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https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate
drray23
(8,198 posts)Turbineguy
(38,958 posts)on the tee-vee machine.
MichMan
(14,782 posts)Yet, the vast majority were able to graduate HS anyway.
Mark.b2
(545 posts)You put a nickel in her on this subject, and you get a dollar’s worth. She’s passionate about it.
She’s always taught 2nd through 6th grades. She loves kids those ages. She says the vast majority of poor readers have parents who are not engaged in working alongside the teacher to help remedy the problem. And she’s not talking anout the single mom who works two jobs and who lacks time. Even that mom, if she cares and is determined to help when she can, can affect the child positively. My wife says she can work with mom to figure something out.
It’s the parents who frankly dont give a shit their kid cant read who are the problem. And there are many of them…at all socioeconomic levels.
To be sure, there are schools, administrators and teachers who are content to pass illiterate kids on to someone else.
Astonishingly, they dont flunk kids. In fact, she says that word is almost vulgar in academic circles.
There is no other skill more important our educational system should impart than reading.
lindysalsagal
(22,618 posts)Seems we can't find the happy medium between abuse and babysitting. The world is too complicated for our level of cognition and communication.
That's why they attack teachers and schools and libraries and librarians. Thinking hurts. The gqp is profiting off our willful ignorance.
Mark.b2
(545 posts)Still, at the end of every school year as she’s entering final grades, I always teasingly ask “did you flunk anyone?” I get the eye-roll! LOL
Dem4life1234
(2,530 posts)The entitlement of some of those parents is ridiculous.
Mark.b2
(545 posts)She had a kid that kept wearing a cap in the building even though it was against the rules. She gave him a final warning. If it happened again, she’d confiscate the hat and hold it until the kid brought a note from a parent saying they were aware of the issue.
The next day, the kid brings the note. It was from the mother. It said that if the teacher didn’t return the kid’s hat that day, the mom would be there the next day to take the hat back.
That’s a good example of what teachers deal with.
She said it was usually younger parents (
bamagal62
(3,863 posts)Then moved overseas and did 6 private/international/American school.
It was night and day between parents who cared and parents who didn’t give a sh/t.
Elessar Zappa
(16,324 posts)niyad
(123,149 posts)in my birth language.
live love laugh
(15,142 posts)Is this where I can audition to be an EXTRA in the sequel to "Idiocracy."
LoisB
(10,063 posts)misanthrope
(8,654 posts)He wants people to call him coach.
LoisB
(10,063 posts)X's and O's.
marybourg
(13,367 posts)really be able to understand the world around you, the rules, the words, the laws. And reading at a sixth grade level or lower means you’re not reading much or understanding much. Most things must be a scary mystery.
yardwork
(66,110 posts)She was an administrative assistant, and she was good at it.
She said she had a question that she was embarrassed to ask about. She didn't understand what people meant when they talked about conservatives and liberals. What did that mean, she asked. Did it have something to do with politics?
She wasn't asking a profound existential question. She literally didn't know what those words meant, or how they related to politics.
Ponietz
(3,485 posts)Silent Type
(8,932 posts)intelligent, excepting politics.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)and little of anything else especially how any system functions.
Pick a subject.
Any subject and odds are who ever you are dealing with is either blank or has made up their own understanding or borrowed an understanding from some know nothings or propagandists.
BannonsLiver
(19,034 posts)This was in the 80s. And I was no valedictorian candidate. Okay grades. We’ve fallen a long way.
love_katz
(2,982 posts)That I could read, comprehend and retain what I was reading, at the college level.
Reading was encouraged in my home. My dad said I could recite, word for word, the stories that my mother read to me, before I was three years old. Dad said that people might think that I was actually reading the story, but they could tell that I was reciting because I would pronounce the words and use the same inflection that my mom had, when she read me the story.
Dad started working on making me use my eyes more, by asking me to tell him what was on the page besides the words.
