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Biden Should Make Sure Ukraine Gets Nukes (Original Post) Beetwasher. Nov 8 OP
Yes they had them and moniss Nov 8 #1
They don't want nukes. TwilightZone Nov 8 #2
Absolutely not. bif Nov 8 #3
French nuclear weapons along with NATO troops. roamer65 Nov 8 #4
NONE of the nuke wargames during the Cold War ended with de-escalation after the first nuke exchange.. albacore Nov 8 #5
I'll sell all my assets and move to a southern country. Xolodno Nov 8 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 8 #7
Shall we play a game? TwilightZone Nov 8 #8
Sometimes I wonder Zeitghost Nov 8 #9
No iemanja Nov 9 #10
bad idea WarGamer Nov 9 #11

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
2. They don't want nukes.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:04 PM
Nov 8
The Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine in 1990 stated that Ukraine would not accept, acquire, or produce nuclear weapons, and its government declared on 24 October 1991 that Ukraine would be a non-nuclear-weapon state.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#:~:text=Budapest%20Memorandum,-Main%20article%3A%20Budapest&text=The%20Declaration%20of%20State%20Sovereignty,non%2Dnuclear%2Dweapon%20state.

Besides, that sounds like a horrible idea. Among myriad other reasons, Putin would use that as an excuse to use them on Ukraine or destroy infrastructure under false pretenses.

albacore

(2,643 posts)
5. NONE of the nuke wargames during the Cold War ended with de-escalation after the first nuke exchange..
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:21 PM
Nov 8

The all ended in species extinction.
So...no nukes.

Xolodno

(6,783 posts)
6. I'll sell all my assets and move to a southern country.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:35 PM
Nov 8

That will invoke WW3. You may be willing to be vaporized, die of a horrible radiation death or worse, survive it, but I'm not. There are no winners in a nuclear exchange. The whole point of having nukes is so the other guy doesn't use them on you. But push too far and you force them to fly their birds.

Entire northen hemisphere will be affected, which means even nueteral and non combantant nations will be affected. There are no winners. And you kill innocent lives over something they were not even part of.

And spare me the meme that Russia wouldn't use them. That was the arguement the Generals were giving to JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Thank God he took the quiet deal (some would call it appeasement) to get out of that mess. Otherwise, we not even be here today.

This would be a major criminal blunder to have a nuclear holocaust. However, most responsible would not be alive to face justice and those that survive, would probably be forced to stay in the hell landscape they created. Why waste good rope?

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Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
9. Sometimes I wonder
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:44 PM
Nov 8

What happened to the Democratic Party I grew up in.

Far too many have embraced the war mongering and censorship loving tendencies that used to be reserved for power hungry right wing lunatics. SMFH

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