Say whatever but I'm being asked to believe some things

[moniss]

that don't seem to add up. First of all we all saw with our own eyes the huge excitement and record increases in registrations, huge packed crowds for Harris, dwindling disinterested crowds for him and yet supposedly Harris got fewer votes than Biden? Supposedly the Orange Ruski way increased his? So for the Harris end of things to be true they would have me believe that not only did none of the new registrants go vote but some who turned out in 2020 and voted for Biden/Harris didn't either. Or some weird combination of that? The decline in Biden voters would have to be absolutely massive and nothing was showing that. But OK let's say we accept this super weird difference between what we saw and what supposedly happened because somebody wanted "cheaper eggs". We are still left with the second huge discrepancy between what we saw, knew and experienced and what supposedly happened.

The 2nd thing is they would also have me believe that the Orange Ruski lost zero support and in fact gained significantly after bungling the Covid pandemic, separating screaming children from their parents, after planning and stoking a violent insurrection attempt, being found liable for sexual assault, after being convicted of 34 felonies and after verifiable evidence of obstruction of justice and mishandling highly classified national security documents and justifiable concerns about some of those documents missing and whether he trafficked them.

Then comes the third thing. We are supposed to believe that this all happened in every swing state no matter whether North, South, East or West with widely different economic and cultural circumstances.

One of those three things happening stretches credulity but for all 3 to occur? I mean really. At the same time? Well I guess Diddy has nothing to worry about because once the court is done with him he's going to be chosen to be the next Pope and buy the winning ticket for a billion dollar Powerball jackpot all on the same day. Seems plausible doesn't it?

[SoCalDavidS]

1. The Odds Of Losing EVERY Swing State Were Very High

I'm beginning to think that some of them might have been legitimate losses, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE SEVEN?

[Blue Full Moon]

3. Imitation Game

[Progressive dog]

84. Just curious how you

would calculate those odds? Unless someone has at least a tiny bit of proof, contesting a vote count with odds that are estimated is a waste of time.
Besides, if Trump had just won enough swing states, there would be high odds against that, too. In fact every individual outcome would have high odds against it.

[SomedayKindaLove]

2. Harris sure seemed to have all the momentum at the end

But MAGA said the same thing about Trump in 2020. Biden was in his basement and Trump was speaking to enthusiastic packed rallies. I had a MAGA tell me the election was obviously stolen because Biden didn’t even have boat rallies!

[Klarkashton]

4. Biden polled very unpopular no matter what he did.

"I did this" when it came to inflation, rents, mortgages... On and on. Student loan forgiveness and other programs were looked at as socialism by non educated whites.

Harris inherited all this baggage.

[Klarkashton]

7. He was extremely unpopular. I never experienced

Any pain and it seemed as though nothing was "slow" anyplace after covid at all. Concerts, and sports events, and all kinds of other consumer stuff has boomed.

Yet he was unpopular. I don't know.

[jfz9580m]

78. Yeah I never got the Biden hate

I thought he did far better than could be expected especially given Covid. I am on the progressive side and Gaza aside he ended up being more progressive than I expected. The anti trust movement Lina Khan started was also really promising.

[OrangeJoe]

91. Gaza

As soon as Hamas attacked Israel and Israel responded by carpet bombing the whole place I knew the Democrats were going to be put in a bind. Bibi knew that, too.

[jfz9580m]

96. Yup-pretty much.nt

[calimary]

26. And I will NEVER be able to understand why.

President Biden served with the greatest distinction and humility, always prioritizing what will help the most people.

I will NEVER understand what in God’s Green Earth anybody had to complain about. Just won’t. Just can’t.

[3catwoman3]

67. Nor me.

No one had worked harder nor longer for the good of this country than Joe Biden, and I'm baffled by our party's inability to get the message across about all the good he did.

Half of US voters are effing morons.

[Jit423]

68. Mainly because he picked Kamala as his VP. Next because he ran a second time when he intimated that he would not.

He was to be a transition President, handing the job over to someone younger during a traditional primary.
It wasn't Kamala's fault that he didn't do this and she was thrust into candidacy and did a hell of a job on short notice. Even if she doesn't win, she should try again. By the time Trump gets through with us, Mickey Mouse could run against any GOP candidate.

One bid and disturbing statement that Trump made while campaigning should come to everyone's mind and scare the shit out of them is his statement that after this election there would no longer be the need for elections.

