not be divided into your pockets.

[StarryNite]

16. Exactly.

They saw him do and heard him say all the things we saw and heard and they voted for him not in spite of it but because of it.

[LeftInTX]

24. They may have not seen all of this.

Lots of people still get voting info from their local newscast ads etc.

I only watched Trump's acceptance speech. I don't "watch Trump"

[onenote]

41. You realize a whole lot of them voted for Biden in 2020. They switched and they might switch back

But we need a strategy that tries to get them back, not one that gives up on them.

[Yavin4]

58. Did they? You have data showing that? n/t

[onenote]

160. Yes. From the exit polls

I don't have time to post the data now, but will tonight or tomorrow morning. It essentially shows that 44% of this year's voters voted for Biden in 2020 and 43 percent voted for Trump in 2020 ( 2 percent had voted 3rd party and 10 percent of this year's voters didn't vote in 2020 ). Of the 2020 Biden voters, 94 stuck with Harris, but 6 percent switched to Trump this. And of the 2020 Trump voters, 96% stuck with Trump and 4 percent switched to Harris.

I'll translate all of that into actual numbers when I get a chance.

[consider_this]

79. IMO, anyone who voted Biden in 2020 and switched HAS to be stupid...

at least to the point that if nothing we stand for is worth it to them now - what would we have to court them with in the future?
These are probably the type that are basically uninformed or apathetic and just say - "I am eternally dissatisfied with government, so remove the 'incumbents'' when voting.
Or self-owning ineffective protest votes - ugh!

[dpibel]

110. Then why are Trump's numbers flat?

It's not as if Trump has racked up a whole lot more votes than he did in 2020.

There's just a bloc of people who voted for Biden, but who sat this one out. Those are just the numbers.

I agree with many on this thread: Anyone who voted for Trump is never going to vote for a Democrat. Not calling the names makes no difference.

[hatrack]

117. Links. Data or it didn't happen.

.

[onenote]

161. See post #160.

For the record, I try not to post anything I can't back up.

[Scrivener7]

138. The strategy is to run a white middle-aged straight protestant male.

That's the strategy that will win them back.

Us calling them stupid is not the issue.

[soandso]

149. Trump got around the same number of votes in 2020 and 2024

So there was no shift to Biden and back for him.

[onenote]

162. That's a very simplistic -- and incorrect -- analysis.

There was shifting. In addition, 10 percent of the voters this year didn't vote in 2020. Two percent had previously voted in an election prior to 2020 and eight percent were first time voters.

Also see post #160.
I'll post the entire analysis when I get a chance tonight or tomorrow. It's quite revealing.

[soandso]

164. I'm saying his numbers (number of votes)

didn't change. Obviously not all the same people. People die, new voters register, but there was no surge in support/votes for Trump. R votes have been steady, climbing a little, over the past few general elections. It's the Democratic vote that has the anomaly with a huge surge in 2020 and those votes (numbers) did not move to the Trump column in this election.

Harris is still down 11 million votes from Biden in 2020. That is a huge number of votes! Where they hell did they go? Were they just Trump haters who registered, voted in 2020, and then lost interest, never to vote again? I have no idea but it should be analyzed by counties to see where vote totals rose in 2020 and then fell in 2024. I assume there are people who do that stuff and will be digging into it.

[TheFarseer]

78. No one is talking about

Winning over hardcore Newsmax watchers or Ben Shapiro listeners. Hillary won Latino men by 30%. Biden won them decisively. Kamala LOST them decisively. We need to figure out what this group needs and fight to get them back - among other groups.

[Scrivener7]

139. This group needs a white middle-aged protestant straight male.

Really, people. This isn't rocket science.

[TheFarseer]

165. I think we need to think outside of identity politics

Trump and, let’s say, Sherrod Brown are the same demographically but not even close on policy. I’m guessing you would expect Latino men to vote for Sherrod Brown.

[Scrivener7]

166. Identity politics is what lost us this election. Sad as it makes us, some Democrats and democratically aligned voters

are racist and sexist. We have been beaten over the head with this fact twice now when we ran amazing candidates who were beaten by Baby Huey.

Let's learn the lesson and not have our hearts broken again.

[Zeitghost]

100. That depends entirely on which "Them" we're talking about

For most you are right, we will never appeal to them.

