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Dennis Donovan

(27,452 posts)
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:51 PM Nov 8

Public Notice: The wreckage Merrick Garland leaves behind

Public Notice - The wreckage Merrick Garland leaves behind

His failures left American democracy ripe for the picking.

Lisa Needham
Nov 08, 2024



It has often been said that Donald Trump was running for president to keep himself out of prison. Mission accomplished.

But the fact that Trump wasn’t behind bars long ago, that he didn’t suffer any consequences for his criming and now likely never will, can be laid squarely at the feet of one man: Attorney General Merrick Garland. Garland dragged his feet on prosecuting Trump for election interference and pilfering classified documents, making it easy for him to run out the clock.

Coming in on the heels of a literal insurrection, Garland was a bad fit for his job from the jump. He made clear early on that he didn’t see addressing issues from the Trump era as a priority, declaring that he would not look backward. Garland is an institutionalist, leading him to see his real job as protecting the Department of Justice rather than imposing any consequences on Bill Barr and others who turned the DOJ into a corrupt playground.

Someone who saw the abstract notion of an institution as more important than actual people and actual wrongdoing was never going to be the person who aggressively pursued an ex-president whose crimes were always in full view, which was what the country desperately needed back in 2021.

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Public Notice: The wreckage Merrick Garland leaves behind (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Nov 8 OP
This can't be recommended enough. Autumn Nov 8 #1
Garland wasn't the sole cause. That goes back 40 years. Bluetus Nov 8 #18
I read that Biden said choosing Garland was the biggest mistake of his Presidency. AloeVera Nov 8 #79
The way the corporate media works, yes, firing Garland would have been a problem Bluetus Nov 8 #86
45 months and counting republianmushroom Nov 9 #95
Bush/Florida 2000 is how we got here. GoreWon2000 Nov 9 #111
I think garland was a bad atty general and probably would not have been a good judge. Trueblue1968 Nov 8 #41
Biggest coward ever nm Charmin One Nov 8 #2
Not a coward, complicit. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #31
Thank you Faux pas Nov 9 #89
Blaming Garland for trump's victory is misplaced. We couldn't beat trump in the Court that mattered. And Silent Type Nov 8 #3
No. If Garland had began prosecuting trump HIMSELF instead of waiting for... brush Nov 8 #9
The ultimate court was the polls. trump would have run from behind plexiglass, and probably would have Silent Type Nov 8 #10
A convicted criminal trump would've never won the rethug nod. Garland did a piss poor job as AG. brush Nov 8 #12
Tied with Barr RANDYWILDMAN Nov 8 #47
Hey, he helped me understand that "We are all equal under the law" is a joke. Fish700 Nov 8 #81
Sometimes The "Scapegoat" Is The One Responsible SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #30
Pls proceed in thinking a convicted and jail criminal would've won the republican nomination. brush Nov 8 #34
Please continue looking for a scapegoat or savior. The man was convicted, an adjudicated rapist, fraudster, etc. Silent Type Nov 8 #50
He wouldn't have won the rethug nod if he was in prison. Garland was horrible. brush Nov 8 #57
That's not the way to beat someone like trump, but everyone has a right to their opinion. Silent Type Nov 8 #58
trump twice impeached and in prison would not have been a factor in this election. brush Nov 8 #61
He was a sure loser without being imprisoned. Heck, might as well blame Judge Merchan. Silent Type Nov 8 #64
I'll stick with Garland. His first order of business on taking office should've of been... brush Nov 8 #66
He didn't do his damn job. The one he was paid well to do. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #48
His job is hugging dictators and mugging for the TV cameras FakeNoose Nov 8 #63
Michelle Obama disagrees, she already said if her husband had stole document he would be in jail. Please stop ... uponit7771 Nov 8 #73
Trumps crimes weren't hidden He did them openly and when Garland took over Autumn Nov 8 #14
Yes, trump was obviously guilty. IMO he never would've won the rethug nomination... brush Nov 8 #15
Believe, Adam Schiff, had it correct, with out the J6 committee there would not of been republianmushroom Nov 9 #96
By doing nothing Faux pas Nov 9 #90
Wrong. lees1975 Nov 9 #100
Yes, that is correct. In prison before the mid-terms. brush Nov 9 #109
Ripe for the picking is the phrase that came yorkster Nov 8 #4
As much as I love Biden MustLoveBeagles Nov 8 #5
You forgot the "r" orangecrush Nov 8 #16
The final 3 paragraphs of the story Dennis Donovan Nov 8 #6
fucking pablum bigtree Nov 8 #78
I found this gem in the comments below the article. Intractable Nov 8 #7
I wanted to think well of him the first year. Year 2 it became clear we were going to lose any opportunity to hlthe2b Nov 8 #8
