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bigtree

(90,287 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:42 PM Nov 12

I fully expect the actual reams of evidence Garland and Smith gathered on Trump to be dismissed by the same DOJ critics

...who claimed all throughout none of it would ever result in indictments.

I thoroughly expect the deluge of 'Garland lost the election' canard to continue to obscure any discussion of the actual crimes and evidence of those crimes DOJ uncovered, if and when Jack Smith releases a final report.

What's more, I expect to see a wave of complaints if he doesn't let Trump fire him, ostensibly advantaging some idea of a later prosecution.

I expect this because that's what I experienced for four years of trying to highlight the work Garland's DOJ did since 2021 to secure evidence and make it available to grand juries by successfully defending it all through myriad, successive appeals all the way to the Supreme Court, including successfully fighting in several appeals courts with dozens of judges to have the attorney client privileges of Trump's top aides and attorneys removed so they would be compelled to testify and tell all they know.

All of that will be in a final report. I'll be surprised if it's not also obscured by the constant focus of ire on the people actually doing the job of collecting evidence and defending it.

I'm really looking forward to the accounting, but I'm expecting many of those same voices that diverted everyone they could from even noticing the product of all that work by a couple dozen of the best prosecutors in the nation, in favor of this silly expectation that all we needed to do was wait for the DOJ to win the election for us, to whinge until it's out of our focus.

Or even worse, complain that we can't advantage that fight against Trump with the clear and witness-corroborated evidence Garland and Smith spent their time gathering since 2021, because of the insistence from his many critics, which we all heard over and over, that they weren't actually doing all of that investigating that from the start.

I'm just a witness to the shitshow, now. Maybe a handful of people ever paid any attention to the DOJ efforts or evidence I posted, and I'm less and less willing to run that gauntlet of snark with my facts and legal developments.

Most were full of ridicule and dismissals, and silly suppositions that DOJ was supposed to win the election for us with ANOTHER multi-felony indictment other than the one he was just convicted of.

I mean, it will be kinda awkward to keep that falderal up in the face of clear evidence to the contrary, if we see a report. Can't wait to see what happens, if that happens.

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I fully expect the actual reams of evidence Garland and Smith gathered on Trump to be dismissed by the same DOJ critics (Original Post) bigtree Nov 12 OP
It Doesn't Matter SoCalDavidS Nov 12 #1
It's out of our control. Period. live love laugh Nov 12 #2
maybe bigtree Nov 12 #3
Of course. But for now IIWII. live love laugh Nov 12 #4
"Those that vote BigMin28 Nov 12 #6
Keep counting! keithbvadu2 Nov 12 #12
You assume that Congress will have a role gab13by13 Nov 12 #7
You are in the minority bigtree with gab13by13 Nov 12 #5
Dismissed but not destroyed. Held for posterity to show his part in the fall of democracy. Jit423 Nov 12 #8
Emptywheel had a great post about this yesterday: Fiendish Thingy Nov 12 #9
I read it, gab13by13 Nov 12 #10
No, actually she proved there was no inaction by Garland Fiendish Thingy Nov 12 #14
Too bad Garland didn't use the same vigor and timeliness for Trump gab13by13 Nov 12 #11
I don't see, and would be totally surprise, if, Merrick the Meek, releases any thing IMO republianmushroom Nov 12 #13

BigMin28

(1,487 posts)
6. "Those that vote
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:06 PM
Nov 12

decide nothing. Those that count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin.
They control everything now.

gab13by13

(25,402 posts)
7. You assume that Congress will have a role
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:19 PM
Nov 12

in government in 2 years. Dictators don't have to obey Congress. The Supreme Court made Trump king.

It will take generations to go back to where we were pre-Garland. Dictators aren't removed by legislation or courts. Dictators are removed when they die or are ousted by a revolution.

The United States is going to be doing what Putin and our South African oligarchs tell us to do.

Leon Musk has top secret security clearances and we know that he speaks with Putin a lot and Garland never once had the FBI talk to him or investigate him. Musk talked with Putin and shortly after, posted Putin's "peace plan" on X.
Musk talked with Putin and Musk limited Ukraine and Taiwan to the use of StarLink.

Do you think that Leon Musk should be investigated, or should we wait until Trump takes over?

gab13by13

(25,402 posts)
5. You are in the minority bigtree with
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:05 PM
Nov 12

the people in the know, not me, who agree that Garland waited too long.

There were a lot more people than Trump who Garland could have prosecuted.

Garland shit canned criminal referrals from the J6 committee for Ken Chesebro and Mark Meadows. The J6 committee had the evidence for indictments.

Garland shit canned a criminal referral from Michigan AG, Dana Nessel to prosecute her fake electors. She waited 1 year for Garland to act and then she prosecuted them herself.

Merrick Garland was either afraid of Trump or complicit.

The day the FBI found those boxes of classified documents at Mar-el-Loco, an arrest warrant should have been issued for Trump. Our foreign agents died because Trump had access to those classified documents. One of our foreign agents was whisked out of Russia in the Knick of time before he was killed of imprisoned.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Tell me truthfully that you believe it was a proper time frame for Garland's actions regarding the theft of top secret classified documents by Trump.

Sandy Berger stole 4 classified documents and he was punished more than Trump. Well. Trump was never punished, instead Trump is going after Jack Smith, how ironic. Jack Smith better leave the country.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,806 posts)
14. No, actually she proved there was no inaction by Garland
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 03:48 PM
Nov 12

And that Roberts and the MAGA SCOTUS are the true villains of the story, not Garland.

gab13by13

(25,402 posts)
11. Too bad Garland didn't use the same vigor and timeliness for Trump
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 02:46 PM
Nov 12

that he used to go after Hunter and Joe Biden.

Garland will also be remembered for prosecuting Hunter Biden for a crime that is almost never prosecuted.

Meanwhile, Jared Kushner Kushner gets a 2 billion dollar thank you from Saudi Arabia. Wonder what Jared did while he was working in the White House to deserve that?

republianmushroom

(18,179 posts)
13. I don't see, and would be totally surprise, if, Merrick the Meek, releases any thing IMO
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 03:35 PM
Nov 12

The Unredacted Mueller report, I believe, says it all.

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