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Mike Niendorff

(3,570 posts)
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:33 PM Nov 8

Ok, Joe : this is the time.

In the interest of national security, it is time to declassify and publicly release:

* ALL evidence in the classified documents case.
* ALL evidence in the J6 cases
* ALL of the Epstein files (including the contents of "the safe" -- if it remains in FBI possession -- or the exact details of why it is no longer in FBI possession, and who took possession of it under Trump)
* ALL evidence in the Trump-Russia case, including the complete, unredacted Mueller Report.

Again, this is under his core presidential duty to protect the national security of the United States, and to see that the laws are faithfully enforced (both now and in the future).

He has "absolute criminal immunity" to do this -- the SCOTUS has established this now -- so any laws he breaks (grand jury secrecy, etc) 100% do not matter, and no official evidence can be used to even investigate.

So let's go, Joe

The nation desperately needs the truth, and you have the power to do it.

Your responsibility to the nation requires it.


MDN

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Ok, Joe : this is the time. (Original Post) Mike Niendorff Nov 8 OP
I agree. Volaris Nov 8 #1
Excellent point. Mike Niendorff Nov 8 #7
I'm not sure you can pardon someone MadameButterfly Nov 9 #54
I believe the nixon pardon odins folly Nov 9 #56
You are not wrong. Nixons pardon was a blanket pardon. Lochloosa Nov 9 #79
I believe it's only for past crimes, known or unknown JoseBalow Nov 9 #66
I agree with thr first post but i am discouraged and dont think Biden would do it. Trueblue1968 Nov 8 #24
he's not going to do a fucking thing Skittles Nov 8 #2
What about bdamomma Nov 8 #3
He's not even pardoning his own son. StarryNite Nov 8 #9
THIS! So disappointed. Jit423 Nov 8 #14
in the meantime Skittles Nov 8 #36
Joe's too good for this. Have Chuck Schumer call a Senate hearing and request the evidence In It to Win It Nov 8 #4
Congress does not have "absolute criminal immunity" Mike Niendorff Nov 8 #8
Congress people have absolute immunity to what they do on the floor. drray23 Nov 9 #80
Agree republianmushroom Nov 8 #5
it's all gone the day after stillcool Nov 8 #6
Um, Dems still control the executive branch. You accusing Biden of a cover up? paleotn Nov 8 #18
do you think all government employees... stillcool Nov 8 #22
If he can, I hope he does. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #10
And reclassify marijuana Puppyjive Nov 8 #11
Resign the Presidency hand it a second time to Harris making her the 47th. With her immunity she could do it..... usaf-vet Nov 8 #12
Groundswell of support from me for this. WokeAintWhatIAm Nov 8 #35
Yeah, we're all going to need to be able to legally get high Frank D. Lincoln Nov 8 #13
Yes. NOW. Not 3 weeks from now. NOW. /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 8 #15
That would be a thing of beauty! calimary Nov 8 #16
Tom is not a war time consigliere. Bring in the old man! TheKentuckian Nov 8 #17
Well put. paleotn Nov 8 #20
Joe wouldn't declassify top secret classified documents. He just wouldn't threaten national security by doing that. ancianita Nov 8 #19
I feel like I'm I'm walking into the middle of a discussion and I'm missing something.. electric_blue68 Nov 8 #38
"He" here is indeed President Biden. ancianita Nov 8 #39
I can't acess FB right now (phone # issue) so this is a Biden FB pg? Sorry to sound..um...obtuse? electric_blue68 Nov 8 #41
Yes. On your phone you can actually use your text messaging app to send him a text to that number. ancianita Nov 8 #43
😄 Who knew! Got it. Ty 👍 electric_blue68 Nov 9 #44
LOL ancianita Nov 9 #45
Done electric_blue68 Nov 9 #46
While he's at it, could we get the JFK and UFO stuff too? JoseBalow Nov 8 #21
Trump said he will release the JFK stuff Polybius Nov 9 #58
Didn't he say that last time? JoseBalow Nov 9 #60
Yes, and he said he was talked out of it for national security reasons or something Polybius Nov 9 #61
Ya, that's how I remember it too. JoseBalow Nov 9 #64
Second only to his keeling over. Xavier Breath Nov 9 #70
It's a tough choice, but I have to agree with you on that. JoseBalow Nov 9 #74
K&R spanone Nov 8 #23
They won't care DC77 Nov 8 #25
No, They won'y care. Woodycall Nov 8 #29
But many people will care. That is the point. nt Habibi Nov 8 #30
Yes Woodycall Nov 8 #33
We are not in power DC77 Nov 8 #40
I texted this to Joe. We all should. masmdu Nov 8 #26
Never happen AverageOldGuy Nov 8 #27
From your lips Colgate 64 Nov 8 #28
Evidence needs to go public before trump has it destroyed. nt Ilsa Nov 8 #31
It's either release it now or they will moniss Nov 8 #32
I remember that well. Woodycall Nov 8 #42
Yes indeed and moniss Nov 9 #47
Make it so! FailureToCommunicate Nov 8 #34
Am I being paranoid to suggest soldierant Nov 8 #37
Yes, Joe. Please close the barn door AFTER all the horses have run away. Martin Eden Nov 9 #48
Okay, but to what end? It's too late to have any positive consequence at this point. Some MAGA voters are just Texin Nov 9 #49
Never happen AverageOldGuy Nov 9 #50
Too late, none of it matters now. Irish_Dem Nov 9 #51
For fucks sake berksdem Nov 9 #52
Post removed Post removed Nov 9 #53
I don't know Enola Nov 9 #55
That would be nice but won't happen. Dave Bowman Nov 9 #57
Why? SunSeeker Nov 9 #72
Why would it matter? Polybius Nov 9 #59
The future matters. SunSeeker Nov 9 #76
The psycho Meowmee Nov 9 #62
Get it all out in "We the People" domain. Last chance. Nothing will ever see daylight after January 20. n/t Evolve Dammit Nov 9 #63
Never gonna happen. Joe plays by last century's rule book. CrispyQ Nov 9 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 9 #67
He also has immunity via the SC kimbutgar Nov 9 #68
It wouldn't change much. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 9 #69
It could change some minds. It doesn't take much; just 2 out of 100 means we'd win by a landslide. SunSeeker Nov 9 #73
Yes! Of course! Do it NOW! SunSeeker Nov 9 #71
He will not do that. He will protect that institution at all costs Autumn Nov 9 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 9 #83
Likely won't find much in those documents that will change anything. But sure, why not. Silent Type Nov 9 #77
He should pardon Snowden, Assange, and Hunter...nt Mark.b2 Nov 9 #78
He won't do it. Gotta play nice. Jakes Progress Nov 9 #81
Wait and see Nigrum Cattus Nov 9 #82

