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LOLOLOLOL! This is gonna be amazing (Original Post) Coexist Nov 8 OP
Lots of chickens are going to be returning to the roost. The Unmitigated Gall Nov 8 #1
The next four years are going to surprise and hurt rank and file MAGA by the millions and I am going to laugh. LonePirate Nov 8 #2
Me too! onecaliberal Nov 8 #7
Even the 1% will eventually hurt if they manufacture a resell about anything. gordianot Nov 8 #10
Actually, no. bikes and bunnies Nov 8 #28
There were definitely winners and losers. gordianot Nov 8 #43
The wealthy Love recessions Hieronymus Phact Nov 8 #45
Fock them. Demobrat Nov 8 #11
This! Dem4life1234 Nov 8 #27
Yep. LA Blue Bengal Nov 8 #44
May happen that money will be taken from blue cities to fund handouts to MAGA base, like in Florida lostnfound Nov 9 #50
Honestly, I was extremely upset on election night. Like everyone else. Initech Nov 9 #53
How can anyone not understand how they work? whopis01 Nov 8 #3
And that they wouldn't put the same tariff on marybourg Nov 8 #4
and they information is out there FFS, it's not like we were keeping it a secret Coexist Nov 8 #9
Another situation where people learn about tariffs: liberalla Nov 8 #20
And Mexico will build the wall AKwannabe Nov 8 #33
To keep Americans out! Envirogal Nov 9 #57
I don't mind MAGATS getting a massive dose of Karma 4catsmom Nov 8 #5
The suffering will be widespread central scrutinizer Nov 8 #6
But, but, but, it's all brandons fault. onecaliberal Nov 8 #8
And even with a 60% or even 100% tariff VMA131Marine Nov 8 #13
Rent will be cheaper Nasruddin Nov 8 #17
Tariffs cause inflation radical noodle Nov 8 #21
He won't do the tariffs. progressoid Nov 9 #48
Perhaps not but he's done it before radical noodle Nov 9 #51
Maybe. But we underestimate the idiocy of the American public. progressoid Nov 9 #52
Go figure. He says what he thinks radical noodle Nov 9 #54
Yep. progressoid Nov 9 #55
RW media.. radical noodle Nov 9 #58
Considering tariffs were the way he said he would fund government programs Mossfern Nov 9 #59
They thought Mexico would pay for the wall so... progressoid Nov 9 #60
this is important Nasruddin Nov 8 #19
The reason it's so much cheaper to make in China, k55f5r Nov 8 #35
Maybe it won't lead to a housing glut because the construction industry has up to 30% pnwmom Nov 8 #22
Kicking out 10 million people or more ... VMA131Marine Nov 8 #32
Schadenfreud, Suckers! CountMyVote4Reality Nov 8 #15
its gonna be my heroin (not that I've ever done that LOL) Coexist Nov 8 #16
Bahaaa keepthemhonestO Nov 8 #25
Dont forget about the MASSIVE johnnyfins Nov 8 #18
And don't forget how many pay into social security that will no longer. nt Trueblue Texan Nov 8 #34
"Temporary hardship" krkaufman Nov 8 #24
FAFO alarimer Nov 8 #12
it astounds me how fucking stupid MAGAts are Skittles Nov 8 #14
we lost to stupid. pansypoo53219 Nov 8 #23
Yep. progressoid Nov 9 #49
You Realize They're Going To Blame It On Biden & The Democrats SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #26
Not going to work this time. Wiz Imp Nov 8 #29
And if that doesn't work, there's always Clenis! hatrack Nov 8 #40
This will happen more and more and more . . . AverageOldGuy Nov 8 #30
Oh, man! That is so beautiful! Trueblue Texan Nov 8 #31
You're welcome :) Coexist Nov 8 #37
Too bad he didn't figure that out last Tuesday. Nt LNM Nov 8 #36
You know why he figured it out now? usedtobedemgurl Nov 9 #62
I was in an analogous situation many years ago. BobTheSubgenius Nov 8 #38
And now, he has suddenly become a RINO. His vote and usefulness are over. keithbvadu2 Nov 8 #39
I hope she's gone when he gets out of jail. Iris Nov 8 #41
There's a reason they are LilElf70 Nov 8 #42
The Leopards Have Started Their Celebratory Feasting... MayReasonRule Nov 8 #46
Yep, they are stupid! Emile Nov 8 #47
Yep DownriverDem Nov 9 #56
I want leopards to eat his face... Ysabel Nov 9 #61

