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****BREAKING****Trump to establish commission to purge generals (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 12 OP
Any additional details? nt vanessa_ca Nov 12 #1
It's behind a paywall but this link shows two paragraphs of the article AverageOldGuy Nov 12 #62
No pay wall. littlemissmartypants Nov 12 #85
Many thanks! n/t vanessa_ca Nov 12 #92
My pleasure, vanessa_ca. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Nov 12 #93
Thank you n/t vanessa_ca Nov 12 #91
I just saw this. Horse with no Name Nov 12 #2
He hasn't been sworn in how can he do an executive order/ Autumn Nov 12 #10
It is an order that will be ready to go on Day 1 Horse with no Name Nov 12 #14
The same day his EO that allows him to appoint whoever, wherever, without vetting, for life, goes into effect. Runningdawg Nov 12 #39
If you recall he started doing this B.See Nov 12 #21
He must have his own personal army. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #30
Not just his own personal army. His B.See Nov 12 #51
Psychopaths think everything belongs to them. Irish_Dem Nov 12 #54
Well, the military will either S or get off the pot. Do they swear to uphold the Constitution or to Trump? Jit423 Nov 12 #52
I warned of the possibility... B.See Nov 12 #56
Every time I brought this up I was moniss Nov 12 #66
yep. me too. B.See Nov 12 #90
yes Meowmee Nov 12 #89
We knew this was coming LilElf70 Nov 12 #73
They should all have spoken up when he was in office. Like Garlands Autumn Nov 12 #3
I never gave any credence to warnings about civil war happening... but this is the only thing I think would cause one. kysrsoze Nov 12 #4
I did. Cha Nov 12 #33
Shouldn't be surprising peggysue2 Nov 12 #5
Yup, just like Hitlers SS troops...uff nt mitch96 Nov 12 #49
How does he "purge" Geneals.. Kick them out of Cha Nov 12 #6
Have them executed Bettie Nov 12 #25
Defenestration -- it's Putin's fave just now. Of course in the case of Russian generals, they can be assigned... Hekate Nov 12 #61
All the dictators do it Prairie Gates Nov 12 #7
project 2025 begins samsingh Nov 12 #8
Yep Demovictory9 Nov 12 #13
Will there be show trials? dalton99a Nov 12 #9
He can just purge Generals on a whim? sheshe2 Nov 12 #11
Short answer yes for reassigning them, unclear about purging vanessa_ca Nov 12 #29
I'd bet this Supreme Court would have a majority allowing him to remove anyone from the military without reason muriel_volestrangler Nov 12 #47
Frightening! n/t vanessa_ca Nov 12 #88
He can remove them from their positions but he can't kick them Ontheboundry Nov 12 #69
They'll be much more likely to follow unconstitutional directives usregimechange Nov 12 #12
Time for Dark Brandon to phone in the Navy Seals. GreenWave Nov 12 #15
I would welcome a military coup about now. Cartoonist Nov 12 #16
For the 100th time: No, we do not want a military coup Hekate Nov 12 #64
Trump's coup Cartoonist Nov 12 #96
Inviting a military coup. roamer65 Nov 12 #17
You're overestimating how the average person in the military AkFemDem Nov 12 #45
Trump is not considering... jmowreader Nov 12 #18
If DU knows about it the Generals already know about it Beachnutt Nov 12 #36
Keys to what.!?! SQUEE Nov 12 #95