Why didn't Biden fire Garland's ass and replace him Wicked Blue Nov 8 #11
Because DOJ was investigating Hunter? SomedayKindaLove Nov 8 #68
The "high road" is a dying ideal of Democrats especially in the face of fascism DSandra Nov 8 #83
You are correct. republianmushroom Nov 9 #97
The investigations and prosecutions of the instigators and funders of J6 should have started on January 21, 2021. Vinca Nov 8 #13
GOAL‼️ live love laugh Nov 8 #17
Even President Biden said he was disappointed in his choice of AG! PortTack Nov 8 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 8 #20
Perhaps, but . . . markpkessinger Nov 8 #25
He should be disbarred. onecaliberal Nov 8 #21
It's what I expected from a moniss Nov 8 #22
He should at least have the decency to step down moniss Nov 8 #23
Fully-earned criticism. Paladin Nov 8 #24
Right after the insurrection. That was the prime moment LiberalLovinLug Nov 8 #26
Trump's interference with U.S. foreign policy as per Israel should have been prosecuted, along with... Botany Nov 8 #27
No need not worry, DU. Trump will jail and/or execute Garland. Will that finally make y'all happy? emulatorloo Nov 8 #28
Yes. Trueblue1968 Nov 8 #42
No, Linda ladeewolf Nov 8 #49
Nope. Too late for happy but I may laugh anyway. TheKentuckian Nov 8 #62
tRump broke the law -- why weren't there consequences? Blue Owl Nov 8 #29
seems to be a pattern...a long running pattern stillcool Nov 8 #32
I am so deeply upset I can't comment on what I think of Garland right now. Passages Nov 8 #33
Yep. If Garland were all that worth fighting for Akakoji Nov 8 #35
I wonder if tramp will keep him 3825-87867 Nov 8 #36
Merrick Garland is hated by both sides. He is liked only by a vanishing number of moderate Democrats. Intractable Nov 8 #52
Surely he was the biggest mistake of the Biden administration. Jit423 Nov 8 #37
He did a terrible disservice to the American people karin_sj Nov 8 #38
Bill Barr Kid Berwyn Nov 8 #39
Miserable Failure FoxNewsSucks Nov 8 #40
My forehead still hurts Just Jerome Nov 8 #43
Weak on Crime Garland. He was a miserable failure Emile Nov 8 #44
Fucking pansy DinahMoeHum Nov 8 #45
At least he didn't leak what he wasn't doing. gab13by13 Nov 8 #46
We shall see. Obama and Biden both recommended him for posts. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #51
He monitored 11 Federalist Society events gab13by13 Nov 8 #55
We shall see. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #56
There is nothing to see now. TheKentuckian Nov 8 #65
I on your side, but I'm reserving judgement. Why so rude? It doesn't encourage discussion. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #69
Biden's White House Counsel gab13by13 Nov 8 #71
I'm sorry to be rude. My question was honest in intent though TheKentuckian Nov 8 #72
WTF? We shall see what??? It's fucking OVER! Scrivener7 Nov 9 #93
Believe we have. IMO republianmushroom Nov 9 #98
So it was no big secret who he really was? AloeVera Nov 8 #80
Obama chose him as someone some the Republicans had previously praised... JHB Nov 8 #76
Correction: Obama DID pick him markpkessinger Nov 12 #113
What did I say that was inaccurate? JHB Nov 12 #114
My apologies . . . markpkessinger Nov 12 #115
No problem. Happens to the best of us JHB Nov 12 #116
Garland was complicit Quanto Magnus Nov 8 #53
Darn Straight aurora the great Nov 8 #54
If his thinking was protecting the "integrity" of the DOJ Ruby the Liberal Nov 8 #59
His pyramid strategy gab13by13 Nov 8 #60
Similar to becoming the Pope and protecting the Church Yavin4 Nov 8 #67
And all along, Garland's cheerleaders so quick to attack any who doubted him Orrex Nov 8 #70
This is what pisses me off to no end, we got from both barrels from Garpologist damn near every thread uponit7771 Nov 8 #74
No kidding, and he's not even a Democrat. Emile Nov 8 #77
I wonder if his apologists still think we're being impatient Emile Nov 8 #87
Yup, they do republianmushroom Nov 9 #99
Can you point to some of them. This crime was Emile Nov 9 #108
The above is a posting I received from bigtree to one of my posting. republianmushroom Nov 9 #112
They're STILL at it!!! Scrivener7 Nov 9 #94
this is full of shit bigtree Nov 8 #75
Lots of words asm128 Nov 8 #82
receipts (100% more than Garland's critics have provided) bigtree Nov 8 #84
It's very accurate. They got the peons but Garland ran out the clock for Trump. Autumn Nov 8 #85
Garland didn't want to prosecute an ex-president no matter what he did.. republianmushroom Nov 9 #101
He had no intention of prosecuting trump. Even knowing his crimes Autumn Nov 9 #103
k&r n/t area51 Nov 9 #88
Garland did what he was set to do, preserve the dying R party. Joe should NEVER have placed that Clouds Passing Nov 9 #91
So much for "no-one is above the law." pandr32 Nov 9 #92
The question now is, how many more are above the law and will be protect by the AG & DOJ. republianmushroom Nov 9 #102
Shit Stinky The Clown Nov 9 #104
Worthless Blue for the win Nov 9 #105
Garland NEOBuckeye Nov 9 #106
Garland was concerned the Justice Dept would be seen as partisan Martin Eden Nov 9 #107
Garland was a failure as AG. Tommymac Nov 9 #110

