Am I alone in my waxing weariness of James Carville? ...

[jaxexpat]

The way I see it, his renowned "sage political advice" has devolved into a word salad expostulating a peculiar and probably trademarked, "certainty of vagueness". I've heard the term "political adviser" bandied about in Democratic party circles for decades and how marvelously indispensable and valuable they are. If ever there was a talent requiring constant substantiation and proof of value, it is this. The Democratic party and the people at large need and deserve more than a gruel of Cajun leftovers, appreciation for which, at least for my part, has grown thin. Has he no other income source than "political genius" for hire?

Trump walks onto the stage with literally no comprehensible talent or value except audacity. He takes on (and defeats) not only the American political system but rational thinking itself. Unbelievably, we the Democratic base, are again in the painful position of congratulating and well-wishing the fucking freak that beat us. How about, instead, we discover and ALLOW the existence of a political adviser who can divine AND defeat that shit!

Trump won using a tactic of engendering hatred for, pick something, ginning up the disgust of average people for it and demanding/promising, as a policy, to put a stop to "it". How simple is that? It works because the American people are simple. The Democrats respond to that elemental furor with actual policy and even answer questions about it from a truly soulless media. We are being asked to consider that as the reason millions of voters failed to vote Democratic, refusing to even show up at the polls. I feel certain we would have easily won if Kamala had just punched or cussed out, on camera, a talking head just once. Assault could have been a real game changer.

[alarimer]

1. No, Carville needs to go away.

Along with the rest of Clinton and Obama retreads.

What is needed is an entirely different school of thought.

[Ndp5]

15. Clinton is culpable for this

While I don’t think the answer is to demonize “the media,” pundits are not really members of the press and people are justifiably fed up with many of them. Running against the chattering class wouldn’t have hurt Harris.

There needs to be a recognition that Clinton helped pave the way for this with NAFTA and Wall Street deregulation. And so unless their solutions start with a major mea culpa, his people can maybe sit this one out.

That said, Robert Reich has been a voice of reason and he’s a Clinton person, albeit one largely ignored by Beltway insiders.

[alarimer]

23. Biden at least recognized the need for more corporate oversight.

Hence the Lina Khan appointment.

Not sure how we put the globalization toothpaste back in the tube, though.

[Ndp5]

25. It's not all or nothing

I think it’s less about globalization reversal than it is about rewarding companies for creating jobs here and penalizing them for shuttering factories and offshoring work.

It’s also about enforcing regulations and taking steps to reclaim our economy from the top 1%. Such as by actually taxing income from investments higher than income from wages; joining efforts to impose global taxes on multinational corporations so they can’t dodge taxes; and banning insider trading by members of Congress, which has made many of them millionaires who are reluctant to upset their own class.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=19DKX

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/global-tax-agreement/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/members-congress-outperformed-p-500-182024981.html

[Alice B.]

2. Nope

I turned the corner, saw him on TV and immediately thought, “stfu, Carville.”

[DoBW]

3. I don't think so but ...

t's about technique ... knowing how to wax on, wax off
wax on, wax off

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Someone refresh my memory.

Was there a Dem pundit who warned us about a Trump re-election?

It wasn't James Carville.
It wasn't George Conway.
It wasn't Steve Schmidt.
It wasn't Michael Moore.
It wasn't Glenn Kirschner.

Did Thom Hartmann warn us?

Everyone was so upbeat before the Election, Blue Wave, etc.

[Picaro]

5. No

He’s outworn my welcome.

As a frequent contributor I got a lot of hysterical texts from him and replied “Stop” to many of them.

Wish he’d stop now.

[DinahMoeHum]

6. If he's so fucking smart. . .

. . .let HIM run the next democratic campaign. Put up or shut up.

[delisen]

7. This is now just vanity / hobby for Carville

The question is how do we get him replaced with someone worth our viewing / listening time.

[Prairie Gates]

8. Carville is really a "What have you done for me lately" kinda dipshit

He wins one election in 1992 (congrats on beating an unpopular incumbent during a recession, James!), and maybe has some hand in getting a popular incumbent reelected in 1996. That's it. That's his whole resume. He's been milking this shit as if he is some expert for damn near 30 years. Given his track record since the turn of the fucking century, he might be better understood as a know-nothing clown who is moderately capable at self-promotion.

[lamp_shade]

9. Nope.

[LymphocyteLover]

10. No. I've ignored him for a while now. He is annoying as fuck. He needs to go away.

[Happy Hoosier]

11. He's an irrelevant crank. NT

[MiHale]

12. No!

[allegorical oracle]

13. Am there too. Arrived weeks ago when he popped up on Melber's show. He

seemed to swerve around with opinions, seemingly to cover all possibilities without committing to any. Weeks later, he declared "Harris will win."

Watching and reading today's election autopsies, it appears we have arrived at the self-flagellation stage of grief. Morning Joe, reciting a Maureen Dowd column, blames it on being "too woke." We pushed correctness, used celebrities, blamed djt too much. We over-insulted and never connected with djt's base (as if we ever did for the past nine years).

