It's nearly a week since the voting, and given that I follow DU closely, just yesterday, I found out Musk and Starlnk..

[usaf-vet]

......were involved in ONLY (?) the swing states uploading voting data to tabulators, which caught my attention and gave me pause to remember this past occurrence. 2012 Obama vs Romney

I am retired from IT (10 years retired, so very, very outdated regarding technology ).

I'm going to venture a guess between the uplink of the data in one location to the ultimate downlink to who's doing tabulation and ultimately reporting the data to us, the public; the DATA could have been manipulated to benefit Trump. If the data was not traveling from one place to another via NORMAL (secured) links with the ability to trace the "transactions" that occurred during its time in transmission out of the secured election system network nationwide. IT COULD HAVE BEEN manipulated before it was returned.

I'm dating myself now, so bear with me. I'm not sure which election it was, but the good guys on our side (mostly very experienced hackers) traced the links the GOP had set up to move election tallies to a remote tabulation computer, where the data could have been massaged and returned it with the results in their favor.

So, let me back up a little. The "hackers" watched the movement back and forth of the TEST data for (days, weeks, months) I don't know, BUT they knew precisely what route it took going out and returning. So they hacked the last link in the return trip and altered the firewall so the data could not pass through it.

I REMEMBER WHAT ELECTION IT WAS IN 2012. Obama vs Romney

On election night, Fox announced the results state by state, and the race was close. But at one point, Karl Rove was waiting for Ohio's final numbers to decide who would win. The election desk called it for Obama, and Karl Rove was furious and tried to stop it, but he couldn't get the final tallies.

At the time, those watching had heard the rumor that the hackers had stopped the massaged data from returning. Of course, we could never prove it, and the GOP could not say, "Wait, if our massaged data had gotten back, we would have won."

So now back to Skylink Musk / Trump and stealing an election. They could have manipulated the results without oversight by bypassing the national election network and using Musk's Skylink communications.

Anyone who can manage this could write software to steal votes:

THESE QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED.

While others legitimately ask about the difference between the 2020 votes and the 2024 votes for the Democrats.
Maybe STARLINK and Musk had a hand in the numbers.

REMEMBER TRUMP SAID WE DON'T NEED YOUR VOTES! Was the high-tech clandestine fix in via Musk's Starlink "back channel"?

[Dennis Donovan]

1. I thought the tabulators were also not hooked to the internet?

Same for the actual voting machines?

[SheltieLover]

3. Perhaps not, but

if the vote totals are preset or something like that, it would account for the apparent discrepancy in the tens of millions of votes missing and the fact that we were told the results of the Presidential election in a few hours, when we'd been cautioned it would take "days to weeks."

JMO.

[OMGWTF]

89. Also, Shitler winning ALL of the swing states doesn't smell right.

Of course they are stealing this election. It's what they fking do! INVESTIGATE!

[LiberalArkie]

6. The backhaul to the the secretary of state was by Starlink I believe.

If a recount of the actual cards in the tabulators was done then it might be interesting.

But I know that Democrats so totally believe in the machines, that I do not think anything will be done.

Because to believe that what the Republicans tried to project that the Democrats were doing, year after year would make a person a "conspiracy theorist" wouldn't it?

Just because they tested different methods, year after year after year

[Linda ladeewolf]

91. I agree

We are being nice again and respecting the process. I emailed the White House and asked for an investigation, my email means nothing, but if everyone did it, numbers matter to both parties. It is my hope that if everyone were to do it, perhaps they’d listen.

[Beck23]

34. Not in Virginia

In Virginia the results are phoned in to the central location. That's why the results matched the polls, - Perfectly

[dchill]

46. And who won Virginia? Mm Hmm. That's right.

[SomedayKindaLove]

66. And not only that

Virginia closed blue late. All the swing states? A little back and forth at the beginning, but they all closed solidly red. It might just depend when states count early votes, but every swing state picked up red steam moving forward, even when the urban areas still had lots of votes left. Maybe that’s how “landslides” work. Or maybe something fishy happened.

[AkFemDem]

101. This is true, but Harris underperformed Biden by 5 pts

If that 5 pt spread is duplicated in many other swing states (where Biden didn't win by +10), it means a loss for her.

[lostnfound]

94. Tabulators in some counties like Duval do connect to the internet once the polls are closed.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/verify/duval-county-ballot-tabulators-only-connect-the-internet-after-polls-are-closed/77-d40816fb-0340-423a-85d4-a6ebb17ca50d

It doesn't transmit anything until the end of the night when we close it out," Holland said. "And also when we start the tabulator, we have to run a zero tape, which means there's no votes on it. And then at the end of the night, we'll print the results and actually post those there at the precinct."
ES&S tells First Coast News in an email that modems, which provide internet connection, are not on tabulators by default and are only installed in tabulators in states that allow them, such as Florida.
This is the case for the new tabulators that will be used in Duval County. Holland says the tabulators are a newer, upgraded version of the tabulators currently used, but work faster.

[Dennis Donovan]

95. Do they actually run the data to tape?

Or is that how they describe their removable media in general? Tape is an old medium.

[FSogol]

2. Link? I keep seeing this compsiracy theroy, but there is never a link.

Voting machines are air gapped to avoid intrusion. Why would Starlink be used for anything?

