IMHO It Seems Like We Were Suckered Into Accepting The Results Of This Election.....

[global1]

there was a lot of confidence before the election that the Dems were going to win and we'd have a female President and hold the Senate and win the House.

As a result - comments were made by Harris, Biden and many Dems that the Dems would - if they lost - foster a peaceful transfer of power. That was an easy thing to say - with the knowledge that they would win the election.

It was almost like they were lured into making that commitment.

But the Repugs and Tr**p had a lot at stake and I feel that they went all out to lie, cheat and steal this election. I couldn't believe that they were as confident that they were that they were going to win. They approached the election most matter of factly and over confidently. Tr**p even said - he didn't need the votes.

In fact - I read a number of posts here on DU that said - it appeared that Tr**p wanted to lose or that he was throwing the election. Near election day - we even heard that the Repugs internal polls were indicating that he was going to lose.

When he actually won - the Dems seemed like they were backed into a corner to concede and proceed with a peaceful transfer of power. They were committed to keep their word and not give a hint of talk of cheating or stealing because they didn't want to look or sound like Tr**p in 2020.

A lot of us have suspicions about the results. A lot of non-expected numbers that were and still are non-challenged seem to defy credulity.

In one day - the whole thing flipped 180 degrees - and the Repugs that were not going to survive as a Party - and Tr**p that was finally going to be held accountable - became - how and who do we blame in the Dems for this loss - and the Dem Party needs a complete makeover.

What happened?

These are just thoughts that are ruminating through my brain since the election. I'm trying to keep my mind off of these thoughts by only watching Hallmark movies (I need some happy endings to get over my demoralization).

Thank you for letting me vent with this post. It seems like the Repugs, Tr**p and the MSM are the ones benefiting from this win. The MSM will have their sugar baby in the WH soon and they will be rolling in the bucks for the next four years.

[Note I posted this as a response in another thread - but I'm posting it here - as I thought that it could stand alone as an OP]

[EdmondDantes_]

1. What not expected numbers?

All the polling suggested a very close race and that's exactly what it was. For all the grief polling has gotten, it was off by a pretty small amount this year, about 2%.

[nbsmom]

7. The numbers were NOT close.

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The October polling was coming primarily from R-aligned pollsters. These polls overweighted male non-college voters to the point that they would need a 90% turnout of that demographic. (R pollsters also never asked respondents about Project 2025 because that tanked Rs everywhere.) And then as these polls were aggregated by people like Nate Silver (who works for Peter Thiel), it made the race look very close.

Dems understood the assignment. When asked whether they voted a straight blue ticket, they always said yes.

So why is there such a glaring discrepancy between Josh Stein’s total (Gov) and Kamala Harris’s total in NC?

Why were there such gaps between Senate races and the race for the White House?

Why has Starlink been “decommissioning”satellites all over the US?

And if you haven’t already, please check whether your vote was received/tabulated by your county Board of Elections. That includes in person voting. Part of having paper ballots is so we have something to audit.

Link to tweet

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The 🍊🤡 did not win. There was a reason he was going around telling everyone that he had “all the votes he needed.”

[EdmondDantes_]

13. You're unskewing the polls?

https://abcnews.go.com/538/2024-polls-accurate-underestimated-trump/story?id=115652118

Sorry but you are wrong. And trying to link everything to Peter Thiel and Elon Musk isn't actually an argument based on anything other than they are bad. There's nothing actually supporting the contention.

As for why down ticket races would be different, Biden is unpopular and people still perceive cost of living/inflation is too high. Obviously inflation is back to normal levels, but it's hard to deny cost of living has gone up. That falls on the president in most instances. But also why would someone go to the effort of stealing the presidential race and not give Trump more of a majority in the Senate and possibly the House? The logic doesn't make sense.

The race in North Carolina had a horrible Republican candidate. Yeah Trump is too, but for whatever reason he has a charismatic/cultish charm on some people. Robinson on the other hand is black in a southern state and openly called himself a nazi.

Starlink is always deorbiting satellites. They have better than 6000 of them with an estimated life span of 5 years.