Bluetus

(296 posts)
18. Garland wasn't the sole cause. That goes back 40 years.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:11 PM
Nov 8

But if we want to identify the person whose failure to do his job led to this result, it would unquestionably be Garland.

Sadly, he will go to his grave confident that he did the right thing, simply upholding institutional traditions.

But let's not forget that Biden could have replaced Garland at any time.

AloeVera

(2,010 posts)
79. I read that Biden said choosing Garland was the biggest mistake of his Presidency.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:32 PM
Nov 8

The writing was on the wall 2-3 years ago about who Garland was. Would it have been so disastrous for the Admin to replace him? Surely not as disastrous as this. Mistakes should be corrected, we see the result when they are not.

Bluetus

(296 posts)
86. The way the corporate media works, yes, firing Garland would have been a problem
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:28 PM
Nov 8

We know how they would play that: "Biden is firing a good, competent, diligent, professional, non-partisan, all-around-good-guy Merrick Garland because he wouldn't prosecute Trump."

My beef with Garland as appointee (both by Obama and by Biden) is that his main claim to fame was that Republicans wouldn't have any objections to him. Maybe he would have been OK on the SCOTUS, but Obama might as well have nominated Ralph Nader, for all the good that did.

This looked like a sympathy hire when Biden did it. But surely Biden had to understand there were major prosecutions that had to be pursued vigorously. Maybe Biden really believed that Garland would do the job, and his coziness with the Republicans would give Biden some political cover. But after what McConnell did, I don't see how Biden could believe that.

republianmushroom

(18,179 posts)
95. 45 months and counting
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:55 PM
Nov 9

Not the "sole cause", but he had a hell of a lot to do with it.
Those that criticized, Barr should take a close look at Garland, one in the same to me.
"Biden could have replaced Garland at any time," totally agree and should have, but didn't want to appear to be playing politics. IMO

GoreWon2000

(1,080 posts)
111. Bush/Florida 2000 is how we got here.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:58 PM
Nov 9

The anti-democracy way that the dem elites ousted Biden and threw out 14 million 2024 dem party primary votes with their Rehnquist 5 impersonation was a very bad look for the party supposedly claiming to defend democracy in 2024. Sadly, they were AWOL in defending democracy in 2000. Let's also not forget that Biden was one of the dem U.S. senators who refused to co-sponsor the Congressional Black Caucus's challenge to the fraudulent Florida vote count in 2000. That catastrophic failure of Senate dems to act combined with the disastrous Bush White House occupation is what made Trump possible. The dem elites need to look themselves in the mirror on the issue of defending democracy. After voters watched in horror as they were disenfranchised in 2000 by the Rehnquist 5, many of them gave up on democracy. In 2024 many voters saw through the hypocrisy of the anti-democracy Biden ouster and didn't vote. I can't help but notice that the 2 dem U.S. Senators who lost their re-election bids both called for Biden to drop out. I know this is a tough post but some very hard realities about clear failures on the dem side need to be faced and addressed because our country is now headed for an absolute anti-democracy disaster because of them. It's the dem party base who'll pay the price for it.

Irish_Dem

(59,727 posts)
31. Not a coward, complicit.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:41 PM
Nov 8

We see now his plan was to stall until Trump could steal his way back into office.

