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Team Kamala initiates a recount....
Breaking News,
Kamala Harris' campaign insiders just quietly took steps to ask for a recount to challenge Trump's recent victory. This could open a can of worms.....
Source Occupy Democrats posted to their Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1016642417233999&id=100066647494924
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Ocelot II
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hlthe2b
(106,752 posts)milestogo
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PatSeg
(49,755 posts)hlthe2b
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magicarpet
(16,955 posts)magicarpet
(16,955 posts)New fundraising emails highlight the Harris recount and legal challenge efforts for congressional races.
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Here is a fundcraising email sent out by Harris insiders.
But this is posted on Twitter.....
Link to tweet
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Cha
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markodochartaigh
(2,221 posts)It says nothing about the presidential race.
Cha
(305,853 posts)
keepthemhonestO
(458 posts)I want to scream from the rooftop, Am I one of the only ones that can see this was stolen? 🤬
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magicarpet
(16,955 posts)... get this recount issue in high gear.
brush
(58,022 posts)Maybe that was trump and Johnson's little secret?
magicarpet
(16,955 posts)People are questioning whether that voting data was fudged with and screwed up the vote counts.
Two of his satellites have crash to earth,.. the question is did this destroy an evidence trail as to how these satellites were used to fudge the vote counts sent to the main tabulators compiling the total election vote counts ?
brush
(58,022 posts)system had anything whatsoever with tabulating the vote?
That's huge conflict of interest.
Again, WTF?
BlueKota
(3,727 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)"Federal and state election officials rebutted claims of widespread fraud in the 2024 election, including claims that Elon Musk’s satellite internet provider Starlink manipulated the vote counts. They said there are longstanding systems to ensure votes are fairly and accurately tabulated.
The swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have election security protocols that ensure voting equipment is never connected to the internet during ballot tabulation. And broadly speaking, voting machines are not connected to the internet, experts said.
A Starlink satellite reentered Earth’s atmosphere Nov. 10 and exploded. Experts said such reentries have been happening almost daily for the past few years and are not noteworthy."
dchill
(40,766 posts)Starlink evidently involved...
https://abc30.com/post/tulare-county-sees-larger-voter-turnout-during-2024-presidential-election/15519472/
"I just wanna say thank you to all our poll workers, inspectors for making yesterday an amazing day. We didn't have long lines after 8 pm, everyone got processed and through those lines quickly and that is due to all their hard work and dedication that they do out at the poll sites," said Tulare County Registrar of Voters Michelle Baldwin.
Baldwin says access to connectivity was improved this year thanks to Starlink satellite internet.
"Our laptops and our connectivity, that worked really well. In 2020, a lot of problems we experienced were due to slow connectivity at our polling places. We purchased Starlink for our sites, so as far as the connectivity that worked was awesome," says Michelle Baldwin.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)No voting information. It allows for same day registration and provisional ballots.
There is no system for electronically sending vote counts in CA, it is illegal in the state for any voting machine to even be connected to a network.
beaglelover
(4,111 posts)satellites. We are supposed to be better than this.
Jansen
(109 posts)But it seems too many of our fellow citizens equate "fair" with "my side won".
travelingthrulife
(943 posts)If there is no internet connection or possibility anywhere in that system, why is he selling this Starlink program?
These people will do anything for power.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)Thats's it's whole point.
The CA voting system does not have internet connectivity. Voting machines approved for use in California can't have any sort of network or wireless hardware in them and there is no state elections network for votes to be sent to over Starlink or any other connection.
The Starlink being used in Tulare County CA is being used to connect rural polling centers to State voter rolls so that they can print provisional ballots and get people registered at polling sites so they can vote.
Cirsium
(1,154 posts)Where did you see evidence that "Musk's Starlink satellites moved voting data to the counting tabulators?"
I don't think any voting data is moved through the Internet. Results, yes, of course, but not votes.
