Are we now Germany of 1933*? I just know that the election was dirty** and I have existential dread bad.

[Botany]

* https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-

Paul von Hindenburg, the second president of the Weimar Republic, appointed Adolf Hitler as chancellor on January 30, 1933. Hindenburg was initially opposed to Hitler and the Nazi Party, but his advisors convinced him that Hitler was necessary to ensure a functional government and the support of the Nazi Party.

—————————————————

I can’t watch the news, we are about to abandon Ukraine, Trump will have more Supreme Court appointments, such wonderful programs like the Biden Administration’s, “Food is medicine” or trying to pay tribute to our original Americans or just his kindness will be gone.

The turning of the DoJ into a Christo Fascist strike force, so much more like the abandoning of science, becoming Vlad Putin’s client state, and the pardoning of all those J-6th coup birds are just chilling nightmares to me.

** I can’t put my finger on exactly what happened but Trump was speaking to half empty rallies as he
was masturbating a mic stand and then acting like he was giving a blow job to microphone and he still
won makes me think about his secret plan where voting will not matter. Come on President Joe we need
an audit of that election. Musk and Putin had something to do with the out come …@ least I think so.

Btw Thanx a shit load for doing nothing Merrick the man should have been in prison years ago. We
executed 2 people the Rosenbergs, for doing what Trump was doing with those stolen documents
and another person Robert Hansen, just died in our Super Max Federal Prison for the same thing too.

[Island Blue]

1. I agree 100%!

[Elessar Zappa]

2. I think we just lost.

People here, including myself were in our own little bubble. We were convinced by the liberal blogosphere that the polls were off, young people would put Harris over, etc. Rally sizes don’t matter. The fact is we lost many young men of all races and Hispanic men of all ages. We could not win with those kinds of shifts. And if we insist it was stolen, we won’t self analyze to realize what went wrong and how to correct it.

[Bettie]

9. The way to correct it is

to bow down to misogyny and never run another woman as a candidate.

But, reaching out to the right didn't help at all, in fact, it may have hurt us with the base.

Of course, we're unlikely to have a chance to vote again, in a real election. Yes, we'll likely have some kind of "dear leader" type election where there is one candidate, but they don't plan to ever be out of power.

But if I'm wrong on that, we're going to see only middle aged, conservative white men running. They will try to be Republican lite and we'll continue to lose.

I hope that I am wrong about all of this, but it's where I see it going. There's that old saying about giving them an inch and them taking a mile....well, they're taking the whole road, all the way to the horizon.

My only comfort is knowing that a lot of these people fucked themselves over and they will find out soon enough.

[enigmania]

18. I'm so tired

of seeing everything dragged to the right.

[Bettie]

21. Me too

I'm also sad about the fact that I have to cut a lot of people out of my life.

I can't do my in-laws' family gatherings. They are almost all MAGAts and I just can't deal with it.

I'm in Iowa, I'm worried that we won't have a public school anymore for my son who is a sophomore to attend, once they take federal funding from public schools and leave it to the states. Our governor won't spend a penny on public schools.

I'm worried that the orange piece of shit will send the US Military to stand shoulder to shoulder with Putin's military to kill Ukraine.

The one thing that brings me a grim smile is thinking about how all of the assholes who voted for him will be shocked when his terrible policies fuck them over along with the rest of us. I will laugh then and not feel a tiny bit bad about it

[Buckeyeblue]

23. I don't think anyone is suggesting we don't have women candidates or we become republican lite

But not having a candidate go through a rigorous primary really hurt us, because we weren't able to run the strongest candidate available. We need a candidate who can best convey a vision and a solution to problems. Unfortunately, Harris didn't do a good job of that.

[Meadowoak]

27. I am. We've been burned twice trying to elect a woman

Men are intimidated by a strong successful woman, and women are jealous of them.

[jaxexpat]

36. You are right. Infantile intimidation and jealousy carried more weight on voters' choice than any real policy,

such as small business start-up loans, expansion of health care protections, immigration regulation reform or all the other rational ideas for which candidates are supposed to be elected.

[Marthe48]

40. So ironic that Germany

Elected a woman. Other first world nations have, too.
My personal plan is to do what I can under the radar to thwart, delay, obstruct the dictatorship and ruin days for as many rwnj as I can.
Basically what I've been doing my whole life, but when there was hope for change.