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites.html

[stopdiggin]

34. thanks for taking the time to knock (a bit) of this stuff

down. (with, like, real information) It can be exhausting I know. Because it just keeps coming. StarLink! Musk! The Russians! Anomolies!

I hope it dies down. But on the other hand - kind of the world we live in today.

[Elmotime]

39. Real Information

What exactly is real vs misinformation now anyway?

[Trekologer]

56. The simplest answers are often the correct ones

Trump attracted a bunch of voters who only cared to vote for him.

[stopdiggin]

2. Yeah! Because a peaceful transfer of power

is really a fools game! Strictly for suckers!

Sigh. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

As a result - comments were made by Harris, Biden and many Dems that the Dems would - if they lost - foster a peaceful transfer of power. That was an easy thing to say - with the knowledge that they would win the election.

It was almost like they were lured into making that commitment.

[jaxexpat]

15. What's important there is that Trump never agreed to accept

any peaceful turnover if he lost. It is an apples v oranges thing. Too much coincidence. Soon an old school friend I haven't seen in decades and just happened to wonder where he was these days, is gonna ask for a loan.

[stopdiggin]

21. What I find important here

Is that apparently a bunch of my compatriots have decided that a peaceful transfer of power (one of the guiding principles of a democracy?) - is a sign of weakness. One only employed by feckless wimps and losers.

I rather disagree! And think it is a dangerous and thoroughly misguided notion.
(And that, even if we weren't looking at what appeared to be a fairly convincing win. Using most any standard of measurement. )

[jaxexpat]

24. Oh its dangerous for sure.

But I think acquiecence to a season or two of fudalism is more misguided. Remember how a lame duck made a crazy attempt to stop Biden's presidency with violence? He got elected with all his pals the other day. Do you actually believe that's true? Which part is false? Free people have choices. Poor people have fewer choices. Free or not.

[stopdiggin]

27. I believe a peaceful transfer of power

is a necessary component of democracy. And - I will continue to ride that train (meaning democracy) - with no intention of emulation for either behavior or beliefs of the MAGA cousins.

Sounds a little bit preachy maybe - but on the other hand, I guess that's pretty much a full stop. For me.

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[global1]

54. Please - I Don't Disagree With Your Stand On The Peaceful Transfer Of Power.....

In the best of cases - I totally agree. But if there is a chance that we were snookered - and many polls were skewed to the Right. If there is a chance that there maybe was some cheating or stealing of votes going on. Wouldn't you want to challenge that?

I believe that Al Gore is still being criticized for not challenging the election he lost.

I'm just saying - I don't believe it is smart to peacefully transfer power - just to show that the Dems are different than Tr**p and the Repugs.

You can still transfer the power peacefully after all doubt is eliminated and you really lost. If it is questionable though - I believe a challenge is in order.

After all - Tr**p was saying he'd go peacefully - only if he won.

[wnylib]

63. Yeah, that paragraph sounds like it comes from another planet.

Agreeing to a peaceful transfer of power was always the norm in this country before Trump. The notion that Harris was lured into agreeing to a peaceful transfer of power is ludicrous.

Also, Harris never assumed that she would win. She repeatedly said that we were the underdogs and that the race was close.

That distortion of facts is enough for me to disregard the rest of the OP. It is fantasyland.

[Pisces]

3. Many dems won down ballot but they voted for Trump at the top of the ticket. Quit looking for conspiracy when none exist

This does nobody any good. We need to look at the analytics and figure out how to win next time. We need to do a brutal examination of how the people think and quit assuming they think like us ( the people on this board)

[nbsmom]

9. I disagree

You know as well as I do that Dems vote blue at the top of the ticket.

In North Carolina, there were a lot of votes for 🍊🤡 only.

That’s just a little suspicious, don’t you think?

[LeftInTX]

11. It depends on the state.

KY votes red Federal, but blue for state and local.
That redneck sheriff that murdered the judge was a Democrat. The judge was also a Democrat. Thr county votes super red for president, super red for congress, etc. Yet they vote for Democrats for state and local. KY has a Democratic governor.
Likewise, NC has had Democratic governors for quite a while, but their presidential results are not.