Volaris

(10,673 posts)
1. I agree.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:35 PM
Nov 8

(On Edit) Also, he should issue blanket pardons for anyone on Trumps enemies list, that ALSO has the decency and democratic spirit to attend the inaugration...BECAUSE, if you think trump WONT try to have them arrested live on national television, well...

Failure of imagination is what got us here.

Mike Niendorff

(3,570 posts)
7. Excellent point.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:47 PM
Nov 8

Blanket pardons could definitely be issued -- up to and including every person in the United States that Trump could ever potentially go after, frankly. He does have that power.

Trump has already promised to pardon over 1000 J6 criminals, and has in fact already pardoned multiple co-conspirators.

And god knows Ford used the pardon power to save Nixon from certain prosecution, for *actual* crimes.

It's pretty clear that Biden could definitely use that power to pre-empt any or all of the political prosecutions Trump is clearly intending to commit, if he's willing. Which he 100% should be.

So yes, this sounds like a pretty good use of his presidential authority to me, in this exact moment in history.


MDN

MadameButterfly

(2,120 posts)
54. I'm not sure you can pardon someone
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 10:29 AM
Nov 9

who hasn't yet been accused of a crime. I think accepting a pardon is admition of guilt. And I expect Trump would ignore pardons anyway. Who would stop him? They would already be illegal prosecutions.

odins folly

(292 posts)
56. I believe the nixon pardon
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 12:38 PM
Nov 9

Was for crimes he may have or may not have committed. Blanket pardon.