[Joinfortmill]

39. Oh, my, she was magnificent.

[EndlessWire]

50. I disagree.

For gawd's sake, do you think the Orange Turd did a bang up job with his economic plan? This guy is a convicted felon, rapist, fraudster, liar, and award winning lowlife. Harris did an amazing job, conveyed what normal voters want to know, had no baggage except that she is female (an advantage, in my opinion.)

How about, the Trump voters are just stupid, ignorant, lazy assholes who just voted against their own self interests because they love to hear other people called vile names? They enjoyed seeing him fellate the mic and tell his obvious, never-ending lies. I am also one of those who will laugh when they lose their social security, jobs, and have to stand in bread lines along with the rest of us. They had a chance for normalcy, and they blew it. They will quickly find out what their priorities are, but too late.

[Lucky Luciano]

41. Gotta go Bernie style.

A lot of Bernie people switched to fuckface this time around. The ones I know are all definitely pro choice but care MUCH less about that than the price of eggs.

Inflation is extremely bad for the incumbent no matter the reason. Worldwide, the incumbents did terribly.

As a separate thing, the country is not ready for social justice. It is obvious that after the court allowed gay marriage, democrats felt that they could finally not have to sweep persecuted minorities under the rug going into elections. I remember gay members of DU back in 2008 or so complaining that the party was telling them to stifle themselves or risk losing the election. Hate to say it, but that strategy appears to be better if your metric is winning elections.

We can run women, but we probably have to STFU about being joyous at the prospect of the first [insert persecuted group here] to become X. That clearly is a loser. At this rate, we are looking at President Tulsi Gabbard being the first female president.

We can still fight the good fight, but outright wokeness is a loser.

Liberals also assumed Latinos care most about immigration. They don’t care. They care about the price of eggs. And for fuck’s sake, send the term Latinx to the dustbin. That term is from white people telling them how their culture should be.

[EdmondDantes_]

53. People said the same thing after Bush and after Obama and after Trump

We will absolutely have real elections going forward.

The way to correct the issue of guys moving right is to at least consider why beyond just misogyny. We have an economy that is increasingly not working for people, especially guys without college educations. Trump spoke to their anger, but it's possible to speak to their hope. Writing them off as lost just cedes them to Trump and Andrew Tate and the rest. How exactly is that working out?

[GoreWon2000]

56. Maybe in your universe

there'll be more elections. It was W's 2000 coup that put us on this terrible path. Something needs to be done about the far-right echo chamber that social media has become that's radicalizing a generation of young men. Also, maybe when they watch their wives or girlfriends die of miscarriages because they can't get the medical help they need and the guys are left to raise their already born children alone and only on 1 income, without affordable childcare they might wake up then.

[Pepsidog]

26. Right on point. I was delusional thinking our country represented something that it doesn't.

[EndlessWire]

43. I think that something is wrong with the election as well.

But, we don't seem to have any tools to help ourselves. We really should have gotten rid of DeJoy, for one thing. That didn't happen, even though we could have done something more. I found it peculiar that the GOP reversed itself and urged all their base to mail in their ballots.

As we try to perk up and grin, it helps to realize that, well, let's face it, Kamala is female. Right in the middle of this incredible upsurge of hate against women, we ran a woman. A highly competent, experienced female. Whether we like it or not, many, many men don't want a female as a President. We are out of step with the rest of the world.

"We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing." We now have to work tirelessly, quietly and sharply to undo even more rat fuckery that will be heaped on us. We have to figure out how to resist. Being resilient is at the forefront of the resistance. It won't be overnight, and it will be by inches.

We might not have to do much of anything, because Trump et al. is going to shaft everyone. I'll never, ever forget how he made the comment in 2016 that he didn't need his base anymore, because he had won. They shouldn't expect any mercy from him in any respect. Wait until they experience that. Surprise! Kiss your income and healthcare goodbye! EVERYONE.

Honestly, it seems like we can't trust anybody. People like to make you feel guilty if you are depressed over the outcome, or if you're Pollyanna about it. You are entitled to your feelings without criticism. There are different days, and one day you're down, and the next day you have talked your way out of it. Pace yourself.

We have to stick together.

[Cosmocat]

64. Like 2008

Like most elections the last 40 years.

That is why Rs have had a strong majority of governorship and state assemblies for the last quarter century and have more often controlled the house and senate.

[mopinko]

3. at the very least, they did a good job of suppressing our votes.

making ppl stand in long lines, vote provisional, quibbling over id’s, bomb threats.
they pulled out all the stops.

then there’s the widespread reports of mib’s going missing. we know they saw this as a vulnerability they cd exploit, cuz they did it w the laws they passed. narrowing acceptance windows, nitpicking sigs, mailing them late.
and of course- dejoy.

does it add up to enough? we deserve a solid answer to that question.