I think the south has pockets like this.

[AdamGG]

18. Massachusetts had 5 Republican governors between 1992 and 2020

Yet, the Democratic candidate for President won the state by some of the widest margins in the country every single time. A difference in the vote between the party of the presidential candidate and statewide offices doesn't provide proof of anything at all.

[Mariana]

45. Some of those Republican governors were very popular, too.

Didn't Charlie Baker have the highest approval rating for a governor in the US for a while?

[AdamGG]

52. My favorite one was William Weld

But, they were all pretty popular (except for Jane Swift). They were more like old time Rockefeller Republicans, though, than the national Republican party. Romney created a state health care plan that was the model for the Affordable Care Act.

[stopdiggin]

23. Not really.

But even if I did. Suspicion does not equate to, "I just know .." or "Couldn't happen .." Neither of those things are true. And neither of them are actionable.

Harris underperformed (meaning with actual votes tallied) - pretty much across the spectrum, and across the country. And Trump maybe have over-performed (in minor fashion)

[CrispyQ]

4. All I ever heard Harris & Walz say was that this was going to be a close race.

Back in 2020, lots of trumpers said the reason they believed the election was stolen was because they saw so much enthusiasm on their side. We are a divided nation. Some want to go forward, others want to go back. It's never just a straight shot forward.

[nbsmom]

8. I remember an election during COVID

We weren’t having rallies because of the global pandemic, please stop spreading misinformation.

[CrispyQ]

35. I'm not spreading misinformation.

Maybe our side wasn't having rallies but that didn't stop them.

Trump’s 2020 cure-all: Rallies, rallies and more rallies



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/21/trumps-2020-cure-all-rallies-430552

snip...

President Donald Trump yearns for the magic of his 2016 upstart campaign: the multi-rally days, crisscrossing the country in a Trump-branded plane, the screaming crowds.

So he’s designed a 2016 redux in 2020 to recapture that spirit, casting off the constraints of a pandemic, his own presidency and even the advice of some of his own advisers.

more...

And with coronavirus infection rates climbing, the Trump rallies often draw negative headlines in local news markets because the packed events defy public health guidelines, featuring few masks and almost no social distancing. After Trump’s recent rallies in Bemidji and Duluth, Minn. — both in counties the Trump campaign hopes to win — local health authorities connected roughly 24 new Covid-19 cases to the rallies and protests outside of them.

[marybourg]

5. We've been accepting results of elections for nearly 250 years.

tRump was the only outlier, and we reviled him for it. We don’t want to make that the norm. There was no suckering involved in reverting to our hallowed tradition of a peaceful transfer of power, absent credible evidence of fraud.

[Farmer-Rick]

29. Who's we?

Gore had his win stolen and so did Kerry. The GOP has been stealing election for decades. It's about time to hold them to account.

I would like to see exactly how Putin, Musk and Starlink stole the election. And then we need to fix our elections so it doesn't happen again. Just letting random billionaires and foreign potentates screw with our elections is just going to encourage more of it. Maybe China and the Saudis get in on the next rigging.

I don't think it will change this election results but maybe in 20 - 30 years when we get out from under Putin and Trump's GOPp, then maybe we will know what to look for.

[marybourg]

30. Wild allegations are not evidence.

[Farmer-Rick]

40. That's not wild allegations

The final tally recount in Florida had a Gore win.

Tabulation of Ohio's vote count went through Republican servers in Chattanooga.

Raygun paid off the hostage takers in Iran to hold up releasing them until he became president.

Look them up. These things really did happen. And what did the Dems do?

It's just time to quit enabling the GOP with their criminal behavior.

[jimfields33]

41. No not really.

This is the final official count.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida

[Farmer-Rick]

48. Nope that's not what the State Supreme court said

There was supposed to have been a full 100% recount of all of Florida. The Dancing Supremes in DC stepped in and stopped it. So much for state control of elections.

As long as their guy is winning, or their wacko religious forced birth crap is pushed on women, it states' rights.