LonePirate

(13,918 posts)
2. The next four years are going to surprise and hurt rank and file MAGA by the millions and I am going to laugh.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:30 PM
Nov 8

Fuck this empathy that people on the left are supposed to have. The idiotic MAGA folk brought this on themselves despite everyone on the left screaming it from the heavens. 2025-2029 are going to be horrendous for everyone except the 1%ers. At least our side of the house knows what's coming and we will be prepared to react as best we can. MAGA can suffer for all I care as their tears and complaints will only make me smile.

gordianot

(15,535 posts)
10. Even the 1% will eventually hurt if they manufacture a resell about anything.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:09 PM
Nov 8

Eventually their investments turn to shit. Inflation runs rampid many collapse. After Smoot Hawley tarrifs the Secret Service escorted from the White House with guns drawn

 
28. Actually, no.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:45 PM
Nov 8

The super rich benefit from recessions and depressions.
They buy up the now super cheap stock at firesale prices, and profit when the stock eventually goes back up.
J.P. Getty and Joe Kennedy did this during the Depression and obtained great wealth.
Source: Thom Hartmann (occasionally and unfairly maligned hereabouts by some for having been on RT for a few years, even though he is clearly on our side- he's how I found out about DU).

gordianot

(15,535 posts)
43. There were definitely winners and losers.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:56 PM
Nov 8

It would be interesting to learn the ratio as they consolidated. You can just about guess who they will be. Get your news from the Murdoch empire, Musk just about any technology and Bezos sell and distributes what they want probably others waiting to cash in and pick up the spoils.

Hieronymus Phact

(518 posts)
45. The wealthy Love recessions
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:08 PM
Nov 8

Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2024, 10:32 PM - Edit history (1)

"All the money comes back home to its rightful owners"

Demobrat

(9,947 posts)
11. Fock them.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:12 PM
Nov 8

The blue states will take care of their own and the red states can lie in the beds they made.

Hundreds of thousands of unwanted children born into poverty. The resulting drug addiction and crime. No healthcare. Unaffordable food, clothing, and shelter.

A massive brain drain as the intelligent and ambitious migrate to the coasts. Actually, I think that’s already happened The smart ones go where the good schools and jobs are. The.dumbshits stay where they are and breed. That’s how we got MAGA.

Dem4life1234

(1,981 posts)
27. This!
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:44 PM
Nov 8

I have no empathy for these dumbasses!

I never had any pity for MAGAts, they are stupid hateful people who deserve whatever bad happens to them. I suppose they are so dumb, they will find a way to blame it on Dems because their tiny brains are wired weird.

I blame non voters, too. Then and MAGAts are peas in the same pod.

lostnfound

(16,714 posts)
50. May happen that money will be taken from blue cities to fund handouts to MAGA base, like in Florida
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:19 PM
Nov 9

DeSantis program gives up to $9000 PER CHILD to families that “homeschool”. So if you have 4-5 kids, that’s $36,000 to $45,000 per year. He says that Florida has more homeschooled kids than any other state in the country — 155,000 of them.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/floridas-home-school-voucher-program-is-expected-to-double-in-size-next-year-36972030

