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vanessa_ca
(70 posts)AverageOldGuy
(2,171 posts)littlemissmartypants
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vanessa_ca
(70 posts)littlemissmartypants
(25,898 posts)vanessa_ca
(70 posts)Horse with no Name
(34,076 posts)Chilling. He is going to purge woke Generals and only allow those that are loyal to him. New executive order from today.
Autumn
(46,662 posts)Horse with no Name
(34,076 posts)I am not sure how it was released
Runningdawg
(4,630 posts)His cult has had 10 years to draft the legislation and move their puppets into place. The barbarians are at the gates.
B.See
(3,823 posts)before he lost the last election.
He was setting the stage for it by denigrating America's military leadership.
And WHY, do you think, would a fascist, DICTATOR for life-elect want a military full of LOYALISTS?
Irish_Dem
(59,697 posts)And Putin has ordered a weak US military and lack of national security.
B.See
(3,823 posts)own EVERYTHING. Absolute control.
He's already demanded that the Senate allow him to appoint whoever, willy nilly, without any vetting of any sort, he'll certainly
demand no confirmation of his picks for the already illegitimate SC..
add to that a maga controlled Congress, and government filled with LOYALISTS...
People still don't get it. They talk of four years, and who to run in 2028 as if that'll ever happen... it WON'T.
Face it, democracy in the US as we KNEW it, is gone.
Irish_Dem
(59,697 posts)They are the only stars in the show, the rest of us are just props in the fantasy in their head.
Yes he will take everything, break all the laws, do what he wants.
No one can or will stop him.
Yes we have a good chance of never regaining the democracy we had.
Jit423
(429 posts)Is a military coup brewing if Trump goes too far? Never thought America would come to this.
B.See
(3,823 posts)in 2016.
moniss
(6,150 posts)chastised about it. Now here we are.
was called 'chicken little.'
and it is obvious why
LilElf70
(545 posts)He told us. Ad he's just starting. He will destroy the military, the DOJ, the department of education, our democracy. More to come.
He's really pushing the button now. Look out.
Autumn
(46,662 posts)doj, too little too late.
kysrsoze
(6,175 posts)This is really, really messed up.
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peggysue2
(11,515 posts)Trump wants generals who will execute his orders without hesitation, legal or not.
We're about to enter the Dark Side.
mitch96
(14,767 posts)Cha
(305,853 posts)the Military?
GD him to HELL.
Bettie
(17,389 posts)publicly.
Hekate
(95,287 posts)to lead from the front as well.
Prairie Gates
(3,568 posts)samsingh
(17,900 posts)dalton99a
(84,881 posts)sheshe2
(88,147 posts)vanessa_ca
(70 posts)Flag officers serve in their positions at the pleasure of the President, and he can immediately remove them from their roles and reassign them to an insignificant position.
Purging them from the military is another matter where there's an unclear slippery slope.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,693 posts)and probably with loss of pension. And he'd carry on doing that to anyone who pushed back against the policy, until only brown-nosers were left, if needed.
vanessa_ca
(70 posts)Ontheboundry
(302 posts)Out afaik.
He will be the commander in chief, so sending them to Alaska to guard near shit is completely legal unfortunately.
usregimechange
(18,497 posts)GreenWave
(9,442 posts)IQ 47 should not mess with the military brass.
Cartoonist
(7,558 posts)Anything is better than Trump.
Hekate
(95,287 posts)Cartoonist
(7,558 posts)How is purging generals loyal to the constitution while retaining those loyal to Trump not a coup?
roamer65
(37,230 posts)AkFemDem
(2,194 posts)Feels about flag officers in general.
Theyre viewed as political creatures who care most about their own resumes and futures - often at the expense of the men and women who serve under them. The military isnt going to stage a coup over this.
jmowreader
(51,604 posts)...that generals have keys to motor pools and arms rooms. And they all know each other.
We're running into a situation where these guys might finally decide they've had enough of Trump's shit and remove him from office. I don't think they'd shoot him, but a one-way trip to the stockade for the entire Trump Dictatorship could result.
"But who the fuck are we going to get to replace him?"
"Go get Obama. He still believes in America. He can be a caretaker until we can call another election."
"What do we do if he won't come?"
"He will. He's a patriot."
Beachnutt
(8,178 posts)Wonder what is being said in the high command about it right now.
SQUEE
(1,320 posts)Flush out your head gear, the snake-eaters and doorkickers don't give a shit about the brass. Some 4 stars gonna raid the arms room and try and stack up and clear a room? They couldn't go kinetic on church picnic.
Only thing that worries them is losing clearance and a chance to start making that real money at Raytheon and Lockheed.
They'll lick the boot.
Initech
(102,511 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,554 posts)Will crash with a military government.
raccoon
(31,515 posts)Kid Berwyn
(18,343 posts)Thanks, Shitler.
superpatriotman
(6,575 posts)Where he has his goons pull out lawmakers one at a time during a full assembly.
Im sure old fatass has watched it many times fully erect.
C_U_L8R
(45,764 posts)And eliminating every obstacle in his way to total power and control. Sickening.
Renew Deal
(83,065 posts)Turbineguy
(38,503 posts)Oh wait, never mind.
moondust
(20,515 posts)Orange Blob may need some of your experienced advice on purges and dictatorship.
Military dictatorship of Chile
bucolic_frolic
(47,588 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,363 posts)Tickle
(3,153 posts)Everyone should calm down a bit. No?