But for some, we have got them before, as recently as 2020 and we can get them again. But insisting all of them are the racist, misogynist idiots is not the way to win them back.

[Scrivener7]

142. THOSE voters, the ones who voted for Biden and then

stayed home this year, ARE racist misogynistic idiots. But we can get them back by running a white, middle-aged, straight, protestant male.

Democrats and democratically allied groups have a percentage of racist misogynistic assholes. We need to understand this.

[SamKnause]

17. Fuck them !!!

[Quiet Em]

18. how about cruel and selfish.

These people know who he is, what he says, and what he wants to do. And they voted for him anyway.

[Emile]

19. What would you call people who blamed

Democrats for the Worldwide Inflation?

[RobinA]

53. Or Biden For

a hurricane. I don't call them stupid out loud, but they are stupid in my head. If the shoe fits...

[WarGamer]

20. Ironic, isn't it? That's precisely one of the factors that lost the race...

[DeepWinter]

21. I agree

For being stupid people, they certainly win a lot. Doesn't quite add up.

[hlthe2b]

22. I'm with you (sorta) but do you honestly think ANYTHING would have brought them to our side?

They made a conscious (in most cases-- ignoring the truly uninformed) choice to embrace authoritarianism and the embracing of overt bigotry and hate. It isn't an intent to make you and I feel better to refer to the many as manifesting cult behavior. It is true. If we are not honest about what we are facing, I honestly don't know how we can turn it around.

[onenote]

48. Probably not in this election. I think the result was baked in early on.

Biden's favorability tanked in 2021 and never really recovered. Harris was saddled by her association with the Biden administration and by other factors, such as misogyny and racism among a segment of the voters. But its not as if every woman that ran or every person of color that ran lost -- some even won in places where Harris lost.

As I noted above, Biden received 81+ million votes. Without doubt that included a number of voters that some people think we should simply give up on because they didn't support Harris. Obama won re-election, but he got fewer votes in 2012 than in 2008 and Clinton got fewer votes in 2016 than Obama and then Biden got a lot more votes than either Obama or Clinton. There is the "base" that reliably votes for one party no matter what. And then there are a bunch of voters -- independents or voters who nominally register with one party but don't vote with the party all the time -- sometimes they vote third party, sometimes they vote republican, sometimes they just don't vote at all.

There is an assumption that everyone that voted against Harris is evil or stupid. A large number are evil, no doubt. But a large number simply are low information voters who felt that things hadn't gone that swimmingly for them the past four years and voted for change. Many of these voters supported Biden in 2020 for the same reason -- they didn't like how things had gone the previous four years and decided to vote for change. Voters can be fickle and we need to recognize that fickleness and find a way to turn it back to our advantage not simply give up and hide under a rock thinking its going to magically get better. Here on DU, we're plugged in a 1000 percent more than the average voter. 150 million people voted. How many do you think regularly watch television news? Read newspapers? Get information from unbiased social media sources? There is large segment of voters that, for any number of reasons, are more focused on their daily lives than on politics. Wish it wasn't true but it is.

If we give up on all of them, what is the strategy going forward to win an election. That's the question I think needs to be addressed.

[Meowmee]

109. They are not reading du

They are truly evil. There is no way anyone by now does not know what he is, a fascist psychopath. If you don’t know that you are stupid and should not be allowed to vote imo. They don’t care what you call them and they despise the other which is everyone who is against him.

If you vote for a fascist psycho who wants to burn the constitution etc. and who murdered millions of Americans for any reason something is seriously wrong with you beyond repair.

They either like it or chose to ignore all of it for whatever reasons, self gain etc.

[hunter]

23. What else do you call people who have to learn everything the hard way...

... or die trying?



Trump voters are literally a danger to themselves and others.

I'm not talking from any high horse. I've done countless stupid things that have scarred me for life.

I'd be profoundly stupid if I hadn't learned anything from that stupidity. Or dead.

[PhilosopherKing]

25. Yes?

Because they are?

[claudette]

27. They are - aren't they?

Who in their right mind votes for a lying vulgar convicted felon over a decent honest human being? No one with a brain or a heart.

[Hotler]

28. When will someone lecture the fascist about calling us names?

[MustLoveBeagles]

40. Thank you

[TheKentuckian]

105. The bogus scolds are their duplicitous allies.

Somehow the fingers are always wagging in our faces and the motherfuckers burning the world for shits and giggles get sympathy and excuses.

