The war on trans people is making me sad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

The Republicans lost their war against teh gays so now they're warring against teh trans. So much is about trans women in sports. I would like to think there are workarounds and tests that prevent anyone from having an unfair advantage.

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1. Athletic competition is rife with unfair advantages. And transwomen take testosterone *blockers*

I played basketball and volleyball with guys who were a foot taller than me. Is that fair? Not at all!

If they divided sports divisions by weight or height or something actually relevant to the sport, that's one thing. A football division for anyone under 150lbs makes sense, and then anyone over that limit competing in the under division would be competing unfairly. Fine.

But doing it based on gender or sex more of a social division. As a guy, I would have been clobbered had I played in any women's sport in college, because they were all bigger and stronger than scrawny little me. *no one* would say I was competing unfairly, they would be laughing at me instead.

They not interested in "fairness". They only interested in being cruel to trans people. Erasing them if possible.

[Zeitghost]

3. So no women's sports leagues/teams

All genders compete equally on the same teams?

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10. I didn't say that.

All I'm saying is that "fairness" has next to nothing to do with it.

[dchill]

2. I bet trans people wouldn't be welcome in their churches, either.

[LostOne4Ever]

4. I whole heartedly believe that the answer to this

Is to say we support fairness AND INCLUSION for ALL!!! Especially for ALL women!

There is NO definitive evidence trans people (more specifically trans women) have any advantage at all and some that show they might actually be disadvantaged:

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/58/11/586

But after pointing this out we could say that if there was one PROVEN then there is still a better solution than a ban.

We have things such as accommodation/handicaps in other areas why can’t we argue that if an advantage (or disadvantage) is PROVEN then we can still include trans people by adjusting the event BASED ON PROVEN EVIDENCE.

If it were proven that let’s say trans person runs 10% faster then we simply multiply their time by 0.909. If they run 10% slower then we multiply their time by 1.11. We could even adjust it by length of time on hormones. After all if it is about fairness then trans people should get what is fair to them considered as well.

As for sports where your can’t adjust times or lengths other changes could be made such as weight clothes or specialty gloves/equipment. The accommodation can be adjusted based on how trans people as a whole are represented in these sports and adjusted every year accordingly. Of course trans people are underrepresented currently!

We could then point out that these Republicans don’t care about fairness at all as they never once consider what is fair for the trans person.

This is why they are now pushing for bans in Darts and chess where the idea of an advantage is laughable. Further, It HAS been proven that trans women lose strength and muscle mass over time on HRT. The question is how long does it take to reach Cis Women levels. Forcing these women to compete against men put them not only at a disadvantage but subjects them to high levels of sexual harassment and abuse. Forcing them to compete in trans leagues would be ridiculous as they are often the only trans person competing.

Shouldn’t the issue of fairness also include what is fair to the trans person?

I think this would show that the Republican only care anbout exclusion and being able to unfairly discriminate against a group they hate.

[Docreed2003]

5. Never mind the fact that the right has never given a rats ass about women's sports before this

[Bettie]

6. It's funny that they are so worried about trans women

but they don't care at all about trans men.

We have a couple of boys in our high school who I knew as girls in elementary school. No one thinks twice about them, no one cares that they want to be called he or they.

But every ad this time around was all about "Biological boys playing on girls' teams! OH NOES!"

[BannonsLiver]

7. I'm annoyed that ad was as effective as it appears.

There have been exactly 2 reassignment surgeries for prisoners.

[TheKentuckian]

8. It is gross. It iis one of the most punching down efforts ever.

It is also the small bore societal issue of all time.

I'd out the over/under at like 1.5 for trans people these bullying fuckwits have ever come across in real life and on average I bet that is high but accounts for some city and suburban dwellers though so many are rural and small state and are probably at ZERO.

There is no trans issue. It is statistically null pretty much by definition.

[JI7]

9. The straight men acting like they are protecting women

meanwhile every day there are multiple stories of straight men committing violence against women.

[4catsmom]

11. their focus on gays

made gay people more visible and more accepted. Maybe this focus on trans people will do the same for them.

[Clouds Passing]

12. I wonder if Cate Jener (R) competes in women's sports?

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[angrychair]

14. It's a media driven narrative

That is a tempest in a teapot. We need to reframe these talking points.
I completely understand that the reflex is to attack it as bigotry but that tactic is clearly not working.

The better approach, in my opinion, is to force them defend their position of it being a problem and then redirect.
"trans athletes. There are literally a couple million athletes in high school, select, semi-pro and pro sports in the US. I think there are like 40 or so trans male and female athletes. Interestingly enough the majority of trans athletes are trans males. In total tt's a small fraction of one percent.
You are, very literally, spending hundreds of millions of dollars to argue for the existence of bigfoot. Why aren't you spending as much time, effort and money on performance enhancing drugs? That is much more of a real problem than this but not a single politician is spending a penny on that issue or a single second on it for a campaign speech"
That's literally off the top of my head but you have to put this back on the to prove how this is an issue needing this level of attention and money over other issues.