Everyone just chill.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

The Trump administration is NOT going to be deporting millions of people, illegal or not. Think about it. How many thousands of busses would be needed? How many bus drivers? And assuming those being deported will helpfully go to the Place of Deportation and quietly board those busses, it will take many, many months, nay years.

Same with a lot of the nonsense Trump and those around him are saying. Cut Social Security and Medicare? I guess not a single Republican has an elderly parent who relies on those things.

[poli-junkie]

1. I'm freaking out over the general purge.

[pat_k]

52. Gutting talent from executive agencies..

...is going to be far more destructive than any legislative horror or overt executive action.

Just peruse the list of agencies to get an inkling of the far reaching consequences:
https://www.usa.gov/agency-index

The damage will not be immediately seen or felt by the nation as a whole.

And it will not spark the kind opposition that we will see to overt action through the legislative branch or via executive order. But without a functioning executive branch to execute and enforce, law matters little.

But somehow, we must find ways to convey the message about the devastating effects of crippling these agencies. It goes so far beyond worries about social security and other safety nets.

Perhaps this is finally our opportunity to expose, for once and all, the BIG BIG BIG lie that "Government" is "the problem."

Get Civil Servants out there talking. They are the unsung heroes and need to be heard. Our government is about hard working people doing jobs critical to all of us. Find ways to demand that CNN and FOX actually talk about the consequences. Find the things that are going to shit that they take for granted.

If the decimation is not exposed and opposed, the extent to which the welfare of individuals and businesses, large and small, rely on the effective functioning of executive agencies and the public resources managed will start to become increasingly clear. My completely uninformed guess? Within 18 months. There will be 'inexplicable" crashes in the stock market. There will be a sharp uptick in deaths as our food supply is tainted without intervention. Bizarre and unpredictable effects of massive insider trading will manifest. Just peruse that list and consider what the consequences of purging the people with experience and talent from the various agencies could be.

FOX News and right wing noise machine has demonized "Government" as the problem. They have no clue the extent to which the collective functioning of the massive executive branch civil service keeps their pockets lined and ensures so many things the nation simply takes for granted.

I see this as a possible opportunity for the polity to get clear about our collective reliance the public resources that make up our government.

[Elessar Zappa]

2. I tend to think you're right.

But anything’s possible with these clowns.

[LeftInTX]

54. Mexico needs to accept them.

[bdamomma]

3. He has no

guardrails.

[magicarpet]

4. If they gut Social Security and Medicare,..

..... for the elderly. The next generation is going to have to pick up the tab for parents and grandparents.
40 and 50 year olds are not going to be too happy about that cost being dumped in their laps.

[beaglelover]

5. Agree. I'm not going to let Trump and the right live rent free in my head for the next 4 years.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. Oh what number can people start freaking out about

[GusBob]

7. They are going to use the military

It’s already been discussed

Hence the loyalty pledge/purge

The armed forces can handle the logistics

[Mike Niendorff]

34. THIS.

And if you can't see the fascism coming at this point, you are willfully blind.

The *only* reason to do a pre-emptive purge of the military is to remove oofficers who will remain loyal to the Constitution. They are an obstacle to be pre-emptively eliminated.


MDN

[Macrophylla]

8. Yep

It's doomsday porn.

[multigraincracker]

9. I always figure the further it swings to the right, the further it will swing back to. the left.

Isaac Newton, "to every action there is always opposed an equal reaction".

[The Madcap]

20. Never forget

After Stalingrad, the Russians poured it on Germany ruthlessly in revenge. That's the danger MAGA will face if it goes too far.

[multigraincracker]

49. Hitler got elected with the backing of the farmers.

Then they were the first to get sent to the Russian Front.

[choie]

10. This is a man who separated parents from children.

Anybody who can do that, can do anything.

[Joe_Gadway]

37. That was a terrible atrocity!

[Nigrum Cattus]

11. Not chill'in

Yes, he can do those things. Mussolini & Hitler were restrained until
they had control of the military, look it up. Search "night of the long knifes"

[Jit423]

17. Actually go to Netflix where there is a slew of documentaries about Nazi Germany and Hitler that most are unaware of.

Lots of footage and live video of the Nuremberg trials. Mind blowing. Hitler's inner circle has a clone of everyone of them in the Trump proposed administration.