I could be wrong

Lochloosa

(16,462 posts)
79. You are not wrong. Nixons pardon was a blanket pardon.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 05:14 PM
Nov 9

He had not been charged with any crimes when he stepped down.

JoseBalow

(5,892 posts)
66. I believe it's only for past crimes, known or unknown
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:03 PM
Nov 9

But I don't think a pardon would cover future crimes. So even if a past crime were unknown or not charged, it would still be covered by a blanket pardon. That's how I understand it.

Jit423

(499 posts)
14. THIS! So disappointed.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:37 PM
Nov 8

At least those files should be copied and or taken to the Library of Congress for preservation.

In It to Win It

(9,831 posts)
4. Joe's too good for this. Have Chuck Schumer call a Senate hearing and request the evidence
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:39 PM
Nov 8

Congress leaks. It'll get out.

Mike Niendorff

(3,570 posts)
8. Congress does not have "absolute criminal immunity"
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:51 PM
Nov 8

Joe does, and there's nothing Trump or the SCOTUS can do about that now

He needs to step up to the moment and throw it right in their criminal faces.


MDN

drray23

(8,039 posts)
80. Congress people have absolute immunity to what they do on the floor.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 05:22 PM
Nov 9

As part of the debate clause. So, they could enter any document in the public record by reading it and making it part of congressional proceedings in the senate.

paleotn

(19,698 posts)
18. Um, Dems still control the executive branch. You accusing Biden of a cover up?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:52 PM
Nov 8

Me thinks you need to explain yourself or that sounds very close to an attack on Democrats.

stillcool

(32,840 posts)
22. do you think all government employees...
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:57 PM
Nov 8

are Democrats or Republicans? Surely in the vast expanse that is the federal government, life-long employees can do a little shredding? What about that is an attack on any Democrat? WTF?

usaf-vet

(7,093 posts)
12. Resign the Presidency hand it a second time to Harris making her the 47th. With her immunity she could do it.....
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:22 PM
Nov 8

.... metaphorically kicking Trump in the balls. The pu$$y grabbing a$$hole needs to feel some pain before he gets sworn in.

Hand a gift to the rest of us who sent money, made calls, knocked on doors, and did whatever was asked of us.

Please send us a little post-election gift. It would go a long way to convincing me to volunteer the next time we are needed. What do we have to show for all of our gifts to help get Democrats elected?

Please don't treat us like Trump treats his support. He says f**kem when he gets what he wants.

WokeAintWhatIAm

(7 posts)
35. Groundswell of support from me for this.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:15 PM
Nov 8

I have been tweeting, posting and just damn saying - Joe, resign the office, and give her the 47th....
Pack the court, unrestrict Ukraine, and stop standing in the gap - you can't stop what has to happen
but you can make it harder for it to hurt us...

Frank D. Lincoln

(698 posts)
13. Yeah, we're all going to need to be able to legally get high
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:34 PM
Nov 8

to cope with the stress of Donald Trump shoving his Project 2025 up our asses.

calimary

(84,805 posts)
16. That would be a thing of beauty!
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:41 PM
Nov 8

Sure would be hard for Trump to contain any of it if it’s released to the public. At least I think so.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
17. Tom is not a war time consigliere. Bring in the old man!
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:51 PM
Nov 8

I'm not sure who Vito is or if Tom Hagen can morph into him but he needs to show up for a few weeks.

ancianita

(39,024 posts)
19. Joe wouldn't declassify top secret classified documents. He just wouldn't threaten national security by doing that.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:53 PM
Nov 8

But everything else, he might.

On Facebook, he says "text me at (302) 404-0880."

Give it a shot.

electric_blue68

(19,113 posts)
38. I feel like I'm I'm walking into the middle of a discussion and I'm missing something..
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:21 PM
Nov 8
ity by doing that.
But everything else, he might.

On Facebook, he says "text me at (302) 404-0880."

Give it a shot.


Who -is- the "he" here....Prs Biden?
Is this is a Prs Biden FB page?

If Not, then, who?

If this is something maybe useful to do; I need more clarification. Ty!

electric_blue68

(19,113 posts)
41. I can't acess FB right now (phone # issue) so this is a Biden FB pg? Sorry to sound..um...obtuse?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:31 PM
Nov 8

ancianita

(39,024 posts)
43. Yes. On your phone you can actually use your text messaging app to send him a text to that number.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:45 PM
Nov 8

No worries! I mean, who ever thinks of texting the president, right?

