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soandso

(1,627 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:30 PM Nov 12

IDF general: Palestinians will not be allowed to return to north Gaza strip

In a media briefing on Tuesday night, the IDF Brig Gen Itzik Cohen told Israeli reporters that since troops had been forced to enter some areas twice, such as Jabaliya camp, “there is no intention of allowing the residents of the northern Gaza Strip to return to their homes”.

He added that humanitarian aid would be allowed to “regularly” enter the south of the territory but not the north, since there are “no more civilians left”.

On Thursday, an IDF spokesperson said Brig Gen Cohen’s comments had been taken out of context during a discussion about Jabaliya, and did not “reflect the IDF’s objectives and values.” The spokesperson also said that the briefing had been on background, and the brigadier general should not have been quoted in Hebrew media reports that emerged.

It is unclear how many people remain in northern Gaza; last month, the UN estimated there were about 400,000 civilians unable or unwilling to follow Israeli evacuation orders. On Wednesday social media footage showed waves of several dozen displaced people carrying children and rucksacks and walking south through flattened areas of Gaza City.

Much more @ link:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/06/palestinians-will-not-be-allowed-to-return-to-homes-in-northern-gaza-says-idf

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IDF general: Palestinians will not be allowed to return to north Gaza strip (Original Post) soandso Nov 12 OP
Get Jared Kushner on the phone,.. magicarpet Nov 12 #1
War criminal. Klarkashton Nov 12 #2
Use taxpayer-funded military to clear land. Future announcement: Trump - North Gaza Tower 1 & 2 TheBlackAdder Nov 12 #3
Already done. AloeVera Nov 13 #6
When does Israeli resort construction start? Hassler Nov 13 #4
See post #6. AloeVera Nov 13 #7
Their vote for Jill Stein condemns.Palestinians Hassler Nov 13 #9
Disgusting. AloeVera Nov 13 #5
It really seems hopeless for them soandso Nov 13 #11
Normalizing annexation, how very... colonial 0rganism Nov 13 #8
Obviously, this has been the plan all along. Intractable Nov 13 #10
Oh, yeah soandso Nov 13 #12
Cry about it to Trump. IDGAF notroot Nov 13 #13
I'm sure Trump is good with it soandso Nov 13 #14
Not even a quickie. Burn down our country to "teach a lesson"? TheKentuckian Nov 13 #19
Oh well Mountainguy Nov 13 #15
America made it's choice. Too fucking bad. notroot Nov 13 #16
All with Western complicity malaise Nov 13 #17
That's not what the IDF general says. That's what Guardian says the IDF general says. Beastly Boy Nov 13 #18

magicarpet

(16,747 posts)
1. Get Jared Kushner on the phone,..
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:45 PM
Nov 12

Hello Jarrd,...
Fire up thems bulldozers,... time to build thems three 50 story luxury condo towers on Gaza Beach and start development of the luxury golf course and yacht club.

AloeVera

(1,982 posts)
6. Already done.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:29 AM
Nov 13

The taxpayer-funded clearing of land and bodies in parts of the north. Not to mention the taxpayer-funded destruction of course. That part is fully done.

Almost ready for the settlers and Kushner. Patience, it won't be long now. Starvation and the IDF will take care of the rest soon.


Hassler

(3,756 posts)
4. When does Israeli resort construction start?
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:07 AM
Nov 13

And when are Dearborn Muslims going to start booking their vacations?

AloeVera

(1,982 posts)
7. See post #6.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:32 AM
Nov 13

Glad to answer your first question.
As for your second, I have no words. Not ones I can say in this forum.

Hassler

(3,756 posts)
9. Their vote for Jill Stein condemns.Palestinians
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:46 AM
Nov 13

undocumented, and documented immigrants here to a hellish fate. They deserve the scorn they've earned.

AloeVera

(1,982 posts)
5. Disgusting.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:16 AM
Nov 13

Those who were unable or afraid to leave or not agreeing to leave for the very reason they would not be allowed to RETURN, just as in 1948 - will be killed. Not that they weren't killed before, but now...

Today I read that Blinken walked back his threat to withhold weapons from Israel if the humanitarian situation did not improve in 30 days. The 30 days are up and the situation is even more dire than it was then. The World Food Program just a few days ago issued an urgent warning about the starvation in the north especially.

Ethnic cleansing using starvation and terror is what is happening in the north and there is no political will by Israel's most powerful ally and major weapons supplier to stop it. It shouldn't be so hard to understand why the Muslims/Arabs in the U.S. can't see how it could get "so much worse".

Those poor people.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
11. It really seems hopeless for them
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 01:13 AM
Nov 13

Other countries like Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are not able to do anything about it. The Gulf States (except, maybe, Qatar) are not pro Palestinian. Egypt has it's own problems with the Muslim Brotherhood. Europe makes some noise but doesn't want to get involved. The UK are the ones who gave them someone else's land so don't count on them. The US will never not be joined at the hip with Israel and will keep subsidizing and arming them - even though Israel bombed the USS Liberty and spied on our government.