Then after W started a war, the media came in and did that full recount as required by the State Supreme Court of Florida. And guess who won? It wasn't the idiot in the white house.

Look it up.

[jimfields33]

62. They recounted three years later?

[Farmer-Rick]

66. No I was being hyperbolic about W and his war

A year later they released the full count. But then 9/11 happened and it was buried news.

Florida had done a purge of the voter rolls right before the election. That purge kicked off a lot of minorities and prevented them from voting.

But here's the weird thing I just discovered. The ACLU brought a suit against Florida and Choicepoint the Republican owned contractor who created the purge list. And it was settled in the ACLU's favor out of court.

Which goes to show you how illegal the purge really was. If you ever get purged from the voting rolls, it maybe worth your while to bring a suit. Seems purges are a toll the MAGAts also love to use.

[jimfields33]

67. Sorry. I was exhausted yesterday.

Repugs will destroy anything to get power. The next four years are so frightening and he hasn’t even started.

[nbsmom]

55. SCOTUS stopped the recount

I love how you cite the Wikipedia page like that’s exactly what happened.

[marybourg]

58. I don't need to look them up. I remember the events.

But where is the evidence of election-stealing in this election? Evidence of dirty tricks in past elections, even assuming evidence of dirty tricks will be found in this election, and your suspicions about the various events before and since the election are not a basis for “a complete makeover” of the party.

I’m sure the Democratic Party leadership is at least as smart as those of us here on DU, and can make reasonable and sensible judgments about what happened, what it means, and what to do about it. Throwing wild accusations around results in us looking no better than the MAGAts and causing unneeded chaos which steals time, money and stability.

[Farmer-Rick]

61. Okayyyy

I don't understand half of what you are saying.

Are you talking about the loss of Gore or this election?

I'm not going to ignore my misgivings of this election or any election because of someone else's authority. That's not wild accusations. That's thinking for yourself.

But what do you care if the feelings of some stupid MAGAts get hurt because of my wild accusations as you call them. It's not like they care what I think of them.

Actually, since we have those weird voting machines, with proprietary software we are not allowed to see, we should always audit every major election in each state. Expensive? Probably, but since our democracy has now been voted away by a bunch of stupid Nazis we should have spent some money on the process of auditing them all to prevent accusations of fraud.

Some states do audits regularly but not many.

But too late now. You can bet it will be decades before the Nazis let you vote in a fair and free election.

[Mr.Bee]

46. Asking questions is what we should do as Patriotic Americans.

[FullySupportDems]

6. Thinking about it now

Not that you are implying he didn't win, but it occured to me that if somehow it turned out there was cheating...it would be even worse than it's already going to be. The cultists would be sure it was "stolen" and I can't imagine what they'd do. It feels like nothing about the election matters now. It might be important to understand what happened, but going forward it feels impossible to predict what the next election will be about.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

14. People said that in 2000.2004.2016

Did we learn the lesson, the other side does not play fair and never will !!

[FullySupportDems]

64. Whoa, that will teach me to post and run

I totally see your point and the others about how lousy it would be to let it go, if he cheated to win. F that. I get it.

All the people saying it wasn't possible, well I'd like to agree. I want to agree.

But billions of dollars can buy a lot of man power and internet access and I'm sure they tried everything they could think of to cheat a win. With enough people on the payroll here and abroad, brilliant minds on the job, I'm not at all sure. Not sure enough to ignore the possibility. That's all I really know. The Titanic wasn't unsinkable. It only took a few mistakes to sink it.

I thought it was a horrible mistake in 2000 when Bush was selected and Gore was graceful. I'm still mad about it. And in 2016 it was a fact voters were disenfranchised in places where it counted. Those weren't just rumors. Don't even get me started on whatever motivated that bastard traitor Comey. He should be in prison. But it wasn't only him.

I'm not sure I'm right, and I'm certainly not saying I am. I worry that this time IF the election were overturned, these crazy "patriots" really will enact a violent revolutionary coup. And I think that might wind up with a worse outcome than just him being president. It's hard to imagine I know.

