Can someone explain why Trump repeatedly told his supporters he didn't need their votes?

[milestogo]

Link to tweet

Sorry for the tweet.

[bucolic_frolic]

1. ? Musk put up the money Trump didn't have in 2020????

A hunch .........

[milestogo]

2. How does Musk's wealth translate to not needing to vote?

[bucolic_frolic]

3. That's the question

I don't know. Somebody got paid off? In many places/states? They were shadowing DNC/Harris digital operations and converting minds with propaganda? They were so confident in their own digital operations - the ad that aired 54 million times - and it had a good focus group? There are all number of possibilities. All hot air, but if you'd like to write political fiction thrillers, theories abound.

[Katcat]

46. Maybe

Maybe musk has an in with the election tabulators. He wast giving away millions for nothing

[Fish700]

24. Because he says all kinds of incoherent stupid things all the time?

[markodochartaigh]

26. "Because

he says all kinds of incoherent stupid things all the time?"

B.I.N.G.O.


Trying to make sense of what Trump says is as futile as trying to read chicken entrails, and even messier.

[paleotn]

27. Sometimes he blurts out things he should keep secret. Things that are true but best not said.

I wonder.....were their people in the GRU and the current Israeli regime that cringed when he blurted that out? "Don't say it out loud, you idiot!!!" Just a passing thought. Nothing more.

[intheflow]

4. According to some folks on DU,

any talk about how things don’t add up is crazy conspiracy theory.

And now this from Rachel Maddow, Rhodes Scholar. Apparently, she’s a delusional conspiracy theorist no better than the Q whiners after the 2020 election.

[milestogo]

6. I can't stand listening to him

so pretty much it all goes right by me. But on its face, it makes absolutely no sense for any candidate to tell their people that he doesn't need their votes. He said he already had the votes. And all Rachel does is point this out. He is saying something which doesn't make sense. But he does seem to be implying that he does not need their votes to win.

[2naSalit]

21. He didn't...

Say one time, he said it at several events.

[paleotn]

29. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means....but...

I can't put my finger on it but something just doesn't smell right. 2016, I got. This time, it just doesn't make sense. I went to bed thinking Harris would pull it out the old fashioned way. WI, PA and MI. Urban areas in those states still had a ton of votes to count while their BF Egypt areas were at 95% plus already and nearly done. It would be tight but she'd prevail. Couldn't sleep, got up at 3am and that route was closed and closed bigly. How the fuck did that happen?! Sorry but it just doesn't smell right. All I know is there are nation states with significant capabilities who'd love another Trump term. Until evidence is found, I'll leave it at that.

And the fact that like most morons, Donny tends to talk about things he might shouldn't talk about. I'll leave at that too.

[littlemissmartypants]

36. Fewer Democrats voted for Harris than for Biden.

There's nothing magical about it. It's strictly math.

She needed to do better and than Biden and Trump to win but the unaffiliated who we needed didn't vote for her and all the other Democrats we needed who voted for Biden stayed home.

Then Trump was able to sell his line of sh¡t to the "bro" voters. The white, black and Hispanic bro voters who had never registered before voted for Trump.

[paleotn]

58. And yet I keep hearing of huge lines at polling places that stretched for blocks.

Harris packing stadiums. She had people on fire. Donny wasn't able to fill Wolfe in Asheville. And on and on and on. And yet....Dems just all of a sudden decided not to vote for her or not vote at all? And the Bro's, who rarely vote at all, suddenly caught fire? Strange. Just very strange. NC for instance. You guys ran the table on Gov, Lt Gov, Sec State, Atty Gen, Ed Commissioner and took away the Repuke super majority. Yet Trump won NC with relative ease. Strange.

No solid evidence that anything was hacked. But what I am saying is nation states have more than enough capability to do just that. We have motive, we have means, and we have a dead body. Our Republic. Who did it? Maybe it was rotten, vile, evil Americans. I'm certainly not letting them off the hook but still....something smells odd and it ain't just idiot American voters.