They can use the money for TVs (up to 55”…), kayaks, theme parks…swing sets, stationary bikes, treadmills, surfboards, woodworking supplies, animal husbandry supplies, gardening supplies… etc.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/09/01/florida-school-vouchers-can-pay-tvs-kayaks-theme-parks-is-that-ok/
https://go.stepupforstudents.org/hubfs/GUIDES/FTC%20FES-EO%20Purchasing%20Guide%202023-24.pdf

Initech

(102,511 posts)
53. Honestly, I was extremely upset on election night. Like everyone else.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:45 PM
Nov 9

But I will say it will be fun to see MAGA fighting each other.

whopis01

(3,748 posts)
3. How can anyone not understand how they work?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:31 PM
Nov 8

I can't believe how many people I have heard saying "China will pay the tariffs, not us".

They really thought that if there is a 100% tariff on an item some company in China would sell it for $20 and then pay a $20 tariff.

4catsmom

(291 posts)
5. I don't mind MAGATS getting a massive dose of Karma
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:58 PM
Nov 8

I just don't think it's fair that the rest of us have to suffer for it as well

central scrutinizer

(12,441 posts)
6. The suffering will be widespread
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:04 PM
Nov 8

No more ACA? Thousands will become homeless as medical debt wipes them out. Many more will just die because they can’t afford routine checkups.
Mass deportations? Thousands of families broken up. Food costs through the roof as crops rot in the fields.
Tariffs? We pay those as corporations pass the costs. China pays nothing.

VMA131Marine

(4,678 posts)
13. And even with a 60% or even 100% tariff
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:15 PM
Nov 8

Most goods imported from China will still be cheaper to make there than in the U.S. A lot of the stuff we don’t even manufacture in the U.S. anymore. Not only that but, with unemployment at 4% there aren’t enough free workers to expand production much anyway. And that 4% is before we deport 11 million or 20 million or 30 million people.

Deporting that many people will lead to a housing glut that tanks residential real estate values. There is not one good thing that will come out of Trump’s policies.

Nasruddin

(866 posts)
17. Rent will be cheaper
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:21 PM
Nov 8

And first time home buyers will be happier. If they have a job, in both cases.

radical noodle

(8,819 posts)
21. Tariffs cause inflation
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:30 PM
Nov 8

Inflation causes interest rates to rise. It will probably affect everything.

progressoid

(50,787 posts)
52. Maybe. But we underestimate the idiocy of the American public.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:42 PM
Nov 9

I live in Iowa. His tariffs were devastating to the rural farm communities. To the tune of billions of dollars and loss of family farms. And yet they voted for him over and over and over.

radical noodle

(8,819 posts)
54. Go figure. He says what he thinks
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:52 PM
Nov 9

and he's a good businessman. Those are the two biggest reasons I hear, and when I ask them what they voted for him to do... they usually don't have a clue. And then I get those two reasons I already mentioned. If they say he's a good businessman, I point out his failures and tell them he isn't a good businessman, he's a good con man. Crickets.

progressoid

(50,787 posts)
55. Yep.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:20 PM
Nov 9

My parents live in a bright red area and my Dad has this discussion many times with them. As fiscally conservative repubs they have no answer for his 12 billion dollar payment to farmers to fix his tariff fuck up.

They no longer see facts. All they know is that he's not a Democrat. And they are fed a constant fear and loathing of Democrats on media so they accept him.

Mossfern

(3,249 posts)
59. Considering tariffs were the way he said he would fund government programs
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:35 PM
Nov 9

If he doesn't impose tariffs and has promised to lower taxes - how is he planning to fund anything?
Magats think that this imbecile a business genius?

Nasruddin

(866 posts)
19. this is important
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:24 PM
Nov 8
Most goods imported from China will still be cheaper to make there than in the U.S. A

as well as, as you say, not feasible to make in the US anyway.