[tintinvotes]

12. This article says they used Starlink

https://abc30.com/post/tulare-county-sees-larger-voter-turnout-during-2024-presidential-election/15519472

[uponit7771]

23. WHAT THE MUTHA FUCK ?! NO... hell naw !! NEVER would GQP allow dems billionair donor to be involved in any part

... of the voting process.

This is further looking sketchy

[Dennis Donovan]

37. Baldwin says access to connectivity was improved this year thanks to Starlink satellite internet.

from the article

[dchill]

47. Many, MANY thanks to Starlink satellite internet, I'm sure.

Media self-own.

[orangecrush]

65. JHMC

"Baldwin says access to connectivity was improved this year thanks to Starlink satellite internet.

She adds early technical difficulties with a tabulator machine were quickly fixed and did not impact vote-count."

[Zeitghost]

69. Thats not for counting votes

That's for looking up voter information for provisional ballots and onsite registration to ensure everyone can vote at any precinct. It's a completely separate system.

[tintinvotes]

70. Link

Can you post a link from a credible source that proves what you say is true?

[Zeitghost]

73. California law forbids it

No voting machines are allowed to be connected to any form of wireless or wired network or internet connection.


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=ELEC&sectionNum=19205

[tintinvotes]

78. Maga

Maga breaks the law.

[hootman]

74. And this article says it wasnt.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/nov/12/threads-posts/no-elon-musks-starlink-wasnt-used-to-rig-the-2024/

[tintinvotes]

90. Investigate

And the American people deserve an investigation to get to the bottom of all this, because it's really hard to believe the guy who cheated on all 3 wives, cheats at golf, cheated in the last election and told us he doesn't need votes, because he already has enough. Not to mention the billionaire who owns satellites, biggest social media platform in the world that hacking voting machines is as simple as changing one line of code and whom according to Joe Rogan had an app that let him know the results of election 4 hours ahead of everyone else.

[hootman]

97. You're bringing up the same nonsense the Qanon people did 4yrs ago

And saying "according to Joe Rogan" doesnt help the argument. Voting machines aren't connected to the internet.
As of TODAY there is no evidence that any votes were changed by anything or anyone
If that changes, then sure; investigate. But just doing it because "we didnt see this coming" isnt good enough

[tintinvotes]

99. Trust, but don't verify

None of what I wrote was brought up by Qanon. Trump is going to destroy our country, it's not hyperbole it's a fact. There are people all over the internet with screenshots that say their votes didn't count, weird split tickets, bomb threats from Russia. Yet, you think we should just roll over and hand the country over to Trump and Putin? We can't even question the insane outcome and discrepancies? I honestly think the over 100 bomb threats at Democratic strongholds on election day makes this election fradulent and tampered with.

[hootman]

100. Split ticket voting BEAT trump in 2020.

You can always dispute a ballot you think wasnt counted. And I've only seen anecdotal evidence of that
In GA, precincts were kept open later & some not even made to close because the Feds told them they were from russia. Even so, what are you going to DO? You cant re-run an election due to 100 bomb threats out of thousands of precincts. Someone needs to show either missing ballots or changed ballots. Make a legal challenge; its their right. Go ahead. But I need PROOF before I start yelling "Stop the Steal!!"

[tintinvotes]

104. Proof

The only way you get proof is by investigating. The media made sure Trump was elected. I have no doubt an investigation would uncover a lot of hidden agendas and bribes. Tucker Carlson works for Russia according to Justin Trudeau 🙄

[hootman]

105. Yes a LOT of these idiots work for Russia. We have the receipts.

Still doesnt show any false voting. If every state said "record turnout!!" then yes, we have a problem. But how many states have said that? GA is the only one I know of. And that was a close race 4 yrs ago; why wouldnt it be close this time?
As of yesterday, Harris has 6 million MORE votes than she did a week ago. Because the counting STILL isnt over; mostly in CA. Trumps numbers are about the same as '20.
If we start claiming it was stolen without evidence then it just gives more credence to the Cult saying 2020 was stolen. Talking heads paid by russia isnt proof of voter fraud. Already we've had the totally FALSE "Starling handled votes" story peddled HERE.

[tintinvotes]

106. Giving up shouldn't be an option

Starlink was used, and shouldn't have been under any circumstances. This is a man who said anything can be hacked and changing votes would be as easy as changing one line of code. He held an illegal lottery to bribe people. He said he was going to jail if Trump didn't win. He also told Rogan he developed an app that told him results 4 hours ahead of everyone else. Only that could be true is if Starlink was used in election offices (but not to count votes as you've assured me, without any evidence ofcourse). There's enough evidence of wrongdoing to do an investigation.

[tintinvotes]

108. Fraud

Btw, if people were paid to defraud the public to get a felon elected there wasn't a free and fair election.

[Autumn]

26. It's a conversation that some IT people are having. A discussion. I looked up

air gap but all I found was this.

https://www.votesleuth.org/the-myth-of-the-voting-machine-air-gap-a-case-study/

and this
https://cyberscoop.com/election-hacking-voting-machines-alex-halderman/

[dchill]

51. Mucho, mucho air between the ground and the Starlink satellite...

... so no harm, no foul, I reckon. (ICINI.)

