Do you see it now?

[EndlessWire]

Every time some person on this board expresses an opinion which is dire or dystopian, it's guaranteed that someone will come back and say something like, "Oh, he can't do that!" or "What a vivid imagination you have!" or "Get your tinfoil hats out!" or "How stupid!" And, they're on our side, and they care, but not to the point of listening without comment. Not to the point of consideration of the words spoken.

Well, consider this. Which other leader has started immediately after election to purge the military of generals he doesn't like? If you don't think that this whole thing is shaping up to be the Fourth Reich, you need to take a step back and see the big picture. WE ARE IN TROUBLE.

This Orange Hellbeast is going to satisfy his wet dreams of being an equal dictator to Lil' Kim and Putin. This monster has studied and buddied with the worst dregs of humanity currently alive today.

Honestly, it does seem like just a bad dream. But, why is he reimaging the military right now? You know why. We are now subjects that better get in line a la Kim's people.

How long do you think that this board has left before the Internet comes under the control of Trump, and no dissenting opinions are allowed? Fascism requires control of the news, of communication between persons who might say "no." Trump is a fascist dictator.

My family is leaving for SA early next year. I'm halfway sorry I can't go with them. I see their point, though. And I never thought that the border wall was meant to keep Mexicans out. It will be used to keep us in.

Keep feeding him those hamberders. Maybe we'll get lucky. And, he got two purple hearts for having a bullet perhaps graze his ear. I hope whoever coughed up their purple hearts for this monster are totally embarrassed.

He isn't cute. He isn't smart. He isn't nice. He isn't kind. He isn't talented at anything. He's not generous, and he is not loving. He doesn't give a damn about anything except money and power to get money. And this is who got elected to be our leader? What an embarrassment!

[dalton99a]

1. "He will pivot, and Ivanka will be a moderating influence"

Same old shit

[calimary]

38. Nope. He won't listen to anybody.

He’s cock-sure, by now, that he doesn’t have to listen to ANYBODY.

[lapfog_1]

41. Ivanka will not be anywhere near this administration

And Jared is only going to hang on to take over Gaza and build a bunch of seaside hotels and casinos with the Saudi money they gave him as payoff last go round. Now the Saudi princes will have a new place to party like us heathens, only closer to Saudi Arabia ( but, thank Allah, not IN Saudi Arabia ).

[BlueKota]

2. Seems to me

some have never studied the rise of Hitler and Stalin. I have but wish I hadn’t now. Maybe then I could actually buy it's all going to be alright and we will be all unicorns dancing on clouds. I have a sense of what's coming and wish to hell I didn't.

[Blue Full Moon]

12. Exactly

[Skittles]

80. or worse - they are well aware, and APPROVE

[BlueKota]

86. That's even scarier

[Skittles]

88. sad fact is, it is one or the other

they are either too stupid to know what is coming, or they know and they approve....either way, it SUCKS for America

[Hope22]

3. It is a difficult time for sure.

Short of medicating myself I allow one hour of TV with Lawrence O’Donnell MSNBC a day. He does seem to walk through the pitfalls and takes some of the hysteria out of this uncertain time. Votes are still coming in. The people in charge of sorting things out are as on the job as they are going to be. Sending love to you as we put one foot in front of the other to get through this transition and more. Take care and as always, be easy with yourself. 💗💗🙏🏼💐

[Hope22]

5. Here is an interesting article about a Republican woman, Susie Wiles

She is supposedly keeping the throttle eased on T and the crazy train. There might be more recent articles out there but this one seems to tell the story. She is still by his side advising him. There are a few R’s that do not want the train to jump farther from the track.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/12/donald-trump-susie-wiles-campaign-manager/74098026007/

[Skittles]

23. LOL she is a Trump whore

fucking DISGUSTING

[Hope22]

39. Not probably a term that is used out here anymore!

There is nothing more disturbing or disgusting than him. I know she is an R but not totally down the mamas trail. That was the point.

[notroot]

42. It's a term that's used again, now.

[Skittles]

45. do you prefer Trump Humper?

SAME FUCKING THING

[notroot]

46. No, I have no objections. How about, "Trump Cock-Gobbler"?

[Skittles]

47. well, that would be Musk

yes indeed

[Skittles]

50. good one

[MrWowWow]

44. I Envision an Americanized version of, "The Meaning of Life."

In this version, Mr Creosote is tramp.

[Hope22]

62. No matter how many times this is viewed

It is still gross. As for T , we should be the ones vomiting. In fact just to see him hurts my stomach.

[Dumpy]

65. Do you belittle and demean all women

or just R voters?

[Skittles]

72. JUST FASCISTS

IT IS NOT GENDER SPECIFIC

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1321&pid=34954

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19712891

[travelingthrulife]

59. Susie Whiles is a permanent rider on the Trump Crazy Train

No help there.