Silent Type

(7,334 posts)
3. Blaming Garland for trump's victory is misplaced. We couldn't beat trump in the Court that mattered. And
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:58 PM
Nov 8

Everyone knew he is/was guilty, trumpsters just didn't care.


trump voters were like this woman:

?itok=6ojrWtWj


But we needed this:



brush

(58,038 posts)
9. No. If Garland had began prosecuting trump HIMSELF instead of waiting for...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:30 PM
Nov 8

the House Select Committee to finish up and shame him into going after the insurrectionists. And even then he just went after the small fry who actually invaded the Capitol instead of the principal leaders of the insurrection...trump who we saw on TV watching and hoping the revolt would succeed, and of course the rest of his cabal who urged on the crowd at that rally to advance on the Capitol or they wouldn't have a country anymore.

If Garland had moved immediately on trump after taking office trump could've been tried, convicted and jailed of the J6 and stolen docs crimes way before the election came close.

AGs can initiate prosecutions themselves without waiting two years to appoint a special prosecutor, and in this case, where an attempt to overthrow the government was made, the most serious since the Civil War, IMO it was extremely urgent for the slow-moving and Federalist Society member Garland to get right on it.

And btw, is he a rethug mole.

Silent Type

(7,334 posts)
10. The ultimate court was the polls. trump would have run from behind plexiglass, and probably would have
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:45 PM
Nov 8

recieved more sympathy votes.

But I guess folks have to find a scapegoat.

brush

(58,038 posts)
12. A convicted criminal trump would've never won the rethug nod. Garland did a piss poor job as AG.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:55 PM
Nov 8

The worse in my lifetime.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,931 posts)
47. Tied with Barr
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:24 PM
Nov 8

Damn Jeff Sessions doesn't look that bad after all. At least he recused himself from something... a case about a crime he knew, but didn't commit

Fish700

(148 posts)
81. Hey, he helped me understand that "We are all equal under the law" is a joke.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:17 PM
Nov 8

So I have that to thank him for.

 

SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
30. Sometimes The "Scapegoat" Is The One Responsible
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:41 PM
Nov 8

It is Eminently clear to most of those following along, that's the case here.

brush

(58,038 posts)
34. Pls proceed in thinking a convicted and jail criminal would've won the republican nomination.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:51 PM
Nov 8

As in Nikki Haley is the only other rethug with presidential aspirations.

Silent Type

(7,334 posts)
50. Please continue looking for a scapegoat or savior. The man was convicted, an adjudicated rapist, fraudster, etc.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:32 PM
Nov 8

He still won, and probably would have won in 2020 without Covid. It ain’t Garland’s fault, Fani Willis’ fault, or anyone else.

brush

(58,038 posts)
61. trump twice impeached and in prison would not have been a factor in this election.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:48 PM
Nov 8

Rethugs would not have nominated a prisoner a sure loser.

brush

(58,038 posts)
66. I'll stick with Garland. His first order of business on taking office should've of been...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:56 PM
Nov 8

prosecuting trump for inciting the insurrection we all saw on TV, for dereliction of duty for watching it on TV and hoping it would succeed, and also for classified document thefts.

Garland was an a horrendous failure.

Irish_Dem

(59,727 posts)
48. He didn't do his damn job. The one he was paid well to do.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:31 PM
Nov 8

He let down the country, he let down the world.

The issue is not Trumpers, or polls, or elections or what ever other excuses you cite.

Garland failed to do his job, failed as an American.
And that failure will result in great tragedy in the US that will last for generations.

Defend him if you will, but history will be far from kind and rightly so.

FakeNoose

(36,010 posts)
63. His job is hugging dictators and mugging for the TV cameras
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:51 PM
Nov 8

That's all he ever wanted to do, besides depositing the grift money into his own account.

What I'm trying to say is ... it was never clear to Chump that the President DOES anything, or has any responsibilities. Even though he was in the White House for 4 years, he didn't understand what was expected of him. That's why he winged it constantly.

Now he's going to do it again for the next 4 years. But behind him there will be an evil, selfish, politically-sharp group pulling all the strings to get their evil shit done.

uponit7771

(91,998 posts)
73. Michelle Obama disagrees, she already said if her husband had stole document he would be in jail. Please stop ...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:27 PM
Nov 8

Autumn

(46,667 posts)
14. Trumps crimes weren't hidden He did them openly and when Garland took over
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:59 PM
Nov 8

Barr's coverup of trumps crimes were right there there for Garland to see and probably a lot more. . Mueller's report was there for Garland to see. Neither he nor Biden would release that report to the public. That might have made a difference.

brush

(58,038 posts)
15. Yes, trump was obviously guilty. IMO he never would've won the rethug nomination...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:08 PM
Nov 8

if he had been tried, convicted and jailed as we all saw his guilt and dereliction of duty on TV.