0rganism

(24,717 posts)
8. Normalizing annexation, how very... colonial
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 12:37 AM
Nov 13

I suspect the population of Gaza is about to be relocated to a DMZ carved out of southern Lebanon to make room for a Trump theme park and casino.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
12. Oh, yeah
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 01:15 AM
Nov 13

I've known it for years. The only who could have stopped it are the US and we know that will never happen.

soandso

(1,627 posts)
14. I'm sure Trump is good with it
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 03:05 AM
Nov 13

Rubio and Huckabee, too. But, you don't give a fuck about what's happening to the Palestinians?

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
19. Not even a quickie. Burn down our country to "teach a lesson"?
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:28 AM
Nov 13

Well, now for a lesson that the bones will remember thousands of years in kind.

Political suicide bombers bought a lot of paradise.

Fuck em sideways with a rusty dumpster.

Let's get Israel a carrier group, scores of thousands of state of the art tanks and artillery pieces, more ICBMs, a dozen nuclear subs, and 10,000 new gunships should be handy.

Ohh...Syria and Lebanon too. Thanks now!

Fascism for us as "a lesson"? Okay

YOU GET NOTHING BUT THE WHIRLWIND GOOD DAY!

Arabs and Charlottesville in Birkenstocks aren't the only ones that can spite.

You nuked us, get ready for hell to be unleashed.

River to the Sea indeed.
Let's keep that shit pushing for hate's sake.

Beastly Boy

(11,250 posts)
18. That's not what the IDF general says. That's what Guardian says the IDF general says.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:07 AM
Nov 13

The Guardian cites the Kan website in Hebrew as the source of their information (https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/defense/820691/)

And here is the Google Translate version of the source in English:
The security establishment estimates today (Tuesday) that more than 55,000 civilians fled from Jabaliya, after Hamas prevented them from evacuating in the first days of the activity in the northern Gaza Strip. The IDF says they gathered evidence that Hamas physically harmed residents who wanted to leave and also executed people. Currently the IDF estimates that there are only hundreds of civilians left in Jabalia.

Division 162 operates in Jabaliya under the command of Brigadier General Itzik Cohen, where within 48 hours they succeeded in severing the connection between Gaza City and the north of the Gaza Strip.

Since the operation began in Jabaliya, 700 surrendered terrorists have been arrested, including dozens of terrorists who participated in the massacre on October 7 at the Erez crossing and the Black Arrow monument and have since provided intelligence information in their investigations. A thousand terrorists were eliminated during the operation. According to a senior commander, it can be seen in the last few days that "the enemy escaped" from Jabaliya and that last night almost 50 terrorists were killed in ambushes and sniper fire.

"You see an enemy who is desperate for his life, acting in a guerilla fashion and looking for opportunities." said Brigadier General Cohen. According to the IDF, the operation in Jabaliya is troubling Hamas and the activity is intended, among other things, to produce tools for further negotiations for the release of the abductees in the era after Yahya Sinwar.

A senior IDF official who is familiar with the programs in Jabaliya said that he is not familiar with the initiative known as the "Champion Program" and that he is only acting according to the instructions of the General Staff and the approval of the Chief of Staff.

The refugee camp is trapped by Hamas with dozens of explosives designed to trap IDF soldiers. So far, 200 trapped houses have been located. The IDF says that during combat, it develops exercises with the aim of reducing harm to the fighters, including the use of technology, dogs, and the use of IML on building before entering the buildings.

The IDF estimates that only thousands of people remain in the central centers in the northern Gaza Strip: between 1,000 and 3,000 in Beit Lahia and 1,000 in Jabaliya. The IDF says that after entering Jabaliya twice in the past, this time there is no intention of allowing the residents of the northern Gaza Strip to return to their homes and that Humanitarian aid will regularly enter the south of the Gaza Strip - since there are no more civilians left north of Gaza City.

Senior IDF officials were asked if there is a decision to split the northern Gaza Strip into two parts, Gaza City and the northern neighborhoods, and they answered that the decision is to cut off the northern Gaza Strip from Gaza City.

Referring to the claims of harming civilians, Brigadier General Cohen emphasized: "The IDF is a moral and ethical army. We are working in this operation in a significant way to allow the population to move south while risking our lives. Hamas uses civilians as a significant center of gravity, threatens them and shoots under their protection. Just yesterday At night, shots were fired from a hospital at Givati ​​forces."


Clearly, the context points to two centers north of Gaza City which are currently active war zones. In this context, it is clear that there is no intention to return the residents to a war zone for as long as it remains a war zone.

Cue in Kushner, land grab and genocide. Because IDF doesn't intend the residents of the areas in a war zone to be subjected to ongoing hostilities between belligerent armed forces.

But isn't this exactly what the Geneva Conventions mandate?

The Guardian and company are full of shit.
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