Don't you just feel like yelling... "for the love of Mike.. quit the blame game over the election loss"

[Peacetrain]

Honestly.. there are a few people and talking heads I have the urge to hit with a wooden spoon..

The President stepped down after being hounded about his poor debate performance..

The VP stepped forward.. but with only 4 months to pull together a national campaign..

There was no time for another set of primaries.. Both the President and Trump had years to get their campaigns together.. trying to re set another group of primaries would have eaten up even more of the small amount of time the new candidate had. the primary season had passed.

Take a breath.. it is what it is..

The one thing we could do as Democrats to promote ourselves
better is to keep talking about our successes .. and not get bored of repeating them after the second or third time..

Think of it this way... Young people voted in their first election this time who were only 10 when Trump first ran... They really have no practical memories of the successes of Obama..

[BannonsLiver]

1. I think it's important to study this campaign for future elections

But at some point the recriminations prevent the party from moving forward.

[Peacetrain]

2. Could not agree more..

[qazplm135]

11. Sure but it's not even been a week yet

I think we have some time yet to figure out what went very wrong.

[BannonsLiver]

13. I don't disagree

As long as it doesn’t linger for months, years etc.

[ForgedCrank]

14. I have

to agree. but I think this should be left to the actual experts, not the jackasses in the media and every so-called analyst they drag on. Almost all of the are completely full of it and are just making waves to get their name on TV.
Individual opinions are one thing because after all, that's a large part of discussing politics. But when those hacks are on TV talking about it, too many people start taking things as fact, and more often than not, it's just outright BS.

[Karasu]

27. I would agree, but...

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...along with a great many political consultants (including Mac Stipanovich, of all people), I'm deeply skeptical of the notion that there are even going to be future elections. At least not in the sense that we've been familiar with.

Russia-style dog and pony shows, maybe.

[BannonsLiver]

32. Yes, a lot of people seem to feel that way.

[dchill]

33. "...future elections..."

Ha ha. Wouldn't count on that.

[BannonsLiver]

35. You do you.

We’re all going to have to work through it on our own.

[dchill]

36. I'd never recommend that.

[GoCubsGo]

3. Yes, although

that's a lot nicer than the way I want to put it.

[Peacetrain]

4. I hear you

I did some editing before I posted..

[TwilightZone]

5. Agenda moving forward should be issues, issues, issues.

Issues, accomplishments, and historical comparisons, i.e. 50 of the last 51 million jobs were created under Democratic presidents.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/democrats-created-50m-jobs/

Ignore Trump as much as possible. Attacking him accomplishes nothing. Never did.

Next, compare and contrast why Biden was able to build a bigger coalition in 2020 than Harris in 2024. Yes, part of it was timing and lack of time, but it's deeper than that, and we need to evaulate why and figure out how to fix it.

[Peacetrain]

6. This!!!

[Autumn]

8. Harris had great issues. They didn't mean shit to over half of the country.

She and Biden had some incredible accomplishments

[iemanja]

10. Don't ignore Trump. They need to hold him accountable.

They need to show the voters that Trump betrayed them by delivering everything to the rich and corporations.

[Autumn]

7. Nope. I enjoy hearing the different opinions as to what went wrong.

Sometimes you read or hear a gem that make a some sense of what happened. . Like this one......

Think of it this way... Young people voted in their first election this time who were only 10 when Trump first ran... They really have no practical memories of the successes of Obama..

That one is just as valid as some of the others I have seen.

[Peacetrain]

9. I just got off the phone after an hour long conversation on why young voters went to Trump

and we tend to forget.. these young first time voters were still in third or fourth grade when Obama left office..

[Cirsium]

12. Of course

It is absolutely essential, more than ever.

[Schlocko]

15. I'm Proud Of Her

She was thrown into an impossible situation and damn near pulled it out. She beat Hillary and Obama’s popular vote totals. What went wrong is that Joe Biden stayed in too long. I admire the man, but that was a blunder.

[Martin Eden]

38. "Joe Biden stayed too long"

Among the reasons we lost that were within the control of Democrats, the BIGGEST was Joe Biden running for a 2nd term at the end of which he would be 86 years old.

Joe Biden deserves our thanks for his decades of public service, saving our democracy in 2020, and the accomplishments of his administration. But he should NOT have run again.