If you do have evidence we would like to se it. If you do not, I would caution you about being suckered, possibly by bad actors, into a "honeypot."
OMGWTF
(4,480 posts)brush
(58,022 posts)was used to tabulate(fudge?) the votes. One satellite crashed or something which maybe wiped out evidence.
Something is up.
And talking about a huge conflict of interest. No trump operative should've had anything to do with counting the votes.
My fucking God, how was that ever allowed?
Cirsium
(1,154 posts)Of course the Republicans cheated in various ways, as always.
But I would be very careful about the Starlink "story." It is thin, to say the very least. Vote totals are routinely uploaded to the Internet, yes, but not the votes themselves.
I say be careful because bad actors might be floating a false story - adding Musk to the story means that some Dems will bite on it - in order to discredit future stories about cheating that are true.
brush
(58,022 posts)But even a cursory one like on Kavanaugh's sexual abuse of women as a beer boy college student won't happen because we've got te sorriest AG of modern times.
Read this. Starlink had some involvement.
Musk pumped a bunch of $$$ into the Trump campaig, and had some control and influence (quite about IMO) over the national political discussion with that twitter thing he owns.
The Starlink story is a possible "honeypot," that is to say a disinformation being run by our opponents to lure us in and get us to bite on it, and then discredit us ad make it impossible to talk about the actual know ways the Republicans cheat.
There is no evidence that any votes counts were compromised by Starlink. Election results are posted to the Internet after the votes have been counted - that is routine. That requires some sort of Internet connection - that is what Starlink is.
If you remember back in 2020 there was a big kerfuffle because a clerk in rural Antrim county made a mistake when posting results to the Internet. (It is an exceptionally solid Republican county, which Trump handily won in 2020, but the results posted online showed Biden had won.) The actual votes and the actual count were not effected in any way by that error. But the Republicans went crazy over that, citing it as proof that Democrats were "stealing elections."
So far as I am aware there is just one clerk in one rural county who made one remark about uploading election results - not votes - using Starlink. There is nothing inherently nefarious in that at all.
Should election results not be posted to the Internet? Should certain ISPs not be used?
brush
(58,022 posts)We know that every other sentence out of the orange turds mouth is a. lie and if he's awake he's trying to cheat someone.
Of course the DOJ won't do anything...Garland.
reACTIONary
(6,157 posts)... that provided plenty of facts - evidence - to the contrary.
"We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence." I don't think Rudy makes a good role model.
brush
(58,022 posts)reACTIONary
(6,157 posts)
hadEnuf
(2,787 posts)The Republicans will be in the hotseat soon. We can make as many mistakes as we like, but they only need to make one.
Cirsium
(1,154 posts)There are all sorts of way in which Republicans cheat that are known and documented. Chasing after false stories, like the Starlink thing, will discredit those true stories in the public mind.
I don't think it is true that "we can make as many mistakes as we like, but they only need to make one." It seems very clear to me that the opposite is always the case.
hadEnuf
(2,787 posts)We are not going to be in power anymore. All eyes will be on the GOP. They will be the ones under scrutiny, not us.
If there is no there there with the Starlink story then we won't go with it. But we shouldn't run terrified of what the MAGATs might think. There is nothing wrong with taking a look into it to see if there is something there.
I'm sorry, but this dancing around the GOP is what has helped get us to where we are now.
Who said we should be dancing around the GOP? Not I.
Who is going to place the GOP under scrutiny?
hadEnuf
(2,787 posts)Scrutiny comes with the job. The dimwits put Trump in, now they can live with his agenda. I'm not sure how happy they will be about that.
Cirsium
(1,154 posts)Don't expect remorse from the MAGA crowd.
Here is what journalist William Shirer said after interviewing everyday Germans at the end of WWII, with every German city in ruins, a generation of young men dead or wounded, and millions of innocents tortured and murdered.
