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intrepidity

(7,878 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 11:35 AM Sunday

So, in hindsight, should the filibuster have been blown up

to legislate the disqualified status of an insurrectionist candidate?

Was there a moment since 1/6/20 when we could've done this?

Asking for any future time-travelers who need this info.

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So, in hindsight, should the filibuster have been blown up (Original Post) intrepidity Sunday OP
The votes never existed to "blow up" the filibuster for any hypothetical reason you can think up. tritsofme Sunday #1
Yes Nigrum Cattus Sunday #2
They will take apart the filibuster as needed. Voltaire2 Sunday #4
Yes onecaliberal Sunday #3
Yes. kairos12 Sunday #5
Yes Kid Berwyn Sunday #6
Not super easy to get rid of the filibuster, and I don't think they'll have the votes or coordination needed. LauraInLA Sunday #7
The thing is, Democrats Bettie Sunday #8
Yup, we might need a lot less worry about defense if we had stayed on offense. TheKentuckian Sunday #9

kairos12

(13,242 posts)
5. Yes.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:11 PM
Sunday

Because the RETUGS will this term to get their crazy agenda passed. Like a National Abortion Ban. Count on it.

LauraInLA

(1,302 posts)
7. Not super easy to get rid of the filibuster, and I don't think they'll have the votes or coordination needed.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:56 PM
Sunday

The most straightforward way to eliminate the filibuster would be to formally change the text of Senate Rule 22, the cloture rule that requires 60 votes to end debate on legislation. Here’s the catch: Ending debate on a resolution to change the Senate’s standing rules requires the support of two-thirds of the members present and voting. Absent a large, bipartisan Senate majority that favors curtailing the right to debate, a formal change in Rule 22 is extremely unlikely.

A more complicated, but more likely, way to ban the filibuster would be to create a new Senate precedent. The chamber’s precedents exist alongside its formal rules to provide additional insight into how and when its rules have been applied in particular ways. Importantly, this approach to curtailing the filibuster—colloquially known as the “nuclear option” and more formally as “reform by ruling”—can, in certain circumstances, be employed with support from only a simple majority of senators.

The nuclear option leverages the fact that a new precedent can be created by a senator raising a point of order, or claiming that a Senate rule is being violated. If the presiding officer (typically a member of the Senate) agrees, that ruling establishes a new precedent. If the presiding officer disagrees, another senator can appeal the ruling of the chair. If a majority of the Senate votes to reverse the decision of the chair, then the opposite of the chair’s ruling becomes the new precedent.

Bettie

(16,985 posts)
8. The thing is, Democrats
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 12:59 PM
Sunday

almost never used the filibuster. it's a republican thing.

Democrats don't really fight. Leadership just says "well, ok if that's the way it has to be...." and Republicans do their worst.

They don't need to nuke it, our side never uses it.

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