[patphil]

29. I don't need to resort to name calling; just sit back and watch the Trump presidency play out.

Over time, people can have that discussion with the face in the mirror.
How many will realize that they chose poorly?

[Xavier Breath]

36. Sadly, not as many as should.

[patphil]

69. Yeah, I left that as an open question, even though I already knew the answer.

[Omnipresent]

30. I'm sure many of them held their noses for trump, because they were desperate.

[viva la]

88. Desperate for what?

Trump agitates people and then assures them he's their only hope.

[Omnipresent]

91. They somehow think he's going to help them lower housing costs, for one thing

We all know, he’s going to give them a small tax cut that won’t amount to shit.
Most of them will turn on him in 2026 and take his majorities away.
Trump has no plausible solutions to fix anything.

[viva la]

94. He does usually find a way to ease the terrible tax plight

of billionaires.

[TheKentuckian]

118. Nonfuckingsense. No one on Earth can point to a damn thing he has on

offer to the desperate.

That fool is not only incompetent but openly has nothing but tax cuts for the uber wealthy, to rocket fuel more inflation, lethal austerity, and to crush labor even joking and backslapping with Musk about firing people for exorcising their rights.

The excuses are beyond ridiculous.

The motherfuckers aren't just stupid, they are certifiable and no small number straight up evil.

[Ferrets are Cool]

31. Is ignorant or blissfully ignorant better?

Fuck em. They fucked us....and themselves, they just don't realize it yet.

[orange jar]

32. It's certainly not helpful.

I'm seeing social media posts of people hoping that their Trump-voting siblings get abused by the fathers of their children. Celebrities like Cardi B saying that they hope Trump supporters all die feeds into the "elites are against us" mentality that attracted so many to Trump in the first place.

I continue to be stunned at the number of people who think this is convincing anyone to join our side. People absolutely hate the condescension and vote against it out of spite, as we clearly saw on November 5.

[jalan48]

33. Blaming the voters means our Party leaders don't have to explain what went wrong. We really saw this in 2016.

[orange jar]

38. Can't really explain what the problems are

when there's a high likelihood you'll get doxed and threatened for doing so.

[Fish700]

95. They are busy blaming each other!

[JohnSJ]

34. I wouldn't call them stupid. I would call them people who had no problem supporting a racist, sexist, bigot,

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who incited people to try to overthrow the government.

There is no white-washing about that . It is who they are.

The view that "some of them supported Biden" is meaningless. The fact that election was extremely close that could have gone either way, doesn't mean there was strong support for him in the first place.

As for trying to "win" them over to "our side". If things go the way I suspect they will, trump and his thugs will do that job quite effectively as they find the world of trump isn't quite as "rosy" as they thought it would be. It may be too late by then for some of them, like it was during the mishandling of the pandemic.

[kacekwl]

62. I was going to reply

but you said it all.

[GreenWave]

35. As my tweenager said many moons ago about adults:

If they are gullible enough to believe us,
we are going to keep saying it.

There you have the business model for Fox, RW talk shows, RW churches etc.

[Emile]

42. Masochists sound better?

[yardwork]

43. Are we allowed to hold Trump supporters to the same standard?

I'm not suggesting that we call people names. We have higher standards. So, why do we tolerate half the country supporting somebody with no standards?

In just the closing days of the campaign Trump called his opponent a whore and JD Vance called her trash. There was no outrage. It's normalized.

But Biden stumbled over his words while defending Puerto Rico and the media went crazy for days.

Your telling me I can't refer generally to Trump supporters as stupid, on an anonymous message board, sounds like a church pastor telling an abused wife not to speak up or her husband will hit her harder the next time.

Have you seen what they call us on social media? Gone to Twitter lately? The big thing today is "Your body, my rights." But we're not allowed to even call that stupid?

Excuse my language, but fuck that.

[Emile]

44. Thank you! K&R

[markpkessinger]

46. Here's the choice: it's either "stupid," or it's . . .

. . . "vile, malevolent bigots." "Stupid" would appear to be the more charitable description!

[blue cat]

51. For crying out loud!

Let people vent without the what if policing!

[onenote]

56. "Policing"? Since when is expressing an opinion on DU "policing".

Folks are expressing an opinion. I'm suggesting a different course. I can't stop people from saying things I think they shouldn't but I won't be silenced either.