"There was so much that was true that did not make sense: the monumental apathy of the German people and their deep regret, not that they had started the war, but merely that they had lost it; their whining complaints at the lack of food and fuel and their total lack of sympathy or even interest in the worse plight of the occupied peoples, for which they bore so much responsibility; their boredom at the very mention of the Nuremberg trial, which they were convinced was only an Allied propaganda stunt; their striking unreadiness for, or interest in, democracy, which we, with typical Anglo-Saxon fervor and blindness, were trying to shove down their throats."
― William L. Shirer, End of a Berlin Diary
hadEnuf
(2,787 posts)They are mean, selfish, nasty idiots. But they will feel the policies of Trump just like the rest of us, even though they think they are immune.
When it comes right down to it we are all citizens under the same government. There are no exceptions if you support Trump. (Unless you are rich)
Doodley
(10,452 posts)BlueKota
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The_REAL_Ecumenist
(889 posts)Interesting that this ALWAYS happens under the gop but it gotten brazen and flat out treasonous with trump. I honestly don' believe that Kamala would request a recount without having solid evidence. 
Besides, she an acccomplished prosecutor & there's NO WAY she would waste the hope and dreams of her supporters by filing a frivolous lawsuit. Just beause she hasn't said anything because that's how she rolls based on the talk of someone here in the Capital who's an accomplished civil rights attorney & led a number of lawyers for this election..knows Kamala. They've wworked together on a number of things.
So, somehow, I think I am a bit more informed than you are. BUt do go
on...
HelpImSurrounded
(509 posts)brush
(58,022 posts)technology have anything whatsoever to do with tabulating the vote?
It's certainly worth looking into and not just shrugging and saying it's speculation.
The fact that Harris was up in two swing state polls and the rest were tied...yet trump won them all doesn't make you think something is fishy?
Apparently the Harris campaign has initiated a recount.
ancianita
(38,871 posts)source, and more a platform conveyor of hearsay, and so she's not confirmed as initiating a recount.
brush
(58,022 posts)because trump winning all the battleground states is highly suspicious.
But we know that won't happen because we've got the a very poor AG.
AdamGG
(1,522 posts)Voting machines generally aren't connected to the internet. This is a conspiracy theory of convenience because Musk exists, not because there is any evidence to support it.
The margins that polls showed Harris ahead by in some swing states was minute and it was only a few polls, others showed it even or Dump slightly ahead. The reported finish was well within all of the polls' margin of error.
The polls vs. the results in 2016 was more suspicious than what happened this year. Or, ask John Kerry about the exit polling in Ohio in 2004.
The fact that Trump absolutely would cheat or create a fake assassination attempt is not the same as having evidence that it happened. It's going to be a massive fight to try to counter some aspects of the dystopian shitstorm that's coming. It's not going to help the effort if we run after unfounded conspiracy theories along the way.
Cetacea
(7,396 posts)And the shutdown of the central tabulating center in Ohio, home of Ken Blackwell. The meme that year was, "its not who votes, its who counts the votes." Some hubris-filled repug
HelpImSurrounded
(509 posts)brush
(58,022 posts)on the last two days of the campaign, and before that trump saying he didn't really need anymore votes, believe it if you will that he won all the swing states, even the ones with Dem governors and legislatures, won all the swing states, have at it. But I never will.
Something is fishy and it's blinking like a neon sign atop the most popular bar in town.
And we'll see about starlink, there's no evidence that it wasn't involved either.
tritsofme
(18,708 posts)brush
(58,022 posts)tritsofme
(18,708 posts)brush
(58,022 posts)tritsofme
(18,708 posts)People need to take a break, it is rotting minds.
brush
(58,022 posts)to see if there was cheating.
tritsofme
(18,708 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)It has nothing to do with using Starlink to transmit voting data, which is impossible to do in CA as no system exists for you to transmit them to. All voting machines in CA are incapable of connecting to a network.