[John1956PA]

4. I thought the famous Karl Rove - Megyn Kelly . . .

. . . exchange on Faux was in 2008.

Yes, I think Rove believed that the Rethugs had successfully altered the vote to put Ohio in their column. I believe that he was astonished to find that the outcome did not go as planned.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

7. Rove was astonished in 2012 about Ohio

[John1956PA]

10. Thank you for correcting me. I was mistaken about the year. n/t

[NameAlreadyTaken]

63. No problem... I remember when that happened

It was pretty fun to see Rove's face and the thought process that must have been going through him.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

5. Trump stole it, fair and square.

[tintinvotes]

8. Starlink was used

https://abc30.com/post/tulare-county-sees-larger-voter-turnout-during-2024-presidential-election/15519472/
According to this Starlink was used, which means it was connected to the internet. What if they called in bomb threats so Starlink could change votes while the offices were evacuated. Then yesterday when the bomb threats were called into the offices in CA where they are counting votes to determine House control (to make sure they get control) we(USA) being on to them shot down Starlink satellite. Did anyone else hear about satellite going down yesterday about the same time?

[SoCalDavidS]

9. Probably Why OH Looked Suspect In 2004

Tell me again why I should bother voting?

Maybe I won’t bother in 2026 and 2028.

[ancianita]

17. Starlink didn't exist until 2019, so you can rule out OH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink

[gab13by13]

20. Can rule out Star Link

but Magats cheated in 2004 in Ohio, and got caught. They routed votes from Ohio to a warehouse in Tennessee. The programmer who was behind the deal was on his way to Washington to testify when his small plane crashed.

[usaf-vet]

27. Right I was not suggesting Starlink WAS INVOLVED in OHIO. IT WAS NOT. It was two different election 1 old one current.

[ancianita]

30. Okay. So in this context of your OP, Rove's team looked suspect then, yes, but not now.

[usaf-vet]

40. Exactly! Again apologies for the confusion. My wife is away with the "girls" at quilting camp. She's my proof reader....

.....She likely would have found it with a comment like, "Is Karl Rove still around?" which would have prompted a rewrite.

[hootman]

75. According to Politfact this is another conspiracy.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/nov/12/threads-posts/no-elon-musks-starlink-wasnt-used-to-rig-the-2024/

[magicarpet]

11. Again djt loaths rules, proceedures, and laws.

If there is any way he can game the system to come out on top he will not hesitate to do so. It is a badge of honor for him and his MAGA Bros to hoidwink their political opposition. Steal, cheat, finagle, manipulate, bend, contort, fraudulent, and unethical - it is all good for Team trDUMP.

If something does not add up pertaining to the election we are idiots not to investigate and verify the election results to make sure trDUMP, ELOON, and Team trDUMP did not fabricate a win with a ficticious final result.

[ancianita]

13. Thanks. This needed to be said and needs a thoroughinvestigation. As I've said elsewhere, noone should rule out Starlink

and Musk's hand in this vote outcome.

[Silent Type]

14. Until Harris, Biden, etc., call for a recount, I'll sadly believe we lost.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/9/fact-check-did-20-million-democratic-votes-disappear

[oldmanlynn]

38. Why has Harris called for a recount. There is no problem doing that

Im assuming all the ballots are still around.

I can’t believe 10 million Biden voters that knew how serious the problems with trump were would suddenly not support Harris. In particular when you look at all the early data showing Harris leading and dem enthusiasm 10 points higher than trump.

[Linda ladeewolf]

71. Why doesn't someone email them with this

Information? They won’t know or notice until it’s called to their attention. They are busy getting ready for transition. Is there anyone who can contact someone who is in authority?

[Autumn]

15. A current IT technician seems to think like you do.

Big Rec here

[gab13by13]

16. I have a question for the poster,

If they did a recount for the Senate seat in Pa. could it prove your theory?

Say if Casey picked up more votes than were recorded.

[oldmanlynn]

42. If it was just for Casey then probably not

[Hope22]

45. If they have printed receipts or paper ballots yes. If the people read the receipt as it prints out that is.

Some people take it for granted and don’t feel a responsibility to make certain that their vote gets registered properly.

[Meowmee]

59. If it were done by a program, they would have to do a forensic investigation of the software, probably

Not just look at ballots. Also, there were reports of mail in ballots that were never accepted or counted.

[Diamond_Dog]

18. Didn't dumpy say before the election he already had enough votes, or something like that?

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. I've just always wondered what happens to the vote totals

Once the voting is over and the counting is over and is there a point in time where they are transmitted somehow that is in any way connected to anything that is hackable.

[Eliot Rosewater]

41. Looks like my question has been answered the answer is yes Starlink

[joanbarnes]

21. Yes after the 2004 Ohio theft for Bush V. Kerry Carl Rove pretty much showed his hand in 2012

[-misanthroptimist]

22. Now...

...if we can just find some evidence.

[Think. Again.]

53. Yes, that's why recounts are done.

[groundloop]

24. But Exit Polls ......

MSNBC was citing real time exit polls that showed Kamala underperforming Biden in many key demographics.