republianmushroom

(18,179 posts)
96. Believe, Adam Schiff, had it correct, with out the J6 committee there would not of been
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 01:02 PM
Nov 9

any DOJ investigation. IMO

Faux pas

(15,426 posts)
90. By doing nothing
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:39 AM
Nov 9

he pretty much gave the criminal(s) the thumbs up and the rest of us the BIG EFFING FINGER. He betrayed us and I won't forget or forgive

lees1975

(6,101 posts)
100. Wrong.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 01:37 PM
Nov 9

If Garland had moved forward, and picked up where Congress left him with evidence and an investigation and then moved his tail like some attorney generals have done in the past, there wouldn't have been these interminable delays in the trials. Trump would have been in court long before his lawyers could have fiddled around with a case on Presidential immunity, and had him tried and convicted in both cases, and in prison before the mid-term elections.



yorkster

(2,516 posts)
4. Ripe for the picking is the phrase that came
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:59 PM
Nov 8

to me as I started to process this. Left open and vulnerable on many fronts.

A sobering and thoughtful post. Thanks.

Dennis Donovan

(27,452 posts)
6. The final 3 paragraphs of the story
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:04 PM
Nov 8
Garland’s legacy could have been showing that the DOJ was committed to repairing all the things Trump broke. Instead, his legacy is that of ineffectiveness, of dithering, and of not understanding that when Trump blew through all the guardrails of democracy, the DOJ needed to be a part of repairing and strengthening them.

None of that happened, and now that Trump won, the federal criminal cases are dead in the water, with Smith likely winding them down before Trump takes office. There’s no point in continuing to pursue the charges, given the rule that sitting presidents cannot be indicted or prosecuted. And even if the cases proceeded, Trump has already floated the idea of pardoning himself.

Garland’s protection of the DOJ did nothing but preserve that institution long enough for Trump to return to power and weaponize it against political opponents. It was a profound failure that our democracy will be lucky to recover from.

bigtree

(90,287 posts)
78. fucking pablum
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:41 PM
Nov 8

...and it comes with zero proof, just these cutesy paragraphs.

Posting one more doesn't make it any more credible.

Intractable

(596 posts)
7. I found this gem in the comments below the article.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:18 PM
Nov 8
The “Institutionalists” at the DOJ and on federal courts too often prevail in ensuring that so much of what we see is just a show—literally, at best, the mere appearance of propriety without the substance of justice.

hlthe2b

(106,778 posts)
8. I wanted to think well of him the first year. Year 2 it became clear we were going to lose any opportunity to
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:21 PM
Nov 8

pursue justice for any but the lowest level Jan 6 insurrectionists. And the fatally delayed attempt to investigate/prosecute Trump for this and all his other crimes was lost by the time Smith was finally brought on. I don't blame Smith--he has worked at phenomenal speed, considering, but I do blame Garland (and while I defend Biden on nearly all things, I think he likewise discouraged Garland from being too aggressive on this score for fear of looking like a "partisan investigation"--which was the accusation regardless).

SomedayKindaLove

(1,108 posts)
68. Because DOJ was investigating Hunter?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:59 PM
Nov 8

Don’t forget Biden was wrongly accused by the right of firing that Ukrainian Prosecutor (when Biden was VP), supposedly because he was investigating Hunter (he wasn’t).

Dems still live by rules of governance that Rs don’t bother with anymore in the Trump era. How could Biden fire the AG who was investigating his son? It’s another instance of Dems “taking the high road”. The road, it unfortunately seems, less and less American’s are traveling these days.



DSandra

(1,287 posts)
83. The "high road" is a dying ideal of Democrats especially in the face of fascism
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:37 PM
Nov 8

In the real, unsheltered world: might makes right, eat or be eaten, the law of the jungle. The real world has the pity of an iron fist. It's win or die.

Vinca

(51,240 posts)
13. The investigations and prosecutions of the instigators and funders of J6 should have started on January 21, 2021.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:58 PM
Nov 8

This could have been over and done with and the menace might have been out of our lives forever.

Response to PortTack (Reply #19)

moniss

(6,151 posts)
23. He should at least have the decency to step down
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:27 PM
Nov 8

immediately. But apparently he wants to stay and do damage right up to the last possible moment.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,383 posts)
26. Right after the insurrection. That was the prime moment
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:36 PM
Nov 8

And right after we watched both Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham denounce Trump on the Senate floor.

There should have been a press conference the very next day with Garland. Where he should have announced that he would be starting an investigation IMMEDIATELY. While it was all still fresh in the publics mind. And before any prominent GOP could slither back into Trumpland completely.