Internet connections like Starlink are used to create provisional ballots and register people to vote at polling sites so that anyone in CA can vote.
brush
(58,022 posts)with obvious mental acuity issues, should be looked into.
Nobody is using Starlink to transmit votes. Voting systems are air gapped and not connected to internet or networks in general so why would we have any reason to believe an internet service provider was able to influence the election.
Trump has buddies in the oil and gas industry, yet nobody is asking for an investigation into the use of drilling technology being used to influence the election.
brush
(58,022 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)They are as relevant as internet service providers are when it comes to computer networks that can't be connected to the internet.
brush
(58,022 posts)What could go wrong?
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)The system is incapable of accessing Starlink.
brush
(58,022 posts)No way Musk's tech should be used in election techology.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)That it is not being used and the system is incapable of using it?
I know what was built into our voting machines because my State and local governments have public laws that spell out exactly how the machines are chosen, inspected, used and audited in the voting process. And none of it involves Starlink or Tesla or anything to do with Elon Musk.
brush
(58,022 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)You just don't understand the context.
They were using Starlink on laptops used to allow people to register at polling sites and to generate provisional ballots.
They are not used to count, process or transmit voting data and are not connected voting machines in any way.
brush
(58,022 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)n/t
brush
(58,022 posts)Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)And is about using Starlink to allow poll workers to access voter registraion information used to process same day registration and provisional ballots. It is not used to transmit voting data and we know this because California has no system in placer to transmit voting data over networks or the internet, and has made doing so illegal.
Qutzupalotl
(15,161 posts)and with the right information, changes to registration data can be made online.
There is no need to hack vote totals; fake addresses or birthdates, if changed on a large scale, are enough to swing an election.
LeftInTX
(30,594 posts)brush
(58,022 posts)HelpImSurrounded
(509 posts)brush
(58,022 posts)Sure sounds like a huge conflict of interests to me. Shouldn't happen IMO.
HelpImSurrounded
(509 posts)...saying that LCD monitors were used and the LCD sector heavily backed trump.
This isn't Star Trek or TV. You can't just change the polarity. Starlink is a floating router. Show me HOW this had an effect.
People throw the word "hacked" around a lot while knowing nothing about it and when an actual hacker or security expert warns people to protect themselves they act like those experts are infringing on their freedumbs.
I stand by my original comment - speculation by the technologically illiterate.
Bonx
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brush
(58,022 posts)Bonx
(2,235 posts)brush
(58,022 posts)hardluck
(689 posts)It was used in one county in California, a heavily Republican leaning county. The article does not say how Starlink was used and for what purposes, except for "connectivity." Further, while Trump won that county (unsurprising as he won that county in 2016 and 2020), he underperformed the Republican Senate candidate, Steve Garvey, by about 2.5%.
https://tularecoelections.org/elections/registrar-of-voters/current-election-information/november-5-2024-presidential-general-election/election-results-reports/post-election-day-results-reports/second-post-election-night-results-report-pdf/|
I have seen no articles about Starlink being used in any of the swing states, nor anything else that would corroborate the theory that Musk via Starlink manipulated the votes.
brush
(58,022 posts)involved in election tech.
spike jones
(1,796 posts)company ES&S. Just a few lines of code could change a percentage of D vote to a R vote, even a woman D vote to a R vote. The machines do not have to be connected to a network if the program in each machine is programed like that.
This was an issue in the 2000 election, and when the manufacturing company was asked to see how the votes were counted, the company said that it was proprietary information. That company was Diebold, which is now named ES&S. Only a few people at the company would even have to know about it.
And yes, if ES&S and others are not investigated this could be the very reason Trump said “we’re going to fix it so good” the MAGA would not have to ever vote again.
A simple recount is not enough.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)And the only step they've taken is to add a recount to one of the many possible things they need money for...
Not exactly compelling.
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milestogo
(18,256 posts)and I haven't so far.
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My last email from her campaign was just 3 hours ago and they were asking for money to support candidates whose races haven't been decided yet.