What could possibly go wrong? Initech Nov 12 #19
So a Banana Republic with loyal generals. Trust in the economy bronxiteforever Nov 12 #20
You mean like Night of the Long Knives? raccoon Nov 12 #22
Putin wins! Kid Berwyn Nov 12 #23
I'm reminded of the Saddam Hussein video superpatriotman Nov 12 #24
Burning down the Reichstag C_U_L8R Nov 12 #26
Nothing to see here Renew Deal Nov 12 #27
Hitler was a great military mind too. Turbineguy Nov 12 #28
Paging General Pinochet moondust Nov 12 #31
A clear intent to have his generals do what others would never do. /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 12 #32
WE need to start fucking messaging about this Orange motherfucker: "Trump weakens military putting troops at risk" SoFlaBro Nov 12 #34
trump hasn't walked into his first day Tickle Nov 12 #37
That Orange Sack of Dogshit campaigned from the fucking Saturday back in November 2020 to 11/5/24 SoFlaBro Nov 12 #40
Yeah, we should wait until he starts purging generals then write him a stern letter Ilikepurple Nov 12 #82
Media reporting this.... Lovie777 Nov 12 #35
Not so much, surprised? Captain Zero Nov 12 #81
These outrageous and dangerous decisions are just La Coliniere Nov 12 #38
Where's that OP that Cha Nov 12 #41
His aim is to make them fear him so they will follow his orders... kentuck Nov 12 #42
GOs serve at the pleasure of the President Aviation Pro Nov 12 #43
What's a GO? littlemissmartypants Nov 12 #55
General Officer Aviation Pro Nov 12 #83
Thank you. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Nov 12 #84
Who is leaking this and why? SARose Nov 12 #44
President Psychopath doesn't littlemissmartypants Nov 12 #58
True that! Ha SARose Nov 12 #94
Just Like Hitler Did! Who da Thunk It? MrWowWow Nov 12 #46
Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934 keithbvadu2 Nov 12 #48
Of course we just elected a dictatorship. Were you expecting something else? ColinC Nov 12 #50
I'm curious if he is gonna re instate the generals that trashed him in the election. Then court-martial them. mitch96 Nov 12 #53
HERE IS THE WSJ ARTICLE AverageOldGuy Nov 12 #57
Please, give me a break - a "warrior board"? haele Nov 12 #78
Notice this part? "The Trump transition team is CONSIDERING..." ancianita Nov 12 #79
So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause. groundloop Nov 12 #59
Please back this up. it is a waste of our time otherwise. Amaryllis Nov 12 #60
It's the first item on their website. Boomerproud Nov 12 #63
If you google "trump to purge generals" SilasSouleII Nov 12 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #65
Heil Hitler Emile Nov 12 #67
He knows the ones currently in place won't follow illegal orders. nt Susan Calvin Nov 12 #68
So the convicted felon, now mad king, will get his... Justice matters. Nov 12 #70
Do you think there will be a military coup in response? poli-junkie Nov 12 #71
Turn the fan on "HI". LilElf70 Nov 12 #75
What do you mean? poli-junkie Nov 12 #77
I don't see any LilElf70 Nov 12 #80
Is he going to purge non-white males? Beck23 Nov 12 #74
At some point loyal sycophant or not will pay the price for following an unlawful order...levin worth PortTack Nov 12 #76
I was looking for a ray of Sunshine in this Cha Nov 12 #87
W T H? liberalla Nov 12 #86

