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kristndem

(425 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 04:25 PM Nov 11

Has anybody seen the Swing State Recount John Pavlovitz is posting about

Apparently there were many under votes where the ballots were left blank for every other race but the POTUS All favoring
Trump. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do trust John Pavlovitz
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"If the Democrats don’t initiate a recount for the swing states and bring an investigation into Elon Musk’s involvement in the Trump campaign, they are willfully ceding our nation to fascism in the face of results across 7 states that defy any precedent or reasonable explanation.
We all deserve a #SwingStateHandRecount."


https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/swingstatehandrecount

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Has anybody seen the Swing State Recount John Pavlovitz is posting about (Original Post) kristndem Nov 11 OP
Most states require that proof of fraud or a mistake large enough to swing the race be provided. TwilightZone Nov 11 #1
Pro-tip: When the Twilight Zone is against your theory GreenWave Nov 11 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #6
How did the GOP get everything they wanted in 2020? MichMan Nov 11 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #12
In 2020, how many undervotes were there in 7 states...all for Biden? paleotn Nov 11 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Nov 11 #17
Turn in your evidence to the Biden Administration Kaleva Nov 12 #21
Well, good luck going quietly into this good night. Hope doing nothing works out for you. paleotn Nov 12 #31
It's up to the Harris campaign to fight for recounts Kaleva Nov 12 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #20
I'm taking my cue from our leaders at the federal and state level Kaleva Nov 12 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #25
Maybe you gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. I didn't. onenote Nov 12 #28
I hope people are just processing their grief Elessar Zappa Nov 11 #7
Explain NC state wide races and the top of the ticket. paleotn Nov 11 #14
I think NC's results reflect the Mark Robinson effect. onenote Nov 12 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 11 #16
Seriously asking SickOfTheOnePct Nov 11 #2
I think what the OP meant was that the undervote was in all the other races. royable Nov 11 #4
Ah, got it SickOfTheOnePct Nov 11 #9
Could it be that Trump's outreach to the seldom voting white male voter caused this karynnj Nov 12 #32
Fraud would be suggested by that Cirsium Nov 11 #5
Incredulity isn't evidence. People leave lines on the ballot blank all the time. TheKentuckian Nov 12 #33
Of course Cirsium Nov 12 #36
It makes me a little nervous that some top Dems laid the hammer down on the Harris campaign Hope22 Nov 11 #8
I believe it. I don't care what anyone calls me. Cha Nov 11 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #18
Mahalo, Chin Music.. Cha Nov 12 #35
Few if any have the slightest doubt Chump and the White Nationalist Crime Syndicate and Theocratic Domestic Terrorist TheKentuckian Nov 12 #34
NC being one of them. How in the hell.... paleotn Nov 11 #13
Cultists don't care about voting for anyone other than Trump? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 12 #30
One problem kwolf68 Nov 12 #22
John Pavlovitz is an eternal optimist... druidity33 Nov 12 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #26
My position is the same as 2020. Evidence, please. Not a theory based on an anomaly. surfered Nov 12 #27
Just out of curiosity questionseverything Nov 12 #37

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
1. Most states require that proof of fraud or a mistake large enough to swing the race be provided.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 04:29 PM
Nov 11

If the campaign had proof, they would already be filing for recounts.

If Pavlovitz has proof, he should provide it to the campaign. The bar to get a recount is very high and "this ain't right" isn't going to cut it.

To answer the question in your subject line, yes, the same thing has been posted multiple times on DU already.

Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)

MichMan

(13,553 posts)
10. How did the GOP get everything they wanted in 2020?
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 07:09 PM
Nov 11

All their spurious baseless claims got shot down.

Response to MichMan (Reply #10)

paleotn

(19,531 posts)
15. In 2020, how many undervotes were there in 7 states...all for Biden?
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 07:40 PM
Nov 11

Gee willikers! There weren't any. Thus no evidence to support the suits. Your apple looks nothing like my orange.

Response to paleotn (Reply #15)

Kaleva

(38,541 posts)
21. Turn in your evidence to the Biden Administration
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:29 AM
Nov 12

Let us know what they say to you.

Have you contacted anyone in the Harris Campaign about this? I bet you haven't.

paleotn

(19,531 posts)
31. Well, good luck going quietly into this good night. Hope doing nothing works out for you.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:23 AM
Nov 12

Kaleva

(38,541 posts)
19. It's up to the Harris campaign to fight for recounts
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:23 AM
Nov 12

Nobody here is fighting the Harris Campaign.

And it looks like they aren't going to do it. Probably because they believe the results are legitimate.

Response to Kaleva (Reply #19)

Kaleva

(38,541 posts)
23. I'm taking my cue from our leaders at the federal and state level
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:06 AM
Nov 12

and also from the Harris Campaign. None of whom, to the best of my knowledge, are questioning the results of the election.