We don't need to be spreading conspiracy theories without evidence.

[usaf-vet]

43. Obviously investigations need to be performed to find reliable evidence. The chick egg or horse wagon which comes first.

..... dilemma.

[Linda ladeewolf]

72. They could have been

Lying. Isn’t that what’s going on everywhere?

[LymphocyteLover]

98. they have every reason to have us chasing our tails over a supposed stolen election while they lock up power

This thread from Seth Abramson explains pretty clearly why the election wasn't stolen


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1855336934001815791.html

[liberalla]

25. I don't have information to share, but want to add a comment. The Musk - Starlink connection is extremely suspicious.

I would love to see the report that his involvement was limited to only the 7 swing states. Does anyone have a link or further info?

No doubt the hacking and data manipulation is possible... to my way of thinking, it's probable. No doubt they have the tech equipment, skills and genius tech wizardry... AND the resources. Look at the motivation and coordination. They had to postpone their plans for four years because Joe Biden won in 2020. They're chomping at the bit. No way were they going to wait another four years.

As I said, this is the way I'm thinking about it. My opinion and my gut feeling.

They couldn't leave it to chance.

I really hope there are people behind the scenes investigating this.

[waterwatcher123]

28. How do you know that Starlink was used to upload data to state tabulators?

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This data hacking effort started right around 2000 when Al Gore lost the State of Florida to G.W. Bush. There were even people coming forward at time who said they developed software to redistribute the vote at the voting machine level. The 2004 election was also centered in Ohio and there were shenanigans going on everywhere. Franklin County, Ohio closed the tabulation center and kicked out all the democratic observers due to a threat. The CEO of Diebold, who was a rabid Bush supporter, promised to deliver the state to Bush in a public speech. The SOS was Ken Blackwell, who also served as Bush's campaign chair in Ohio. Blackwell found a way to disqualify people based on the weight of paper used for ballots. They also allocated voting machines to purposely create long lines in Democratic leaning districts. Then there were the actual voting machines, where the supplier (Diebold) applied a software patch right before the election. They claimed the machines and software were proprietary technology so there was little oversight of the last-minute software patch.

You may recall that the 2004 election in Ohio was so questionable that John Conyers convened a minority party report on the corruption (What Went Wrong in Ohio). There were also Democratic representatives from Ohio who objected to the certification. So, what happened in 2004 was a dress rehearsal for 2012 (I remember when the Ohio SOS website went down on election night and then came back with different numbers - tried to screenshot it live). Karl Rove and company knew about a man-in-the-middle set up in Ohio like you described. But luckily these hackers you mentioned stopped the process.

These folks have been perfecting their craft for years. So, it would not sunrise me in the slightest if they had software that could strip out enough votes to carry an election. They may have stripped them out of places where they were least expected too (red leaning areas). I wonder if it would be possible to see if the precinct data compares favorably to the vote totals reported. If it does, then it may not be an issue. If not, then there is something awry with respect to how the data was managed.

Discussion of 2004 election in Ohio by DNC (https://public.websites.umich.edu/~wmebane/Ohio2004/OhioReportCover2Cover.pdf)

[Think. Again.]

52. It is admitted that starlink was used in this article...

https://abc30.com/post/tulare-county-sees-larger-voter-turnout-during-2024-presidential-election/15519472

[waterwatcher123]

92. This news article is pretty interesting - it mentions Starlink and a significant increase in first time voter turn out.

[cilla4progress]

29. Bookmarking

Thx

[Loupe Garoue]

31. Glad I am not the only suspicious one

I wish we could get the Democrats onboard, because it is costing our county and planet everything that matters.

[BadgerKid]

32. Are encryption keys used

Going up the hierarchy from precincts to state tabulators? If not, they are solely lacking.

[Beck23]

33. Sounds like Ohio in 2004

[SoCalDavidS]

76. And We Rolled Over That Time Too

Does anybody really expect us to investigate further? I don't.

Heck, there are people here practically imploring us to move on.

Explain to me why I should bother to vote again, when there's little guarantee it even matters.

[gab13by13]

80. Didn't exactly roll over

the programmer who shifted the votes from Ohio to Tennessee died in a small plane crash on his way to DC to testify.

[CoopersDad]

35. Easy to believe that this or something like this happened.

K/R

[JustAnotherGen]

36. I'm having a hard time

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Believing the under votes in NC.

I simply don't believe people voted Democratic Governor down but voted for Trump at the top of the ticket.

I feel comfortable with MI results, not NC.

[LauraInLA]

44. I don't know if this is specifically the case in NC, but there were many voters who voted for Trump but

Left down ballot races blank. So if Harris voters went straight ticket Dem but were outnumbered by Trump voters, the local races might still have gone Dem.

[neohippie]

50. living in NC I can believe it

Other than some of the larger metropolitan areas around universities Trump had a lot of support and if it wasn't for the GOP gubernatorial candidate being such a bad choice, they might have done better in the statewide races too

[MichMan]

102. The Repug Governor candidate Robinson was embroiled by scandals

I'm not surprised he lost

[Heck]

39. Summary of evidence and concerns: (sources at bottom)

Trump is a Russian asset working for Putin (see book American Kompromat by journalist Craig Unger or Active Measures documentary with Hillary Clinton(1), sources below). Elon and Trump are working together (2). They both have substantial ties to Epstein (3) (4) (5) (6). Trump stole election software in 2020 (7). Similarly, Elon Musk has been in contact with Russia for the last 2 years (8). This includes during the Ukraine War when Russia began using Starlink (9) while it was claimed they got them third party and not from Musk himself; however now appears imo to show Elon is a doublecrosser.