littlemissmartypants

(25,898 posts)
85. No pay wall.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:38 PM
Nov 12
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Horse with no Name

(34,076 posts)
2. I just saw this.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:35 PM
Nov 12

Chilling. He is going to purge “woke” Generals and only allow those that are loyal to him. New executive order from today.

Runningdawg

(4,630 posts)
39. The same day his EO that allows him to appoint whoever, wherever, without vetting, for life, goes into effect.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:16 PM
Nov 12

His cult has had 10 years to draft the legislation and move their puppets into place. The barbarians are at the gates.

B.See

(3,823 posts)
21. If you recall he started doing this
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:57 PM
Nov 12

before he lost the last election.

He was setting the stage for it by denigrating America's military leadership.

And WHY, do you think, would a fascist, DICTATOR for life-elect want a military full of LOYALISTS?

Irish_Dem

(59,697 posts)
30. He must have his own personal army.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:08 PM
Nov 12

And Putin has ordered a weak US military and lack of national security.

B.See

(3,823 posts)
51. Not just his own personal army. His
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:41 PM
Nov 12

own EVERYTHING. Absolute control.

He's already demanded that the Senate allow him to appoint whoever, willy nilly, without any vetting of any sort, he'll certainly
demand no confirmation of his picks for the already illegitimate SC..

add to that a maga controlled Congress, and government filled with LOYALISTS...

People still don't get it. They talk of four years, and who to run in 2028 as if that'll ever happen... it WON'T.

Face it, democracy in the US as we KNEW it, is gone.

Irish_Dem

(59,697 posts)
54. Psychopaths think everything belongs to them.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:46 PM
Nov 12

They are the only stars in the show, the rest of us are just props in the fantasy in their head.

Yes he will take everything, break all the laws, do what he wants.

No one can or will stop him.

Yes we have a good chance of never regaining the democracy we had.

Jit423

(429 posts)
52. Well, the military will either S or get off the pot. Do they swear to uphold the Constitution or to Trump?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:42 PM
Nov 12

Is a military coup brewing if Trump goes too far? Never thought America would come to this.

LilElf70

(545 posts)
73. We knew this was coming
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:16 PM
Nov 12

He told us. Ad he's just starting. He will destroy the military, the DOJ, the department of education, our democracy. More to come.

He's really pushing the button now. Look out.

kysrsoze

(6,175 posts)
4. I never gave any credence to warnings about civil war happening... but this is the only thing I think would cause one.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:40 PM
Nov 12

This is really, really messed up.

peggysue2

(11,515 posts)
5. Shouldn't be surprising
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:40 PM
Nov 12

Trump wants generals who will execute his orders without hesitation, legal or not.

We're about to enter the Dark Side.

Hekate

(95,287 posts)
61. Defenestration -- it's Putin's fave just now. Of course in the case of Russian generals, they can be assigned...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:01 PM
Nov 12

…to lead from the front as well.

vanessa_ca

(70 posts)
29. Short answer yes for reassigning them, unclear about purging
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:08 PM
Nov 12

Flag officers serve in their positions at the pleasure of the President, and he can immediately remove them from their roles and reassign them to an insignificant position.
Purging them from the military is another matter where there's an unclear slippery slope.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,693 posts)
47. I'd bet this Supreme Court would have a majority allowing him to remove anyone from the military without reason
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:04 PM
Nov 12

and probably with loss of pension. And he'd carry on doing that to anyone who pushed back against the policy, until only brown-nosers were left, if needed.

Ontheboundry

(302 posts)
69. He can remove them from their positions but he can't kick them
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:11 PM
Nov 12

Out afaik.

He will be the commander in chief, so sending them to Alaska to guard near shit is completely legal unfortunately.

Cartoonist

(7,558 posts)
96. Trump's coup
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:32 PM
Nov 12

How is purging generals loyal to the constitution while retaining those loyal to Trump not a coup?

AkFemDem

(2,194 posts)
45. You're overestimating how the average person in the military
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:38 PM
Nov 12

Feels about flag officers in general.

They’re viewed as political creatures who care most about their own resumes and futures - often at the expense of the men and women who serve under them. The military isn’t going to stage a coup over this.

jmowreader

(51,604 posts)
18. Trump is not considering...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 04:50 PM
Nov 12

...that generals have keys to motor pools and arms rooms. And they all know each other.

We're running into a situation where these guys might finally decide they've had enough of Trump's shit and remove him from office. I don't think they'd shoot him, but a one-way trip to the stockade for the entire Trump Dictatorship could result.

"But who the fuck are we going to get to replace him?"
"Go get Obama. He still believes in America. He can be a caretaker until we can call another election."
"What do we do if he won't come?"
"He will. He's a patriot."

Beachnutt

(8,178 posts)
36. If DU knows about it the Generals already know about it
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:14 PM
Nov 12

Wonder what is being said in the high command about it right now.

