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Ninga

(8,633 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:24 PM Nov 12

Until and when there is a major cable network devoted to the message of the Democratic Party,

in the exact spirit of Fox, we will struggle mightily to get our message out to low information voters. Maybe never agin if we don’t ratchet up messaging.

We need a network, podcasts and social media giants. We need to reach voters where they are and daily inform them in the language of a 6th grader, about what’s what.
Daily. Every day. 24/7

We mainly lost because of messaging. Read the responses to the question AOC posed to voters, and you will find the answer.

Calling billionaires! SOS we need a network. MSNBC will never ever be the answer.

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Until and when there is a major cable network devoted to the message of the Democratic Party, (Original Post) Ninga Nov 12 OP
There was MSNBC that was more honest. But doc03 Nov 12 #1
Fox would NEVER EVER normalize Dems. EVER. Ninga Nov 12 #3
If this election was fair gab13by13 Nov 12 #2
Under our current form of funding elections via Citizens United, nothing will change. So it was fair. Ninga Nov 12 #4
There are fucking plenty of Dem pods. The problem's drawing a giant audience via conversations with Dem friendly guests. SoFlaBro Nov 12 #5
Ok. Let's get that guy! Now! Ninga Nov 12 #9
I think the best fucking approach is to take someone in the middle and have him/her lean left a bit. SoFlaBro Nov 12 #19
No. taxi Nov 12 #6
Fox is getting THEIR message to low information voters, that''so what keeps them low information. Ninga Nov 12 #8
Whether they are ignorant, willfully ignorant, or conditioned like Pavlov's dogs doesn't make a difference. taxi Nov 12 #10
Ok, I think I get it. To isolate and target such voters would take an extremely well funded Ninga Nov 12 #11
Having billionaires would certainly help. taxi Nov 12 #13
We need our own network. If we had our own network they could be reporting this exact minute Ninga Nov 12 #7
Don't get too hung up on cable networks; they're a dying breed Daveigh Nov 12 #12
Harris lost because more than 9 million people who voted for Biden couldn't be bothered to vote for her. elocs Nov 12 #14
So the horrible bdamomma Nov 12 #15
I posted about this the other day. The key is that we need to *support* our own media... keep_left Nov 12 #16
Cable news is a dying media Zeitghost Nov 12 #17
Cable TV is dying BannonsLiver Nov 12 #18
Let's you and I ( god willing) revisit this in 2 and 4 Ninga Nov 12 #20
The same olds will be watching Fox BannonsLiver Nov 12 #21
It's not cable News. It's social media and things like Joe Rogan JI7 Nov 12 #22

doc03

(36,963 posts)
1. There was MSNBC that was more honest. But
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:30 PM
Nov 12

since the election they are going out of there way to normalize the Orange pos. For fear of getting on his shit list mo doubt.

gab13by13

(25,407 posts)
2. If this election was fair
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:33 PM
Nov 12

that is my #1 reason that TSF won. Magats spent billions of dollars that flooded the MSM and beyond, and Leon Musk pushed propaganda all over X, which spread to other social media sites.

In Pa. they claim to have spent 400 million, but I bet it was more than that. Democrats cannot compete with that.

Ninga

(8,633 posts)
4. Under our current form of funding elections via Citizens United, nothing will change. So it was fair.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:37 PM
Nov 12

1 fucking billion spent in Ohio to defeating Brown.
We need our own network. Period.

SoFlaBro

(3,363 posts)
5. There are fucking plenty of Dem pods. The problem's drawing a giant audience via conversations with Dem friendly guests.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:39 PM
Nov 12

That fuckstain Rogan has a 3 hour conversation with some of the most boring, grifting MAGA fuckheads on the planet. But it is a regular guy conversation. That is the appeal of his show. It ain't the motherfucking message. It is something the "Alpha male" braindeads put on in the background and fix their car to or generate their Excel Pivot Tables to or lift a stack of weights to. Dumb guys talking about dumb guy shit. We need an equivalent to build a similar following.

SoFlaBro

(3,363 posts)
19. I think the best fucking approach is to take someone in the middle and have him/her lean left a bit.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 03:10 PM
Nov 12

That Who's Your Daddy podcast is a great candidate. Long convos. Whole different array of guests. Perfect to target women. Now we would need one for men and "guy shit" like that scumbag Rogan: MMA, huntin', fishin', lifting weights, conspiracies, and dumbing down smart shit.

Put some fucking dark money into these podcasters along with a recommended list of guests to eventually have on. Leave the content to the podcaster.

The shit can't be all politics all the time. That won't keep listeners. Sprinkle in political guests but people friendly to our causes who can message effectively. Pete B. AOC. Newsom. Walz. Even Adam Kinzinger.

The time to do this shit is fucking NOW - not 6 months leading up to the election. Is has to be the entire time that Orange Bastard is in the White House. A steady drumbeat beating that fucking orange shitbag over the head metaphorically speaking.

taxi

(2,014 posts)
6. No.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:39 PM
Nov 12

We do not need a network in the spirit of Fox to get a message to low information voters. Those networks are in place and they are efficiently doing exactly that.
What we do need to do is utilize those networks by providing self-destructive information to the low information voters - wage a war of attrition to that demographic. This part of the campaign would probably cost little compared to other parts of the messaging plan.