[JustAnotherGen]

54. I don't care about them

And they don't care about me - or trying to win me over to their side.

At this point, they are just in the way and I can't wait until they start eating their own. They always do.

[Happy Hoosier]

57. Honestly, a lot are.

I had so many arguments with MAGAts who seem to honestly believe high tarriffs will LOWER prices.

That's a level of stupid that cannot be fixed.

[Freethinker65]

59. They were. My progressive idealist son was one of them.

Swears if we didn't live in a solid Blue State he would have voted for Harris. I said he was partly to blame for the situation we are in now. His attitude was shared by many of his generation where it mattered. Frustrating, especially after I did convince my conservative never-Trump husband to vote for Harris.

[Blue Full Moon]

60. They call everyone one else worse. Truth hurts.

[flvegan]

61. It's a statement of fact. They are stupid.

Though it may also be cathartic, it doesn't change the fact that it's a statement well based in reality.

[Lotusflower70]

66. Hmmm

There is no winning over racists and misogynists

[RockRaven]

68. Misidentifying who you're dealing with isn't a long term strategy for success.

The Democratic Party needs to recognize who they are losing before they can identify how to win them over. And that certainly includes many stupid people.

[badhair77]

71. I'm not worried about the venting for another week or so.

Not everyone is in rebuild mode so I’m letting people work through their pain on their own timeline. The time will come for uniting and going after those who didn’t vote or who saw trump as their solution. Some things can’t be forced.

[Behind the Aegis]

74. From the past....

[Hekate]

150. That never, ever gets old

[zanana1]

76. I would call them gullible.

[EnergizedLib]

77. The way I'd treat them

Remember, we can’t assume that just because they didn’t vote for us doesn’t mean they’re a dyed-in-the-wool cultist.

Even if they were, you never know whom you could convert.

So, you’re not going to win them over by belittling or talking down to them.

What you can do is treat them like they are victims, emphasize that trump’s policies have hurt them, explain how these policies have hurt them, first of all explain what a tariff is, how they backfired the first time around and what an epic failure will be/are the second time around.

Instead of celebrities singing and performing and campaign rallies, bring up real people on stage at rallies to share their stories about their struggles and how these policies have/will affect them. More people will resonate with that than a free concert from Beyoncé, Cardi B., Megan Thee Stallion, etc.

[Keepthesoulalive]

132. They won't listen

If I did or said the things that vile cretin said, they would put me away.
Instead the clapped and cheered and voted for him. He’s a con man and a the majority of Americans who voted for him were willing marks.

[LPBBEAR]

80. Stupid is the

mildest word I would use for them.

[Wingus Dingus]

81. If someone voted for the Orange Antichrist, they're either

A: Assholes or B: Stupid or C: Both. It's dishonest to pretend otherwise.

[Silent Type]

82. In a democracy, the stupid have a voice. Wouldn't be a Democracy if it were otherwise. Sucks sometimes.

[Blaukraut]

84. Calling them stupid is giving them the benefit of the doubt

Because, as others have already said, the alternative is worse.

[The Third Doctor]

85. Calling them stupid is still being civil

The magats have and are calling us far worse. I don't care about their feelings. The only way they will change is for them to fuck around and find out. I'm done trying to educate adults.

[walkingman]

86. It works for Trump...obviously. Us Dems tend to be more civil than the GOP but it must not work?

[mnhtnbb]

87. The definition of stupid

is showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.

In my book, voting against your own best interests for a known pathological liar and con man IS stupid.

[Rigpa108]

89. Calling them "stupid"?

How about "idiots"? That may be better.
The gloves are off.
What does "reaching across the aisle" get you? It get's your arm chopped off. That's what it gets you.
Tell me, did the nice-talking presidential candidate win the election?

[krawhitham]

92. no one said it was a long term strategy for success, but if you voted for the traitorous rapist, YOU'RE STUPID

or a racist

[nini]

93. Stupid is mild to what I think. Deluded wanna be fascists is more like it

Playing nice with fascists is never wise and the sooner everyone realizes that is exactly what we’re dealing with - the better.

[Iggo]

96. Calling them stupid is not name-calling.

[Oopsie Daisy]

97. Zzzzzz

If they switched to Trump or voted third party or stayed home then they are, indeed, stupid. Facts are facts. Fuck their feelings. The effort spent trying to win over one of these voters could be better spent by getting a dozen new voters. They are a hopeless waste of time.