Kamala Harris also deserves our thanks for stepping up the way she did. I wasn't impressed with her as a candidate in 2020, but I grew to respect and admire her during the campaign that just ended. I think she could have done a better job extolling the success of the Biden economy, but overall she was brilliant.

But Kamala was not popular at all nationally, and she was not selected by Democratic voters as our nominee. I think we would have had a much greater chance in this election if there was an open primary with the next generation of Democratic leaders contending for the nomination, from which an election tested candidate with broader appeal would emerge.

We could not control post pandemic global inflation, or Russia invading Ukraine, or the war in Gaza, or the influence of rightwing propaganda thru talk radio, Fox News, OAN, Sinclair, X, TikTok, Russian Bots, etc.

But we could have had an open primary which may have produced a different result in the general election. Despite the wonderful Harris campaign, we know how that turned out.

And one More thing:

Merrick Garland should have had The Fascist Grifter's ass in prison before the primaries even started.

[ancianita]

16. EXACTLY. You nailed it with this:

The one thing we could do as Democrats to promote ourselves
better is to keep talking about our successes .. and not get bored of repeating them after the second or third time..

Ayan, RIGHT NOW, AND MSNBC PRODUCERS, are running the chiron:
"Dems Face Leadership Crisis After Trump Win". And they emphasize Pelosi criticism and more FUD.

Fuck MSNBC producers -- they're doing the usual corporate playbook.

WE HAVE MESSAGING. The corporate media refuse to run it.

[stillcool]

17. it's like a soap-opera

in content and acting ability. Some stories!

[Evolve Dammit]

18. I would like to know why ten million who voted in 2020 stayed home.

[littlemissmartypants]

20. Me too, Evolve Dammit.

VP Harris needed to do better and than Biden and Trump to win but the unaffiliated who we needed didn't vote for her and all the other Democrats we needed who voted for Biden stayed home.

As hard as we worked, as extensive as our ground game was, as much money as we donated and spent...it still wasn't enough to bring out our fellow Democrats who voted for President Biden and have them vote for Kamala. Our own peeps left us high and dry.

The numbers in question:
2020 JB 81,283,501
2024 KH 70,858,691
Difference: 10,424,810

I definitely want to know why!!



❤️

[Evolve Dammit]

41. I'm at a loss. Especially when the stakes were so obviously high (democracy, rule of law, etc.). Makes no sense.

[Prairie Gates]

19. It's been less than a week

[Xavier Breath]

29. Yeah, it will take time for people to process this.

And in that time there will be tears, accusations and finger-pointing. People just need to be able to vent, not be chastised for doing so. We'll get there.

[Beck23]

21. We need to copy their media network strategy

Let's just Iearn something and quit with the circular firing squad.

[NNadir]

22. Yeah, I do. There's no point. The blame lies with all Americans, who have decided to commit national suicide.

[whathehell]

39. I'm sorry, but I don't think the blame

lies with all Americans, I think it lies with those who voted for Trump, especially because HUGE numbers voted for Harris..The popular vote was won by a very small margin, some estimates putting it at only a little more than 1 percent.

[PortTack]

23. GAWD YES! Stop

[BumRushDaShow]

24. "Young people voted in their first election this time who were only 10 when Trump first ran..."

My youngest niece is in that category AND she was only 2 years old when Obama won and I remember bugging her to say "O-BA-MA"!!

[Babajida]

25. Seriously.

Even Sanders, who I really love, I want to stfu.

[Clouds Passing]

26. Hate the blame the Democrats pile-on. It's like accuse the victim. SO OVER IT!!!

[2naSalit]

31. That was part of the mission...

To get us all bickering at each other, keep up the tension.

[Clouds Passing]

34. Exactly! So many "shut up we lost", "we suck" , "we sat this one out"

[FloridaBlues]

28. Correct all the young voters only knew him growing up for a decade

He was the Republican Party to them. They grew to know him.

[whathehell]

30. Yes, very much so..

[JR11]

37. With due respect

Some of us stand to lose a lot more than others in all of this, and the sense that our fellow America's would betray us for the easy way out, is difficult beyond words.

[Emile]

40. I try not to be judgemental.