[cilla4progress]

62. Exactly.

Paleotn.

And all those states that voted down abortion bans but voted trump?

[LeftInTX]

80. Do the number of votes match the rosters?

They keep rosters. The two should add up. Sometimes people are drunk or get sick and the ballot isn't cast or they leave with the ballot but other than that, they should match.

[paleotn]

92. Good point if physical ballots exist.

Also, this isn't like Jurassic Park. Tools exist that can sift through tons of lines of voting machine code to find anomalies in the software. Maybe all that's been done, is being done, and nothing has been found. Who knows at this point. Maybe someone talented enough to slip Stuxnet into the controllers of Iranian centrifuges is smart enough to cover it up. No evidence. Just a thought experiment I've had the last few days.

[Dem4life1234]

81. You're making sense

It's absolutely fishy. How in the hell did he win NC, a state headed in the correct direction, when everyone else was Dem in the executive branch and veto power was restored to the governor?


And those "bros" never lift a finger to do something productive but stay their drawers on the couch playing their Switch all day. You telling me they got motivated to all of a sudden vote? Come on now.

[cilla4progress]

59. Why did he repeatedly say

he didn't need their votes?

[Katcat]

47. Ya know

Ya know what I think is weird? Trump isn’t out there bragging 27/7 about his mandate. What’s also weird? Neither are his cohorts and even weirder is the lack of reaction from Dems.

[paleotn]

61. He's actually been remarkably quiet. Strange for a man who seemingly cannot ever shut the fuck up.

[Dem4life1234]

78. Same here

I keep replying it on my mind, that horrible night.

I knew the backwards red states gonna red, but I thought she would at least gain a squeaker. I thought the blue wall would have her back.

No doubt, there's nefarious characters working for that hideous ogre. Not to mention the b0mb threats. I can't stand to look at his ugly face or hear him talk. Everyone I know hates his ass.


And you mean to tell me all these Rogan bros who do nothing but play video games all day got their lazy asses up to vote for him? I call bullshit.
It's just not right. But you bring that up here and some folks want to tell you to be quiet, just because you have the nerve to question this pig party's shenanigans.

[Blue Full Moon]

90. Conspiracy is a real thing

[paleotn]

91. But, until there's evidence, it's simply a thought experiment.

Many Americans are unworthy of being called Americans and may have done this all on their own. Littlemisssmartypants may be correct and I'm totally off base. Time will tell.

[cilla4progress]

56. Why I just started

a second thread.

[Dem4life1234]

77. Yeah

You get your hands slapped just by bringing it up, as if we can't see that these are the most corrupt human beings driving this administration.

[SomedayKindaLove]

5. Because he's an insane narcissist?

[Autumn]

7. Don't forget he and Johnson had a secret plan. nt

[milestogo]

8. I did not know that.

What was it?

[Autumn]

13. The secret plan if he lost.

[Quixote1818]

9. Trump used sarcasm in his rallies. He said unconventional shit and thats what

His supporters liked. They got a kick out of him saying exactly the opposite of what most politicians say. I don't understand why people on our side can't understand this part.

[milestogo]

11. When he wants to back out of something, he says it was a joke.

When he's being sarcastic, its quite obvious. I don't think this was sarcasm- he was giving them an instruction.

[sheshe2]

14. Uummmm hmmm...

Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server, according to a new indictment from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-find-clintons-emails-on-or-around-the-same-day-russians-targeted-her-accounts
🤔

[Cha]

16. Yeah.. lke he's above that shit now?

Please see my post down thread, she., & TY for the post on what they did to Hillary

💙

[calimary]

64. THAT'S the problem. RIGHT THERE.

The nauseatingly common reaction from TOO DAMN MANY people is
- “meh, he’s just talking.”
- “Meh, he doesn’t mean it!”
- “C’mon, you know he’s just talking/kidding/joking/sayin’ stuff”.

