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Tommy Carcetti

(43,622 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:00 AM Nov 14

It's back.

That feeling is back.

The feeling of dread and uncertainty that existed for four plus years when we woke up every single morning.

That feeling of "What's he going to do now?" or what person he'll try to antagonize or how he'll plot or conspire to his own selfish ends.

What fresh hell will he bring today?

We had a four-year respite from it. Even President Biden's most staunch ideological opponents would have to truthfully and honestly admit he never put them in any such position himself.

But now we're back to this moment again. Every single morning.

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It's back. (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Nov 14 OP
"What fresh hell will he bring today?" Septua Nov 14 #1
Exactly cilla4progress Nov 14 #8
But worse. He is on the warpath and out for revenge kerry-is-my-prez Nov 14 #62
...and worse, he apparently controls all three branches of government. LudwigPastorius Nov 14 #66
Yes, we gave him four more years to prepare... kentuck Nov 14 #2
He has been scheming and plotting the whole time in the most evil way Walleye Nov 14 #5
The most frightening thing yet DENVERPOPS Nov 14 #30
He is so incompetent, even if he doesn't accomplish his goals. He will fuck everything up in the process. Walleye Nov 14 #31
Agreed DENVERPOPS Nov 14 #38
Well, that's depressing. Among other things. Texin Nov 15 #72
Depressing yet obvious as 10,000 foot tall letters in fire. TheKentuckian Nov 15 #75
I'm trying to change my approach on that morillon Nov 14 #3
"There's a horse in the hospital" Lars39 Nov 14 #4
The horse fires the horse catcher... can he do that? questionseverything Nov 14 #56
Get a hobby - a different one than this. Ignore it Prairie Gates Nov 14 #6
The feeling,"What fresh hell?", is back. BradBo Nov 14 #7
Nope LittleGirl Nov 14 #9
Good for you, that is a wonderful and encouraging attitude Walleye Nov 14 #32
Where were you living before returning? BonnieJW Nov 14 #36
Europe. nt LittleGirl Nov 14 #59
Same...I'm just so f..king pissed! PortTack Nov 14 #58
All my liberal family has passed LittleGirl Nov 14 #60
Check out the Indivisible movement in your area. calimary Nov 14 #61
Thanks for the encouragement LittleGirl Nov 14 #63
Already the parade of incompetents is on display. Old Crank Nov 14 #10
Parade of incompetents is on display. Butterflylady Nov 14 #21
Thanks Old Crank Nov 14 #34
The only thing that gives me any solace is the fact that StarryNite Nov 14 #11
I refuse to suffer because of Trump, I'm old and I have suffering on my own Walleye Nov 14 #33
And when they find out they're suffering... Different Drummer Nov 14 #51
Well you can't fix stupid but we'll know the truth. StarryNite Nov 14 #52
Yes. The next 3.5 years will be moment-to-moment life from now on. ancianita Nov 14 #12
We had a little bit of a respite from it during Biden's tenure karin_sj Nov 14 #13
I was thinking he would flee after he had lost Dem4life1234 Nov 14 #50
I have stopped all notifications for news on my phone. mtngirl47 Nov 14 #14
MSNBC over the internet state of stupid Nov 14 #20
Hey mtngirl47 - calimary Nov 15 #67
Bethlehem, your beast was just born. dchill Nov 14 #15
No. This is orders of magnitude worse. dawg Nov 14 #16
I'm trying to live with hope Wicked Blue Nov 14 #17
Do you think JD Vance is any better? ramedy Nov 14 #26
G@d D@mn! dreamland Nov 14 #18
You have the power to NOT let Trump live rent free in your head the next 4 years. That's what my friends and I are beaglelover Nov 14 #19
Yes. Elessar Zappa Nov 14 #22
That's exactly what he's hoping for. Don't read or watch any news and you will feel so much better. ratchiweenie Nov 14 #23
That's been my philosophy since 11/6/24. Different Drummer Nov 14 #49
sorry, no Skittles Nov 15 #69
This is exactly how I feel. Helicoptercatmom Nov 14 #24
Catch up on TV series you may have skipped... Moostache Nov 14 #29
Rejoining life. Helicoptercatmom Nov 14 #41
I was married during the Trump years and was working at my company's office building Xavier Breath Nov 14 #25
It's been that way for 9 years. jimfields33 Nov 14 #27
On the positive side, I have not changed... Moostache Nov 14 #28
Idk I've had dread pretty much all of 2024. Self Esteem Nov 14 #35
Yes, I feel it too. Think. Again. Nov 14 #37
It's the feeling that I remember so well MontanaMama Nov 14 #39
The main reason I can no longer watch cable news kimbutgar Nov 14 #40
I hate to say it but... kentuck Nov 14 #42
do you also predict the sun will rise? Skittles Nov 15 #70
the feeling I had during the Cold War KT2000 Nov 14 #43
Whatever you do resist the urge to watch cable news. erodriguez Nov 14 #44
BINGO!!!!! BigmanPigman Nov 15 #71
Even worse. Mira Nov 14 #45
It started when he announced his bid for the presidency Dem4life1234 Nov 14 #46
If this were a sane country with a good political system Meowmee Nov 14 #65
Yeah Dem4life1234 Nov 15 #73
Nor should someone inciting violence Meowmee Nov 15 #74
he has turned America into a fucking joke Skittles Nov 15 #68
maga is insane. They have NO idea how this will hit them Evolve Dammit Nov 14 #47
I hope the media enjoys it. Different Drummer Nov 14 #48
I'm 100% tuning that shit out this time Blue_Tires Nov 14 #53
Current mood JCMach1 Nov 14 #54
This time around. Woodwizard Nov 14 #55
The sawdust is running out of his head so fast he's not going to be able to retain his hypnotic powers. diane in sf Nov 14 #57
yes Meowmee Nov 14 #64