An incredible failure. In avoiding prosecuting one of, if not the gravest crime in American history, until shamed into it by Liz Cheney, after it was too late to conclude it before the next election was catastrophic.

Botany

(72,662 posts)
27. Trump's interference with U.S. foreign policy as per Israel should have been prosecuted, along with...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:37 PM
Nov 8

…. J-6th, and giving up the names and locations of our intelligence agents and their local
contacts.

We are truly fucked. Thanx Merrick. Btw Trump can now fill the Supreme Court with more
picks from the Heritage Foundation. America is now like Germany after Hindenburg turned power
over to Hitler.

The coup started on J-6th is now come to fruition.

emulatorloo

(45,592 posts)
28. No need not worry, DU. Trump will jail and/or execute Garland. Will that finally make y'all happy?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:38 PM
Nov 8

Linda ladeewolf

(492 posts)
49. No,
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:32 PM
Nov 8

I would have been happy and had more respect for Garland if he had jailed trump and prosecuted him to the fullest extent of the law.

Blue Owl

(54,921 posts)
29. tRump broke the law -- why weren't there consequences?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:38 PM
Nov 8

If you or I did what he did, we’d currently be behind bars. tRump is a citizen of the USA — why is he not held to the same standards? (rhetorically asking)

stillcool

(32,806 posts)
32. seems to be a pattern...a long running pattern
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:43 PM
Nov 8

investigations. Does it matter who does them? The conclusion always seems to be the same. Nothing. Unless like after the 2000 election the solution is the Help America Vote Act. How apropos.

Akakoji

(244 posts)
35. Yep. If Garland were all that worth fighting for
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:53 PM
Nov 8

Obama would have gotten him on SCOTUS. Where he probably would have been used like a doormat as well. Trump should have been arrested in January four years ago.

3825-87867

(1,153 posts)
36. I wonder if tramp will keep him
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:53 PM
Nov 8

for a while to start prosecutions against tramp's Democratic Enemies as vindictiveness?
If so, I imagine investigations will be much swifter, maybe as swift as when Garland went after Hunter! And if not, tramp will have NO qualms about replacing him immediately as to political partisanship.

But don't give up hope, tramp isn't president - YET. A 78 year old McDonald's heart ain't super healthy. And where's the law that allows for a vice president elect to be automatically installed instead? The 20th Amendment is a bit cloudy although I'm sure Roberts et al can come up with some 16th century excuse, though, such as the idea below.


From an article from Slate - Nov 2008

What if the candidate dies after the election but before the inauguration on Jan. 20? The 20th Amendment states that if the president-elect dies before beginning his term, then the vice president-elect assumes his or her spot. However, the point at which a candidate officially becomes “president-elect” is debatable. He or she definitely assumes the title after Jan. 6, when a joint session of Congress officially counts the Electoral College votes and declares a winner. But the shift could be said to occur immediately after the Electoral College vote. (See Pages 2 and 3 of this PDF article from the Arkansas Law Review.)

If a candidate dies after Dec. 15 but before Jan. 6, Congress, when it convenes, has to decide whether to count the votes cast for him. (In 1872, three electoral votes cast for the late Horace Greeley were discounted by Congress, but it’s unclear whether votes cast for a living candidate who subsequently dies would be treated the same way.)

If Congress decides the votes are valid, then the laws of presidential succession kick in, and that candidate’s running mate moves up the ladder. If Congress decides to throw out the votes, then the question becomes whether the living candidate can be said to have a majority of the overall electoral votes—if not, then, according to the 12th Amendment, the House of Representatives must elect the president from among the three candidates with the most votes.


So, if the Democrats take the House it's possible they may not count the electoral votes for thRepublicansns. Could be interesting.
Would be a sweet January surprise.

Intractable

(596 posts)
52. Merrick Garland is hated by both sides. He is liked only by a vanishing number of moderate Democrats.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:36 PM
Nov 8

Where are the people on DU who formerly defended him ad nauseam?

I'm sure Trump will pick the nastiest attack dog for the job. Perhaps Aileen Canon.

If Trump goes after leading Democrats, Merrick Garland will be on that list.

Jit423

(430 posts)
37. Surely he was the biggest mistake of the Biden administration.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:54 PM
Nov 8

Obama has to realize how blessed he was to not have had the chance to put him on the SCOTUS where it looks like he would have been the 7th GOP justice.

karin_sj

(1,117 posts)
38. He did a terrible disservice to the American people
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:55 PM
Nov 8

I wish so much that Biden hadn't selected him or that he had replaced him when he realized what a complicit weasel he was. Garland is one of the main reasons that this corrupt, treasonous, cruel, racist, misogynistic, stupid slime ball is now our next president and we may not have a real election again for a long, long time, if ever. Thanks for helping destroy our country you creep.