[The Madcap]

21. Best documentary on this

That I have seen is War Against Himanity on YouTube. It is a bunch of episodes done in chronological order. Not just the Holocaust, but Japan, Italy, Russia, etc., in the runup and during WW2. Can't recommend it highly enough if you can carve out an hour a week for several months.

[greyl]

39. Link here:

[The Wandering Harper]

42. I watched every episode

rec'd

[Silent Type]

12. Don't think he'll be successful, but he will deport some, scare millions of others, make lives miserable, etc.

Its just not necessary to hurt good people.

[The Madcap]

13. I am more worried about

Them figuring out that a few backhoes and cases of bullets are cheaper than going through the proper process. Abbott would likely allow a few thousand trenches to be dug in West TX.

[LiberalLoner]

18. That's exactly what I expect to happen.

[ecstatic]

24. Holy crap

I was worried about torture camps and slavery. But you're right.. they could resort to just killing folks. That's a terrible thought.

[The Madcap]

27. I had read that the average cost ro deport someone is $10K.

If correct, the cost to deport 10 million people would be $100 billion.

[LeftInTX]

55. 65 million?

[NickB79]

14. I think you are 100% wrong

They're talking about deploying the military and Special Forces along the border.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19709087

They're talking about raiding workplaces.

https://thehill.com/latino/4984064-trump-administration-workplace-raids/

They're talking about de-naturalizing US citizens so they can be deported.

https://theimmigrationhub.org/press/gop-plans-to-turbocharge-trumps-denaturalization-project-threaten-the-nations-core-values/

The US already deported 1.1 million people in 2023 under Biden.

https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-people-were-deported-from-the-us/country/united-states/

I have zero faith that this administration isn't going full fucking Nazi in it's 4 years.

[BannonsLiver]

16. +1

I’m amazed that after all we’ve seen that people continue to underestimate him. Will they get 10 million? I have no idea. But I’d bet the house they’re going to try.

[Frank D. Lincoln]

46. Going Full Fucking Nazi.

That's Trump's real slogan, not Make America Great Again.

And it's full fucking Nazi forever, not just for four years.

Bad times are coming.

[edhopper]

15. No

He will put them in camps. I am not "chill".

[Nimble_Idea]

19. the copium is strong

[moonscape]

22. He'll be getting rid of institutional knowledge,

experts in fields across the board. I cannot imagine the cluster it will be for the next Democratic administration, supposing there again will be such a thing, to try & put a functional govt back together again.

The mind boggles.

[ecstatic]

23. Are you in the denial stage or bargaining stage?

He's assembling a collection of thugs to implement mass deportation and yes, all the buses and hired thugs will (ironically) boost the economy, at least temporarily.

[tenderfoot]

25. GASLIGHT!

[EleanorR]

26. I don't think you understand how corrupt autocratic oligarchies work

If you need something, like money for the care home of an elderly relative, you must have something to offer. Everything will become transactional. Jesus look at Russia and Hungary. It's the mob on a political level.

[Klarkashton]

28. Sorry but the ball is already rolling.

[Quiet Em]

29. Not everyone has a comfortable life free from his harm

where they can just chill.

[Diraven]

30. That's what the camps will be for

Foreign countries aren't going to cooperate with taking back millions of people that left decades ago. So the vast majority of the immigrants they arrest will just be held in detention camps for years. And probably made do perform forced labor for rich American companies.

[BlueKota]

31. What part of he is going to purge the military

do you not understand? Whose going to stop him? His six flunkies on the SC?

[carpetbagger]

32. The DoD has those resources.

It's not like we're going to need it to protect the world from tyrants any more. Also, it's not like undocumented laborers can just stay at home like it's covid or something. They've got to be on the worksites and in the fields.

As to Social Security and Medicare, the programs get f'd over first, then the cuts happen. I think you're still living in a world where a debt default isn't more than a 50-50 prospect.

When they try to raise the retirement age to 70 and transition Medicare to a premium support program, I can guarantee you it's all going to be thought of by Serious People as quite reasonable when the deficit floats to the sky on the helium of supply-side tax cuts.

[J_William_Ryan]

33. "The Trump administration is NOT going to be deporting millions of people, illegal or not."

Correct.

In addition to being logistically impossible, immigrants are entitled to due process of the law; each individual immigrant subject to possible deportation must be afforded a hearing before an immigration judge.

Adjudicating each individual case would take decades.

What will happen is that millions of immigrants – undocumented and lawful resident aliens – will be subject to unwarranted harassment and intimidation, their lives needlessly disrupted.