[Ilikepurple]

4. I'm still hoping some of the guardrails hold, but can't help but worry.

A lot of the people who shoot down the wilder topics are also very informed, but historically. This time around he has more allies in all branches and time to actually plan. His first four years seemed to me like we had a President who was willing to give the republican establishment what they wanted. Now that the MAGA party is in power, who knows how far and down what weird roads we’ll go. It’s hard to know how far and by what creative means Trump can push it. At the very least, I expect he and his inner circle to make major $$ and a lot of marginalized groups to suffer more.

[yorkster]

6. I think it's well beyond embarassment and

any possible reaction is beyond my predictive abilities, but not my imagination.

[Kid Berwyn]

7. Richest man in human history plus Putin's puppet...

…and people aren’t allowed to express an opinion about election chicanery.

Meanwhile, Trump and his Project 2025 fascist turds demand loyalty oaths from the general staff and work to install the Turd Reich.

Fuck that.

[SomewhereInTheMiddle]

60. Richest man in human history?

That is always hard to determine. THIS LIST is a little dated, but given there is only one living person on it much of it has probably not changed yet.

According to Forbes Real Time Billionaires Musk is doing pretty well, but not significant percentage of world GDP well. World GDP is ~$110 trillion USD. Musk's fortune is ~$300 billion or 0.27%. Horrendous but not the highest in human history.

Just to keep our perspective and maybe our sanity.

(I know I am nitpicking. Sorry. It helps the pedant in me sleep at night. Something has to in these troubled times.)

[Irish_Dem]

8. Yes it always amuses me when people say Trump cannot do this or that.

And then of course Trump does exactly that thing and much worse.

People are in denial and keep falling back on the idea that the US is a nation of laws,
rules and procedures.

They cannot grasp that for a psychopath like Trump the rules and laws are meaningless.

[dalton99a]

10. +1

[Irish_Dem]

11. I wish I had ten bucks for every time I got lectured about what Trump cannot do.

And then another ten bucks for when he turned around and did that exact thing with no
consequences.

I'd be rich.

[H2O Man]

14. Right.

The only thing I see slightly different is regarding "the rules and laws" part. He delights in breaking them.

[Blue Full Moon]

15. There is no way that this wasn't orchestrated

[Irish_Dem]

58. Which parts?

[Blue Full Moon]

61. This has been the dream for them way before MAGA

Between the gerrymandering, voter purging Supreme Court interference with Bush, Read article about how they have even gerrymandered the electors, the fact that they stated in red controlled areas they could just decide. Sorry but the voting machines several computer security experts have given warning. The biggest tell is the republican machine itself. They always accuse the other side of something and then they do it on steroids. The big lie was to make it ridiculous to say anything about what they were actually doing. Then almost all voter fraud found has been republican. Then there is all the Russian interference that somehow can't be proved yet the fingerprints are there.

[B.See]

49. The fact that many can't (won't)

see what Trump wants to do, promises to do, and WILL do - is precisely why we are where we are right now.

[Irish_Dem]

56. Or many are eager for Trump to keep his threats and promises. They love it all so much.

[B.See]

89. Yes they do.

His MAGA hoard delight in the chaos. Here's hoping it bites em in the ass.

[Irish_Dem]

90. Let's hope our asses don't get bitten in the process.

[Crunchy Frog]

53. I think they still believe in American exceptionalism.

[Irish_Dem]

57. They don't realize the world is laughing, disgusted and afraid for us.

I traveled to Quebec Canada this summer.

I understand enough French to overhear the comments being made in restaurants and gatherings about Americans and Trump. It was not complementary.

Being an American is now embarrassing.

[JustAnotherGen]

87. They are in denial

Of history.

They still don't believe it can happen here.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

9. I agree. I've been watching MSNBC and I'm very alarmed at what's going on.

Add to your list the fact that wants a bill passed in the house that will allow his administration to go after and shut down organizations - including news orgs. He also wants the Republicans in Congress to leave so it’s “in recess” and he can make all kinds of recess appointments without the approval of Congress. Presidents usually do this when they have a candidate that is so bad that they are afraid that congess will stop it. That is saying ALOT when you consider it’s the Republicans in the House who basically do whatever Trump wants.

[Karasu]

13. "Warrior board" to purge the military. Officially on record to abolish the Department of Education.

Establishing a completely fucking made-up new position for Elon Musk so he can serve as the Secretary of Auster--er, "Cost-Cutting" and single-handedly run the economy into the ground.

I'm sorry, but anyone who can't see it now is...of exceedingly low intelligence, to put it kindly.

[Blue Full Moon]

17. They would not help him overthrow on January 6th.

[Karasu]

26. Oh, and to think I almost forgot...

...a fucking Fox News host as Secretary of Defense? Seriously? The proud puppy killer as Secretary of George W. Bush's Dumbassery...er, Homeland Security?

