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debm55

(36,971 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:11 PM Nov 12

Quesstion, are these people that are getting appointed to Cabinet jobs being vetted? I get the impression that they are

getting the jobs not because of the knowledge factor but because of the kiss up factor. And why is he appointing them so early? Thank you.

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Quesstion, are these people that are getting appointed to Cabinet jobs being vetted? I get the impression that they are (Original Post) debm55 Nov 12 OP
... orangecrush Nov 12 #1
Making sure that they are qualified for the job. Oh, I read the rest of your post. I thought he only only gets "the best debm55 Nov 12 #7
They are privately asked if they are eating the dogs or cats, or shooting the dogs.... Jack Valentino Nov 12 #34
Gee. Ya think? marybourg Nov 12 #2
are these people that are getting appointed to Cabinet jobs being vetted? Dogdirt Nov 12 #3
They have been vetting people for awhile now Zeitghost Nov 12 #4
He isn't appointing anyone at this point FBaggins Nov 12 #5
Aren't there different levels of security clearance? gab13by13 Nov 12 #9
Yes different levels DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 12 #22
Yes, there are different levels. My husband had a PhD in Chem Eng. and worked for the CDC branch in the Pittsburgh. His debm55 Nov 12 #24
Last time Trump ordered security clearances for people who failed background checks. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #13
His team were drafting legistlation a few weeks ago that would end vetting. Runningdawg Nov 12 #15
Trump doesn't follow the laws or rules. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #18
Unwise - but he does have the power to do that FBaggins Nov 12 #16
Trump's goal is to amass as much power and wealth as possible. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #19
Kash Patel gab13by13 Nov 12 #6
Vetted? We don't need no damn vetting. Autumn Nov 12 #8
Knowledge, expertise, experience, acumen are not the criteria. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #10
I agree but the names given so far have no knowledge of their jobs. Thank you. debm55 Nov 12 #12
Knowledge of their jobs is not a requirement. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #14
Michael Cohen knows TSF as well as anyone gab13by13 Nov 12 #36
Yes this is 100% Trump's major goal: to become the richest man in the world. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #37
You nailed it. The pucker factor. republianmushroom Nov 12 #11
I figure by Dec 1 he'll ask his SCOTUS buddies to just put him in office now so we can start the New Year right. CrispyQ Nov 12 #17
IDK. So far the people seem better than 1st term Johonny Nov 12 #20
Someone asked Trump's border Czar gab13by13 Nov 12 #38
I thought that Border Czar is as fucked up as Dear Leader. debm55 Nov 12 #43
Trump Doesn't Care. He Values Only Loyalty. MineralMan Nov 12 #21
I agree with you Mineral Man. But to me, I was even hiring someone to work in a shop. I would want the most qualitified. debm55 Nov 12 #25
That is, of course, the way it should be done. MineralMan Nov 12 #26
As the saying goes Deminpenn Nov 12 #39
Vetting? Who needs stinkin' vetting???? Vinca Nov 12 #23
People aren't "appointed" to the Cabinet...they are nominated Prairie Gates Nov 12 #27
Everytime I turn my computer on Trump is nominated someone unfit for the postition. However, they should have some type debm55 Nov 12 #35
Trump knows that they're not qualified GaYellowDawg Nov 12 #28
Can Trump make recess appointments before he takes the oath of office? Redleg Nov 12 #41
Of course not GaYellowDawg Nov 12 #47
Checks and balances are apparently too woke Redleg Nov 14 #48
Yes, they're vetted to assure that they are capable of keeping their lips GoCubsGo Nov 12 #29
I believe that to be true. Thank you. debm55 Nov 12 #31
They won't be there long enough to be vetted. IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 12 #30
That's true. debm55 Nov 12 #32
LOL "vetting"? Noem aced her interview ... Ursus Rex Nov 12 #33
Welcome to fascism. Basso8vb Nov 12 #40
Trump is arranging it so they WON'T get vetted. As per Rachel and Laurence last night... LAS14 Nov 12 #42
If anything like his last Administration... kentuck Nov 12 #44
I don't care about any of it JustAnotherGen Nov 12 #45
Thank you. debm55 Nov 12 #46

debm55

(36,971 posts)
7. Making sure that they are qualified for the job. Oh, I read the rest of your post. I thought he only only gets "the best
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:18 PM
Nov 12

people. These are ass kissers.

Jack Valentino

(1,394 posts)
34. They are privately asked if they are eating the dogs or cats, or shooting the dogs....
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:34 PM
Nov 12

If they can answer Yes to any of those questions, they get the job.