Kid Berwyn

(18,351 posts)
39. Bill Barr
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:58 PM
Nov 8

More from https://www.publicnotice.co/p/merrick-garland-failures-explained

In May 2021, the DOJ went to court to block the release of most of a Bill Barr memo that might have revealed how hard Barr worked to avoid charging Trump with obstruction of justice after the Mueller report. There, Garland was continuing work that had begun under Trump. But while it made sense that Barr would want to block the release of information revealing his role in helping Trump, it made no sense for Garland to want the same. The country had both a right and a need to learn everything possible about what happened during the first Trump presidency and led to a spasm of treasonous violence. That’s far more important than getting a generally favorable ruling on the DOJ’s right to sit on memos.

gab13by13

(25,408 posts)
55. He monitored 11 Federalist Society events
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:40 PM
Nov 8

20 Magat Senators voted for him.
Magat Senator Mike Lee asked Trump to replace Comey with Garland.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
65. There is nothing to see now.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:55 PM
Nov 8

What sign are you waiting on now, the second coming, first contact with the Vulcans, or the Age of Aquarius?

gab13by13

(25,408 posts)
71. Biden's White House Counsel
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:14 PM
Nov 8

Sent a blistering letter to Garland after he released the Hur report that called Joe old, weak and feeble with memory loss as his reasons for not prosecuting him. Joe Biden was furious with Garland after the Hur report.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
72. I'm sorry to be rude. My question was honest in intent though
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:16 PM
Nov 8

I really don't grasp what you are waiting to see.

This book is written and closed. Garland is an utter failure.

Scrivener7

(53,202 posts)
93. WTF? We shall see what??? It's fucking OVER!
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:31 PM
Nov 9

There's no seeing now!

What do you think you're going to see???

JHB

(37,467 posts)
76. Obama chose him as someone some the Republicans had previously praised...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:37 PM
Nov 8

...as a moderate, and as someone the Republicans might accept as a nominee. We all know how that turned out. Mitch McConnell saw the chance for a complete block and took it.

If Hillary had won, odds are that Garland would be on the USSC, with Mitch finally going along in order to deny Hillary the pick.

Joe picked him because Obama did, and the symbolism of that. But it was still the wrong call, putting the wrong man in place for the job that needed to be done.

When Republicans are in power they go all-out for as much as they can. It's only our team that has had this overweening need to appear moderate and nonpartisan at all costs. And it has cost us.

markpkessinger

(8,587 posts)
113. Correction: Obama DID pick him
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:30 PM
Nov 12

McConnell refused to grant him consideration, until Garland finally withdrew his nomination.

markpkessinger

(8,587 posts)
115. My apologies . . .
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:38 PM
Nov 12

. . . I misread your comment, and interpolated a "not" after "Joe picked him because Obama did." My bad!

aurora the great

(110 posts)
54. Darn Straight
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:39 PM
Nov 8

Thank you for giving voice to this. Lets give some credit where credit is due. Thanks for nothing Merrick Garland

gab13by13

(25,408 posts)
60. His pyramid strategy
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:46 PM
Nov 8

Was a ruse to delay going after TSF

Dana Nessel sent Garland a criminal referral to prosecute her fake electors. Garland sent Lisa Monaco out to publicly announce she was investigating the referral. This was another ruse to delay acting, Nessel waited a year and prosecuted them herself.
Garland shit canned criminal referrals from the J6 committee for Ken Chesebro and Mark Meadows.

Yavin4

(36,615 posts)
67. Similar to becoming the Pope and protecting the Church
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:56 PM
Nov 8

Instead of directly the atrocities that occurred.

uponit7771

(91,998 posts)
74. This is what pisses me off to no end, we got from both barrels from Garpologist damn near every thread
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:29 PM
Nov 8

republianmushroom

(18,179 posts)
99. Yup, they do
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 01:35 PM
Nov 9

old enough to have seen numerous high profile cases take even longer to indict

...this was light speed in comparison.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19690611
Reply to republianmushroom (Reply #34)
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:30 PM

republianmushroom

(18,179 posts)
112. The above is a posting I received from bigtree to one of my posting.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 08:37 PM
Nov 9

So you will have to ask bigtree.

bigtree

(90,287 posts)
75. this is full of shit
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:35 PM
Nov 8

...not once does she talk about the courts who delayed every piece of evidence, most notably the evidence that GARLAND used SUCESSFULLY in myriad appeals to testimony and other communications from his top aides and attorneys which, in fact, were fought by Garland well after his appointment of Jack Smith to take what he had gathered since at least as far back as 2021 and present it to the GRAND JURIES which the federal government uses to bring charges forward.