Response to Kaleva (Reply #23)

onenote

(44,805 posts)
28. Maybe you gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. I didn't.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:15 AM
Nov 12

And the assertion that the GOP, which was slapped down in the courts over and over and over, resulting in disbarment proceedings and fines against their attorneys for making ridiculous arguments about election fraud, got everything they wanted is bizarre.

Elessar Zappa

(16,077 posts)
7. I hope people are just processing their grief
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 06:51 PM
Nov 11

with this “stolen election” crap. I don’t want this site to turn into a conspiracy site like so many right wing online spaces are.

paleotn

(19,531 posts)
14. Explain NC state wide races and the top of the ticket.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 07:37 PM
Nov 11

See post 13 below. Calling out bizarre anomalies is not conspiracy theorizing. Stands to reason that if one finds very strange statistical anomalies, one just might want to check the results a few times to ensure legitimacy. How exactly is that conspiracy theorizing?

onenote

(44,805 posts)
29. I think NC's results reflect the Mark Robinson effect.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:20 AM
Nov 12

Robinson's standing, even among repub and repub leaning voters tanked. It's not uncommon for voters to ignore down ballot races in presidential election years. In this case, Robinson's collapse almost certainly had a greater than usual impact in that regard.

Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #7)

royable

(1,374 posts)
4. I think what the OP meant was that the undervote was in all the other races.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 06:44 PM
Nov 11

Everything was left blank except for drumf.

Of course, that’s also on par for the intellect and civic engagement of maggots.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,383 posts)
9. Ah, got it
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 07:03 PM
Nov 11

I was thinking more in terms of the undervotes being in the Presidential race. There were a couple of thousand of those in Fairfax County, VA.

I didn't read the post closely enough - thank you!

karynnj

(60,012 posts)
32. Could it be that Trump's outreach to the seldom voting white male voter caused this
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:27 AM
Nov 12

People influenced by Joe Rogan and PAC ads to vote Trump, but who were not ideological enough to vote the whole ticket?

In any state that has paper backup, it would be easy to examine a sample of them to see this. Personally, I can see it as possible. It was more mysterious in 2016, when large numbers of urban MI voters voted down ticket, but left the President unmarked. Investigations found this is actually what happened.

Cirsium

(1,154 posts)
5. Fraud would be suggested by that
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 06:46 PM
Nov 11

Lots of ballots with votes only on the top of the ticket and all those ballots going to only one candidate would be suspicious. I'm not saying that it happened, of course.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
33. Incredulity isn't evidence. People leave lines on the ballot blank all the time.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:41 PM
Nov 12

I never do but some folks do, especially a Chump cultist might legitimately only give a crap about voting Chump.

Hope22

(3,101 posts)
8. It makes me a little nervous that some top Dems laid the hammer down on the Harris campaign
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 06:59 PM
Nov 11

Several days ago. Post game second guessing. I’m going to say I’m Hopeful so that everyone who complains about my name when I’m dejected can see that sometimes it fits! LOL!🤣😂

Response to Cha (Reply #11)

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
34. Few if any have the slightest doubt Chump and the White Nationalist Crime Syndicate and Theocratic Domestic Terrorist
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:48 PM
Nov 12

Organization are apt to cheat but so far there is no credible actual evidence showing they did or even may have.

Speculation and incredulity won't carry the day even if our default perspective is "reasonable doubt" because they are insurrectionists, liars, crooks, and cheaters.

paleotn

(19,531 posts)
13. NC being one of them. How in the hell....
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 07:31 PM
Nov 11

Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2024, 08:26 PM - Edit history (1)

did Dems run the table in statewide offices, Gov., Lt Gov., AG, State Ed Sup. AND wipe out the Repuke supermajority in the legislature...yet Donny won the state handily. Now explain THAT one!

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,663 posts)
30. Cultists don't care about voting for anyone other than Trump?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:22 AM
Nov 12

It seems like that would be an obvious MO for the mouthbreathing CHUDs who get their election advice from Joe Rogan.

kwolf68

(7,876 posts)
22. One problem
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:34 AM
Nov 12

Harris underperformed. Just giving trump extra count doesn’t explain how Harris lost a ton compared to bidens 2020 results.

druidity33

(6,596 posts)
24. John Pavlovitz is an eternal optimist...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 10:11 AM
Nov 12

he believes in the good in people, though he often points out harsh realities. I believe it is entirely possible trumps supporters crawled out of the woodwork and voted just for him... ignoring the rest of the ballot.



Response to druidity33 (Reply #24)

questionseverything

(10,298 posts)
37. Just out of curiosity
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:19 PM
Nov 12

How would one gather “ evidence “ w/o being allowed to hand count the paper ballots?

The software that runs the voting machines is proprietary so citizens can’t examine that…

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