[SharonAnn]

69. Fox news, that's who complained about him. Relentlessly. Until people believed it.

[Bettie]

80. All of the media complained relentlessly

about him and everything he did.

Nothing was good enough, but a Republican getting a semi coherent sentence out was somehow a miraculous glimpse of a brighter future!

It's the oligarchs. They own the media and craft the message to get what they want. And what they want right now is....everything.

It amuses them to shake up their ant farm.....because that's all the non-billionaires are to them, ants in an ant farm.

[CentralMass]

28. Inherited it ?

[live love laugh]

41. Harris didn't poll poorly.

[cannabis_flower]

94. People who got student loan and

Paid them all back were really pissed that other people got their loans forgiven. I know I heard that.

[Klarkashton]

95. There was no possible way to make good on

The student loans without pissing someone off.

I thought that at least they could go with zero or lower interest rates, but even that would piss off people.

It's like if you give all the employees $100 dollars you will piss off some of them because they worked more years than some other guy . It goes on and on.

[Hamlette]

9. just on the question on new registrations

the news I ws hearing was new registrations for republicans was way up and in some places higher than for democrats.

[littlemissmartypants]

12. I've done registration outreach at high schools...

In my area for years and there hasn't been a single year, including this one where the registrations have not been almost exactly (+/- 2) equally Democrats and Republicans.

People here are known to change registration to vote differently in primary races because you have to declare a party affiliation to vote in a party's primary race.

Registrants are known to change back and forth but initially the registrations are essentially 50/50 Democrats and Republicans.

This has not changed for the over twenty years since I started doing the voter registration drives.

I am interested to hear about details from other states that have similar voter registration drives. I'm in North Carolina.

[littlemissmartypants]

10. Here's the data...

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VP Harris needed to do better than Biden and Trump to win but the unaffiliated who we needed didn't vote for her and all the other Democrats we needed who voted for Biden stayed home.

As hard as we worked, as extensive as our ground game was, as much money as we donated and spent...it still wasn't enough to bring out our fellow Democrats who voted for President Biden and have them vote for Kamala. Our own peeps left us high and dry, apparently.

The numbers in question:
2020 JB 81,283,501
2024 KH 71,159,488
Difference: 10,124,013

I definitely want to know what happened. What happened to those 10,124,013 MILLION VOTERS??

[spooky3]

11. Once again--there are MILLIONS of votes in Calif., Oregon, and WA yet to be

counted--and votes in CA will still be accepted tomorrow, if they were mailed in by election day. I suspect KH's total will go up by several million. TFG's will also increase, but maybe by less. The point is that there are not 10 million missing Dem voters--or at least we should not conclude anything until all ballots are counted.

[littlemissmartypants]

14. I've been watching that KH total every day and

It hasn't moved much. But I do get your point.

[spooky3]

15. I don't think AP has posted updates since Friday - for example,

California had reported 72% of votes on Friday and it is still at that same level.

Both Biden's and Clinton's totals increased by several million well after Election Day, as the west coast vote count continued.

[littlemissmartypants]

19. I know. ...

I have updated her number every day. It hasn't changed much. Maybe California will help but only time will tell.

She needed to match or surpass JB numbers. We'll see how close she gets soon.

I'm definitely not going to stop watching.

Thanks for your reply, spooky3.

❤️

[spooky3]

20. Yes, I don't think she will reach Biden's numbers but she may get closer.

Hope I'm wrong.

I notice that blue Maryland also has a lot of votes to count/report (so does red Arizona).

Thanks for your posts too!

[spooky3]

63. Lawrence O just said that PA also has lots of votes to count. nt

[soandso]

45. 78% now

https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/President/

[spooky3]

52. That's not AP, but maybe AP gets its #s from that site.

AP now has similar #s; CA at 76%. Gap has slightly narrowed.

[soandso]

56. I don't know where Decision Desk appeared from

but they seem to be ahead of everyone else on updating numbers so maybe other sites do use them.

3,255,370 difference, right now. Harris down about 9.5 million from Biden in 2020. Trump has a slight increase from 2020.

[paleotn]

23. The net of those uncounted votes would have to swing MASSIVELY in Harris's favor to make much difference.

Even the west coast can't muster that kind of lift. Net 10M votes for Harris? Ain't gonna happen. Maybe something like 60% of uncounted votes tops. So the anomaly shrinks some but functionally remains no matter how much handwaving some want to do around here.