I'd dearly love it if it could be proven Harris won. And damn the cultists, go cry in your beer boys! But I'm still worried what they would do, with the backing of billionaires and foreign powers.

I'll stop rattling on now. I'm worried no matter what.

[TheKentuckian]

22. I don't give a damn about "what they might do" all the way to a hot civil war to protect the integrity of the election

but as is there is no evidence.

That is the problem not angry Red Hat morons.

[Farmer-Rick]

33. There won't be any next election

Not for decades anyway. Trump told you that in just about every rally and interview he had. Didn't you listen?

MAGAt voters just voted in a dictator for life, or Fuhrer? If you think you can vote your way out of a Fascist dictatorship, I invite you to check out Nazi Germany.

Pedo Trump did, after all, make it a habit to quote the head Nazi in 1930s/1940s Germany.

[FullySupportDems]

65. I hear you

I'm not saying you're wrong. It feels like picking the lesser of two evils. I'm hoping our country can hold onto it's sanity enough to not let him fulfill his full agenda. And I have no real reason to be hopeful, but there it is.

I have German relatives who are quite unhappy because they know what can happen. They were not Jewish, but had to flee for their lives too. Some wound up on the other side of the wall and were separated for years or never saw each other again. Others lost contact and were only found to have died years later. Those that live here now are very worried.

So many horrors. I thought they were consigned to history. When am I ever going to learn?

[bikes and bunnies]

10. How will we know without a recount?

or exit polls?

Dems roll over and give in too quickly.
This only emboldens the fascists.

[KS Toronado]

12. Time we had some post election polls in swing States

Lets ask voters who they voted for so we can move forward with that information.

Here's a DU OP on that discussion...........

https://democraticunderground.com/100219709483

[Sympthsical]

16. A lot of people are about to be suckered into CTs

And trust, lots of people will suddenly have their hands out to “investigate” while “just asking questions” to push traffic and views to their pages and channels.

I should get in now. This is going to be some easy money.

[Farmer-Rick]

37. Is that your version

Of sore loser?

Maybe if Gore or Kerry, or even the Dems back then, had done something to investigate the election, then maybe we wouldn't have Trump now.

It won't change the results. It will just throw it to the House or dancing Supremes if it is a contested election. But it would be good to know what happened.

[AdamGG]

17. There wasn't any confidence that we were going to win the Senate

Everyone knew that West Virginia and Montana were toast and the polling in Ohio was close and trending against Sherrod Brown. We had slight leads in PA, MI, NV, AZ, but they were all fairly close and the margins had been narrowing. People hoped that possibly Brown could hang on and maybe we could knock of Ted Cruz (which was a longshot), but most reporting emphasized that it was going to be a challenge for us to retain control of the Senate.

I think Harris and Biden and the party talked about a peaceful transfer of power if they lost to draw a contrast with the other side and hopefully gain some votes because we're the party that respects rule of law. If we did lose and there is not a credible way to overturn it, there's probably more benefit to maintain our identity as being the party that respects the system.

There's no question what the intent was of bomb threats sent in to highly Democratic precincts in swing states from Russian email addresses. It makes me wonder how frequently the election day bomb threat tactic has been used over the last 150 years because it's a pretty basic idea.

[DeepWinter]

19. The DNC and Harris

inside polls all had this as a close race. Democratic leadership at the highest level is not contesting the race because the numbers do add up, as they see it. I trust them. They would push back in a heartbeat if they saw something clearly sketchy.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

[Farmer-Rick]

38. Yeah...sure

Like Dems pushed back with Gore or Kerry? Even the stunt pulled by crazy Raygun was illegal. Dems never push back and this enables Republicans to keep committing fraud. The GOP doesn't even have to ask Dems to turn a blind eye they do it automatically.

Yeah, keep hiding the lies, criminality and sedition for the GOP. That will make it all go away.