Septua

(2,638 posts)
1. "What fresh hell will he bring today?"
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:15 AM
Nov 14
"We had a four-year respite from it. But now we're back to this moment again. Every single morning."

Those are understatements...multiple times during each 24 hour day.

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,454 posts)
62. But worse. He is on the warpath and out for revenge
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:00 PM
Nov 14

That seems to be his only motive - how much can I make this country suffer for not electing me the last time around. He is purposefully picking the people who can create havoc and piss people off. It is no accident.

LudwigPastorius

(11,254 posts)
66. ...and worse, he apparently controls all three branches of government.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:53 PM
Nov 14

The founders trusted that the establishment of the separation of powers would prevent this kind of thing, because, as Madison put it:

The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elected, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.


She is "going to go through some things".

kentuck

(113,024 posts)
2. Yes, we gave him four more years to prepare...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:17 AM
Nov 14

...and he seems to have learned his lessons well.

Walleye

(36,724 posts)
5. He has been scheming and plotting the whole time in the most evil way
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:30 AM
Nov 14

Thanks America, good job

DENVERPOPS

(10,330 posts)
30. The most frightening thing yet
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:35 PM
Nov 14
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/go-bags-passports-foreign-assets-preparing-to-be-a-target-of-trump-s-revenge/ar-AA1u4Jzh?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=0fbcbc6226bb49aadbf753e787464daf&ei=90

Shades of Hitler, he is getting ready to Obliterate anyone who has spoken out against him......The scariest shit yet.....and he has assembled a group of yes people, in top positions to carry out his wishes the second they can do it.....
Trump already loves Hitler's actions, and I am sure Putin is backing him up to do this, as a strong handed way to silence anyone from saying anything critical of him or his actions........

Walleye

(36,724 posts)
31. He is so incompetent, even if he doesn't accomplish his goals. He will fuck everything up in the process.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:37 PM
Nov 14

DENVERPOPS

(10,330 posts)
38. Agreed
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:45 PM
Nov 14

A russian friend of mine who still talks to relatives and friends back home.
I asked him what they all think of Trump.