Maybe they just can't accept that there are very unusual anomalies in this election. There may be perfectly legit reasons. Maybe there's not. But why dismiss it completely out of hand? That's kind of strange too.

[spooky3]

25. I did not argue that she would gain, let alone net, 10M votes. But she will likely

narrow the gap and that should change the narrative (among honest people, not among some talking heads or Repubs) about "landslides", etc.

[paleotn]

31. Understood. The gap may narrow a bit but it's still a huge gap. Weird. Just weird.

[soandso]

47. Current numbers

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2008
69,498,516 Obama
59,948,323 McCain

2012
65,915,795 Obama
60,933,504 Romney

2016
65,853,514 Clinton
62,984,828 Trump

2020
81,283,501 Biden
74,223,975 Trump

2024 (so far)
75,563,011 Trump
72,412,421 Harris

Dem votes '08-'24
69,498,516
65,915,795
65,853,514
81,283,501
72,412,421

Rep votes '08-'24
59,948,323
60,933,504
62,984,828
74,223,975
75,563,011

[soandso]

46. The anomaly was 2020

I've got a post here somewhere some totals and will retrieve that and you can see. BRB...

[Farmer-Rick]

17. All the votes have not been counted yet.

I think about 10 million votes in California are still outstanding. And 6 house races are still not counted.

[littlemissmartypants]

21. I know. ...

Still waiting for the grand total. Time will tell the actual number of under votes she has compared to the JB 2020 number. We know it's not going to be a number that beats DT but that's not my point.



❤️

[paleotn]

24. At best she gets 6M of those. At best. More likely 5.5M or less. The gap won't close much.

The anomaly remains. Why did they vote for Biden and not Harris? Did Donny suddenly become more palatable in the last weeks? Strange. Very strange.

[spooky3]

29. My personal opinion is that a lot of voters in 2020 were upset about how

COVID was being handled and voted for change. But since then, Biden and Harris have been largely unfairly blamed for inflation, house prices, Gaza, and other perceived problems. Biden's approval rating has been (imho unfairly) low since the Afghanistan withdrawal (see 538)--which Trump had obligated him to do. I think that hurt turnout and Harris. This was NOT the only factor, obviously. But I think it could account for some of the vote difference.

[paleotn]

36. Can't argue with that. I just can't wrap my head around how even that could shift 2020 this much.

If she were running against Romney or McCain, I'd get it. But dear God and sonny Jesus.....Trump? My prediction was, when offered the choice of Harris and Trump, many to the right and middle might just stay home. Seems only the Dems stayed home. Weird.

[spooky3]

37. I agree. nt

[LeftInTX]

30. 2020 had record turn out due to covid accommodations

More vote by mail opportunities, increased early voting days etc etc. People weren't working as much etc.

Crossovers also voted for Biden, but they didn't cross over for Harris this time. The crossovers went back to Trump.

[soandso]

48. The votes didn't switch

form one election to the next. They disappeared. Trump's numbers from 2020 barely changed:

2008
69,498,516 Obama
59,948,323 McCain

2012
65,915,795 Obama
60,933,504 Romney

2016
65,853,514 Clinton
62,984,828 Trump

2020
81,283,501 Biden
74,223,975 Trump

2024 (so far)
75,099,397 Trump
71,844,027 Harris

Dem votes '08-'24
69,498,516
65,915,795
65,853,514
81,283,501
71,844,027

Rep votes '08-'24
59,948,323
60,933,504
62,984,828
74,223,975
75,099,397

[LeftInTX]

50. Look at the down ballot races!

And compare them with the president's.

[soandso]

53. How?

Do you mean comparing each state's total vote totals from 2020 to 2024? Are you saying the additional 10 million from 2020 did turn out and vote down ballot, skipping the top of the ticket or are you saying Dems often did okay down ballot while the state went for Trump?

[LeftInTX]

55. Yep. Compare with a benign statewide or countywide race

In Texas, it is Supreme Court races. Compare with the presidential race.

Locally Kamala gets 54% and Supreme Court is about the same. In 2028 Biden got higher than many down ballot races. Also look at undervotes for each race and more importantly third party candidates. The list is endless.

[soandso]

58. So, it's not more voting down ballot now

but more who only voted for the top of the ticket (skipping the rest) in 2020?

[LeftInTX]

60. You left third party candidates out of your stats.

Their votes also count.