[LexVegas]

20. Denial stage of grief. nt

[Jspur]

25. Ticket Splitting is very common here in

my state of NC. Most of the time they will elect a democratic governor and a republican president at the same time. It's pretty infuriating but that tends to always be the case down here. No conspiracy theory it just seems like the Dems suffered nationally from ticket splitting which tells us as weird as it sounds their ideas are still popular, but the majority of people didn't want Kamala to be in charge.

[PatSeg]

32. It is evidently very common in New Hampshire as well

We keep sending Democrats to DC, but electing republicans to the state legislature. Governors tend to be from either party.

[ancianita]

26. The vote counts go on until December 11. It's too soon to say we're suckered into accepting ANYthing.

Let's show more adult patience around here. Fact is, it's not over yet. It's not.

Anyone who feels and acts defeated before all the facts are in is defeatist.

IMHO.

[jimfields33]

42. Vice President Harris said she was the underdog from day one. Polling guaranteed it.

[ancianita]

47. Polling never guarantees anything. Polling was wrong in 2018, '20, '22.

She, as a prosecutor, should accept the facts determined by December 11 before accepting what politicos say.

[FakeNoose]

28. In the last 3 or 4 weeks before Election Day, Chump was acting like he had it in the bag

He even said things to that effect. Like he was saying, "We don't need your votes" to his own MAGA-cultists.
No candidate has ever said that, and certainly not when the press was around to hear and record it.

What did he know, and when did he know it?
Hmmmm...

[jimfields33]

43. Both sides get internal polling. I'm sure his looked good. Vice President Harris said it was close.

Polls were extremely accurate. He won by 2 percent which was margin of error.

[global1]

49. Exactly - If This Election Polled So Closely And It Was Within The Margin Of Error...

It's hard to believe anyone competing in such an election would say - I don't need your votes.

[Bluethroughu]

31. Same here. You are not alone.

[Odious justice]

36. The only "surprise" is that anyone is surprised

I never, not for one minute, thought this election would end any other way. She never had a shot, she was put out to lose, and she did. Points for trying, I suppose, but this election was over two years ago when Biden didn't announce he would step aside and hold a primary. Ideally we learned some lessons and will launch a good campaign and candidate for 2028. In the meantime lets fix Florida and Texas, and get reproductive rights restored in those States.

[Farmer-Rick]

44. That's right out of Trump's mouth

The BS that we didn't have a primary meant we were undemocratic. That is just straight up one of Trump's favorite rally ramblings. He brought it up at almost every rally. I'm big on democracy but primaries don't have to be done to suit your opponents.

And there won't be any more elections. The MAGAts are ignorant and stupid but not that stupid. They're never going to give us a chance to vote them out again.

So, you listen to Trump when he bashed our primaries but ignored him when he said he was going to be a dictator?

[Trekologer]

57. I think it was lost even earlier, when Biden's administration wasn't in full campaign mode from day 1

Like it or not it was a referendum on Biden's presidency. Harris was unable to distance herself enough. Maybe with more time she could have? Maybe another candidate who wasn't in the administration could have? We can play a ton of what-ifs but if you're looking for any explanation that doesn't start and end with dissatisfaction over Biden, you're on a wild goose chase.

[BurnDoubt]