Starlink, Elon's satellite company, was installed in some voting machines across the country (10) and may have interfered with vote tabulation. Voting machines were found to be connected to the internet (11). An independent report on voting machines concluded that tabulation tampering was possible with current voting machines, so hand counts are vital (12). In September, Politico had an investigation finding Russian malware on a state voter registration database (13). Also, there were malicious fake texts from fake DNC organizations, connected to Elon who donated to them, that were fishing voter info (14).

Elon had results of election on an app 4 hours before official counts had it (15), per Joe Rogan podcast in a discussion to Theo Von. Earlier this year, Tana Monogeau, released info that she'd been offered millions of dollars to endorse the Trump campaign and that she knew others had taken the deal (16).

They will release more info admitting their fraud because they are a Russian asset trying to start a civil war here (speculation). They want us to be confused about sources and who to trust and what's real, they want to release the truth to anger us and lies to anger us. Trump has refused to write an ethics statement for transition of power saying he will transition peacefully (17). JD Vance has also told the EU that unless they allow X unfettered access to the EU (to spread propaganda), they will withdraw the US from NATO (18) - which will prompt wars or takeover either way and weakens Germany, who is entering an election since their government couldn't agree on Ukraine budget. A Russian space chief said Elon Musk’s plan to bomb Mars is a cover to put nuclear weapons in space (19).

Also speculation, are reports of widespread ballot rejection, especially for signatures. There are articles claiming already that it is because GenZ does not know cursive (20) - except the signature simply must match your driver's license. It's not a cursive writing test. Avocado toast but with gen z voting fraud. We do not yet have the ballot rejection rates but typically they are around 1% to 1.5% (21).

Crypto is how right wing conservatism got funded here. It's why it took off- it was basically UBI for those men, funded by foreign intelligence for this purpose along with other uses for crypto like dark money, drugs, trafficking, etc (22)(23). The least informed people we knew were investing in crypto when it was starting, mining bitcoins. They couldn't tell you what a stock or tariff is, yet they were making bank in crypto trading. Crypto trading, especially memecoins, appears to be an obvious scam to most because it's the stock market without ownership. So why were these 4chan pedophiles and nazis doing so well? Because it was just meant to give them money the whole time. And crypto is great for transferring money internationally from shady organizations to shady people (24). Far right catchphrases and meme campaigns dispersed online including X, give out the key words/catchphrases for the new coin that isn't a scam and will disperse money. People who are deep in these groups interner algorithms get these keywords first and normal outsiders will either not notice or will stay away. No normal person wants a coin that references Hitler if they are just scrolling memecoins.

Once the government has been taken over, they can force their memecoin as the national currency and then rug pull, which is also what Musk is likely going to do to Tesla at the same time. The entire point is to bankrupt America for Putin and his cartoon villain cohorts. Musk is already saying he wants to withdraw from US currency due to national debt (Trump added most of the national debt) (25).

If you're in Germany, take note. They are coming for you next, your election is soon.

News Links

(1)

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(2) https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elon-musk-weighing-trump-staffing-decisions-sources/story?id=115730434

(3) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-infiltrate-voting-machines-georgia-2020.html

(4) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html

(5) https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-dated-kimbal-musk-brother-of-tesla-founder-elon-musk-2020-1

(6) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fire-and-fury-the-podcast/id1750757108

(7) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes

(8) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-to-know-about-elon-musks-reported-phone-calls-with-putin-and-why-it-matters

(9) https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-using-thousands-spacex-starlink-terminals-ukraine-wsj-says-2024-02-15/

(10) https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/1gnxqmw/elon_musks_company_starlink_praised_by_tulare/

(11) www.nbcnews.com/news/ncna1112436

(12) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inside-georgias-effort-to-secure-voting-machines-as-experts-raise-concerns

(13) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615

(14) https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/pro-trump-dark-money-network-tied-to-elon-musk-behind-fake-pro-harris-campaign-scheme/

(15) https://grabien.com/story.php?id=499986

(16) https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/tana-mongeau-paid-political-endorsement

(17) https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-planning-ca3a6be50d147b04b6498184e5599b1e

(18) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-elon-musk-x-twitter-donald-trump-b2614525.html

(19) https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/499968-russian-space-chief-elon-musks-plan-to-bomb-mars-is-a-cover-to-put/

(20) https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-voters-struggle-signatures-cast-mail-ballot-problems-2024-11

(21) https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_rejected_ballots

(22) https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/far-right-extremists-raise-millions-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/

(23) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/opinion/crypto-cryptocurrency-money-conspiracy.html

(24) https://apnews.com/article/cryptocurrency-coronavirus-pandemic-technology-business-europe-f7f754fc2c68b0eb0d712239323f26c3

(25) https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/11/10/its-unsustainable-tesla-ceo-elon-musk-issues-us-serious-bankruptcy-warning-amid-huge-bitcoin-and-dogecoin-price-surge/

Personal Testimony from the dickbags themselves:

youtube.com/live/HBPNfAUPz08?si=PZQa_D_wbN9VoA6y

In the first minute:

"Your votes are rigged. We can win New Mexico."