[soandso]

62. True!

I should go back and get all vote totals for each election and add those. Kind of a pain in the butt, though, lol.

[spooky3]

64. thanks either way! nt

[spooky3]

66. We don't really have the data to show crossovers, yet. nt

[JHB]

49. How much of that number was successful vote supression?

A question that needs to be asked and answered.

[spooky3]

65. And, we lost a million people during COVID. nt

[NJCher]

77. See the thom Hartman show

Interview with Dean O.

The SC gave permission to remove voters from the rolls. The Republican states did it with a vengence. Could have made the difference in GA.

[NBachers]

13. All those big deal things you cited that you and we all really care about? They don't mean doodly squat to maggots.

They also don't mean doodly squat to low-info "no soshalism" voters. Or to the church propaganda believing population. Or the "no colored girl will be my president" crowd. or the stupid & uneducated. or the limited-means maladjusted haters. or the etc. etc. etc.

[paleotn]

27. Really can't argue with that. It won't matter to them.

But why didn't those same yokels vote for Robinson instead of Stein in NC? Was Robinson less palatable than Trump? I find that hard to believe. Or it was the under votes. Bizarre election any way you slice it. Stein beat Robinson by almost VT numbers. 55% of the vote. Yet Trump won the top of the NC ticket?

[mnhtnbb]

38. Robinson is black.

So, the answer to your question is racism. The voters who wouldn't vote for Harris wouldn't vote for Robinson, either. Plus, there were all those commercials with his vulgar and crass talk about women keeping their skirts down. It might be ok for a white guy to talk about 'grabbing pussy', but for a black man to talk about the sexual behavior of white women?!? It's still the South.

[paleotn]

39. To a degree, yes. But Tim Scott doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

And having lived in SC for a couple years, I can attest it's without question the most racist state I've ever resided in.

Anecdotal stories... We moved to a relatively small town there. Highly and I mean highly segregated. White folks north of downtown. Black folks south. Been there maybe a month or two. Working on my wife's car one night when our neighbor came over to chit chat. Normal stuff until he wove in probably the most racist statement I'd heard since maybe my high school days in the late 70's. Must have been the look I gave him, but he never, ever went there again in all the convos we had after that. I'm also not very good at poker.

My wife has taught nursing students for years but still likes to keep a foot or two in the clinical world to keep up her skills. She remarked that the medical staff, nurses, scrub techs, etc., in a major, level 1 trauma hospital down there all sat in the beak areas, separated by race. Very little mixing. On her first day as PRN, she plopped down next to a scrub tech she'd met, who was black, along with her other black colleagues and they just looked at her. She asks...what? They say, aren't you supposed to sit over there...with the white folks. My better half, being who she is, quickly replied, "I'll sit wherever the goddamn hell I want to sit....and so should you!" Old OR nurse. They're like that. Not a lot of ambiguity. Loved her since the first day we met.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

16. What are the exit polls saying? Unless those are tampered with too.

[dsvajda]

18. Voter Turnout

I'm an election worker in Johnson County KS. Biden carried the county in 2020 and Harris did in 2024. In my voting district 726 people voted in 2020 and 564 in 2024. All of us who worked that day thought that the turnout would be large. We had ten ballot marking machines and only had all ten filled four times during the day. Why? Who knows, but people didn't come out and vote.

[littlemissmartypants]

22. Thank you! That is what I've been trying to get across to people.

But everyone keeps telling me either I'm being insensitive because we need to grieve, like I'm not grieving and the total isn't in because California is still counting.

There's still going to be a big discrepancy between JB 2020 and KH 2024 and why people don't want to face that fact is strange to me.

❤️

[calimary]

32. Could it in any way be because too many people just aren't ready for a woman president?

I seriously want to know. Cuz it just makes no sense to me that she didn’t roar past the finish line. Just doesn’t make ANY sense. At all.

[spooky3]

33. I didn't say you were insensitive or even that turnout wasn't depressed. I just said we don't yet have all the facts so

it will be interesting to see what the real totals are once everything's counted.

Sorry if I seemed critical. I do understand your point.

[yourout]

34. Wow....that is a massive falloff. How many voted in 2016?

[LeftInTX]

35. Turnout was higher in 2024 than 2016

[spooky3]

57. Yes, true per Google AI--population was about 4% higher but voters about 14% higher

with more votes to be counted.