[Zorro]

99. I call them stupid fucking Nazis

[Voltaire2]

102. Stupid is being generous. Nt.

[LisaM]

103. So what are they? Smart?

I'm sorry, but I have the exact same patience with people who didn't vote for Kamala Harris in 2024 as I do with voters who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

And their willful ignorance and their smugness is going to affect a lot of people.

I just hope the women who bleed to death on the operating table are the women who actually voted for Trump, not their sisters or neighbors or cousins or daughters.

History will be kind to Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. It won't be kind to Trump and his enablers and I am fine with that.

[haele]

156. They're greedy cowards, bullies, and bigots.

That, or brainwashed, deaf and blind.
They live in a bubble or they live for hate.

That's what they are.

Haele

[Ruby the Liberal]

106. The only way we will ever reach these people

is if we stand back and let them have at it. Maybe, just maybe then they will see the consequences of their actions.

-- When women vote against their own autonomy
-- Immigrants and egg price worriers vote for mass deportations
-- Muslim Americans vote for Muslim Ban 2.0 and Gaza being turned into a parking lot
-- GenX - turning 60 in 2025 - and Boomers voting to slash/privatize Medicare and Social Security

Sorry - but that is just plain stupidity on steroids

[LudwigPastorius]

107. I bet Neville Chamberlain thought, "you know, we just need to win those Nazis over to our way of thinking".

[Prairie Gates]

108. ...

[Dem4life1234]

111. Cause they are dumb as fuck

Sick of us expected to take the high road. Right now I don't give a damn.

I am beyond pissed that a raping pedo conman is about to take the WH when his ass should have been in jail.

They are stupid for not supporting her. I don't care, it's a forum and we can express how we feel. Holding it in is toxic.

[Marigold]

112. I am not sure anyone actually called them stupid

But they were told by RW media that all democrats think they are. I am not sure there is anything anyone could say that would change their minds. The tribalism has turned in to a cult. Trying to reason with someone in a cult is impossible. Until the fever breaks or they suffer enough to look around and realize they were duped, I don't know what strategy would be effective.

[hatrack]

113. Shall we "reach out" to them? More interviews in diners in the NYT? Pat them on the head?

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Distribute binkies? Offer lotteries for dates with Margot Robbie? Wipe their chins? Buy them new SUVs, or big bags of meth? Drop therapists out of airplanes over small Rust Belt towns? Pallets of cash, maybe?

Voting for a sociopathic convicted felon for president is stupid.

Believing his lies is stupid.

Voting to hurt people because it makes you feel good is sadistic and evil and stupid.

And sitting on your ass and not voting so the same sociopathic felon can burn the whole fucking thing down is stupid.

[Voltaire2]

140. 73 million podcasts exploring the Maga voter. Nt.

[Hekate]

154. Pretty much

[wishstar]

114. Other apt adjectives are: shortsighted, simplistic, deluded, misinformed, shallow and selfish

Racist, misogynistic, greedy and hateful and lacking in empathy and understanding of history and government but stupid sums it up- whatever their individual reasons are for supporting such a supremely despicable unqualified candidate.

[LisaL]

115. Stupid is as stupid does.

NT

[Cartoonist]

116. How do you win over someone who thinks the earth is flat?

I can no longer talk to my brother.

[Hekate]

119. We are a stupid, stupid country. It began decades ago with the dumbing down of public education...

Civics was boooooring and hard. Foreign languages were unnecessary — and hard.

Home schooling (textbooks courtesy of the religious right wing/ taught by stay at home Moms with no credentials required) should be supported with our tax money.

If your local school is falling to pieces, take our tax money to a charter school. And by the way charter schools, like private schools, are not required to teach your precious child if they are a problem in any way (and I do mean special needs) — making public schools the place of last resort.

Did I mention Civics is boring?

Something I figured out in high school about 1964 from reading an actual book: stupidity is not inborn and is unrelated to IQ. It is something a person and a society have to work at to achieve. That, by the way, was not the message of the novel I was reading — I simply worked it out for myself based on the behavior of one of the lead characters.

My feelings about my country at this moment: tremendous potential squandered. Stupid, stupid citizens. And we had to work at it to get here.