Ninga

(8,633 posts)
8. Fox is getting THEIR message to low information voters, that''so what keeps them low information.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:44 PM
Nov 12

If we had a network that spoke in simple terms and reported on every criminal move made by the trump adminstration the network would have more than enough material.

taxi

(2,014 posts)
10. Whether they are ignorant, willfully ignorant, or conditioned like Pavlov's dogs doesn't make a difference.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:59 PM
Nov 12

They are who they are and what they choose to expose themselves to is not likely to change. Because of that we can isolate and target them. The objective of such a campaign would not be to increase the blue votes, but to decrease their motivation to vote red. Use conflicting information from one locality to the next, establish an atmosphere of distrust among neighbors.
We don't need their votes. Bringing them into the party is destructive. If they lose trust or interest in republican policies and fail to vote, or vote against republican positions is good enough. You know the saying, I don't have to run faster than the alligator, I just have to run faster than you.

Ninga

(8,633 posts)
11. Ok, I think I get it. To isolate and target such voters would take an extremely well funded
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:05 PM
Nov 12

underground organization. Would need billionaires to champion.

taxi

(2,014 posts)
13. Having billionaires would certainly help.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:26 PM
Nov 12

Whatever it takes. The way things are right now is a bunch of bull, and we need a plan. We have a goal.
That being said, there is no way we can ever rely on the fickle - they will nod their heads in agreement, say whatever they think you want to hear, but as soon as they hear something to the contrary, we lose their vote. Screw them. Let them express their dissatisfaction with their own chosen leaders by withholding their votes.

Ninga

(8,633 posts)
7. We need our own network. If we had our own network they could be reporting this exact minute
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:41 PM
Nov 12

on Melinda not showing up and using disparaging words to remind people of her green jacket..
They could be reporting on trump not signing the Presidential Transition Act and use words like “cheating, using the office for,his own gain” etc.

Daveigh

(43 posts)
12. Don't get too hung up on cable networks; they're a dying breed
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:24 PM
Nov 12

Not unlike much print media.

I hear what you’re saying.
But they’re all going the way of the dinosaur.
Online streams, podcasts, and non-traditional/non-legacy media are here to say.

I just saw CNN has announced they’re set to “axe” many of their on-air personalities.
It’s just the beginning … and CNN isn’t alone.
The times they are a changin’.

elocs

(23,071 posts)
14. Harris lost because more than 9 million people who voted for Biden couldn't be bothered to vote for her.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:30 PM
Nov 12

When it came to her election being about getting out to vote for her, they got out to vote for Trump instead. Oops!

bdamomma

(66,720 posts)
15. So the horrible
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:32 PM
Nov 12

alternative will be state run government news????? Propaganda all day long. That's why the Russian people are like zombies.

keep_left

(2,528 posts)
16. I posted about this the other day. The key is that we need to *support* our own media...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:37 PM
Nov 12

...financially and otherwise. Air America was a good start, but there need to be a lot more, both large and small, when it comes to liberal and left media organizations. There are a few that have been soldiering on for decades (Democracy Now! is one good example), running on a shoestring budget, yet they punch far above their weight. Now it's true that your typical Fox News viewer has probably never heard of DN!, but imagine if there were dozens of variations on that show. That's what could make a difference next time.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219677391#post40

...And that really means more than the one network we tried (Air America), which was not the total failure that some have made of it--Air America launched the careers of a number of personalities, and many of them continue to this day either on other networks or as self-syndicated shows. But the most important thing is that these networks must be supported by both the listeners and the Democratic party. That needs to be seen as an ongoing investment for many years. How long did it take for Fox News to become profitable? And how long did Rush Limbaugh "suck wind in Sacramento", as Randi Rhodes put it? (Her answer: 15 years!)...

...We need to wise up and start creating our own media infrastructure which isn't dependent on MSNBC or other existing organizations. And yes, it needs to be multimodal--it probably is true that radio is a dying format, and podcasts and the internet are the future. However, radio isn't dead yet, and there are still good stations that soldier on (like KTNF in the Twin Cites), often producing their own local content as well. The Democrats need to support these stations, as do other organizations like labor unions and NGOs. Otherwise, I fear we'll continue to be rolled by Fox News and their imitators for years to come.
 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
17. Cable news is a dying media
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:56 PM
Nov 12

Fox and CNN are watched by 2M-4M people regularly.

The Trump interview on Rogan reached 75M viewers across multiple platforms.

Ninga

(8,633 posts)
20. Let's you and I ( god willing) revisit this in 2 and 4
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:50 PM
Nov 12

years. I say Fox has their hands around our throats.

BannonsLiver

(18,217 posts)
21. The same olds will be watching Fox
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:08 PM
Nov 12

But even outside of politics nobody believes cable tv is “the future” of mass communications.

JI7

(90,892 posts)
22. It's not cable News. It's social media and things like Joe Rogan
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:18 PM
Nov 12

And it's not always directly political. Especially how they weaponized the transgender issue.

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