SQUEE

(1,320 posts)
95. Keys to what.!?!
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 08:56 PM
Nov 12

Flush out your head gear, the snake-eaters and doorkickers don't give a shit about the brass. Some 4 stars gonna raid the arms room and try and stack up and clear a room? They couldn't go kinetic on church picnic.

Only thing that worries them is losing clearance and a chance to start making that real money at Raytheon and Lockheed.

They'll lick the boot.

superpatriotman

(6,575 posts)
24. I'm reminded of the Saddam Hussein video
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:00 PM
Nov 12

Where he has his goons pull out lawmakers one at a time during a full assembly.


?si=AHgsvS8ilap59DtG



I’m sure old fatass has watched it many times fully erect.

C_U_L8R

(45,764 posts)
26. Burning down the Reichstag
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:03 PM
Nov 12

And eliminating every obstacle in his way to total power and control. Sickening.

SoFlaBro

(3,363 posts)
34. WE need to start fucking messaging about this Orange motherfucker: "Trump weakens military putting troops at risk"
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:11 PM
Nov 12

SoFlaBro

(3,363 posts)
40. That Orange Sack of Dogshit campaigned from the fucking Saturday back in November 2020 to 11/5/24
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:17 PM
Nov 12

La Coliniere

(1,066 posts)
38. These outrageous and dangerous decisions are just
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:15 PM
Nov 12

what we expected to happen. Can’t wait for the next fascist decision…NOT!!

kentuck

(112,957 posts)
42. His aim is to make them fear him so they will follow his orders...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:18 PM
Nov 12

...be they legal or not.

A disturbing report that shows the direction he is headed.

Could there ever be a "military coup" in this country?

Aviation Pro

(13,569 posts)
43. GOs serve at the pleasure of the President
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:18 PM
Nov 12

And can be sacked at any time.

I wonder if Motherfucker is going to start with female GOs then move on to those he doesn't like?

Also, will he put an end to females in Combat Arms and their ability to go to the various SOF schools. Probably.

How about stripping the tabs and devices of those females who have passed those courses (Ranger School, Special Forces Qualification Course, Special Warfare Combat Crewmember, etc.).

How about flight training?

SARose

(858 posts)
44. Who is leaking this and why?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:38 PM
Nov 12

Trump is a bully and these are bully tactics.

Little hands can sign all the executive orders he wants. Implementing them is another thing.

Can Presidents ‘fire’ senior military officers? Generally, yes…but it’s complicated

Snip

A little history: up until the end of the Civil War, the President exercised virtually unconstrained power to dismiss military officers. However, in 1865 Congress passed legislation which purports to limit that power. That legislation was essentially the same as that found today codified in 10 USC § 1161(a).

The legitimacy of Congress imposing statutory restrictions on the authority of the President to remove military officers was initially “subject of doubt and discussion.” It remains controversial even today, particularly since there doesn’t seem to be a case precisely on point as to the constitutionality.

Nevertheless, the better view does seem to suggest that Congress has the power to set some limits on the President’s dismissal authority – at least in times of peace. That power would be properly founded in Congress’ Article I, Section 8, Clause 14 authority to “make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces.” Still, the “President’s power of dismissal in time of war [is something] Congress has never attempted to limit.”

So what does 10 U.S.C. § 1161(a) provide? Here is the text:

(a) No commissioned officer may be dismissed from any armed force except—

(1) by sentence of a general court-martial;

(2) in commutation of a sentence of a general court-martial; or

(3) in time of war, by order of the President.


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littlemissmartypants

(25,898 posts)
58. President Psychopath doesn't
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:52 PM
Nov 12

Follow no stinkin' laws. Laws are for losers. Everyone knows that!