My parents constantly encouraged me to think. We had a Webster's unabridged dictionary, and dad made me look up unfamiliar words when I was still too small to lift it down to the table. He would get it down, but he made me search through it for the word, and he also insisted that I learn to sound words out. We had a subscription for National Geographic magazine, which I devoured eagerly each month. Mom took me to the library often enough that the librarian knew my name and helped pick out books for me. I still have two large format hardback books about nature and science that my folks bought as a holiday gift to our family.
I'm horrified at the lack of reading comprehension and logical thinking in our country.
travelingthrulife
(2,010 posts)I was not exceptional either. Just interested.
lame54
(37,789 posts)rubbersole
(9,657 posts)exboyfil
(18,192 posts)They were a strong contributor for me learning to read. Still love them. I don't read all that much anymore because I walk 3 plus hours a day and listen to audiobooks. Will read a lot more when I retire.
I do find it interesting how the 50s comics were more narrative than the ones today (at least EC horror and SF). Growing up was a mix of comics and science fiction with some fantasy. Today it is more horror.
I live reading to my one year old grandson just as I did my daughters a quarter century earlier. I don't think my parents ever read much to me, but when I was a little older I loved reading comics with my dad (he would be reading Conan while I read Kamandi and Legion of Super Heroes).
yardwork
(66,110 posts)Reading is reading, they figured. I always read a lot.
Kaleva
(39,156 posts)He was well educated, articulate and very intelligent.
Neither of my grandfather's made it past the 6th grade and yet they were hard working, caring family men and solid citizens . Same with my FIL who can't read.
Education is no guarantee .
dchill
(41,908 posts)Your point is missing.
GenThePerservering
(2,764 posts)honesty and education are not necessarily synonymous.
Kaleva
(39,156 posts)Dave says
(5,088 posts)… makes one easier prey for demagogues.
summer_in_TX
(3,540 posts)The National Assessment of Educational Progress isn't regularly given to Americans who are in that age group. More regular tests are needed.
Abolishinist
(2,390 posts)Figarosmom
(5,128 posts)Comprehend what they read at the 6th grade level.
AZ8theist
(6,686 posts)..so what's your point?
We are a nation of MAJORITY IMBECILES.
Dotard is the perfect leader.
Unfortunately, he is surrounded by smart, evil people who want nothing more than to steal ALL THE MONEY.
And will do so, while the rubes and the rest of us argue and fight over scraps.
It's been this way for humans for thousands of years. Fortunately, this unevolved stupidity will cause our extintion, and the planet will recover and survive. We just won't be around to see it.
defacto7
(14,023 posts)from previous centuries I had the opportunity to browse in the Yale archives years ago, I am convinced that collectively, humans have devolved mentally for whatever reason since the mid 19th century. I wrote a long post on this a long time ago, but I'll not dredge that up here.
I agree with you.
Rhiannon12866
(231,963 posts)Even in the summer, when school was out, the local library had a summer reading program for kids and my mother took my brother and me every week. We got credit for every book we read...
bamagal62
(3,863 posts)Long game all along. The less educated, the best for them. They’ve been destroying our education system since Regan. But we didn’t pay any attention. I saw it as a teacher. They’ve been working on it for years.
dchill
(41,908 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)To think we could depend on the genuine desire and determined will to do what is right for the people despite any opposition while seeking and respecting wisdom and expertise like President Comacho demonstrates is too optimistic to take seriously.
groundloop
(12,749 posts)Why put forth any effort to learn anything if you can simply wear the right clothes, say the right words, and hang out with the cool kids.
And of course everything that's been said about parental engagement applies also. I was reading with both of my kids nearly every night when they were young, and then helping with homework etc. etc. It's not all that difficult to be an involved parent.
Just for giggles, here's an example from my local facebook group:
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dchill
(41,908 posts)Education is a hoax.
Old Crank
(5,485 posts)Mass ignorance or willfully ignorant.