What planet is this?

[markodochartaigh]

29. And Musk and Trump are meeting

with Milei this week. Look at what Milei has done in Argentina, which was already in bad shape.

[Karasu]

32. There is no doubt in my mind...

...that Musk's plans for American austerity (which no one but fascists has ever asked for in this country) are being primarily influenced by Milei. His obsession with forcing Americans to "live within their means" (which can mean literally whatever he wants it to mean) is surely going to have similar results. Poverty rate is going to go up by 50% in record time. Oy.

[Haggard Celine]

52. I think he's going to be like Pinochet.

He's planning to take control and destroy the government. There will be only him as the "decider." Undesirables will be rounded up along with immigrants. People are going to disappear all of a sudden. Pinochet's extreme free market economy is going to be tried here, and it's going to be a horror show.

[FirstLight]

16. So what's the alternative to the interwrbs?

Will we all have to switch to ham radio or what?

Not being facetious but really... wonder how we will communicate with each other

[Blue Full Moon]

19. I posted something like that and was made fun of.

I was being very serious. I am beginning to think that there are a lot of people in this country that don't know history.

[FirstLight]

22. Its the denial stage of grief...

Been watching the Hitler history on Netflix and the first episode was enough of a mirror of our recent political landscape for the last 20 years to scare the fuck out of me.

That's why I feel so desolate about any ideas for my future...i was going back to college and now its all just gonna crumble anyway.
Best idea I have is to sell everything and find a trailer and go off grid... And when I lose healthcare that's it for me. I can't live without my meds...

[Blue Full Moon]

28. I would not sell any property

It will be the only thing that will have value. Maybe we are the go straight to worse case scenario types
Go to college and get your degree. Although right now it might not seem like it but most people help each other.

[UniqueUserName]

63. The problem is private equity. . .

. . . Can wait you out just like monopolies force out mom and pop stores.

Devalue the dollar, and there's your savings. Then you have to sell your equities and properties. But at pennies to the dollar because you need the money and private Equity can wait you out.

Welcome feudalism 2.0. Corporations on all the property and charge 50% of an average salary for a place to stay. 45% of your salary spent on necessities. And if you're lucky, you'll maybe have 5% discretionary income.

[Blue Full Moon]

64. The money in this scenario is worthless.

[Mister Ed]

54. I would add to Blue Full Moon's reply to say...

...that I recall you're a California resident (and thus somewhat shielded), with property in an extremely desirable and beautiful area that is like nowhere else on Earth.

That property might be your ace in the hole. You should probably hold on to it. And in the meantime there you are, continuing to live on it and not having to move.

I would also guess that your home state of California would try to find a program to fill the gap on health care when federal laws are repealed.

[róisín_dubh]

18. The people he's naming to positions

Are fucking alarming.
I live abroad, but that won’t make a difference once he shrugs his shoulders if Putin wants to steamroll Europe (which admittedly he probably can’t because the Russian army seems much weaker than they project).
But you get my point

[Blue Full Moon]

21. They are going to do a lot of damage.

It is going to ripple through every where. The crypto currency is going to trigger hyperinflation and will cause a depression worse than the Great Depression. That is why Muskrat Worm Tongue is there. That Doge emblem is the crypto that he wants.

[LiberalLoner]

30. Wasn't DOGE the one where people ended up losing all their money with no recourse because there was a lack

Of security for hacking?

Maybe that’s the plan, switch us all to DOGE and one morning we wake up and every last penny of every US citizen is gone and Leon is another trillion dollars richer….

[Blue Full Moon]

36. Biggest bank heist in history.

[AverageOldGuy]

20. We were warned

Totalitarianism in power invariably replaces all first-rate talents, regardless of their sympathies, with those crackpots and fools whose lack of intelligence and creativity is still the best guarantee of their loyalty.

-- Hannah Arendt

[Blue Full Moon]

24. The other thing which might be part of what you posted

People who know history. Fascists always control both parties. Controlled opposition to make sure that their agenda will be done. So I do think that there are people who are in the Democrats who support trump. Wouldn't hazard a guess.
We should have never allowed nazis into this country after WWll. The government used them with the un-American activities commission. Besides science trying to make a hero out of Warner Von Braun. The un-American activities should have been used to get nazis.

[littlemissmartypants]

25. Are you okay?

I'm worried about you. ❤️

[crimycarny]

27. +1000. And the shaming of those who are scared

A couple of days ago a DU’er posted a sort of “stop panicking, the sun will rise tomorrow, we will all have food to eat tomorrow” etc post.

Really? I lost my oldest son to suicide during the COVID years. The posts on my SOS (Survivors of Suicide Loss) support groups have skyrocketed since Trump’s re-election. This is hitting people HARD!!