[ananda]

19. I think voter suppression, the loss of ballots, and the threats...

had a large impact.

It's been in the works for the past four years,
and that's why Trump could make all those
assertions about the votes being in the bag.

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. Please Read this:

https://digbysblog.net/2024/11/09/post-election-disinfo/

We must face the path ahead clear eyed and well informed, and not mislead by misinformation.

[Ananda62]

5. Something's not right

More and more about this stinks. Record voter registrations but lower # of voters? Thousand of uncounted ballots in blue cities? Elon bragging about how easy it would be to hack US elections. Election deniers in charge of counting votes various counties?

Plus Joe Rogan said (on his show) Elon declared Trump the winner 4 hrs before any news organization called the election. My sister pointed out that every candidate who got TV ads from the crypto lobby won their election.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but the current administration needs to investigate.

[Botany]

8. I have worked election protection for years and I don't know where the weak spot is in our current...

…. elections because the voting machines are not hooked up to the net but to me at least
the results don’t make any sense.

Btw I think worries about high inflation* is just a cover story to explain the results just like
the last minute shift in Ohio in 2004 because people were worried about the threat of gay
marriage.

* btw part 2 the higher cost of eggs and chicken has more to do with the millions of chickens
that died or had to be put down because of avian flu not Joe Biden. Purposeful misinformation
has its costs and it’s backers too.

[uponit7771]

49. The only weak spot I can think of is the Mail In Ballots didn't show up in the proportional increase like they did for

... Biden.

Early vote and day of were on point ... mail ins? Not so much ... my theory

[Botany]

57. It looks like "they" were into the data somehow either prior to the election (voter suppression?),

manipulation of the total number of votes and or voters on the the day of the election or before, and
spreading misinformation before or after the election such as people were really upset about inflation or
the threat of kids getting sex change operations @ school.

We need a forensic audit on the election. Something or things happened but what?

Star link???

[uponit7771]

61. Yep, it was the number of new small donors to the DNC that I'm hanging on, that's usually a banked vote. Voter ...

... suppression of the Day Of vote could be a factor but no one is releasing that data yet.

Harris will exceeded Biden's vote count in most swing states ... we need to know what happened, Trump got 94% in 20 and 94% this year too

[japple]

65. In 2020, everyone mailed in or dropped off their ballots due to Covid. Who is in charge of the mail

service now? It's still de holdover from de tRUMP era: DeJoy

[uponit7771]

69. Right !!! I'm not tryna start CT but Harris had record number of individual votes which are 90% a banked vote.

[uponit7771]

48. This and record number of **NEW** small donors to the DNC, those small donors was 80% going to vote.

[Kid Berwyn]

6. The US government soon will be led by Putin's Puppet.

The traitor Trump was never held to account and now he’s promising revenge. Project 2025 is their blueprint for a fascist Amerikkka with Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn, Kash Patel, NAZI etc and a nation of incels armed with machine guns standing by and up to do the dirty work. I doubt they’ll give the voters another chance to vote them out.

[MiHale]

7. He freaking told us...

We always said he speaks in projection….he told us he was going to cheat when he said …the Democrats have to cheat to win.
Then he said he had enough votes before any voting started.

Come on…2+2 is still 4…right?

[Blue Full Moon]

16. Right along with the Big Lie

They also accuse the democrats of doing what they do. So the election of 2020 was used as their talking point. To a ridiculous level. Now they have done it but everyone is afraid of saying anything because now it looks kooky. Chilling effect.
They make a big todo over Hillary's emails which really was nothing. Then use it as an excuse to for Trump taking boxes of classified materials including nuclear info to Mar a Lago where anyone could have access and some documents are missing.

[cilla4progress]

25. Exaxtly

what my husband thinks.

[Beck23]

33. No comparison

Hillary' emails were nothing compared to Trump's calls to Putin on an unsecured phone. I live near DC and learned that there were numerous white vans parked near the White House monitoring his calls.

He also gave out security clearances with no background check to family members. -And so much more.

[MontanaMama]

29. This.

Something indeed isn’t right.

[ashredux]

10. To answer your question, yes. Nothings yet totally baked in, but we're on that road. I'm terribly saddened to say.

[Blue Full Moon]

11. That's why they destroyed the learning channel

And the rest that were modeled after it. One of them was going to run a documentary on how the country was following the pattern of 1930s Germany. Bush jr stopped them from showing it. Then soon after destroyed the programming on those stations. We ended up with Honey Boo Boo and the rest of that crap.