[dpibel]

40. Entitled?

Due process of law?

Have you missed the part about how we don't bother much with that silly stuff anymore?

I do admire your rose-colored optimism.

[LiberalLoner]

47. Exactly. There are no laws anymore, except for what the Dear Leader says there will be.

[soandso]

45. The new border czar, Homan

said they're going to concentrate on those who have already been ordered out of the US by courts.

[LeftInTX]

57. I'm so tired of hearing Trump is gonna deport all

Latinos. Including all citizens. That's 65 million people!
People on DU don't even grasp the population if the Latino community!
That's 1/2 the population of Mexico!

Nazis built crematoriums because of all the bodies. Is Trumo gonna have furnaces for 65 million going?

[misanthrope]

59. How long do naturalized citizens sit in places like Riker's Island awaiting due process?

The prison industry is licking its chops at possible detention contracts.

[applegrove]

35. Ramaswamy brought up his highest caste 'status'

in the nomination race. They've had castes in India for a long time and it didn't go well. These are the types of people Trump is putting into decision making roles. They know nothing about the person on the street in the USA. They are the swamp.

[brush]

36. Betcha orange Mussolini will try it as he thinks he's the great deal maker...

and will persuade some other nation to take the " undesirables."

[LudwigPastorius]

38. _

[IbogaProject]

41. Not at first

The Nazis started with the disabled, the indigent, and labor organizers. They got around to other groups later. Dark times coming rapidly barring an act of God.

[2MuchNoise]

43. First they came for the Socialists,

and I just chilled.

[valleyrogue]

44. There wouldn't be all these undocumented immigrants if

corporations didn't want them here for the cheap labor.

This is why the "immigration issue" is so utterly stupid. It is a deliberate misdirection of where the problem lies.

[jgmiller]

48. Sorry but I'm sure that's what many German's said in the 30's

The problem is not Trump, he really doesn't care if he deports more than a bus load and gets a photo-op. It's the people that he appoints who are the true believers who will do the dirty work with glee.

[notroot]

50. You "think about it".

[Aussie105]

51. I refuse to chill.

Your logic is not applicable.

His deplorable minions fully expect him to do what he promised.

They won't care about logistics, they won't care about the labor market imploding, they just want it done.
Ship the illegal non-Americans out now, today!

To them, the vulgarian utterings from Trump are Golden Promises, and they are likely to take matters into their own hands when they get impatient.

[Otto_Harper]

53. It is truly amazing to watch the Normalcy Bias being expressed by some

Not only here, but figures like Michael Popok and Meidas Touch all talk of Courts and laws as though they mean anything.

I do not think that a Writ of Hocus Pocus, having been issued by a Federal judge, will mean diddly squat to these people. And, what will the judge do next, speak harshly to them?

[Crunchy Frog]

56. The truth is that we have absolutely no idea what he's going to do.

He and his allies want to make America into a fascist country, and they may very well succeed. And a lot of really fucked up things happen in fascist countries.

[0rganism]

58. Pointing out the logistical difficulty of mass deportation doesn't carry the reassurance value you seem to think it does

There was once a European regime that opted for deportation of undesirable outlanders as its plan A. When that failed for several entirely predictable reasons, they went with a backup plan B, a "final solution" as it were. So far, history has taken a dim view of said regime and its policies.

You're vastly understating the chance that Trump implements any particular one of his nutty fiscal policies that spell doom for millions of people, including those that voted for him. First, he's Donald Trump, the once and future president of an information-age superpower. Second, he's Donald Trump, and he doesn't get held accountable for the horrible disasters he causes. Third, he's Donald Fucking Trump, and he'll do this shit for fun just so he can brag about it for his mass-media toadies.

Don't underestimate the power of propaganda, or the pervasiveness of stupidity. All he has to do is go on a Fox News morning show, talk up his amazing plan, call the critics liars, claim no American is ever hurt by his policies, and blammo! 50%+ support. This is the nightmare we're dealing with.

[Faux pas]

60. I picture the hump

having some kind of Trail of Tears March leaving from each state. I also see something like going on for years.

[Blue_Tires]

61. What do you think his cult is going to do when the deportations don't happen?

They're going to start the mass shootings like that El Paso Wal-Mart, that's what... To make things even worse, they'll be fully expecting a pardon from King Donnie after being convicted...