Oh yeah. He’s just “saying stuff”. My ass. It sounds to me like he’s boasting about his actual future plans.

[Cha]

75. It's a Cult.. their Sacred Cow can

do No Wrong.

We'll see if the Fucking Fascist will Turn on them, too.. in Ways Unimaginable to them .

[calimary]

86. Inevitably.

He’s left a trail of broken people and dreams in his wake, wherever he goes. “Use ‘em and lose ‘em.”

[paleotn]

35. Yea, kind of feels like we've been here before...

and this time someone upped their game? No evidence that that's the case but the capabilities are there. Nation states can do a whole lot of interesting things....like make everyone's pager explode at roughly the same time. That took deep planning and flawless execution. Nation state capabilities. Wonder what else those nation states might be up to?

[sheshe2]

19. 'Sarcasm' ? ...hmmm

Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server, according to a new indictment from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-find-clintons-emails-on-or-around-the-same-day-russians-targeted-her-accounts
🤔

[Quixote1818]

22. This has nothing to do with what I just said

I agree with that article but it's apples and oranges compared to the OP.

[TwilightZone]

23. The ability to understand context and nuance seems to have left the building.

Too many people take everything Trump says 100% literally, regardless of context or intent.

Of course, it doesn't help when some of DU's favorite blogs and social media influencers take five-second clips of something he said, leave out important context, and post it as misinformation. Gotta feed the outrage machine and fund those monetized platforms.

[paleotn]

33. Morons sometimes blurt out things they shouldn't. Makes them feel big and in charge....

The Fredo effect. When really it's someone else pulling the strings. No evidence that this is the case. None what so ever. But a truism nonetheless.

[cilla4progress]

63. That's possible.

Mind fuck?

[Still Waters]

10. The plan

My thinking is the plan was if Trump lost, he would create chaos and doubt about the integrity of the election like he did in 2020. Johnson would then make sure the election was thrown to the House of Representatives which would then vote to install Trump.

[tulipsandroses]

12. Because he had fixers in place if he lost. From the folks in GA that were not going to certify if he lost

to Mike Johnson pulling some kind of shenanigan after the fact. They had alternate plans in place if he lost.

[Cha]

15. That's what I want to know.. That & a Whole bunch of other SHIT.

Gag.. his GD mouth! They fucking got votes Flipped by Russia.. Prove me Wrong.

TY!

[sheshe2]

34. I don't know what they did, but it stinks to high heaven.

TY, Cha.

[Cha]

39. Yes it Does, she. And, I'm hoping

down the Road that what Actually happened will become Clear.

It's just too Fascist Fishy with musk, putin, & TSF involved with Hoards of Russian Cyber experts at Hacking Shit.

TY, she.. 💙

[milestogo]

48. Elon Musk.

Means, Motive, Opportunity.

[Cha]

53. Precisely.

[cilla4progress]

65. Bingo.

Will this get discovered in time, do you think?

[milestogo]

68. If the right people get involved.

[uponit7771]

17. *** NO PUSH FOR MAIL IN BALLOTS !!! *** MIBs were the bases of Trumps "cheating" allegations and what technically pushed

... JB over the blue wall to a win.

There was no 6 month push for MIBs this time and analyst were thinking there was enough people who wanted to stand in line for 3 hrs on a work day

[BannonsLiver]

18. I didn't watch the video but it might be what's called "negging"

From Wikipedia:


Negging ("to neg", meaning "negative feedback&quot is an act of emotional manipulation whereby a person makes a deliberate backhanded compliment or otherwise flirtatious remark to another person to undermine their confidence and attempt to engender in them a need for the manipulator's approval. The term was coined and prescribed by pickup artists.

[Lulu KC]

20. I think he was pretending--surprise!

To not have enough money. ("There aren't any yard signs because the campaign has run out of money!&quot
To need their votes. ("Look how pathetic he is! He's going down!&quot
I'm even thinking that the empty stadiums and people leaving early were staged to make us feel more confident.