[japple]

13. Honey BooBoo and The Apprentice.

[Botany]

14. Don't forget "The Apprentice" which marketed Trump as a business genius when in fact he was a failure.

I have always wondered how much Russian money and support that show got. Putin has been working
“the long game” with Trump for 30 + years. He saw in Donny a weak, not very smart, and a vulnerable
target with which to attack the United States from the inside by dividing Americans against each
other.

[live love laugh]

35. Remember when they banned Saving Private Ryan?

[japple]

12. Totally agree. It smells as rotten as yesterday's fish. And it seemed to start smelling about

the time Eloon joined the race. I think Putin was so worried that tRUMP would stroke out or the assassins would get him, so he sent Eloon in to help. After tRUMP declared himself the winner, he had the same demeanor/energy he had when he & Putin had their little private talk in Helsinki.

[Ysabel]

15. fuck fuck fuck...

I'm scared and I get so shaky I'm afraid I'll cut my own arm off if I try to use my roman sword in self defense if they try to take me and put me in some horrible camp...

- or my head which would be much worse!

additional: (a roman sword is double edged)...

[Blue Full Moon]

17. A hard choice needs to be made way up the ladder

Do they allow Hitler/ Mussolini? Or stop the threat?

[ananda]

20. I think that was the choice and always was.

They just didn't have quite enough voter suppression
and media onslaught four years ago.

[Blue Full Moon]

22. Fascist always place loyal people on both sides

[Kaleva]

47. Michigan has a Dem gov, SOS, AG and legislature

But Trump easily won the state. Who did the suppression?

[ananda]

58. Well, it wasn't just suppression, was it?

Who got the Muslims riled up about Gaza,
infiltrated them with protesters, and paid
them to protest?

Muslims have been totally manipulated,
misinformed, and inflamed to take a stance
on an issue that harms them way more than
it helps Gazans.

Think about this.

[Kaleva]

60. Hispanics went for Trump

"However, 58% of Michigan's Hispanic voters cast ballots to see another Trump presidency. "

https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/black-and-hispanic-voters-speak-on-trump-winning-michigan/

According to an article at WP, 11% of blacks in Michigan voted for Trump

[ananda]

62. I've already posted about what I think happened with Latinos.

I used to teach Latinos and deal with the parents as well.

They were some of the most racist people I ever met,
and the males were really fucked up.

Their view of women was tied in closely with the Virgin
Mary. This came out of the way the Spanish colonizers
treated the indigenous people in Latin America as they
brutally colonized them. The men were killed, and the
women were treated abominably, So the Virgin Mary
became their primary god, and that is still true to this
day.

This means that marriage, motherhood, and saintly
submission are expected from all women.

And then there's the way internalized oppression works.
People here have already explained how assimilated
Latinos hate immigrant Latinos and Black people because
they need to feel superior or less oppressed and identify
with white oppressors instead.

Trump and his people knew how to push all these buttons,
not by reaching out to them on a decent, human level
the way Harris and Walz did, but by triggering their need
not to feel oppressed and to identify with the oppressor
as though they would actually be exempt from the
horrors Trump and his Nazis actually have planned for them.

Very sad, but that's how it is.

[Kaleva]

66. It's probably more of a nationality thing

Latinos aren't a monolithic bloc. Much like the Europeans who immigrated earlier, they are divided into nationalities who look down upon and despise other nationalities .

[cilla4progress]

24. I appreciate the sound thinking here.

I'm aware that my privilege is going to allow me more than many others to ignore the whole shitshow..for awhile..which is my plan

[ColinC]

28. It would be tough to make him a dictator at this point.

He would need more than 4 years.

[Pepsidog]

30. So I live in NJ and took my wife and four adult kids to vote. Voting was always easy and fast. This election the line to

vote was 3-4 hours long. As I walked out, I remarked to my daughter look at that line, I bet I can pick out all the Trumpers. As I glanced down the line I realized that most of them looked like Trumpers. It was like when Hillary lost all I noticed were Trump lawn signs. My other daughter works as a medical device rep and she said almost all her co-workers who women and lived in Philly and its outskirts were voting Trump.i was shocked and worried. The point is, like 2012 all the signs were there for a democratic defeat but I convinced myself it couldn’t happen.

