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andym

(5,671 posts)
1. Perceived self-interest beats decency every time-- think Nixon vs McGovern
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:43 PM
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The biggest example is Nixon who was clearly a jerk against McGovern, a decent man and WWII veteran. Nixon won in a huge landslide. When there is a choice between perceived self-interest and niceness it's "Nice guys and gals finish last" as Leo Durocher might say today if he were alive.

Martin68

(24,529 posts)
3. I agree competency is important, but somehow decency seems more important to me if I have to make a choice.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:46 PM
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Kissinger was competent.

Martin68

(24,529 posts)
8. Fox News et al will explain why it is the Democrats fault every time Trump fails. They won't blame Trump.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:15 PM
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The Unmitigated Gall

(4,503 posts)
5. Saw this in a meme...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:51 PM
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"Ultimately, ""They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs"" was a stronger message than ""I want to help you buy your first house"".

So be it.

snot

(10,681 posts)
9. I think that's true.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:37 PM
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I also agree with Bill Clinton that this time as always, "it's the economy stupid."

Trust_Reality

(1,860 posts)
10. When everyone is saying "economy," we have a social psychology phenomenon.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:00 PM
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The economy is booming. But life (earning a living, etc.) is tough for a whole lot of people -- because a few hundred people have all of the wealth... and want even more.

When voters say it's the economy, it's not the economy, It is ego, fear, or racism, something they are ashamed to admit.

Martin68

(24,529 posts)
11. Not necessarily. For one thing, Fox News et al broadcast an incessant drumbeat that the economy was terrible and it
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:40 PM
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was the Democrats' fault. For another, while inflation was brought under control more quickly in the US than any other country in the world, prices did rise about 25%. Biden, the Fed, and the Democrats did an amazing job dealing with inflation that had been caused by at the injection of money into the economy to offset the effects of Covid and a major disruption in the distribution system (not to mention price-gouging by greedy companies). But many people felt real effects that they unfairly blamed on the Biden administration. There were, of course, other factors such as race, gender, religion, social policy, and immigration that also played a role, fairly or not.

snot

(10,681 posts)
13. I disagree.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:29 PM
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The government's favorite inflation numbers exclude food and energy; and their calculation of GNP includes paper wealth created through Wall St. financialization, which contributes little or nothing to the real economy.

So the numbers sound good, but meanwhle costs for food, housing, and health care – material necessities – have skyrocketed, and wages have not kept up with those costs.

The economy may be great for the 10% who have stock portfolios, but hasn't been so great for most other people.

harumph

(2,287 posts)
14. This is true - but opinions differ on the cause of the higher prices.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:43 PM
Saturday

Obviously some of it is price gouging. One of those little actions in the US that are technically illegal, but which are
barely actionable.

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