JoseBalow

(5,892 posts)
21. While he's at it, could we get the JFK and UFO stuff too?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:54 PM
Nov 8

Show us what they're hiding, before it all ends up in a basement toilet somewhere in Florida.

Polybius

(18,671 posts)
61. Yes, and he said he was talked out of it for national security reasons or something
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:47 PM
Nov 9

He said that he regretted listening, and this time he won't hold back.

Hopefully, it's not another lie.

JoseBalow

(5,892 posts)
64. Ya, that's how I remember it too.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:58 PM
Nov 9

I hope he does change his mind, it would be at least one useful thing that he does.

JoseBalow

(5,892 posts)
74. It's a tough choice, but I have to agree with you on that.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 05:01 PM
Nov 9

Still, I'd really like to know what they're hiding.

That said, I'd trade it all to find out what happened to Jimmy Hoffa.

Woodycall

(352 posts)
29. No, They won'y care.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:40 PM
Nov 8

There could be actual 8mm photographic film (that can't be faked) of him sodomizing a 10 year old girl and they would love it. They would cheer. That's who they are...

Woodycall

(352 posts)
33. Yes
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:01 PM
Nov 8

But it's too late. On our side, we know all of the depraved things he's done and we, the righteous, despise him with every fiber of our being. They know all of the depraved things he's done and they, the unrighteous, love and celebrate him. And they're in charge. And they will be in charge for like, now on... This is end-game now. Their 50 -year project is complete. Who's going to stop them? Who's going to save us? Could we have stopped the Nazis if they had our military capabilities including nuclear weapons? Because that's who they are now. There will be no D-Day this time I'm afraid...

AverageOldGuy

(2,254 posts)
27. Never happen
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:34 PM
Nov 8

Biden doesn't have the balls to do what needs to be done. He's an institutionalist who does not realize that the institutions are on the way out.

moniss

(6,252 posts)
32. It's either release it now or they will
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:53 PM
Nov 8

destroy it all once they get in. It's what they did in the Scott Walker corruption case in Wisconsin once the rigged Supreme Court gave them the chance all of the evidence was ordered destroyed because they said it might "infringe on someone's 1st Amendment rights" or some such nonsense. The proof was all there about the crookedness, the names of the players and the people who funded it all. All gone now and never seen by the public.

Woodycall

(352 posts)
42. I remember that well.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:34 PM
Nov 8

And you know how "kitchen accident" Scooter cashed-in? He's got what is basically a "no-show" or "seldom-show" job funded by right-wing billionaires via right-wing "stink tanks". He has a total compensation package of just a hair under a million dollars a year. Not bad for a college drop out with no marketable skills. And that's the heart of it all. Every single republican politician is working for a similar payday. And Trump is at the top of the list. Stop thinking about it in terms of "ideology". There is no ideology whatsoever involved. It's organized crime on the largest scale. The scale of an entire nation. Just like the original German Nazis. Seriously. Watch Schindler's List again from that perspective. It's the entire subplot...

moniss

(6,252 posts)
47. Yes indeed and
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 01:42 AM
Nov 9

as I've recently mentioned these "groups"/"stink tanks" have grown so outrageously entwined and in number that it makes tracking it a life's work. But just as an example is the John birch Society and it's founders/funders. They also formed other groups with names like Western goals Foundation etc. You quickly found these groups conducting spying operations, arms running etc. and supporting covert operations contrary to what was stated law and US policy. They would enlist, by political donations of course, Senators and Representatives into the fold to run cover and also put them in touch with even more people. This stuff was a natural place for the neo-Nazis, white supremacists etc. because in addition to the groups anti-Communism fervor they also were against the Civil Rights activists and claiming them to be Communists. This was a conscious strategy of branching out and forming groups with different positive sounding names in order to distance themselves from the baggage of being Birchers and tied to McCarthy etc. But when you look at the roster of those involved in these groups all the way from the JBS on up to the present day you find the Kochs, the Hunts and even Roy Cohn. Most people think he sort of faded after McCarthy and was just doing his local crooking around New York but that's not the case at all and we know how the current tyrant was tied to Cohn and worshiped him. So by the time these folks got to the Reagan years they were in full swing to be major players in Iran-Contra matters. Many of these groups actively recruit former intelligence/military people to do their dirty work and for their connections in DC. It also goes both ways with nefarious actors in DC using these groups for "independent" intelligence operations.