Another interesting stat: MSNBC (Joy Reid) reported that per exit polls (imperfect source) 71% of the voters this year are white (not sure if this was non-Hispanic white people), versus 67% in 2020 IIRC. But Google AI says all of the US population increase since 2016 was among the rest of the population. That suggests that white, non-Hispanic voters turned out at much higher rates (as a percent of all white, non-H people in US) this year, while turnout among other groups declined since 2016.

We'll have to await the final vote counts and Pew Verified Voting studies (which are better than exit polls) to confirm this. Since a lot of uncounted so far west coast voters may be Hispanic, Asian-American, etc., these percentages may end up differing. Maryland and Arizona may change the picture a bit also.

[LeftInTX]

59. The GOP areas are where all the lines were this cycle.

I'm still working on my report to get actual numbers.

[soandso]

40. Trump has NOT had a huge increase in votes from the last election

2024 (so far, almost all in) he's at 75,073,486. 2020 he got 74,223,975.

Regarding swing states, another poster said they often move together so it may not be unusual.

[moniss]

70. So you think that it's not odd that he lost not one single voter of any kind

for all the things that happened after 2020 and in fact increased?

[soandso]

72. Not really

His supporters don't believe the stuff he was charged with and think it's all political. Plus, people often vote party, whether they like their nominee or not. It's not different from "vote blue no matter who". They do it, too. Think if the situation were reversed. Would that get you to switch parties or not vote? I think it's pretty much that.

[moniss]

74. But all of his voters

are not MAGA. There is the "Independents" and the idea that he lost none of them is a bridge too far.

[soandso]

75. He got roughly the same number of votes as in 2020

Just a bit more. Independents vote for Democrats, too, so it's not like they all voted for him. He barely increased his numbers.

[CommonHumanity]

42. The fourth thing!

On the Thursday before the election, the fascist mafioso told people he didn't need their votes and that he had enough votes.

I do not believe it wasn't stolen and I wish someone who could do something/anything!!! would do it and fast.

[Ilsa]

43. I didn't think Harris would win Georgia.

There was excitement, but I think the Magas came out to ensure his victory, not like in 2020, when I think they thought his victory in Georgia was a given. And I think magas are misogynistic, superficial, choose ignorance, and felt like they already knew him.

Still, I'm surprised Harris' total votes weren't closer. And we had voter suppression in several mostly minority precincts due to bomb threats.

I haven't heard of any other voting shenanigans.

[CommonHumanity]

44. The fourth thing!

What has he not not cheated at?

[Takket]

51. what happened is covid caused inflation, and Biden/Harris got blamed for it

the election was free and fair.

The voting public just really is that stupid and/or racist

[brush]

54. I've wondered too. And trump won all the swing states...

despite Harris being ahead in a couple and the rest were tied.

Yeah, right.

I don't believe it for a minute.

[Upthevibe]

61. moniss..........

I agree.

I really have a strong sense of malfeasance....

[bobalew]

71. Being an old Techie..

I’m well under the impression we got rat- f@&&ed by Trump & Eloon, in the swing state counts. Remember him & Mikey’s “Secret”?

[summer_in_TX]

73. A lot of people who were upset about Gaza seem to have stayed home or voted Trump.

They said they would NEVER forgive Biden – and by extension Harris. Apparently many never softened or became realistic.

The debate Pete Buttigieg did with 25 undecided voters was revealing. At the end some of the voters had been moved towards voting for Harris. A couple who had been leaning Trump decided to stay home. But the ones for whom Gaza was their most pressing concern, those remained ideologically adamant. No budging at all.

[D23MIURG23]

76. I had this disagreement w the polls all year.

But the polls were close to the outcome we got. I guess Americans like their demogogues and dystopia.

[Montauk6]

79. What I've come to understand...

RALLIES DON'T MEAN S**T!

Wonderful visual but that's about it.

[58Sunliner]

81. How long ago did Musk give Putin Starlink? Plenty of time for Russia to use it to hack our election.

That may be why Musk gave him Starlink. Then he is fronted to buy Twitter and suddenly we have RW, WS , anti-democratic, racist and sexist outpouring of rhetoric. I don't believe it is a coincidence. It is stochastic terrorism and KGB all the way. Why were states allowed to use Starlink??? When Musk was so obviously anti-democratic.