[Beck23]

34. Lots of Harris signs still out in Northern Virginia

I went for a drive yesterday and saw quite a few Hartis signs still out in an upper middle class neighorhood. Hope is still alive.

[uponit7771]

52. +1, Did you do mail in ballot in 20? I've been screaming about voter suppression being effective for 4 years. This time

... it wasn't in mainly PoC areas but all over.

Standing in line for 3 - 4 hours on a work day is voter suppression when urban and exurban areas don't put up with that kind of wait

[bif]

31. We'll need to practice goose-stepping.

[Aviation Pro]

32. Although Nazi Germany had a ban on handguns

It did not ban rifles and shotguns because of their deep history with hunting.

However, the average citizen did not have the equivalent of the Wehrmacht's weapons like we do.

So, 450,000,000 privately owned firearms tell me we are not Germany of 1933.

[Kaleva]

45. Some here want to disarm us.

[uponit7771]

54. The majority are concentrated in the hands of 3% of America (link). Also, its not like Jewish people didn't have shotgun

... shotguns etc. during the beginning of their deportation my understanding is they trusted the German government not to kill them on an industrial scale.

Despite the deportations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/19/us-gun-ownership-survey

[Aviation Pro]

59. 2016 numbers

Much more now and no longer concentrated in the 3%.

[jeffreyi]

37. I wonder if it's the American version of the fall of the Soviet Union.

We know who the winners were after that phenomenon.

[Joinfortmill]

38. I agree with everything you said except the Garland part. I'm reserving judgment on what the

DOJ is doing or not doing, at least for now. It's damn scary and there isn't much we can do except try to take as good care of each other as we can. Take care and I hope Karma pays a visit to, you know who, soon.

[Marthe48]

42. Some things I can't square

First of all the enthusiasm for VP Harris' run, for Gov. Walz. There were lines and SRO at their rallies, compared to low turnout for the orange burnout.
I don't like that traitor said he didn't need their votes, that this would be the last election where they'd have to vote, that he acted out or didn't even try, and went to areas that were either lightly populated or he wouldn't win.

There was record early voting. Record fund raising for so many of the Dem candidates.

I read that the U.S. will change its alignment in the world, that the dictator will get in line with other dictatorships across the world and leave our allies on their own. I grew up in the 50s and 60s. The European alliances, NATO, are all I know. After Germany was reunited, reagan said that russia was our friend. My husband and I couldn't accept that. That russia was the bad guy was ingrained in our outlook. I guess I didn't have to rethink much when putin seized power and has devoted himself to world dominion.

I heard over the last several years that the r party is dead, that it's been taken over by rwnj. But now I hear that the Democratic Party has lost its historic base--the south, the first to leave, of course, labor, the educated, the middle class. Did the Democratic Party abandon the economic glue that held the base together and turn too soon to goals that are alien to many people who supported a New Deal and not an Ideal? I am ashamed to say that there are too many Americans who would rather wear the black hat of the bad guy and behave like a bad ass. I remember in the 90s when the dot com economy lifted so many people and yet, along with the elevation of better jobs and opportunities, the undercurrent of 'real men don't eat quiche' was eroding the social awakening that was bringing a rainbow of people to financial success. Maybe we are here today because we shifted gears too soon and tore out the transmission. But how can we, as humans, willfully leave behind people who are as human as we are and have the same dreams, goals, ethics?

When I was young, I rejected the middle class life style i grew up in and which has been the aim of Americans of all backgrounds. I ended up with a foot in both worlds, hopefully sharing my gains with those less fortunate, keeping enough to be comfortable myself. But it seems like the concept of leaving a small footprint, of carrying someone who needs your support, has all been smothered by greed, jealousy and hate.

Going forward, I'm not going to share myself as I did. I don't want to be nice to rwnj, especially if they're going to torture and kill people I care about. I'll always vote straight-ticket Dem, although I fear that this was the last election for America.

[Kaleva]

44. Hitler was defeated in a landslide in the '32 presidential election

[uponit7771]

46. ***HITLER ENTERED INTO OFFICE WITH LESS IMMUNITY THAN TRUMP***

[yaesu]

51. yes, the us is kaput. nt

[OAITW r.2.0]

55. We shall see.

I'm 72 and will go down fighting. May be arming up soon. I won't be intimidated by fascists. Was a great country to live in, until recently.

[Cosmocat]

63. Yes

Nm

[Skittles]

67. I have ZERO DOUBT what side repukes would have been on during WWII

NONE AT ALL

[artemisia1]

68. 2016 was 1933. Were in 1934 now. /nt