In our present day we have the Scaife family, the Mercers, the Kochs and foreign oligarchs from Russia, China etc. all pumping billions and billions of dollars into the coffers of these groups and it would be a huge mistake to think it is about ideologies etc. As you pointed out this is about crime, money, control and power. It was predictable from the beginning when this stuff started blossoming and many people did warn of this back in the '50's and '60's. But now here we are with a bought and paid for Supreme Court majority and any effort to reign any of this in is DOA at their door. They won't change the tax code to rid these people of their tax exempt status because the money flows and buys the politicians which equals protection.

soldierant

(8,075 posts)
37. Am I being paranoid to suggest
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:17 PM
Nov 8

that not only should this be done (to the extent that it does not actually compromise national security, as note in several comments before mine), but that it should be done through the UN, or NATO, or one or a combination of powerful ally(ies)? Because as of January 20, 2025, I can no longer trust the American government for anything. And I would not want all this evidence to get buried.

Texin

(2,672 posts)
49. Okay, but to what end? It's too late to have any positive consequence at this point. Some MAGA voters are just
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:55 AM
Nov 9

beginning to understand how the tariffs will affect them. It's still too late. There's nothing left to do about it. We're fucked every way from Sunday.

AverageOldGuy

(2,254 posts)
50. Never happen
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:59 AM
Nov 9

Biden is an institutionalist, he will not do anything to threaten the way the institutions in our country operate.

Response to Mike Niendorff (Original post)

Enola

(37 posts)
55. I don't know
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 11:39 AM
Nov 9

what to do next. It is over. No more USA. What should I do? I live in a red state. Should I stay here, move to a blue state? Leave the country? Sending Joe text messages is futile. Dems in government I'm sure are looking at options. There are none. We were so busy being ethical and virtuous we let them take over. Virtue won't save us now.

Polybius

(18,671 posts)
59. Why would it matter?
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 02:45 PM
Nov 9

Even if there's a video of Trump in 1999 with a 16 year girl, he's still going to be President January 20th.

SunSeeker

(54,198 posts)
76. The future matters.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 05:06 PM
Nov 9

Yes, he's going to get sworn on, unless he strokes out before then. But we need to establish that the Mueller Report found real collusion with Russia, because it did. That evidence was never allowed to come it, and we are the worse for it. The right continues to claim there is no such evidence, and tars all of the other accusations against Trump as more of the same.

Once Trump starts destroying the economy again, people will be less likely to overlook this kind of stuff. It needs to be out there for people to see.

Meowmee

(6,473 posts)
62. The psycho
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:50 PM
Nov 9

Will prosecute him anyway when he takes office if J does that. Still worth a shot imo but my guess is he won’t.

Evolve Dammit

(19,320 posts)
63. Get it all out in "We the People" domain. Last chance. Nothing will ever see daylight after January 20. n/t
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:52 PM
Nov 9

CrispyQ

(38,717 posts)
65. Never gonna happen. Joe plays by last century's rule book.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:59 PM
Nov 9

All the good he did will be wiped out by the fact that he didn't use his SCOTUS pre-approval to right the ship. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it in him.

Response to CrispyQ (Reply #65)

SunSeeker

(54,198 posts)
73. It could change some minds. It doesn't take much; just 2 out of 100 means we'd win by a landslide.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 04:59 PM
Nov 9

The defeatist attitude is a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Response to Autumn (Reply #75)

Jakes Progress

(11,184 posts)
81. He won't do it. Gotta play nice.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:04 PM
Nov 9

It follows what is meant by the saying "Democrats bring a book of Proust to a knife fight."

Nigrum Cattus

(251 posts)
82. Wait and see
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:31 PM
Nov 9

Pres. Biden has surprised everyone with how he goes about things.
Wait until 19 Jan 2025 - we all might be surprised.

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