Given the ill feelings and suspicions about the election,

[cilla4progress]

and all the BS from the other side, it would behoove either intelligence agencies or top Dems - or both - to give a full explanation of the security and legitimacy of this election.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Seriously doubt they will do it.

Nothing will happen even if it was stolen.
Courts will back Trump or Trump will ignore the courts.

The only reason we need to know is to determine how bad are things in this country.
Is Trump's support real or a result of cheating.

[SoCalDavidS]

3. I Want To Know If I Should Bother To Continue Voting

More and more, I'm feeling like my vote doesn't matter.

If our side is fine with that, it only confirms the way I'm feeling going forward.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Yes if we know they rigged the election, it is over.

Voting is meaningless.

The only saving grace is the ongoing dysfunctional pattern in our country.

The GOP comes into office and robs the country blind, empties the US piggy bank.
They drive their limos up to the US treasury.
Take a wrecking ball to the country.

Then the GOP lets the Dems back into office so they can do clean up on aisle 16.
Fill up the piggy bank and repair all the damage.

So the cycle can start all over again.

[SoCalDavidS]

5. Almost Makes Me Hope Our Side Loses

We spend years cleaning up, and get blamed for the pain that's felt while doing so.

Few give Biden credit for getting us through the Covid nightmare. Inflation was inevitable, and we're blamed for it.

Now T inherits a strong economy, that he will eventually fuck up.

Sorry to say, I'm beginning to think the best option is to give them 12 years to totally burn it to the ground. MAYBE people will wake up then.

Nah....they'll still figure a way to place blame on us.

[Irish_Dem]

7. Yes that is part of the game

The GOP blames the Dems for all the mess the GOP caused.
And Dems don't get credit for clean up.
Is blamed for the mess.

And no one thanks the Dems for remarkable clean up and repair.

I hear you on your plan.
But the Dems would be blamed anyway.
And the damage to the country and Americans would be incalculable.
Some of it never to be repaired.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. There is almost nowhere for the economy to go but down

Can't find more employment. Market can't go up forever. US Dollar to be eroded by China, Russia, Crypto. The slide should be a grand one, more widespread than the Housing Bubble. They're all bubbles now.

[Think. Again.]

28. Why would it have to "go" anywhere?

What would be so wrong about finding the sweet spot and staying there?

Oh, I forgot, we need to pretend we're constantly growing in a limited size world.

[soldierant]

16. And that is exactly what they want you to think

and exactly what they want tou yo do.

The only time your vote actually doesn't matter is i you don't use it.



If your vote really didn't matter, they would not be workingso hard to try to take it away from you.

[Irish_Dem]

34. Yes the goal is to make for a complacent, defeated electorate.

They know their vote does not count. It is all rigged. Like in Russia and other fascist countries.

[Babajida]

24. Which of those two options are worse?

I keep asking myself that.

[SoCalDavidS]

2. They're Not Going To Though

They've conceded and moved on. The time to say something passed days ago.

When the other side cheats, they make it very difficult to discover. If they did cheat, that's true here as well.

[SoFlaBro]

6. Biden and Harris are very gracious and will only move forward with grace and style unless there is some fuck shit that

is very compelling.

[cilla4progress]

22. So

Right on.

One of best comments ever.

[questionseverything]

8. No matter what anyone says, a computer counting the vote

Means , citizens cannot oversee their own elections.

If ordinary citizens cannot oversee the counting of votes then we don’t have a free and fair election.

Hand counting of paper ballots, precinct by precinct, in full public view is the only way to be sure of the count. Anything else is a “trust me system “, and remember no poor, inner city voters are buying or selling election systems, it’s only the ultra wealthy who own the systems that determine who controls the nation.

[lostnfound]

9. I remember those days, my mother helped to hand count. No reason not to do it that way. Nt

[LeftInTX]

11. The GOP wants this. Simply make up numbers!

[Think. Again.]

29. How could they make up numbers?

[questionseverything]

17. My folks did too at the elementary school after the polls closed

[LeftInTX]

10. And when they did it in a small county, there were hundreds of errors.

It was only for the GOP primary.

Thr GOP. Is ino hand ballots now.

I say let's ditch excel too. Add all the numbers by hand, because computers are "the man"

All you need are GOP election judges and walla..
No thanks!

[lostnfound]

15. I understand your point. Minimum decency is no longer expected...

However, risk limiting audits ought to be capable of being conducted manually, however.
And maybe optical scanners of a human-readable ballot is safer than barcodes.

If it is possible to secretly blow up 3000 pagers and cellphones as a coordinated event, it is surely possible to incorporate incorrectly coded bar codes in a way that breaks the link between voter selection and the bar code.

[LeftInTX]

18. Most perform.audits and accuracy tests

I participated in an accuracy test once. You put in a bunch of ballots with one vote per candidate.

[lostnfound]

19. I know that. But the article identifies an actual case where the audit would not catch it.

An accuracy test would catch it, but that still leaves room for several loopholes.

[questionseverything]

20. If you're saying we can't have hand counts because of bad actors

Wouldn’t the same theory hold with computers?

[EdmondDantes_]

21. The issue is more the error rate which is much higher counting by hand

[questionseverything]

23. The issue is transparency

[Think. Again.]

30. If we know there were "hundreds of errors", obviously those errors would be corrected.

[iemanja]

25. Funny how this wasn't a problem in 2020

and only comes up when Democrats lose. Just like the right's theory about the deep state rigging voting machines has suddenly evaporated because they won.

[questionseverything]

32. I have always been an advocate for hand counting of paper ballots

I was happy Georgia’s ballots were hand counted, they found like 12oo ballots, btw, even though it didn’t change the outcome I thought it showed why hand counts are needed

[CommonHumanity]

12. FUCK YES-NT

[bucolic_frolic]

13. In 2020 there was an election security guy, was his name Krebs?

He was adamant it was a secure election. Hmmm. Nothing now. Almost like they're being told to leave it alone.

[iemanja]

26. What do you want explained?

How Trump gained ground in over 90% of the counties in America, including in deep red states? How many Democratic officials do you think were in on the fix? It had to be a lot of them. In fact, the entire Democratic Party would have to have decided to make Trump President for any of this election denier stuff to be true.

[Think. Again.]

31. Why do say that? Why would a lot of Dem actors "have to be" involved?

[questionseverything]

33. No election officials would necessarily know

The machines are programmed by the salespeople from es&s, although anyone with a master key and access could change the program

Btw, the es&s people programming for elections also make the machines expensive

[Ontheboundry]

27. I had these thoughts but

I stopped. Mainly cuz of looking at the exit polls which showed trump doing even a little better than the actual results.

That doesn't mean look into it, and audit (which I think happens anyways) but I can't lose sleep over it anymore