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pat_k

(10,879 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:28 PM Nov 12

Mechanism to compel a government official ...

... to perform a duty as legally required or cease a legally prohibited action: Writ of Mandamus.

Lawyers? Any thoughts?

Civil Resource Manual
215. Mandamus

McCune v. United States, 374 F. Supp. 946 (S.D.N.Y. 1974). 28 U.S.C. § 1361, giving the United States district court jurisdiction of "an action in the nature of mandamus to compel an officer or employee of the United States or any agency thereof to perform a duty owed to the plaintiff," speaks only of compelling an officer or employee. The committee reports accompanying this enactment make clear that the legislation did not create new liabilities or new causes of action against the United States.


The writ must be issued in all cases where there is not a plain, speedy and adequate remedy in the ordinary course of law. It must be issued upon affidavit on the application of the party beneficially interested.


Lawyers please weigh in. There is lot on the use of writs of mandamus by a superior court to compel inferior court action, compliance with a court order, or as a "back door" appeal, but what about petitions for a writ of mandamus on behalf of citizens as parties with a beneficial interest in compelling an employee or head of an executive branch department to stop an abuse of law or to act to enforce laws being ignored? Or are the duties of such employees too vague to enforce? Seems at a minimum, those who take the oath to uphold the Constitution could be compelled to cease actions (or inactions) that violate it.

I have no doubt we will have a host of people in the administration commiting such abuses and failures. The question is, could mandamus be used to, at a minimum, highlight the depth and breadth of the lawlessness and incompetence?
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Mechanism to compel a government official ... (Original Post) pat_k Nov 12 OP
I doubt it will help unless they can pull Mandamus Class Action bucolic_frolic Nov 12 #1
I would think a single citizen has a "beneficial interest"... pat_k Nov 12 #2
you're right. I was being a wise-cracker. /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 12 #3
I think the shell shock is making me obtuse (nt) pat_k Nov 12 #7
Ha ha Irish_Dem Nov 12 #4
Not all circuits are corrupt: DC, 4th, 9th, 10th pat_k Nov 12 #5
The judges who are not corrupt are afraid and timid. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #6
I live in hope pat_k Nov 12 #8
Hope and optimism are good traits. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #9
The realist sees reality as concrete. The optimist pat_k Nov 12 #10

bucolic_frolic

(47,165 posts)
1. I doubt it will help unless they can pull Mandamus Class Action
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:33 PM
Nov 12

because they'll all be doing it and all US Citizens are impacted.

pat_k

(10,879 posts)
2. I would think a single citizen has a "beneficial interest"...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:39 PM
Nov 12

... in the lawful execution of our laws through the executive branch. It is a petition that could prompt courts like the DC circuit that are actually interested in the rule of law to act. And in fact, from reading as a lay person, courts can issue such writs sua sponte (court takes action without a request from the parties involved).



pat_k

(10,879 posts)
5. Not all circuits are corrupt: DC, 4th, 9th, 10th
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:59 PM
Nov 12

A lawyer would have to weigh in but from what I can gather a petition for writ of mandamus could be filed with any federal circuit.

Irish_Dem

(58,516 posts)
6. The judges who are not corrupt are afraid and timid.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:07 PM
Nov 12

They cannot apply justice to someone rich and powerful.

pat_k

(10,879 posts)
8. I live in hope
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:16 PM
Nov 12

Or do my best to.

"Every optimist moves along with progress and hastens it, while every pessimist would keep the worlds at a standstill. The consequence of pessimism in the life of a nation is the same as in the life of the individual. Pessimism kills the instinct that urges men to struggle against poverty, ignorance and crime, and dries up all the fountains of joy in the world."
— Helen Keller


"They tried to t know we were seeds."
— Dinos Christianopoulos

pat_k

(10,879 posts)
10. The realist sees reality as concrete. The optimist
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:29 PM
Nov 12

...sees reality as clay.
-- Robert Brault

On edit: "on concrete" to "as concert"... At least the error gave me a chuckle.

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