Mike Nelson
(10,536 posts)... that's good news. Education is their enemy. Look for the attack on public education to grow stronger under the next administration.
Native
(7,009 posts)they could get their hands on. It was like their world had finally been opened up to them. That natural curiosity they had at that age was directed toward books. I can't fathom going through life without books.
hlthe2b
(109,062 posts)grammar and absolutely cannot write. I have become very very selective in those interns and students I will agree to take on in their master's degree theses. Admittedly, I am susceptible to becoming a bit obsessive, so editing the errors becomes an immense endeavor--and that is before I even assess the content. I send it back and get another version that is scarcely any less error-ridden than the first. I sit down with them and offer some suggestions, loan them a copy of my old Strunk and White (Elements of Style--the epitome of grammatical and writing references), suggest they subscribe to an online combined spelling and grammatical corrector and then try to get past that to review what they are actually trying to say.
Social media and texting, combined with lackluster teaching (or at least "learning" ) in elementary and junior high that is never corrected in high school, result in them being passed on repeatedly. I assume they graduated college to enter these master's degree programs without anyone ever reading anything they have written.
So, the dumbing down of society from first grade through college and beyond continues. But, of course, MAGA will correct all that. sigh...
madaboutharry
(41,832 posts)Examples of books written at this level are The Secret Garden, Island of The Blue Dolphins, The Call of the Wild, and Holes.
These are books many of us, I have no doubt, remember reading as a child.
It is very sobering that 54% of adults read at this level.
A few years ago, there was a report that 100% of the books purchased in the United States are purchased by 18% of the public. It would be interesting to know if that statistic correlates with books checked out of public libraries.
https://k-12readinglist.com/reading-lists-for-elementary-school-children/reading-list-6th-grade-children-age-11-12/
GreenWave
(11,013 posts)This is bad...
tanyev
(46,034 posts)which is another reason they adore him.
Norbert
(6,973 posts)then they draw their own conclusions.
La Coliniere
(1,359 posts)of critical thinking skills…one needs to comprehend inferences, and the difference between facts and fiction to make rational decisions.
MerrilyMerrily
(204 posts)Critical thinking is a skill evident in even very young children, and it is more likely to become very well-developed if encouraged. Of course, many bright kids do not back down and accept the "Why? Because I say so!" parenting technique for long.
Your vocabulary level will help you understand what you are reading on its face. Your ability to think critically will determine how well you evaluate the material in terms of making sense, encouraging or discouraging human values, etc.
Critical thinking helps you recognize when the writer is trying to manipulate you into guilt or fear or anger, or is simply making assertions that require verification. A 12th grade vocabulary level can't really help you with that.
Case in point: the number of college students who think Ayn Rand is brilliant and then realize she's a hack and a phony a few years later.
I just looked up the vocabulary list for a sixth-grade level. It is much more extensive than man woman person camera tv! Trump's stupidity is special, let's not pretend that people reading at a sixth grade level must be his voters and it's a wonder people at that reading level can put their shoes on the correct feet.
Clouds Passing
(4,312 posts)MineralMan
(148,839 posts)Thus has it always been, I believe.
Emile
(33,981 posts)The Madcap
(1,089 posts)That teaching kids capital letters first is backwards. The vast majority of letters in written English are lower case. Mastering them along with their sounds would open up reading faster, it seems to me.
Admittedly, I don't have real data to back this up. It's how I had both my kids reading by age 3, but my data point isn't a large enough sample to know for sure.
republianmushroom
(19,410 posts)Bettie
(18,132 posts)about school.
They aren't assigned reading. They get recordings to listen to in class or they all read aloud together, the only kids who get assigned reading are told to read on their own as a punishment for bad behavior.
That "punishment" would have been the best day ever for me.
He reads, not nearly as much as I do, but he does read.
So, I guess I believe it.
We're a nation of illiterates. No wonder they love the orange asshole.