Cha
(305,853 posts)
AllyCat
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doc03
(36,957 posts)I didn't read them other than the title, but it looked like they were all for money to fight for Congressional seats.
summer_in_TX
(3,294 posts)Harris Fight Fund
$25.
That is the donation we are asking you to make to the Harris Fight Fund program today.
$25 because there are U.S. Senate and House races that are either too close to call, or within the margin of recounts or certain legal challenges.
$25 because we have to do what we can to win those critical races, and defend the outcome of the ones we have won in court.
$25 because it will all add up fast when you and others like you are united in making sure every vote is counted and every voter's voice is heard.
What do you say?
Will you give $25 to support the Harris Fight Fund program today? Every dollar will help us make sure every vote is counted >>
If you've saved payment information with ActBlue Express, your donation will go through immediately:
$25 >>
$50 >>
$75 >>
$100 >>
$125 >>
Other >>
Thank you,
Team Harris-Walz
Plus it's on the website here: https://secure.actblue.com/donate/em-hvf-november-fight-fund-2024
BonnieJW
(2,605 posts)Repugs from panicking. They'll do president as well
It just came in a short time ago.
Dupe
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(889 posts)Just sit back and toe tap. You'll be notified as long as you're on a emailing address OR get texts from the campaign.
MichMan
(13,553 posts)I would have to pull money out of my IRA for that amount which I can't afford.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/11/kamala-harris-fundraiser-donations-election-recount/76195287007/
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LeftInTX
(30,594 posts)Response to LeftInTX (Reply #16)
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(30,594 posts)Response to LeftInTX (Reply #27)
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mahatmakanejeeves
(61,608 posts)magicarpet
(16,955 posts)... but you don't want to sound to trDUMPee with wild accusations until you have solid evidence to back you up.
Peeking into congressional races looks like a good place to start to commence an investigation.
Then see where the evidence gathered leads once you get your foot in the door.
LeftInTX
(30,594 posts)Sometimes by 100 votes.
Think. Again.
(19,041 posts)...hence the calls for recounts.
yourout
(8,132 posts)While you're observing the hand count for the down ballot races sneak a peek at the presidential section as well and have observers tally it up and if it doesn't match what's on the books then scream bloody murder
Cha
(305,853 posts)OMGWTF
(4,480 posts)BlueKota
(3,727 posts)It would explain a lot of things that seemed off. If it can be proven they did something for him, what happens then? Will the SC and the House still protect him?
Cha
(305,853 posts)
JanMichael
(25,311 posts)Is it verified?
Unreal that someone would say that in public.
Cha
(305,853 posts), creator of the Russian Media Monitor, author of a book "In Their Own Words."
She says she watches Ruasian State Tv so we don't have to.
I believe it.. they're thumbing their nose at America and Exposing TSF while they're at it.
GreenWave
(9,442 posts)They say this letter is a threat and the next act will be worse.
I asked if there was any possibility Russia helped mail in ballots for Republicans who didn't want to vote but would sign the ballot and let them fill it out, perhaps for a few dollars to keep quiet. They did not see that as possible.
I also thought the GOP early vote was morbidly high.
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Cetacea
(7,396 posts)Cha
(305,853 posts)orangecrush
(22,122 posts)When I see it.
Think. Again.
(19,041 posts)
Renew Deal
(83,064 posts)I don't see this going anywhere. TIA
BlueKota
(3,727 posts)used to say very interesting.
HelpImSurrounded
(509 posts)
RainCaster
(11,648 posts)See above 👆👆👆
MustLoveBeagles
(12,693 posts)Doodley
(10,452 posts)
Polybius
(18,360 posts)That's exactly what happened.
lapfog_1
(30,232 posts)This is all that I have received in the email since the election :
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Right now, there are U.S. Senate and House races that are either too close to call, or within the margin of recounts or certain legal challenges. Whether we have the resources to ensure every vote is counted or not in these races depends on folks like you making a donation today. That's why we’re asking:
Will you please chip in $250 to support the Harris Fight Fund program before midnight?