He says the Russian Citizens are all laughing about how easily Putin has been able to "Play" Trump.....saying that Putin, through Trump has been able to disrupt the U.S. economy, and the U.S. Constitution at the same time, without starting a war, or firing a single rocket or missile to accomplish bringing down the U.S...........

morillon

(1,255 posts)
3. I'm trying to change my approach on that
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:23 AM
Nov 14

...because I was the same way for 4 years and it's freaking exhausting. Demoralizing. Frightening.

I'm working on a news AI for myself that filters out the shitty-but-insignificant from the shitty-and-"I need to do something" items. There's gotta be some way to be effective and aware without being eyeballs deep in bullshit every day.

Prairie Gates

(3,660 posts)
6. Get a hobby - a different one than this. Ignore it
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:33 AM
Nov 14

It's going to effect vyour mental health and physical health.

I'm not even kidding. Ignore it.

LittleGirl

(8,506 posts)
9. Nope
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:40 AM
Nov 14

This time is different. I was too shocked in '16 now I'm fighting mad as hell.

I will not let that man rob my brain with "oh look what he said/did/signed" etc. for the next four years. Nope, I can't. My mental health can't. I'm going to get active doing something besides being a news junkie. The media has made their choice. They are going to report on that asswipe as soon as the first hour of the day comes and I'm not going to be listening.

I moved back to the states in April and I'm here to defend our rights and democracy. We may have lost this election (maybe) but I'm not giving up. I am woman hear me roar. I'm pissed off that even though I am out of the "child bearing years" I worry about my sister humans and their health and safety.

I'm going to contact a shelter or woman's shelter or planned parenthood here to see if I can help. New city, new state, new life. I'm not backing down. You should consider the same.

PortTack

(34,940 posts)
58. Same...I'm just so f..king pissed!
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:21 PM
Nov 14

Have been dealing with some fringe family that are all closet trumpers. I am so done. I do not care if I ever see or hear from them again.

I need to find some volunteer work as well…not sure what that will be. But, for right now I get up (retired) everyday and decide what I can do today to blow the fucking stink of t-rump off. It’s just ordinary stuff, but it clears my mind, and relieves the putrid smell.

I haven’t watched any cable news for at least 5 yrs and it’s incredibly freeing mentally, and time wise. I get so much more accomplished.

LittleGirl

(8,506 posts)
60. All my liberal family has passed
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:29 PM
Nov 14

And only the trumpers remain. I have not had a get together with family on holidays for almost 2 decades. With the Ds yes, but we’ve always stayed away before then. Now that I’m back in a far away state, I don’t have much contact with them anyway. I have to create a new family here.

calimary

(84,805 posts)
61. Check out the Indivisible movement in your area.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:54 PM
Nov 14

I'm guessing (AND hoping) that by January, many of our friends and colleagues will have seen enough already, before the donald even takes office, that they'll be eager to find ways to fight back.

Indivisible was a great help for me when we moved to a new state, and that's where I found new friends. GOOD ones, too. And we do stuff, from sign-holding on busy street corners to campaign assistance, petition drives, and more. It's a good way to channel your frustration and energy into something positive. You'll feel like you're actually DOING SOMETHING, even if it's something small. Highly recommended - AND emotionally gratifying!

Wait til January or late December to start looking around, unless you get wind of something starting to happen sooner than that. Check out your local Democratic party or activist group - like Planned Parenthood or the shelters you mentioned. People are gonna need help, and they may be facing desperate times. They'll be hoping for a "guardian angel" or two.

LittleGirl

(8,506 posts)
63. Thanks for the encouragement
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:20 PM
Nov 14

I was in the Indivisible group in AZ. Great idea! My first protest was in front of McCain’s office. I’m really proud of that! 😎 I met some great people!