It’s not about “the sun will rise tomorrow”, the sun has risen every morning since my son died and that doesn’t make it all a-ok. I have all the food in the world to eat, but it sticks in my throat and tastes like dirt.

This IS a big deal to many. In fact, it’s life or death for some. Don’t minimize those who are traumatized by this as “catastrophizing”. This IS a catastrophe for many, and some are barely hanging on. I know I am.

[area51]

66. I'm sorry for your loss.

[Clouds Passing]

70. I'm sorry for the loss of your son

Mine too

[crimycarny]

73. Thank you

Did you lose a son too? It is the most painful and devastating loss. I try to make it day by day, sometime minute by minute.

[Clouds Passing]

84. Yes

Fatal overdose a year ago 😢

[crimycarny]

85. Oh I am so sorry

The worst pain a parent can experience. And we never got to say goodbye.

[Skittles]

74. so sorry about your boy

I hear you, these "we'll get through this" folk are looking way too far ahead with what I suspect may be rose-colored glasses.

[Pototan]

31. Oh, I concede Trump is a dictator

He's putting all in motion. But the "woke" generals will mostly be those of color and women. Maybe a few well intentioned white males, but the whole board thing is a cover to purge the military of diversity.

Gaza is about to become a parking lot.

Women will be relegated to second class citizen status for a generation.

There will be discriminatory and unconstitutional actions taken during the mass deportation of minorities, especially Latinos.

Look at the results by demographics. That's why I don't care much anymore. I have reserved my sympathy for Jewish Americans, the LGBTQ community and black women. Everyone else can pound sand.

[markodochartaigh]

33. I have been told before here

that only a small percentage of people in the US support Trump. I just drop the subject. I realize that many people are in denial, many out of fear. I see their fear as legitimate, and if the way that they choose to face reality is to close their eyes and pretend that things aren't so bad, then I will respect their choice.

But, personally, I would rather face things head on even if there is nothing that I can do.

[JDAcme]

34. As for "hamberders", be careful what you ask for.

If Mondo Guano kicks the bucket, I’d be afraid of what Vance could do riding a wave of hyped up sympathy, and synthetic patriotism whipped up by the New Media.

[Blue Full Moon]

37. I still think that was what the attempted

Assignation were. To boost support for him and it did.

[Beringia]

91. I would guess Vance has some kind of backbone and not be taken over by Musk and the like

[Blue Full Moon]

35. I do think that Biden or someone in the party

Needs to speak. Reassure or warn what to expect and do. If someone like Kinzinger, Kasich, or DeWine for examples ,even though there would be policy differences it would be okay.

[Alice B.]

55. This is something I have been looking for

[Blue Full Moon]

40. Just remember to despair is a sin.

I always liked the quote from Shakespeare in Love.
So what do we do?
Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well.
How?
I don't know. It's a mystery.

[crimycarny]

67. Calls to suicide crisis hotlines increased 200%

Since Trump was elected. Many people "despair" due to mental health issues, like my son who lost his battle about 3 years ago. I can say his despair wasn't a "sin", it was an illness. And it didn't all turn out well.

I am terrified for those who are already vulnerable, and I believe it is going to get much much worse. That's not "despair", that is personal observation from being involved in Suicide Loss support groups.

[Blue Full Moon]

76. Just means don't give up hope.

Sin isn't quite what everyone thinks. It is an archery term that means off the mark. Depression is a terrible thing to live with. I have had bouts. I will go a long while then it sneaks back. I believe that it is sneaking back. This thread was really dark and thought some encouragement would be good.

[Mountain Mule]

43. Its going to be very bad

Mass deportations, a purge of our highest leadership in the military, purge of our scientists and medical doctors - the list goes on and on. People don't want to believe these things even as they are already starting to happen. These are very dark times. If I were even ten years younger, I would leave this country.

[Clouds Passing]

68. I am frankly stunned that the Democrats are rolling over to have their bellies scratched

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by these troglodytes.

[Clouds Passing]

71. It's a "dead end" for all of us except the 1% already.

[Skittles]

75. stay and fight

I will never abandon my country to fascism.

[Blue Full Moon]

77. Exactly, but it looks bad that none of them

Except Newsome and his rebel alliance are doing anything. Seems a preemptive strike would be better than waiting and watching.

[Skittles]

78. a lot of people still just do not fucking get it

it does seem like the very worst has to happen before the majority wake up - well, we are well on our way now

[Blue Full Moon]

79. You are right

Went to home page there it was. I guess they never watched Star Wars with Mace Windu.

They seem to be a bunch Arthur Neville Chamberlains could use a Churchill about now.

[Blue Full Moon]

83. Not sure but sentencing trump would be okay

For the 34 counts.
Justice delayed is not Justice served.
Dragging my feet Garland.

[Ysabel]

82. why did that person who shot miss...!?!

Damn it...