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Nothing about a nationwide or even swing state recount for the President or Vice President.
onenote
(44,805 posts)Totally misleading to suggest it has anything to do with the presidential contest.
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yourout
(8,132 posts)Lulu KC
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doc03
(36,957 posts)parties. Then we come up short millions of votes short on election night. Did no one vote
on election day? Instead of campaigning in the battle ground states he does rallies in NY, MSG and
California something stinks.
onenote
(44,805 posts)Kaleva
(38,541 posts)
Sogo
(5,840 posts)That would be worth it.
I'd donate to that....
magicarpet
(16,955 posts).... with electronically being involved with vote total counting data tabulation via his satellites is off the wall stupid idiotic. Who the fuck ever okayed this horrendous idea ?
Eloon should be nowhere near or remotely involved with the counting or tabulation of our national vote for president. Musk's ethics are in the tank with the raw sewage just like djt.
Eloon can never be pResident because he was not a natural born citizen. So what is Eloon's plan. To buddy buddy up to idiot trDUMP,... shower money upon him, use his hi-tech skills to game the election so trDUMP wins. Then Eloon becomes the defacto in the shadows US President while he tinkers with the workings of the government so he can become the world's richest multi-trillionaire.
Fuck that shit,
No Thank You.
mopinko
(71,952 posts)
calguy
(5,783 posts)For creating click-bait titles for the videos they produce to get clicks for themselves.
Kaleva
(38,541 posts)
Farmer-Rick
(11,538 posts)Fox? MSNBC? TYT?
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,954 posts)Kamala got thumped - plain and simple.
She had the right message at the right time but ran a weak campaign.
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gab13by13
(25,400 posts)which are state wide. A recount could show a discrepancy in total votes. If there are discrepancies in vote totals for Senate then recounts are needed for President also.
ShazamIam
(2,724 posts)From her webpage,
If you are able, please donate to the Harris Fight Fund today to ensure we have the resources to elect Democrats down the ticket ready to hold the Trump administration accountable:
https://kamalaharris.com/
Rainman4u2C
(14 posts)Harris/Walz raised a billion dollars and need to fundraise for a recount?
Kaleva
(38,541 posts)
NJCher
(38,223 posts)The headline is fine. The “trump’s victory” should be edited.
ailsagirl
(23,865 posts)
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,202 posts)The campaign ended around 20mil in debt.
Fiendish Thingy
(18,801 posts)It is clickbait
Texasgal
(17,161 posts)This is inaccurate.
LizBeth
(10,892 posts)the law and would have no compunction to not break it in this instance.
AdamGG
(1,522 posts)a. This would be massive national news if it was true.
b. Recounts are done on a state by state basis and each one is a separate case to be made in a different jurisdiction.
c. A race usually needs to be within 0.5% to demand a recount. None of the reported margins in any of the swing states are that low. Wisconsin is the closest, but it is >0.8%. Michigan is at 1.4% and Pennsylvania is at 2%.
Casey could possibly get a recount in the PA Senate race because the difference is now very close to 0.5%, but it needs to drop a bit more and there would still be 35,000 votes that need to be made up to win.
LeftInTX
(30,594 posts)Nothing about the presidential race
Bleacher Creature
(11,462 posts)What's next, a stop the steal rally?
This is embarrassing and should be deleted.
SoCalDavidS
(10,599 posts)After all, they just got clobbered in the WH, Senate & House Races.
W_HAMILTON
(8,570 posts)Recounts and even court challenges are all very much means of legally contesting election results.
Find me 11,0000+ votes? Sending fake sets of electors in place of the ones actually certified by three state? Pressuring your vice president to go against their constitutional duty and instead overturn the will of the voters? Encouraging a mob to attack the Capitol to prevent the counting of Electoral College votes?