Memories are short. From day one of the Harris campaign, polls stayed locked on 48-to-48 numbers so Harris had a great chance to win. Polls proved untrustworthy.

[Paladin]

14. I cannot fucking STAND Carville.

All that time he spent, assuring us that Kamala was going to whip trump's ass---only to switch over to the Democrats Lost Because Kamala Did This side.

[Gore1FL]

16. Carville brought useful things to the table in 1992.

The politics played within the Democratic party thereafter has been a detriment.

[badhair77]

17. We could fill a bus with the "experts" I'm tired of.

[Faux pas]

18. Nope!

His time came and went with Clinton IMHO.

[GoCubsGo]

19. Nope. nt

[delisen]

20. . How do we get MSNBC or CNN to Change

Surely they want to attract new and younger viewers as well as keep the ones they have now

No offense to Carville or Axelrod or any of the others but we cannot just sit passively being fed the same old stuff. We all just have 24 hours in each day.

Any suggestions?

[Meowmee]

34. Stop watching them

And all msm who are once again promoting normalization of a fascist they helped rise to power. You can get your news online easily. The only thing most of these people care about is the money they make and their ratings, etc. there is pretty much no Integrity anymore.

[lovesfruit]

21. Nope

Listened to him on a recent Bulwark episode, and he is annoying and doesn’t always make much sense. He suggested Harris lost the race due to her appearance on The View. Absolutely ridiculous. I doubt most people are even aware of the question she blanked out on. Most people aren’t invested as closely as those who post here.

She ran a great campaign on a severely condensed timeline while serving as VP of an unpopular administration during a time when 70% of the population was unhappy with the direction the country was headed after being hit hard by inflation in the prior four years.

Excuse my run-on sentence, but those are the realities. She had a tough hill to climb. I was thrilled with her as a candidate, and her thorough debate smack down of DT will always rank as a political highlight in my life.

[gulliver]

22. Carville's fine.

Would we have won the presidency if we had an open primary instead of Joe endorsing Kamala and our party riding the resulting tidal wave of "jumping on board?" We'll never know. I doubt an open primary would have worked and think Joe did the right thing.

Are the Dems screwing the pooch when it comes to what Carville calls "identitarianism" (as a way of giving space to the two-meaning word "woke" )? Yes, we most definitely are. Carville is 100% right about that.

We had a hurricane of inflation and immigration. Those were the main reasons we lost. Our plan was better. But people don't think as much about plans as about how things are now and in the recent past. We needed professional grade credibility to get them on board with a future.

Harris and Walz did a great job of putting front and center items of importance front and center. But it was too late. Sillies clinging to our party had led some of us astray and had talked too much without being de-centered by the fair vote of a majority of our party's voices.

[jimfields33]

26. Listening to president Biden today, I think he's clear and focused.

I personally think he should have stayed in the race and win a second term. Vice president Harris would be a shoe in for 2028 because of joes policies from the first term would have ensured a successful second term.

[jaxexpat]

30. All good and thoughtful points except may be this, "...needed professional grade credibility to get them on board.."

What defines credibility to people whose entire inner dialogue is with their stomach and reproductive organs? I still say Kamala could have gained votes if she'd punched some Fow news interviewer, WWE style. That would have encouraged people to watch her on the little TeeVees everybody carries in their pockets all the time. By watching, they'd maybe even learn what she looks like and what her name is. They may even want to know what the "fight" was about. Democrats must learn to get the votes of the "swing-telectuals". Policy speeches won't get them. Actually, no politician has ever gotten much out of them. The media just uses them for ammunition and target practice. Providing the perfect opportunity for a round-house swing or a satisfying sucker punch right in Doocy's mug and don't forget the snarl. Biden muttered in mike range about him, "what a dumb son of a bitch", and it improved his approval rating so much the media quit talking about it. It could have been used for one of Kamala's better campaign ads.

[4th gen blue]

24. Spot on

I would bet the huge majority of Kamala supporters cringed every time his face was on TV. I don't care what he thinks. He's not helping.

[milestogo]

27. I'm done with him.

[-misanthroptimist]

28. You are not alone

There are millions of us.

[Duncan Grant]

29. I always wonder if he has a full tumbler of Johnny Walker just out of camera range.

He must have an incredible network of establishment friends — not unlike Andrea Mitchell.

[Xavier Breath]

31. No, you're certainly not.

I stopped listening to him a few years back after his asinine diatribe about woke culture. No wonder Maher loves him so much.

[valleyrogue]

32. Short answer is no. He said he was retiring after this election. n/t

[La Coliniere]

33. I always question someone

who is married to a person who holds strong political opinions that are diametrically opposed to there own. That is a situation I could never live with and kind of makes me suspicious of how sincere he is about anything he says. His southern homespun utterances are not relevant as far as I’m concerned.

[RJ_MacReady]

35. Carville needs to step aside

Also no more Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary. They just don't have to draw they once did and bring in no new voters. I like al respect all three but it is time for the old guard to completely hand off to the next generation.