"If you can watch your vote counter, if we can bring God down from heaven (he's referencing Starlink), we can win this, win California, win a lot of states."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/if-trump-loses-im-fcked-elon-musk-in-interview-with-tucker-carlson/articleshow/114024254.cms

“If [Trump] loses, I’m f*cked… How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”

Why does Elon think he would go to prison though? For what crime?

?si=5u_mJNte37r4JmUb

Trump:"Our little secret is having a big impact"

If Trump was so sure the election was rigged and they were going to turnover every state including California, then why hasn't he asked for a recount in all the states with representatives that didn't get elected that he thought would be? Shouldn't he be suing for recounts? He did it last time. Why doesn't he want an investigation this time?

[johnnyfins]

68. Because he won. He doesnt give a shit

about anything but staying out of jail and revenge.

[Clouds Passing]

48. They look on Karl Rove's face on fox when Obama won the Ohio vote

was like he went to hell and came back, the blood emptied out of his face and the horror of the moment.

[Meowmee]

49. And no response or investigations from our current gov

People were saying on X that m is going to do the same thing in Canada to get rid of Trudeau. Whether any of this is true or not, I don’t know.

[Figarosmom]

54. Why on earth was this even allowed?

There needs to be recounts by hand in each swing state. But I bet Harris won't do it. I wonder it the Democratic governors in WI MI and PA Could call for hand counts? Or even scanning w/o relying to any other place by internet link.

[Farmer-Rick]

55. Back in 2020, I was hoping trump

Was going to actually reveal how the elections were rigged. I guess he was too stupid to figure it out.

[Jit423]

56. I was just about to post a question on this. I hesitated because I didn't want to break any rules I am not sure of.

This is what I found on another site. I am asking here because i trust DU members to seek the truth. Here it is. I am asking is this true? And if it is, how could Joe Biden allow this to happen or how could any of the Governors in the swing states allow this to happen?

"Video has been taken down. Starlink was used in voting tabulation in ALL of swing states!!"

[Diraven]

57. There would have to be a lot of people involved

It's not like Musk could have done this by himself. Probably at least hundreds of his employees at Starlink would have to have been involved. Pretty hard to keep that many people covering up a criminal conspiracy.

[Boomerproud]

58. WHAT WENT WROOONGGG! Thats all I've heard in a week.

I got news for 'em. They are not going to find out the answer from Scott "Smirk" Jennings and Frank Luntz.

[malaise]

60. It has to be something like this

The resu,TS make no sense. He could not win every swing state

[Jit423]

61. Weeks before the election he also said these things

Don't need Haley voters, "we have more than enough votes"

He also said something about doing away with security clearances...Before the election was even held

He also said about five days before the election that he didn't believe it would be close. Thought it might be a landslide

And he said he and the Speaker had a secret that if he lost we would find out about it. (Had he lost, were they going to use Starlink to try to demonstrate some kind of cheating that they themselves made up?

His winning with 4 million less votes than 2020 and 17 million voters or Democrats failing to vote in the most important election of our time is surely a reasonable concern.

[Botany]

83. The #s just don't make any sense unless there has been some kind of malfeasance

For the #s I looked @ something like 12 to 13 % of people who voted for
Biden in 2020 had to either not voted in 2024 or voted for someone else
besides Harris. And the motivational factor in voting in both elections was
the same and that was stopping Trump.

[Blue Full Moon]

62. Yep

People also seem to have forgotten about Triad in Ohio. Got caught changing the votes. There was a lawsuit and Bush jr had a gag order applied.

[Cirsium]

64. Oh don't be silly

All of these accusations against the Republicans for dirty dealing and cheating and lying and stealing as though they were some sort of monsters or something! I mean come on. It is not like we have seen any evidence of any of that. Besides, there are guardrails, and institionalists, and safeguards. There are lawyers and courts and stuff. How could they get away with any skullduggery? People would Tweet about it, and it would go viral and the bad guys would be toast, right? MSNBC would do some hard hitting shows and that would expose their dirty tricks and that would be the end of that. Then there is the FBI, DOJ and AG Garland. The Republicans could never get away with engaging in some massive crime spree. There would be serious consequences, just look at what the FBI has done to other groups:

"Since 2010, the FBI has surveilled black activists and Muslim Americans, Palestinian solidarity and peace activists, Abolish ICE protesters, Occupy Wall Street, environmentalists, Cuba and Iran normalization proponents, and protesters at the Republican National Convention. And that is just the surveillance we know of — as the civil liberties group Defending Rights & Dissent documents in a report published today. The report is a detailed catalog of known FBI First Amendment abuses and political surveillance since 2010, when the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General published the last official review of Bush-era abuses. The incidents the report references, many of which were previously covered by The Intercept, were largely exposed through public records requests by journalists, activists, and civil rights advocates. The FBI relentlessly fought those disclosures, and the documents we have were often so heavily redacted they only revealed the existence of initiatives like a 'Race Paper' or an 'Iron Fist' operation, both targeting racial justice activists, while giving away little detail about their content."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z-i_XCoZub8ISKEe5DzjoMh0bPS5u1Xm/view

Surely the FBI and the DOJ would treat right wing terrorists and criminals the same harsh way!