Conspiracy theory or really sophisticated psy ops? It is so hard to tell.

It will take time and people a lot smarter than I ever was or will be to dissect this. I am waiting for the movie at this point.

[dlk]

25. I think we know...

[LiberalArkie]

28. Until a random audit of the voting tabulators and the paper ballot cards is done, the tally is suspect

Not doing that is like someone bringing in a bag of money to a bank and the person says it is 1 million and the bank does not count it.

[KPN]

30. Feels like this has not been given enough attention! Sure hope

we are not missing something significant.

[not a texan]

31. I think Trump was out of the loop

IMHO, If there was a conspiracy to electronically alter the election it was done without the details being known to Trump. He can't keep a secret and his dementia would make him even more untrustworthy. Through contacts he picked up enough to let the cat out of the bag but could not and cannot reveal anything of value to an investigation. He isn't smart enough to be in on the finer points, and dumb enough to spill what little he does know.

[33taw]

32. Maybe MSM could have reported this two weeks ago?

[58Sunliner]

37. Can someone please explain why we aren't asking for recounts???!!!!!!!!

We should not give them power. They are anti-democratic. The military, who are supposed to support the constitution, should pledge to support it, not Trump. What would Trump do without a military?

[2do]

38. He knew ...

Musk guaranteed it.

[Ysabel]

40. Why was there no reporting on mail in votes?

Last time we got all sorts of reports this time I don't recall any ???

[mopinko]

72. lotsa ppl on xitter who looked, and their mib's didnt get counted.

i wonder- they said- declare victory early. b4 all the votes r counted. we KNEW he was gonna do this.
i think they managed to mangle enough mib’s to throw it. whether it will stand up to recounts is another matter, but then they’ll swear the recounts were rigged, and on to plan b.

[usaf-vet]

41. All these point are exactly why we shouldn't just fold our tents and go HOME. I say NO lets figure out WHAT HAPPEN so

It won't happen again.

How many of these posts that tell us to give it up are closeted Trump supporters doing what they were instructed to do?

Just saying!!!! Do we really know just how deep the fix was?

[Botany]

42. Because it was "a tell" by Trump about ..

something being in the works to fix the election.

Just like his, "Russia if you are listening if you can just find Hillary's missing emails?" in 2016.

[Martin68]

43. He never wants to owe anybody anything, so he's telling them up front he doesn't need their votes. Tough guy, false

confidence, dealing with suckers. But he was right, wasn't he? He knows his audience, he is the supreme manipulator.

[Cha]

44. For my Journal.. "TSF telling his Cult they don't need to vote:

Link to tweet

[citizen blues]

45. The Math Ain't Mathin'!

I was checking electoral maps early on. The Kansas polls had just closed and was instantly deep red. Not a surpirse. Right? But when I looked at the numbers, Harris had 52% and Trump 46%. WTF?!?!?

I'm not saying that Trump couldn't have won Kansas as more votes were counted, and as the night went on, that's what it looked was happening. But I've never seen something reported like before. How the hell do you instantly give the state to the candidate who's 6% behind?!?!?!

I know people will think I'm being a conspiracy theorist, but the math just ain't mathin'!

[Katcat]

51. I agree

Nothing else to think

[slightlv]

55. I'm with you...

and I live in KS! This isn't the first time election tallies have been hinky, either. There was a large todo about one election a few years back in the Brownback days... they kept trying to bury it, but the University person had the numbers and wouldn't go away. I guess they got to her, tho... cause I've never heard anything about that case again. And what about the mail in votes here? Were they counted in that tally? How were the early votes counted and when. I tell ya, something just doesn't add up... and I'm mad as hell, and still shell shocked. This is the first time since election night I've dragged myself out of bed and even thought about getting online. And I STILL feel shell shocked. And angry.

[Mr.Bee]

66. Nuthin' to see here, folks,

move along.

[cilla4progress]

49. Was this on tonight?

Shall we too mock Rachel Maddow as an election denier??