One other aspect. All of the stories about all the people who suddenly supported Trump? Are those more Russian disinfo?? Chomsky had a term for what Russia does through the media and what the oligarchs do as well. It's called manufacturing consent. We are being asked to believe this enthusiasm for DT was there all along. Not buying it. Don't expect the shitty media to do anything other than what they have been doing, supporting a traitor and destroying democracy and the truth. Biden should be having military intelligence look into this as this is the bloodless coup they warned about.

[Dem4life1970]

82. The only thing that makes sense...

... Has been the right track wrong track numbers which have consistently been 60/40 thanks to the right wing propaganda machine. It is the only thing that makes sense. This is the first time since 1905 that incumbent governments globally have lost vote share (India, France, UK, etc.). Kamala did amazing in an environment that had very strong headwinds (48% when Biden was polling at 40%). I went crazy in 2004 when Bush won the popular vote and EC and I promised myself then I wouldn't do it again....the Convict/Conman pulled off the biggest con in US History in 2024 getting people to vote against their own bodily, economic, and national security interests. I suspect there was a lot of cheating here too, it's just we can't prove anything yet.

[PennRalphie]

83. In 2020 it was mail in ballots

This year, people went to the polls, stood in line to vote. Some still mailed in. It’s really much easier to mail in a ballot than stand in line.

I’ve said before, I was very confident of her winning PA by a pretty big margin UNTIL Election Day. Driving through a very red area, I saw lines like I’ve never seen before. Around here, in a swing area of a swing state, I know the republicans were everywhere registering new voters. I saw them at Steelers games, Penn State games, at fairs. We democrats received mailers, texts, emails, most of them very negative. Never anything about the booming economy. We have to realize that made an impact. People thought the economy was doing very poorly, and the democrats never corrected that.

You can win the deep blue states with those negative ads. The swing states? Maybe have a different message. Just my opinion, of course.

[CindalaB]

85. It's a money grab

First of all, latinos for Trump Showed up and voted for him because they didn’t want to see a woman leader. This is just like the 69% of women voters Who also voted for him because they said, and I quote a woman couldn’t lead this country“. There were a record 13 million voters, who were registered, that just Decided not show up and vote. Anyway, I believe it’s all a scam. This BS made me think of American Idol when your favorite person didn’t win, and they just kept telling you to “This is why you have to vote so vote “ Guess who Was making money off those Pandering fear mongering texts ? And if you think about it, The media and the campaignss Were all keeping us strung out and engaged by using, fear tactics so they can pander for money .

[ms.pamela]

86. Don't believe the BS

The simple answer is Starlink. More and more people I know in the IT industry are discussing this, and I am reading more and more about how Musk's system was involved in the voting tabulations.

[moniss]

90. Also rmember the close relationship of Musk and Putin. nt

[nbsmom]

92. Check out @Spoonamore on Spoutible

He’s a white hat hacker and knows things about tabulation. There are interviews from 2005 on YouTube where he talks about how the tabulation is hackable (guaranteed to give you Bev Harris 2004 flashbacks).

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He’s also written a Duty to warn letter to Josh Shapiro advising that they do a recount/audit starting with Centre County.

[Obamna]

87. FUCK TRUMP

This shit was SO unbelievably rigged. Can't tell me otherwise.

[ItsMaam]

88. mathematically impossible

I genuinely don't know how to feel right now. How can we be expected to sit here and just accept these results? We KNOW it's not right. We know there is no way with all the people who registered to vote for Harris and just what, didn't show up?? It's insanity. And what recourse do we have but to vent? Trumpets have the house and senate. Hopefully they don't pay attention and appoint enough cabinet members from the house that they goof up their majority.

[OMGWTF]

89. Also Eloon Musk apparently used his Starlink satellite to transmit election results

and bingo! Shitler is crowned king by him, and then mysteriously, the satellite blows up to hide any evidence. Weird.

STOP THE STEAL!

[onlyadream]

93. I don't know...

AOC's NYC district voted for Trump, but yet they voted for her.

The main reason is they wanted an outsider, and she and Trump are both that (in their minds).

This is similar to 2016 when Bernie and Trump were the most popular (but we went with Hilary). Both Bernie and Trump were considered outsiders (for the working people) and not Washington elite and part of the broken system.

I think dems have to find another Bernie.

[KS Toronado]

97. There's no doubt repugs cheated and a lot of us are clinging to a hope

someone will discover how they did it before it's to late so we can change the outcome. Unfortunately I'm
not sure our current Administration wants to bring the subject to the forefront because of all the Civil War
talk on the right and that Fascism could take over in a situation like that.