[ismnotwasm]

121. They are never going to be on our "side"

Not all of them are stupid, but some of them are. Some are malignant human beings. Some just go along to get along. What all of them have in common is that they are bigots

[radical noodle]

135. This!

There are lots of reasons they might have voted for him, and none of them are good.

[Vinca]

124. By the end of the first year of the Trump reign of terror, they'll be calling themselves stupid.

[Hassler]

136. They're stupid, so they will find a way to blame us

As Fux and Friends media will be saturating everything everywhere with that message: it's the liberals fault! the stock market crashes, it's their fault inflation is up, gas and bacon and eggs are still so.

[Voltaire2]

141. Nope. They will be misdirected to blame others.

[Hekate]

155. They will blame Democrats

[0rganism]

126. "Stupid" is the kindest possible interpretation of their actions

Get past that and the alternatives lean more into various flavors of malevolence.

Of course, it's not like they're mutually exclusive, but hypothetically stupidity alone could be sufficient reason to vote for burning it all down.

Remember, stupidity in one or even most areas, is not an assertion of absolute stupidity in all -- one can believe and behave stupidly with respect to many topics yet have refined knowledge, competence, and aptitudes in others. Calling TSF voters "stupid" for their votes is not an insult -- it's far more the benefit of the doubt.

[Blues Heron]

128. If they are not stupid then they are evil. The charitable thing is to assign stupidity as their major malfunction.

[Rhiagel]

130. They called some of their own supporters worse than stupid.

And many of them still voted for the child rapist.

[brush]

133. Stupid? Somewhat. Racist, misogynist and white suppremacist? For sure...

and why do we want to win over racist, misogynistic and white suppremacists? They've shown us who they are and as Maya Angelou advised us long ago, when people do that, believe them.

They've set the country on a path to fascism and we just have to ride it out and hope we haven't descended into a modern version of 1930s Germany.

A nation gets the leader it deserves, and apparently more than half of us chose a narcissistic, racist, misogynist and white supremacist pig.

[radical noodle]

134. What do they call us?

I'm tired of playing nice with them when they want to take away our rights because they enjoy seeing "liberal tears." I'm done crying. I'm done with all of them, even those who were once family or friends.

[Scrivener7]

137. A) They're stupid. B) Us calling them stupid or us

kissing their asses will not change anything. This is DU. They don't read DU

[alarimer]

143. Not stupid. Racist and misogynist.

He hates the same people they do.

I also think, though, that without Trump, Harris would have won. Trump has some kind of weird "charisma"- like a showman or carnival barker or whatever that no other Republican (or Democrat, even) has.

[BigMin28]

144. I'm sick of caring

What these losers like or don't like, or how they feel. They are stupid, and you really can't fix it. America is full of idiots that continue to vote for people that mean them harm. This time, the harm and misery they voted for will affect all of us in unimaginable ways. If they can't see what tsf is after his four years in office, January 6th, and all the things he has said and done since then, they are not reachable.

[B.See]

147. With everything they call us, I'm

perfectly fine with calling them "stupid." In fact, "stupid" is just the warm-up.

[JanMichael]

148. I think that the main flips were based on immigration and transgender ads

Seriously. The only Drumph ads in NC that I saw since mid October were anti trans and non-white immigrants. Over and over and over.

This election was won off of appealing to base internal racism and other hate in many people including some Dems.

[RandySF]

151. I'm treating them like adults

They chose fascism with eyes wide open.

[Sibelius Fan]

152. Many tRump supporters are indeed stupid, willfully so.

But there are also a significant number of highly intelligent, diabolically evil people who support tRump for their own anti-democratic aims, and who depend on the armies of morons to provide the votes they need to achieve their goals.

[Efilroft Sul]

153. They knew what the stakes were. They practiced malicious inaction. They don't get a pass from me.

However, it's Trump's supporters who are malignantly stupid and cruel.

[Captain Zero]

157. A large portion of them ARE.

So what's wrong with FACTS?

[Native]

163. Let me fix that for you. Why don't we go with unenlightened or racist or sexist or all of the above.

[maxsolomon]

168. The alternative to "stupid" is worse.

So, it's a comparatively charitable description.

My father is a Trump voter. So are my Aunts, my Uncles, my cousins, their kids. Are they dumb? Not exactly. They are certainly misinformed and prefer to believe lies. For instance, my Dad thinks Harris is a Communist.

If they know what Motherfucker is, what he plans to do, and they support that, then that's worse than stupid.