[LudwigPastorius]

50. Trying to determine why Trump says anything he says is a fool's game.

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He's mentally unhinged.

Sure, it could mean that he thinks he'd win even if he doesn't get enough votes. But, it could also mean that he believed that everyone in the country was already going to vote for him.

A "he stole the election" argument based on his insane ramblings is weak. Evidence is needed, not Trump verbal diarrhea.

[cilla4progress]

52. Miles, thanks.

Do you know if this is being spread widely?

[Island Blue]

54. I will die on the hill that something was rotten with

this year’s presidential election. Will it ever be investigated? Oh, hell no! We Democrats don’t want to offend anyone by doubling checking suspect results. 🙄

[SoCalDavidS]

57. THIS!!! nt

[Dem4life1234]

82. This all day!

I am so over it, old guard still has faith in the system. What a damn fucking joke!

[intheflow]

93. Yes, we're afraid of being taunted as being sore losers.

We think not contesting it makes us the adults in the room because of the winger crybabies last election cried foul and it was bullshit. But when it really is as fucked up as this election, we’re not being adults, we’re being enablers.

[dgauss]

67. Maybe some audits and recounts would put this to rest?

I know that that is usually reserved for very close counts. But those were the types of things that made it clear that 2020 was legitimate.

I think the tally was real and accurate this year but for those that just can't believe it I wish there would be some kind of double-checking assurance. Then we could move on.

[mopinko]

70. looks like a recount in pa for bob casey. couple house seats might get recounted.

[dgauss]

73. Didn't know that, looking forward to the result.

Usually those end up confirming the original count, or very close to it. But glad that it is happening, however it turns out.

[dgauss]

71. Let me add that I've seen enough to convince me that this current

right wing movement would cheat in any way possible if they thought they could get away with it. If they are willing to lie about absolutely anything they are probably willing to cheat.

I just haven't seen any indication that they could get away with cheating so uniformly in so many different voting districts with so many different procedures and personnel.

[DSandra]

69. If it was actually stolen, only Russia would have the operational expansion and power...

To literally rig elections throughout most of the country. If that was actually possible, then Russia essentially owns America.

[milestogo]

87. Putin and Musk are buddies now.

Elon Musk is as brilliant as he is evil, and he has loads of technical people working for him. I think he is somehow involved in this.

[MagickMuffin]

74. Bombs threats and evacuations at polling sites and Offices of Elections

Who was in the chain of command to ensure that the locations were secured?


Remember on J6 the young women who remembered to secure the electoral college votes. Had they not secured the ballots no telling what would have happened.


But there should have been an investigation into the bomb threats.

[milestogo]

88. The Russians did that.

But it was hardly discussed in the news after the election.

[luvallpeeps]

76. Occam's Razor n/t

[dgauss]

79. Agreed

Well I guess that depends on what you consider the fewest assumptions?

[Bluepinky]

83. Yeah, something feels weird about this election.

How is it that Trump is the first Republican to win the popular vote in presidential election in 20-30 years?

Why did the vote count end so fast? I had assumed it would be days before the vote count was finalized and a winner declared.

And I agree with Rachel, why did Trump keep saying he didn’t need more votes, he had all the votes he needed to win?

Were election employees threatened, were voting machines hacked, were loads of votes not counted or discarded?

[Meowmee]

84. Yes

We are wondering the same. I stopped watching the news a long time ago, except small amounts here and there, but my brother kept watching it for a long time. Then he stopped watching it as much and got himself into shape which was good. However, this did not slip by me somehow, and I thought it was highly peculiar. Even for the psycho.

[Pachamama]

85. US Mail

Anyone really buying that Dems decided not to show?

No - the machines that count weren’t hacked

No - Dems didn’t just not vote

But if ballots mailed never found their way to their Secretary of State - then they were never counted

Check is in the mail

[Blue Full Moon]

89. They knew that they were going to win

[returnee]

94. "Secret plan." (no text)