Old Crank

(5,084 posts)
10. Already the parade of incompetents is on display.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:42 AM
Nov 14

Last edited Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:54 PM - Edit history (1)

CAn't wait to see who else will be added to the clown car.

StarryNite

(11,007 posts)
11. The only thing that gives me any solace is the fact that
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:49 AM
Nov 14

the leopard will eat their faces. They only think we will suffer but they will suffer too. They're just too stupid to know it.

Different Drummer

(8,848 posts)
51. And when they find out they're suffering...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:19 PM
Nov 14

they won't have a clue as to why, so they'll find a way to blame Democrats.

ancianita

(39,041 posts)
12. Yes. The next 3.5 years will be moment-to-moment life from now on.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:51 AM
Nov 14

But to suffer or fear before it's necessary is to give in to unnecessary suffering. Don't do that.

We just have to keep watch, pray, eat, sleep, and love -- and focus on what's right in front of us. (fwiw, the Bible says "fear not" 365 times. As it proves, we've been dealing with fear for thousands of years and have to give it up.)

karin_sj

(1,133 posts)
13. We had a little bit of a respite from it during Biden's tenure
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:54 AM
Nov 14

But the orange monster was still there, shooting off his mouth regularly and stirring up his followers the entire time.

I was saying to my husband last night that it has been about 15 years that we've had to see his ugly face regularly on the news and hear his vile, stupid comments (longer if you count the birther claims he pushed during the Obama years). I am so utterly sick of him. I was so happy to think that we were going finally be rid of him once and for all. But, no, here he is again, wreaking worse havoc than we could ever have imagined—and he hasn't even started his term yet. I just can't believe it...

Dem4life1234

(2,040 posts)
50. I was thinking he would flee after he had lost
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:16 PM
Nov 14

I didn't think they would throw him in prison, but wasn't expecting his trashy self to run again. So annoyed his diet hadn't caught up with him and done it's job. So here we are, not watching the news at all, his face is offensive, and so is his voice, everything about him is nauseating.

mtngirl47

(1,109 posts)
14. I have stopped all notifications for news on my phone.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:56 AM
Nov 14

I don't want that feeling of dread every time there is an alert.

I can't hope and wish that the courts hold the line....too many trump appointed judges for that. Too easy to "shop" for a judge that will see it their way.

It has been one week since I turned off the TV news....no ABC, NBC or CBS trying to normalize trumpism.

Not going to watch CNN try to both sides it for 4 years.

My local news is owned by Sinclair, so I don't even want to watch that. Will probably just go with our weekly local paper for local news.

No MSNBC on my cable line-up so I'll just watch that if someone from DU decides to post.

I cancelled the Washington Post; never been on X; and stopped looking at Facebook years ago.

I plan to stay on DU, but I have become weary of hearing how terrible Democrats are. Once again Democrats are giving credence to the news media's "Democrats are in disarray" reporting.

calimary

(84,805 posts)
67. Hey mtngirl47 -
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 03:33 AM
Nov 15

Yes we still have MSNBC.

But I wasn’t gonna start there. We still have DU, too.

And we still have this enlightened group here with which we can keep each other company. Not a single one of us has to face any of this completely alone.

Once again, I like to bring up the best-ever quote that’s as simple as it is profound:
“Someone’s always here.” A super important and memorable observation by DUer Skittles.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve picked myself up by the minimal act of reminding myself of those “other” three little words. If NOTHING else, it’ll help give you something else to think about. Distractions can be your friend.

dawg

(10,777 posts)
16. No. This is orders of magnitude worse.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 11:07 AM
Nov 14

Back then, it was just four years of bad policy we had to deal with.