MrWowWow

(431 posts)
46. Just Like Hitler Did! Who da Thunk It?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 05:40 PM
Nov 12

Hitler carried out purges among his military leaders after taking office. A significant example was the Night of the Long Knives in 1934, primarily aimed at eliminating potential rivals and consolidating power. While the main targets were the SA (Sturmabteilung) leadership, some army officers who opposed Hitler were affected. Later, during the war, Hitler dismissed or sidelined many generals who either disagreed with his strategies or failed to meet his expectations, further consolidating his control over the military.

-ChatGPT

keithbvadu2

(40,507 posts)
48. Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:06 PM
Nov 12

Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-fuehrer-oath

(before August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will at all times loyally and honestly
serve my people and country
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

The Fuehrer Oath
(effective August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will render unconditional obedience
to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,
Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht,
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

mitch96

(14,767 posts)
53. I'm curious if he is gonna re instate the generals that trashed him in the election. Then court-martial them.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:43 PM
Nov 12

I would not put it past him...
m

AverageOldGuy

(2,171 posts)
57. HERE IS THE WSJ ARTICLE
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 06:52 PM
Nov 12

Actually, here's only part of it -- it's behind a paywall but this part is terrifying.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-draft-executive-order-would-create-board-to-purge-generals-7ebaa606https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-draft-executive-order-would-create-board-to-purge-generals-7ebaa606
]

WASHINGTON—The Trump transition team is considering a draft executive order that establishes a “warrior board” of retired senior military personnel with the power to review three- and four-star officers and to recommend removals of any deemed unfit for leadership.

If Donald Trump approves the order, it could fast-track the removal of generals and admirals found to be “lacking in requisite leadership qualities,” according to a draft of the order reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. But it could also create a chilling effect on top military officers, given the president-elect’s past vow to fire “woke generals,” referring to officers seen as promoting diversity in the ranks at the expense of military readiness.

haele

(13,648 posts)
78. Please, give me a break - a "warrior board"?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:26 PM
Nov 12

Okay, Flynn and a couple of REMF Christo-Fascists Jack D. Ripper types who got kicked out as soon as it was discovered they used their eagle or stars to abuse those they were supposed to command.
God and Trump.



Haele

Boomerproud

(8,474 posts)
63. It's the first item on their website.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:03 PM
Nov 12

Will be done by Executive Order. Couldn't access the article. Assuming it goes into detail about the legalities.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Justice matters.

(7,585 posts)
70. So the convicted felon, now mad king, will get his...
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:13 PM
Nov 12

Military Parade in the streets of DC with tanks and missile launcher trucks

Just like his pals Putin and Kim Jung Un he is jealous of...

Broken streets of that city full of Liberals be damn I guess.

poli-junkie

(1,157 posts)
71. Do you think there will be a military coup in response?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:13 PM
Nov 12

Is the military going to lay down and take this???

LilElf70

(545 posts)
75. Turn the fan on "HI".
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:21 PM
Nov 12

The shit is going to hit the fan. It will hit the fan hard. There will be shit everywhere. Count on it.

LilElf70

(545 posts)
80. I don't see any
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:30 PM
Nov 12

of this f'ing bullshit going to go over well in this country. Many will not be happy, and the shit will definitely hit the fan.

Beck23

(244 posts)
74. Is he going to purge non-white males?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:18 PM
Nov 12

Sounds like he also wants to remove women and people of color from the military.

PortTack

(34,830 posts)
76. At some point loyal sycophant or not will pay the price for following an unlawful order...levin worth
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:22 PM
Nov 12

Cha

(305,853 posts)
87. I was looking for a ray of Sunshine in this
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 08:17 PM
Nov 12

thread and I found it.

Mahalo, PortTack

Something I never thought I'd say.. I'm worried for the Generals who don't follow Fascist Unlawful Treasonous Assholes.

liberalla

(10,089 posts)
86. W T H?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 08:15 PM
Nov 12

Is he going to have them sign a document? Or swear an oath?
How is he determining how loyal a general will be???

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