I don't know why people are so suspicious on the Republicans and keep making up all these conspiracy theories. People are claiming all sorts of crazy things, such as saying that Republicans orchestrated a seditious attack on the Capitol! How far-fetched is that? Some conspiracy theorists claim that the Republicans have purged millions of people from the voting rolls. Another theory says that Republicans separated children from their parents at the border. Then there is the crazy theory that the Republicans have been colluding with the Russians to destroy democracy in the US! Another wacky idea is that Trump actually stole classified documents, or that he shared intelligence with other countries, or threatened elections officials, or tried to overturn an election, or committed fraud, or is guilty of sexual assault!

If we make all of these wild accusations, how does that make us look? Won't we then be just as bad as the other side? Aren't we better than this? And whatever happened to bipartisanship? I am sure if we reach out and are willing to compromise they will be reasonable.

[Viz]

67. Stephen Spoonamore is good source ....

for or how this tabulation hacking can be done. He has worked for the US government to uncover these hacks as well as private corporations. https://spoutible.com/thread/37794003

[ConcernedCitizen1776]

84. This is a formal Duty to Warn Letter. - Gov. of Pennsylvania J. Shapiro, et al. - Nov. 7th 2024

https://spoutible.com/thread/37794003

REDACTED REDACTED
@REDACTED

A

11:02 AM - Nov 08, 2024

[[1 / 14]] Interesting. American Voting has been subject to repeated hacks since at least #BushVGore where hanging chads were just a distraction, the hack was in Valusia County. I was a leader in uncovering hacks in 2002 and 2004. When Bush hacked OH away from Kerry. No one cared. I stopped. [[2 / 14]] I continue to work professionally finding hackers, and fairly often DEVELOP AND INSTALL hacks designed to ferret out the misuse of systems. My customers have included numerous governments and F100 firms. I wrote risk assessments of smart grid technologies for Obama, and IP e-protection for GE. [[3 / 14]] Here is what you are seeing. The Tabulation Systems at the County level were hacked far in advance of the election. The hack was probably written into the code even before the code was installed. It will have a WHEN function and IF/THEN functions to have the machine force balance to a... [[4 / 14]] given outcome within a specific window of time. You could test the machines 1000 times before election night, and the result will be correct. If you run it during the time window, the force balancing will be turned on and regardless of inputs you will get a programmed output. [[5 / 14]] It is very simple to prove this. Take the two most outlandish precinct results from any county and just hand-count the ballots. They won't match the tabulation outputs. From what I am seeing, you will find 8-11% avg. shifts from Dem to Rep. Be sure to check heavy Red areas, easier to cover up... [[6 / 14]] a run up of the score. That was how it was done in Ohio vs. Kerry - GOP flips in already highly red areas. Now, why the Bomb-Threats? They were NOT to allow for hacker access. The programming was already in place, they were to break Chain of Custody and produce legal grounds to not trust a [[7 / 14]] recount. Every place that GOT a bomb-threat is a place the courts will now have to consider the factual argument of whether the ballots COULD have been tampered with while the evacuations were going on. They weren't. But that is the argument the GOP will make to prevent recounts. [[8 / 14]] I used to appear on Lou Dobbs TV Show, back when he was at CNN and discuss hacking, including of voting machines. I helped get machines into researchers hands - every single one of them were shocked/horrified how simple hacking the machines was. But somehow, the public has refused to engage. [[9 / 14]] Now that a full blown #fascist takeover is underway, and they did it by hacking the tabulation machines as described, please engage. I will lend any expertise if asked, but be aware these people are sociopaths who will kill you, they have done so to others, so act accordingly. [[10 / 14]] And it was relatively easy. Perhaps 300-500 tabulators of 3 types with 24+ months of prep. You just saw 3000+ comms devices of 4+ types hacked with software and installed explosives. These were set off in waves and specific times to destroy Hamas. Same thing here. [[11 / 14]] My personal record. A team of 4, 11 months total operation time, we hacked 500 Point of Sale Credit Card machines to install added tracking software allowing the units to work correctly while also creating traces to catch CC money laundering which the retailer was in on. Same thing as election 2024 [[12 / 14]] And finally, let me say again, this is a simple, stupid, easy to prove hack. Hand Count most suspected 2 Precincts in each county. They won't match. And FWIW, I am currently working on a much harder hack larger in scale and much better executed. This election hack is just about political will. [[13 / 14]] Several people asked for the Duty to Warn letter. [[14 / 14]] UPDATE. Lot of homework. I don't believe this election was a MIM hack, per those c2000s. Subtler. Elegant. Huge use of money, lies and propaganda helped. But 600K votes (just enough) flipped swing states for Trump, but are left blank or went all Dem the down ballot? Must look harder. 08:01 AM - Nov 11, 2024




Gov. of Pennsylvania J. Shapiro, et al. Nov. 7th 2024

This is a formal Duty to Warn Letter. Per DNI Dir. Clapper’s 2015 directive to all agencies and
contractors associated with intelligence and financial agency technologies, I have a Duty to
Warn of suspicions of hacking, and have done so for my customers including Govt. Agencies,
Dept. of Defense, F100 firms and numerous banks. I do so here as a directly affected voter.