If you can't tell the difference ...
Farmer-Rick
(11,538 posts)Sooooo, let's put up with a fascist dictator because we don't want to look bad.
Let American democracy die, without a fight, because god forbid, we might be embarrassed.
Damn straight a stop the steal rally is in order.....only no violence. Show MAGAts how to do a stop the steal rally like normal democracy loving people.
Sounds to me like the "sore loser" insults Republicans threw at us when they did steal Al Gore's, and possibly Kerry's, wins.
Who cares if we are sore losers, who cares if it is embarrassing? I sure as hell don't want a fascist regime to take away our democracy without a fight. Now that would be embarrassing.
Imagine 2 years into a Trump dictatorship and the truth comes out. Trump, Putin and Musk rigging is revealed. We can proudly say well we weren't embarrassed by looking at the vote counts too closely.
Kid Berwyn
(18,339 posts)
Howell, Michigan, November 11, 2024, outside a performance of "The Diary of Anne Frank"
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2024/11/11/demonstrators-nazi-flags-appear-at-diary-of-anne-frank-performance-howell-michigan-american-legion/76194690007/
Emile
(30,781 posts)Emile
(30,781 posts)would stoop so low to cheat is so embarrassing.
Babajida
(73 posts)holding out hope until it's more than a fb post :fingers crossed:
Cetacea
(7,396 posts)Thanks!
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bucolic_frolic
(47,573 posts)It was just all too surgical to pass muster. Where are our election integrity people?
Vinca
(51,233 posts)an actual physical count of ballots in a few areas to verify. I'm really concerned about the Starlink business. Considering the way Musk threw money around like penny candy and turned X into an arm of the Trump campaign, the thought things might be rigged through his communication satellites isn't a stretch.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,607 posts)We would have to have a massive recount in multiple states, and sadly they're just not within the margins.
Anything beyond this without substantiation gets into Italian satellite territory.
There's nothing solid to support actual vote tally manipulation. Maybe years or decades down the road, I'll be proven wrong, but we don't have the luxury of that sort of time.
Right now it just looks the same as in 2016--too many people's minds were manipulated via misinformation and disinformation for months upon months. But that alone doesn't change the numbers.
malaise
(278,774 posts)Rec
JoeBydun
(33 posts)they need to recount the presidential race not just congressional.
magicarpet
(16,955 posts)djt and Eloon are the most evil people to walk the planet. They can not be trusted. Embellish, cheat, defraud is their modus operandi - why would this ultra high stakes game of a Presidential election be any different - to fudge the numbers to give themselves a winning advantage ?
MichMan
(13,553 posts)Going to take at least $44, 600 per individual donation.
The first $41,300 donation will go right to the DNC. After that, the next $3300 will go to the Harris campaign for a Presidential Recount.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19707467
Bonx
(2,235 posts)or something.
Smackdown2019
(1,265 posts)How is it a man didnt fret over losing, considering his freedom was and still is at stake? How is it that those battleground states turned so red?
Hypothesis: Perhaps VP Harris wasnt a good candidate OR the voting machines were toyed to produce a red result.
Remember.... Russia has so much to gain for Trump to win and a foreign power middling into a foreign election isnt unheard of. Perhaps voting machines could be programed in strategic states, battle ground states, to calculate a red victory by a special formal.
Then again.... maybe VP Harris isnt the right candidate for the Presidency in 2025 according to the people.
Would not hurt to hand count the ballots to ensure the tabling is correct.....
PatSeg
(49,755 posts)And that Johnson knew what it was. He also said many times, that he didn't "need your votes, I have all the votes I need". Sounds like perhaps Trump knew the fix was in. AND now according to him, there will be no more elections.
bluestarone
(18,405 posts)Kick.
Liberal In Texas
(14,625 posts)money for her "Harris Fight Fund program." At this point one wonders what the "fight" is - if not for recounts.