50. IT WAS RIGGED. PERIOD.

Deep State is REAL. And it's ALWAYS been right-wing (Leonard Leo). Part of The Plan. Putin came from the KGB. Putin knows all about all the players. Putin had a "confidential" meeting with the then-president of the US, who expressed his filial approval of the Despot. Part of The Plan. Putin attacked Ukraine. Part of The Plan. Holy Mike went Ruski. Part of The Plan. Bibi went Attila. Part of The Plan. The Pluto-Elites huddled together after a few rounds of golf with The Anti-Christ and put their thumb on the inflation scale for him. Part of The Plan. Christer Hierarchy turned their backs on Woke Jesus and bent a knee to kiss the sphincter-ring of the Anti-Christ. Part of The Plan. All seven-or-eight actual Christians stood by, mute, and watched. Part of The Plan. Democrats "went High", played it straight and normal, covered their eyes with their White Hat and prayed their aspirational hopes for a fair shake and opportunities for The Rest Of Us would somehow wend its way through the morass of mis-dis-information and garden-variety Hate. Part of The Plan. Democrats are eating their entrails and shovelling shit on the people who put their lives and futures and families in the way of mal-creants and deviants to bring a chance of a better life for YOU, The Little Guy. Part of The Plan.--- Ten days ago I was ashamed of the degenerate. Eight days ago I was ashamed of Republicans. Seven days ago I was ashamed of America. Today I'm ashamed of Democrats. I've been a Democrat since I was ten. That year I rode my bike around my neighborhood with a "Kennedy For President" sign and I've voted straight Democrat in every election since McGovern. I've had my heart broken more often than not, and the occasions of Joy not-quite-enough, but this moment is, by far, the worst and hardest to digest. Reading posts here and on Kos ripping on Joe Biden and Kamala Harris makes me sick, like I"ve been riding the bus with closet-MAGA quislings (fun fact; "quisling" starts with a "Q&quot . Lets focus our fire outside our tent and on the real enemy. We're a week into the next war. Forget the last one and stop bayoneting the wounded.--- Sadder, still, I was hoping a good man would see his bucket-list fulfilled with a Woman, of Color, at the Helm. Sorry, Jimmy. Sorry.

[BurnDoubt]

51. IT WAS RIGGED. PERIOD.

Deep State is REAL. And it's ALWAYS been right-wing (Leonard Leo). Part of The Plan. Putin came from the KGB. Putin knows all about all the players. Putin had a "confidential" meeting with the then-president of the US, who expressed his filial approval of the Despot. Part of The Plan. Putin attacked Ukraine. Part of The Plan. Holy Mike went Ruski. Part of The Plan. Bibi went Attila. Part of The Plan. The Pluto-Elites huddled together after a few rounds of golf with The Anti-Christ and put their thumb on the inflation scale for him. Part of The Plan. Christer Hierarchy turned their backs on Woke Jesus and bent a knee to kiss the sphincter-ring of the Anti-Christ. Part of The Plan. All seven-or-eight actual Christians stood by, mute, and watched. Part of The Plan. Democrats "went High", played it straight and normal, covered their eyes with their White Hat and prayed their aspirational hopes for a fair shake and opportunities for The Rest Of Us would somehow wend its way through the morass of mis-dis-information and garden-variety Hate. Part of The Plan. Democrats are eating their entrails and shovelling shit on the people who put their lives and futures and families in the way of mal-creants and deviants to bring a chance of a better life for YOU, The Little Guy. Part of The Plan.--- Ten days ago I was ashamed of the degenerate. Eight days ago I was ashamed of Republicans. Seven days ago I was ashamed of America. Today I'm ashamed of Democrats. I've been a Democrat since I was ten. That year I rode my bike around my neighborhood with a "Kennedy For President" sign and I've voted straight Democrat in every election since McGovern. I've had my heart broken more often than not, and the occasions of Joy not-quite-enough, but this moment is, by far, the worst and hardest to digest. Reading posts here and on Kos ripping on Joe Biden and Kamala Harris makes me sick, like I"ve been riding the bus with closet-MAGA quislings (fun fact; "quisling" starts with a "Q&quot . Lets focus our fire outside our tent and on the real enemy. We're a week into the next war. Forget the last one and stop bayoneting the wounded.--- Sadder, still, I was hoping a good man would see his bucket-list fulfilled with a Woman, of Color, at the Helm. Sorry, Jimmy. Sorry.

[stillcool]

59. I think several somebodies have to investigate on the QT

to find the what, the where, the when, and the how. It could be something that isn't domestic. It could require lots of friendlies contributing. Then again, it could be ashes.

[rainy]

60. It should never have been close:Money, who stands to make it and the media who also make a lot to keep a race close that

had there been a fairness doctrine and the rule that facts matter in reporting we would never have had a close election. That we couldn't beat Trump proves there is a breakdown in information, an intentional effort to keep truth out and races close. Keeps people glued to the tv. He was normalizes and the Left was held to a much higher standard as usual.

And I still do believe that there was cheating in the mail in voting process.