SoFlaBro
(3,363 posts)Ilikepurple
(148 posts)Lovie777
(15,227 posts)Captain Zero
(7,577 posts)Nt
La Coliniere
(1,066 posts)what we expected to happen. Cant wait for the next fascist decision NOT!!
Cha
(305,853 posts)Said TSF wasnt a fucking Fascist?!
kentuck
(112,957 posts)...be they legal or not.
A disturbing report that shows the direction he is headed.
Could there ever be a "military coup" in this country?
Aviation Pro
(13,569 posts)And can be sacked at any time.
I wonder if Motherfucker is going to start with female GOs then move on to those he doesn't like?
Also, will he put an end to females in Combat Arms and their ability to go to the various SOF schools. Probably.
How about stripping the tabs and devices of those females who have passed those courses (Ranger School, Special Forces Qualification Course, Special Warfare Combat Crewmember, etc.).
How about flight training?
littlemissmartypants
(25,898 posts)Aviation Pro
(13,569 posts).....
littlemissmartypants
(25,898 posts)SARose
(858 posts)Trump is a bully and these are bully tactics.
Little hands can sign all the executive orders he wants. Implementing them is another thing.
Can Presidents fire senior military officers? Generally, yes
but its complicated
Snip
The legitimacy of Congress imposing statutory restrictions on the authority of the President to remove military officers was initially subject of doubt and discussion. It remains controversial even today, particularly since there doesnt seem to be a case precisely on point as to the constitutionality.
Nevertheless, the better view does seem to suggest that Congress has the power to set some limits on the Presidents dismissal authority at least in times of peace. That power would be properly founded in Congress Article I, Section 8, Clause 14 authority to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces. Still, the Presidents power of dismissal in time of war [is something] Congress has never attempted to limit.
So what does 10 U.S.C. § 1161(a) provide? Here is the text:
(a) No commissioned officer may be dismissed from any armed force except
(1) by sentence of a general court-martial;
(2) in commutation of a sentence of a general court-martial; or
(3) in time of war, by order of the President.
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littlemissmartypants
(25,898 posts)Follow no stinkin' laws. Laws are for losers. Everyone knows that!
SARose
(858 posts)nm
MrWowWow
(431 posts)Hitler carried out purges among his military leaders after taking office. A significant example was the Night of the Long Knives in 1934, primarily aimed at eliminating potential rivals and consolidating power. While the main targets were the SA (Sturmabteilung) leadership, some army officers who opposed Hitler were affected. Later, during the war, Hitler dismissed or sidelined many generals who either disagreed with his strategies or failed to meet his expectations, further consolidating his control over the military.
-ChatGPT
keithbvadu2
(40,507 posts)Oath of Allegiance - Pre and post 1934
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-fuehrer-oath
(before August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will at all times loyally and honestly
serve my people and country
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."
The Fuehrer Oath
(effective August 2, 1934)
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will render unconditional obedience
to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,
Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht,
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."
ColinC
(10,943 posts)mitch96
(14,767 posts)I would not put it past him...
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AverageOldGuy
(2,171 posts)Actually, here's only part of it -- it's behind a paywall but this part is terrifying.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-draft-executive-order-would-create-board-to-purge-generals-7ebaa606https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trump-draft-executive-order-would-create-board-to-purge-generals-7ebaa606
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If Donald Trump approves the order, it could fast-track the removal of generals and admirals found to be lacking in requisite leadership qualities, according to a draft of the order reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. But it could also create a chilling effect on top military officers, given the president-elects past vow to fire woke generals, referring to officers seen as promoting diversity in the ranks at the expense of military readiness.
haele
(13,648 posts)Okay, Flynn and a couple of REMF Christo-Fascists Jack D. Ripper types who got kicked out as soon as it was discovered they used their eagle or stars to abuse those they were supposed to command.
God and Trump.
Haele
ancianita
(38,871 posts)Trump's been threatening to replace generals since this past May.
May 8
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/who-would-help-trump-carry-out-his-promised-purge-of-the-deep-state/
Oct 5
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-woke-dei-military-taskforce-b2624235.html
Nov 10
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/how-trump-presidency-could-lead-purge-pentagon-2024-11-10/
groundloop
(12,386 posts)Amaryllis
(9,833 posts)Boomerproud
(8,474 posts)Will be done by Executive Order. Couldn't access the article. Assuming it goes into detail about the legalities.
SilasSouleII
(451 posts)you can have your pick.
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Emile
(30,787 posts)Susan Calvin
(2,149 posts)Justice matters.
(7,585 posts)Military Parade in the streets of DC with tanks and missile launcher trucks
Just like his pals Putin and Kim Jung Un he is jealous of...
Broken streets of that city full of Liberals be damn I guess.
poli-junkie
(1,157 posts)Is the military going to lay down and take this???
LilElf70
(545 posts)The shit is going to hit the fan. It will hit the fan hard. There will be shit everywhere. Count on it.
poli-junkie
(1,157 posts)LilElf70
(545 posts)of this f'ing bullshit going to go over well in this country. Many will not be happy, and the shit will definitely hit the fan.
Beck23
(244 posts)Sounds like he also wants to remove women and people of color from the military.
PortTack
(34,830 posts)Cha
(305,853 posts)thread and I found it.
Mahalo, PortTack
Something I never thought I'd say.. I'm worried for the Generals who don't follow Fascist Unlawful Treasonous Assholes.
liberalla
(10,089 posts)Is he going to have them sign a document? Or swear an oath?
How is he determining how loyal a general will be???