Nearly all of my investigations begin for one of two reasons. The hackers make a mistake
triggering a system issue and/or the aggregate effects of the hacking creates results outside
nominal expectations. There is a third and less common flag; an unrelated distraction to draw
attention away from the hacking.

All three of these indicators are present in the election of Nov. 5th 2024. Element three,
distraction via bomb-threats, is confirmed coming from Russian agencies. Element one is the
inexplicable mismatch of reported votes vs. voter turnout. Here in REDACTED County initial
tabulation was an absurdly low 67K votes when over 80K voters participated. Element two is
also present. Our local scanner systems worked in testing, but were unable to communicate
properly with tabulation systems after the bomb-scare. I note from experience - the failure of a
scanning systems to properly load a database is an extremely common development when a
system is changed without notice to the users. I have personally worked on similar issues where
sudden scanner configuration failures were the first symptoms of system hacking.

With these three elements present, I suggest immediately doing a relatively simple set of
preliminary checks. First, randomly selected precincts require manual comparisons of the
number of voters who took ballots vs the scanned output of vote totals. Those did not match
here in REDACTED County by apx 13K votes. Once added, those votes substantially changed
outcomes and led to the outright reversals in multiple REDACTED County races.

REDACTED County BOE now shows vote totals over 80K votes. Apx. 6% above 2020 turnout. In
my professional opinion every county in PA as well as many in WI, MI and GA currently
reporting lower vote totals vs. 2020 and/or also experienced a distraction bomb threat should
undertake the same process. My professional opinion is: many thousands of voters are being
disenfranchised, likely by a malicious actor via errors in tabulation software. My concern has
been proven correct and warranted here in REDACTED County, PA.

ESignature - REDACTED

REDACTED (Resident REDACTED County, PA)

[LittleGirl]

77. Wasn't the IP address of the server that transmits the votes

Changed at 2 am on election night? In Ohio. I remember that because I was lurking here and my former IT admin brain kicked in. It’s like they tabulated the votes and then all the sudden the server IP address was changed. Criminal.

[Blue Owl]

79. You know how easy it would be to get tRump to confess?

Have the feds show up a Mag a Lardo and seize his phone. Tell him they just received intel that confirmed Putin and Musk used a secret line of code beamed in by Starlink and that Musk was squealing like a pig and he would be 100% liable if tRump threw him under the bus. Donny would quickly admit it was all Leon’s fault and that he had nothing to do with it and wasn’t guilty, and in the process, blab a bunch of incriminating information because we all know he can’t keep his big fat mouth shut. Then the feds could let him know they never did speak to Leon and both he and Dump would be cooked like a Thanksgiving turkey.

tRump is really THAT stupid, and it would be THAT easy….

[mdbl]

82. And the magats would all cheer.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

81. Swing state percentages are very nearly the same. Needs a forensic investigation.

[lark]

85. Thank you for this.

I know the election was stolen somehow, this could be a big part of it. I have no IT expertise at all, but 10 million less votes is 100% suspicious!

[DonCoquixote]

86. just like 2008

we need to get back to PAPER ballots.

[Progressive dog]

87. They would have been caught

Massaged data only works if no one checks it against the original. Those originals would still exist at the sources.

[Phil1967]

88. Not Just Swing States

Trump also over performed in deep red states and deep blues states. The results also matched exit polls. None of that is due to Starlink. I know it's hard to take, but our fellow citizens elected Trump. The election was not stolen.

[usaf-vet]

96. Sorry and YOUR evidence is? Other than your a Trump supporter.

[Zeitghost]

109. The numbers are all publicly available

Trump did better in '24 than he did in 20 in every single state, averaging 3.3% better overall. Harris only outperformed Biden in Maine (+0.1%), Utah (+0.9%) and Washington (+0.5%) with an overall average of -2.7%.

[usaf-vet]

110. Sure the numbers that could all be lies. When the Republicans lose it is ALWAYS a stolen election. When they "win".....

.... it's a perfect election without a question of doubt about the counts.

Prove me wrong!

Show me the evidence where we Democrats went to court and lost 60 times over a presidential or any other election results.

I'll wait.................................................

[neohippie]

93. After years of being told there was no evidence of election rigging now the shoe is on the other foot

One would hope that since there was no evidence of this happening in the last election, and it was looked at over and over, you hope that people would learn to trust the process.

If vote totals changed, there are audits in place that will find discrepancies. There is no easy way for the data set to be one thing before they are transmitted and something completely different after the data arrives without it raising alarms.

People who do these counts at county and state levels would notice it would take a lot of people to be involved and would be nearly impossible for votes and totals to change when they go from county, to state etc...

Sure skepticism is healthy but when you have one expectation and then get a result that doesn't fit, but let's wait for all the the first round of counting to finish, wait for the audits, ask your questions. But believing things without any evidence is why we still have people in our country that believe that Trump won in 2020.