GRAND JURIES bring the charges, not the administrator of the DOJ.

Fuck, Just stopping there proves how dirt-dumb and false this scapegoating of Garland is. He doesn't bring charges forward, his prosecutors do AFTER they run them through grand juries.

I mean, without knowing spit about Garland's 'priorities' she just makes it up to suit her vapid hit piece.

Then she blames Garland for the fucking Mueller report that Barr buried? Jesus this is stupid. But more importantly, this is misinformation dressed up in weak aphorisms like 'brought a knife to a gunfight.'

Until we get the details of the actual investigation, this is just more internet fantasy prosecution. Hell, Jack Smith inherited fucking TWENTY career prosecutors from Garland, and what was described at the time as a 'fast moving investigation' which had gathered more evidence to hand over to Smith than Mueller started with.

There were at least 6 top lawyer aides listed in the indictments who had their attorney client privileges revoked on the evidence GARLAND produced and presented to the appeals court judges to have their attorney client privileges revoked and force them to talk. That took YEARS for the courts to schedule and resolve in Garland's favor, in several separate hearings.

Besides, nothing prevents a charged or convicted felon from running or assuming office.. NOTHING but our votes. So what the fuck does this person believe was going to happen?

Did she not just watch this election? He's already a convicted felon. Where the fuck was he supposed to be restrained from winning by the DOJ?

And doesn't ANYONE see anything ironic (if that's the word) about complaining about the DOJ's prosecution of Trump's attempt to interfere in the election, and at the same time, just shouting at Garland for not essentially politicizing the Justice Dept. against Biden's political rival.

I mean, Garland's critics are openly chastizing him for being mindful about this fantasy invention of theirs that he said or did something that indicated he was making decisions based on some fear of being seen as political.

Ffs, his actions in arresting and convicting 1200 Trump supporting rioters on charges up to the crime of Sedition just makes an absolute lie of that nonsense claim. Not to mention that it was Garland, on his own volition, who hired the man who hastened the evidence GARLAND's prosecutors had gathered into TWO historic, multi-felony indictments against a former president.

It's literally never been done, and likely won't again. None of his critics have done anything approaching the accountability and effort Garland's DOJ put into investigating and prosecuting Trump.

No other prosecutor in Trump's history, either, has obtained and pursued two multi-felony indictments against him as aggressively as Garland's DOJ.

To me, this looks like this writer has zero interest in holding either the perps or the courts responsible for delaying and effectively ending the prosecutions for Trump. Neither do the Garland critics, it appears.

Man who prosecuted over 1200 Trumpers, bad?

Courts which blocked him, meh?

This article is written for rubes, imo, and for whatever she's ultimately looking to get attention for.

asm128

(238 posts)
82. Lots of words
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:26 PM
Nov 8

Zero facts. Just like every other time you post this screed defending this incompetent boob. Are you related or something?

bigtree

(90,287 posts)
84. receipts (100% more than Garland's critics have provided)
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:49 PM
Nov 8
receipts:




https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html


https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html


Smith started with more evidence than what Mueller started with, and integrated into a fast moving investigation including a year long financial probe which had flown under the radar.

Took over a staff twice the size of Muellers, some 20 prosecutors.

Autumn

(46,667 posts)
85. It's very accurate. They got the peons but Garland ran out the clock for Trump.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:06 PM
Nov 8

Between the information the J6 committee and what the doj had that Barr covered up he had enough to go after him and his accomplice. He sat there silent.

Autumn

(46,667 posts)
103. He had no intention of prosecuting trump. Even knowing his crimes
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 01:46 PM
Nov 9

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he ran out the clock. History will not be kind to him or trump.

Clouds Passing

(2,716 posts)
91. Garland did what he was set to do, preserve the dying R party. Joe should NEVER have placed that
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:26 AM
Nov 9

Last edited Fri Nov 15, 2024, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

traydor as AG.

Martin Eden

(13,563 posts)
107. Garland was concerned the Justice Dept would be seen as partisan
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:19 PM
Nov 9

But Rethugs screamed witch hunt and weaponization anyway when independent Counsel Jack Smith was appointed.

Then Cannon used the SC as an excuse to dismiss the documents case.

Merrick Garland cannot escape at least some of the blame for justice delayed becoming justice denied.

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