That's why it's called "vetted"

 

Dogdirt

(18 posts)
3. are these people that are getting appointed to Cabinet jobs being vetted?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:15 PM
Nov 12

Good question. Not sure they are.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
4. They have been vetting people for awhile now
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:16 PM
Nov 12

A whole team of the Trump campaign was devoted to vetting future political appointees.


I don't think you or anyone else here would use the same vetting process and criteria. But they have been vetted. Only Trump loyalists will be making the final cut.

FBaggins

(27,749 posts)
5. He isn't appointing anyone at this point
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:16 PM
Nov 12

He's just announcing who his picks will be when the time comes

As for vetting - he hasn't signed the agreements that allow things like background checks to begin. But so far - the names he's put forward were either in the previous administration or are in congress.

gab13by13

(25,291 posts)
9. Aren't there different levels of security clearance?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:18 PM
Nov 12

I guarantee that Kash Patel will have a position like head of the CIA.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,187 posts)
22. Yes different levels
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:47 PM
Nov 12

But it doesn't matter, as President, Trump can simply give whoever he wants a clearance. Like he did with Kushner in his first term.

debm55

(36,971 posts)
24. Yes, there are different levels. My husband had a PhD in Chem Eng. and worked for the CDC branch in the Pittsburgh. His
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:53 PM
Nov 12

clearance was not at the top. In fact, I had a higher clearance working for the Defense Department for 2 years. I can't believe these folks know shit about anything.

Irish_Dem

(58,357 posts)
13. Last time Trump ordered security clearances for people who failed background checks.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:25 PM
Nov 12

Trump does not have to sign any agreements.
He is in charge and the laws and rules do not apply to him.
No one can or will challenge him.

And I assure you the people he is appointing are working on their grifting plans
as we speak.

Runningdawg

(4,622 posts)
15. His team were drafting legistlation a few weeks ago that would end vetting.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:31 PM
Nov 12

Trump points his finger and you are knighted. No need for silly questions or background checks. NO ONE 2nd guesses the dictator.

FBaggins

(27,749 posts)
16. Unwise - but he does have the power to do that
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:32 PM
Nov 12

There's some rubbing between executive and legislative branches... but clearances are fundamentally an executive branch creation (by executive order)

Irish_Dem

(58,357 posts)
19. Trump's goal is to amass as much power and wealth as possible.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:36 PM
Nov 12

The concepts of public service and the public good are foreign to him.

The rules, customs of US government, the three branches of govt are also
of no interest to him.

He is in charge, he has the power, and no one can or will stop him.

gab13by13

(25,291 posts)
6. Kash Patel
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:16 PM
Nov 12

will be Secretary of Defense or head of the CIA.

Vetted? If they fail clearance they get the job. The King picks who he wants.

Irish_Dem

(58,357 posts)
10. Knowledge, expertise, experience, acumen are not the criteria.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:20 PM
Nov 12

The goal is not public service nor the common good.
Or what is best for the country and American people.

The goal is be loyal to Trump/Putin/GOP/Billionaires.
And to follow orders.

Which are to weaken the US and make as much money as possible for
the rich and powerful.

Trump wants to implement these plans asap.
He intends to be the richest man in the world when he leaves the WH in four years.
He wants to get started right away.

debm55

(36,971 posts)
12. I agree but the names given so far have no knowledge of their jobs. Thank you.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:24 PM
Nov 12

Last edited Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Irish_Dem

(58,357 posts)
14. Knowledge of their jobs is not a requirement.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:29 PM
Nov 12

They are not being hired to do those jobs.
They are hired to make Trump rich and powerful.

gab13by13

(25,291 posts)
36. Michael Cohen knows TSF as well as anyone
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:39 PM
Nov 12

and he said on his pod cast that TSF wants to be the richest person in the world. If People like Bezos or Zuckerberg don't fluff him, he will take their money.

Irish_Dem

(58,357 posts)
37. Yes this is 100% Trump's major goal: to become the richest man in the world.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:45 PM
Nov 12

Of course a fascist uses the wealthy to come to power.
Once in power, they shake down the wealthy and want a cut of their action.
Those who don't pay up fall out of windows.

I think Putin is the richest man in the world, he has sucked out all of Russia's wealth for decades.
From their vast oil reserves and is quite active in the drug and human trafficking trade.
Probably worth about $400 billion.

Elon Musk is worth $300 Billion.

I think Trump will aim for about $500B if he can swing it.