People are making handwaving type args about market forces and the like but a lot of the effect is going to be pure cost pressure on the consumers of those goods. For a while, at least. And a massive grifting opportunity for favorable tariff rates for various nations and officials of the US government setting those rates.

k55f5r

(458 posts)
35. The reason it's so much cheaper to make in China,
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:11 PM
Nov 8

Is that we have laws against putting lead in vinyl, arsenic in hard plastic, and other such stupid rules. Trump will fix that.

pnwmom

(109,636 posts)
22. Maybe it won't lead to a housing glut because the construction industry has up to 30%
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:32 PM
Nov 8

undocumented workers.

VMA131Marine

(4,678 posts)
32. Kicking out 10 million people or more ...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:04 PM
Nov 8

who currently live somewhere, will lead to a large number of vacancies in all types of residential properties. That will put downward pressure on rental rates and home values.

johnnyfins

(1,481 posts)
18. Dont forget about the MASSIVE
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:22 PM
Nov 8

cost of these "Deportations". But hey, maybe you can stave off starvation by getting some good work building the new concentration camps.

krkaufman

(13,759 posts)
24. "Temporary hardship"
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:36 PM
Nov 8
Many more will just die because they can’t afford routine checkups.


I figure this is the “temporary” aspect of the hardship promised by Musk.

Skittles

(160,304 posts)
14. it astounds me how fucking stupid MAGAts are
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:16 PM
Nov 8

they simply believe what they are told - too bad the entire country has to pay for it

 

SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
26. You Realize They're Going To Blame It On Biden & The Democrats
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:43 PM
Nov 8

Don't ask me how, but obviously regardless of the explanation, their lemmings will buy it lock, stock and barrel.

Wiz Imp

(2,433 posts)
29. Not going to work this time.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:52 PM
Nov 8

Oh, it will work on some, but when the economy sinks into a depression, they ain't gonna be able to blame that on Biden and get away with it.

hatrack

(61,194 posts)
40. And if that doesn't work, there's always Clenis!
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:31 PM
Nov 8

Evading the laws of space and time, it's Clenis - ejaculating evil on Godly Americans and their dreams since 1992!!!!

AverageOldGuy

(2,169 posts)
30. This will happen more and more and more . . .
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:53 PM
Nov 8

. . . and, while I'll be suffering with them, I'll be ROTFLMAO at them. And poking fun at them every chance I get. FUCKEM!!

usedtobedemgurl

(1,448 posts)
62. You know why he figured it out now?
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:49 PM
Nov 9

He was sick and tired of the missus bitching about it, so he looked it up to show her. Only then did he find out. I had an abusive husband to whom I would say things he ignored..... Until someone else Saud them. Only then was it valid.

All the magas reading this will think it is a joke and not listen or look it up. The only way they will figure it out is finding the info because they think they are going to show someone up and feel smart for it.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,811 posts)
38. I was in an analogous situation many years ago.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:22 PM
Nov 8

I hadn't been at this job for too long, and it hadn't had union certification all that long, either. We were in contract talks...blah blah blah. It seemed to the members (of which there were only 9 in our whole bargaining unit) that I knew what I was talking about, so they voted as I suggested....both to strike, and to end the strike. Seemed like a no-brainer to me. We'd proved our point and would strike if necessary, and the first year of a 3-year contract more than paid for the strike.

Anyway.

After the dust settled, I was talking with one of the management team with whom I got along famously, and it came to light that their bargaining team didn't know some very basic things about labour law in BC. Unbelievable.

It was a great job, in a very weird point in history. With the seniority raises (5% every 6 months until you qualified to take the national tech. certification exam and were then at 100% of top rate) and the contract raises that created the various tiers of wages, I made almost exactly triple my starting wage after 5 years and passing the cert. exam. You don't find deals like that any more.

keithbvadu2

(40,500 posts)
39. And now, he has suddenly become a RINO. His vote and usefulness are over.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:28 PM
Nov 8

Fox convinced my gf that China paid all those tariffs last time for Trump.

Ysabel

(2,080 posts)
61. I want leopards to eat his face...
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:41 PM
Nov 9

yes I will sleep well tonight thinking on that - I like leopards!

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