Until and when there is a major cable network devoted to the message of the Democratic Party,

[Ninga]

in the exact spirit of Fox, we will struggle mightily to get our message out to low information voters. Maybe never agin if we don’t ratchet up messaging.

We need a network, podcasts and social media giants. We need to reach voters where they are and daily inform them in the language of a 6th grader, about what’s what.
Daily. Every day. 24/7

We mainly lost because of messaging. Read the responses to the question AOC posed to voters, and you will find the answer.

Calling billionaires! SOS we need a network. MSNBC will never ever be the answer.

[doc03]

1. There was MSNBC that was more honest. But

since the election they are going out of there way to normalize the Orange pos. For fear of getting on his shit list mo doubt.

[Ninga]

3. Fox would NEVER EVER normalize Dems. EVER.

[gab13by13]

2. If this election was fair

that is my #1 reason that TSF won. Magats spent billions of dollars that flooded the MSM and beyond, and Leon Musk pushed propaganda all over X, which spread to other social media sites.

In Pa. they claim to have spent 400 million, but I bet it was more than that. Democrats cannot compete with that.

[Ninga]

4. Under our current form of funding elections via Citizens United, nothing will change. So it was fair.

1 fucking billion spent in Ohio to defeating Brown.
We need our own network. Period.

[SoFlaBro]

5. There are fucking plenty of Dem pods. The problem's drawing a giant audience via conversations with Dem friendly guests.

That fuckstain Rogan has a 3 hour conversation with some of the most boring, grifting MAGA fuckheads on the planet. But it is a regular guy conversation. That is the appeal of his show. It ain't the motherfucking message. It is something the "Alpha male" braindeads put on in the background and fix their car to or generate their Excel Pivot Tables to or lift a stack of weights to. Dumb guys talking about dumb guy shit. We need an equivalent to build a similar following.

[Ninga]

9. Ok. Let's get that guy! Now!

[SoFlaBro]

19. I think the best fucking approach is to take someone in the middle and have him/her lean left a bit.

That Who's Your Daddy podcast is a great candidate. Long convos. Whole different array of guests. Perfect to target women. Now we would need one for men and "guy shit" like that scumbag Rogan: MMA, huntin', fishin', lifting weights, conspiracies, and dumbing down smart shit.

Put some fucking dark money into these podcasters along with a recommended list of guests to eventually have on. Leave the content to the podcaster.

The shit can't be all politics all the time. That won't keep listeners. Sprinkle in political guests but people friendly to our causes who can message effectively. Pete B. AOC. Newsom. Walz. Even Adam Kinzinger.

The time to do this shit is fucking NOW - not 6 months leading up to the election. Is has to be the entire time that Orange Bastard is in the White House. A steady drumbeat beating that fucking orange shitbag over the head metaphorically speaking.

[taxi]

6. No.

We do not need a network in the spirit of Fox to get a message to low information voters. Those networks are in place and they are efficiently doing exactly that.
What we do need to do is utilize those networks by providing self-destructive information to the low information voters - wage a war of attrition to that demographic. This part of the campaign would probably cost little compared to other parts of the messaging plan.

[Ninga]

8. Fox is getting THEIR message to low information voters, that''so what keeps them low information.

If we had a network that spoke in simple terms and reported on every criminal move made by the trump adminstration the network would have more than enough material.

[taxi]

10. Whether they are ignorant, willfully ignorant, or conditioned like Pavlov's dogs doesn't make a difference.

They are who they are and what they choose to expose themselves to is not likely to change. Because of that we can isolate and target them. The objective of such a campaign would not be to increase the blue votes, but to decrease their motivation to vote red. Use conflicting information from one locality to the next, establish an atmosphere of distrust among neighbors.
We don't need their votes. Bringing them into the party is destructive. If they lose trust or interest in republican policies and fail to vote, or vote against republican positions is good enough. You know the saying, I don't have to run faster than the alligator, I just have to run faster than you.

[Ninga]

11. Ok, I think I get it. To isolate and target such voters would take an extremely well funded

underground organization. Would need billionaires to champion.

[taxi]

13. Having billionaires would certainly help.

Whatever it takes. The way things are right now is a bunch of bull, and we need a plan. We have a goal.
That being said, there is no way we can ever rely on the fickle - they will nod their heads in agreement, say whatever they think you want to hear, but as soon as they hear something to the contrary, we lose their vote. Screw them. Let them express their dissatisfaction with their own chosen leaders by withholding their votes.

[Ninga]

7. We need our own network. If we had our own network they could be reporting this exact minute

on Melinda not showing up and using disparaging words to remind people of her green jacket..
They could be reporting on trump not signing the Presidential Transition Act and use words like “cheating, using the office for,his own gain” etc.

[Daveigh]

12. Don't get too hung up on cable networks; they're a dying breed

Not unlike much print media.

I hear what you’re saying.
But they’re all going the way of the dinosaur.
Online streams, podcasts, and non-traditional/non-legacy media are here to say.

I just saw CNN has announced they’re set to “axe” many of their on-air personalities.
It’s just the beginning … and CNN isn’t alone.
The times they are a changin’.

[elocs]

14. Harris lost because more than 9 million people who voted for Biden couldn't be bothered to vote for her.

When it came to her election being about getting out to vote for her, they got out to vote for Trump instead. Oops!

[bdamomma]

15. So the horrible

alternative will be state run government news????? Propaganda all day long. That's why the Russian people are like zombies.

[keep_left]

16. I posted about this the other day. The key is that we need to *support* our own media...

...financially and otherwise. Air America was a good start, but there need to be a lot more, both large and small, when it comes to liberal and left media organizations. There are a few that have been soldiering on for decades (Democracy Now! is one good example), running on a shoestring budget, yet they punch far above their weight. Now it's true that your typical Fox News viewer has probably never heard of DN!, but imagine if there were dozens of variations on that show. That's what could make a difference next time.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219677391#post40

...And that really means more than the one network we tried (Air America), which was not the total failure that some have made of it--Air America launched the careers of a number of personalities, and many of them continue to this day either on other networks or as self-syndicated shows. But the most important thing is that these networks must be supported by both the listeners and the Democratic party. That needs to be seen as an ongoing investment for many years. How long did it take for Fox News to become profitable? And how long did Rush Limbaugh "suck wind in Sacramento", as Randi Rhodes put it? (Her answer: 15 years!)...

...We need to wise up and start creating our own media infrastructure which isn't dependent on MSNBC or other existing organizations. And yes, it needs to be multimodal--it probably is true that radio is a dying format, and podcasts and the internet are the future. However, radio isn't dead yet, and there are still good stations that soldier on (like KTNF in the Twin Cites), often producing their own local content as well. The Democrats need to support these stations, as do other organizations like labor unions and NGOs. Otherwise, I fear we'll continue to be rolled by Fox News and their imitators for years to come.

[Zeitghost]

17. Cable news is a dying media

Fox and CNN are watched by 2M-4M people regularly.

The Trump interview on Rogan reached 75M viewers across multiple platforms.

[BannonsLiver]

18. Cable TV is dying

What you want needs to happen on social media platforms and podcasts

[Ninga]

20. Let's you and I ( god willing) revisit this in 2 and 4

years. I say Fox has their hands around our throats.

[BannonsLiver]

21. The same olds will be watching Fox

But even outside of politics nobody believes cable tv is “the future” of mass communications.

[JI7]

22. It's not cable News. It's social media and things like Joe Rogan

And it's not always directly political. Especially how they weaponized the transgender issue.