CrispyQ

(38,365 posts)
17. I figure by Dec 1 he'll ask his SCOTUS buddies to just put him in office now so we can start the New Year right.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:33 PM
Nov 12

Sadly, I'm half serious. He's that fucking power hungry. They are that anxious to get their hands on the US treasury & other assets.

The guardrails held last time, barely. We have an ace up our sleeve if Biden will use it. His oath was to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States & SCOTUS gave him new powers to do just that but I think he's too last century to do it & so did the six extremists on the court. Biden's 50+ year legacy as an outstanding statesman won't mean squat if he peacefully hands power over to Trump knowing what he's going to do. Don't ask me what he should do. I have no clue, but immunity is a pretty fucking broad term & to do nothing is a betrayal of his oath.

For the record, I was a staunch Biden defender when everyone was asking him to step aside.

Johonny

(22,115 posts)
20. IDK. So far the people seem better than 1st term
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:38 PM
Nov 12

A lot of governors, senators, reps and people that worked in departments. This is a far cry better than expected. I might mean Trump is checking out before he ever checks in. So far, though, his ship is being run far better than I expected. But it is early days.

gab13by13

(25,291 posts)
38. Someone asked Trump's border Czar
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:46 PM
Nov 12

what he will do with sanctuary cities and he said there will be no such thing. He will use the military, special forces or whatever it takes to round up undocumented people.

I am guessing that many of those undocumented people have guns and don't want their families split apart.

Just what Putin wants, chaos, civil war, unwashed Americans who bow to dear leader.

MineralMan

(147,684 posts)
21. Trump Doesn't Care. He Values Only Loyalty.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:40 PM
Nov 12

So, do they know anything about what they're about to do? Doesn't matter to Trump. And the Senate will confirm them immediately after the new Congress meets.

debm55

(36,971 posts)
25. I agree with you Mineral Man. But to me, I was even hiring someone to work in a shop. I would want the most qualitified.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:11 PM
Nov 12

To run the gov't department or agency. I would want someone with knowledge of both running the place and a knowledge of the
issues involved. As a teacher for 42 years. I would vet my teachers on numerous issues.including what they would be teaching

MineralMan

(147,684 posts)
26. That is, of course, the way it should be done.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:13 PM
Nov 12

Sadly and tragically, that is not Trump's way of doing things.

Deminpenn

(16,325 posts)
39. As the saying goes
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:47 PM
Nov 12

"Chiefs run the Navy" or "Sergeants run the Army".

It's the GS 5/7/9/11/12s who run the federal govt.

debm55

(36,971 posts)
35. Everytime I turn my computer on Trump is nominated someone unfit for the postition. However, they should have some type
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:38 PM
Nov 12

of background vetting on knowledge of what an appointment involves. It should include the knowledge of the issues of how to run the department and knowledge of what the does. I would not want a position based on how much of a kiss ass I was. I would want the best of the best. The people he has nominated are not the best of the best.

GaYellowDawg

(4,886 posts)
28. Trump knows that they're not qualified
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:15 PM
Nov 12

And he also knows that the vetting process in the Senate could be embarrassing at times. That's why he's demanding that the Senate confirm any recess appointments he makes. Of course, the Senate will never vote down one of his candidates, but he doesn't want even the limited contest that a minority Democratic Senate caucus will provide.

My guess is that Senate Republicans will allow all of his recess appointments and he'll get an entire cabinet with consent but without advice.

GaYellowDawg

(4,886 posts)
47. Of course not
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 08:13 PM
Nov 12

But he can (and has) demanded blanket passage of recess appointments from the Senate before he's tried to make any.

And he will most likely get his way.

GoCubsGo

(33,080 posts)
29. Yes, they're vetted to assure that they are capable of keeping their lips
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:18 PM
Nov 12

firmly attached to Trump's ass. That's the only requirement from here on out.

Ursus Rex

(289 posts)
33. LOL "vetting"? Noem aced her interview ...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:27 PM
Nov 12

.. by standing with a smile on her face while Trump swayed to the music at that Town Hall.

LAS14

(14,716 posts)
42. Trump is arranging it so they WON'T get vetted. As per Rachel and Laurence last night...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:06 PM
Nov 12

... he's making it a condition of people stepping into Senate leadership that they agree to shut down the current session of the Senate so that Trump can make interim appointments. No approval needed by the Senate.

kentuck

(112,874 posts)
44. If anything like his last Administration...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:20 PM
Nov 12

...they are just temporary bodies to fill out his Cabinet...

Until he can make recess appointments that are more suitable to his bidding.

That's why he wants the next Senate Leader to approve recess appointments without any vetting or confirmation.

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