This time, it's likely that we won't have fully free and fair elections again in the foreseeable future. And things will have to get truly terrible for ordinary people before votes will swing hard enough to overcome the authoritarian thumb on the scales.

ramedy

(183 posts)
26. Do you think JD Vance is any better?
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:24 PM
Nov 14

Vance is a true psycho. Except he is actually intelligent. Exceptionally dangerous. Magnitudes worse than the orange shitbag.

beaglelover

(4,143 posts)
19. You have the power to NOT let Trump live rent free in your head the next 4 years. That's what my friends and I are
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 11:33 AM
Nov 14

planning to do. Turn off cable news, exercise more, do more things we enjoy and live our lives. No reason fretting over things anymore that we have NO control over. Whatever will happen will happen. This is what America has voted for. Let them have it.

ratchiweenie

(7,962 posts)
23. That's exactly what he's hoping for. Don't read or watch any news and you will feel so much better.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:10 PM
Nov 14

Better to be clueless and happy.

Skittles

(160,698 posts)
69. sorry, no
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 03:43 AM
Nov 15

that is EXACTLY how NOT to fight fascism

taking a break is fine - but being clueless made people end up voting for DONALD FUCKING TRUMP

24. This is exactly how I feel.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:15 PM
Nov 14

I know I have to pull myself together, as sinking into a deeper hole of despair will not improve anything. So, I stopped watching cable news---even MSNBC---because I can't tolerate the endless "why the democrats failed" analysis. (I have sunk to watching "The Curse of Oak Island" and "Expediation Bigfoot" reruns. And a new season Oak Island just started! Okay, my taste in TV is questionable.) No. The Democrats did not fail. The harsh reality is that most of the country knowingly chose this monster. And no amount of canvassing, phone banking and uplifting rallys were going to change anything. The reasons for Trump's election are not complicated---racism, sexism and greed won. The odds that the Lagina brothers find their treasure are higher than the likihood of American finding its soul.

Moostache

(10,201 posts)
29. Catch up on TV series you may have skipped...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:30 PM
Nov 14

I have begun watching series I wanted to but never made time for in place of ANY time watching ANY news analysis shows. I am also redoubling my effort to hit my goal of reading 100 novels in 2024...I sit at 91 as of today, but think I just may make it to 100 over the holidays...

41. Rejoining life.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 02:05 PM
Nov 14

Thanks! After two years of caring for my husband (had Alheizmeirs, he died in late September. He was a kind soul even as Alheizmeirs destroyed his memories) I am trying to slowly shake this depressive fog. Anyway, today I contacted my piano instructor to resume lessons after a hiatus. I took lessons for a few years as a kid, quit when became a teenager, and resumed about a year and a half ago. Had to stop as my husband's Alheizmeirs progressed. One stop closer to rejoining the living....

Hope you make it to 100!

Xavier Breath

(5,234 posts)
25. I was married during the Trump years and was working at my company's office building
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:22 PM
Nov 14

(before the pandemic), and my wife worked from home. So, each day when I walked through the door, she would greet me or I would greet her with, "Did you hear what he said/did today?" Like clockwork.

One of the great things about the last four years was not having to worry about what Joe did or said on any given day. On occasion it might be something I didn't necessarily agree with, but there would be no insanity certainly, so I could live my life and not worry. I'm going to miss that.

Moostache

(10,201 posts)
28. On the positive side, I have not changed...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:28 PM
Nov 14

I still wake up every morning hoping that THIS is the day I read the blessed headline:
"Trump found dead on toilet...phone at feet, post unsent."

Self Esteem

(1,823 posts)
35. Idk I've had dread pretty much all of 2024.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:42 PM
Nov 14

I had a sinking feeling Trump was likely to win all year. So, this feeling has been here for a bit.

MontanaMama

(24,118 posts)
39. It's the feeling that I remember so well
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:47 PM
Nov 14

after my dad died…I’d wake up and think all was well then I’d remember my dad was gone and then the veil would fall. It feels like that.

kimbutgar

(23,791 posts)
40. The main reason I can no longer watch cable news
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 01:23 PM
Nov 14

And I'm having a mild depression that is making me lose my appetite. So I could lose some pounds in grief.

KT2000

(21,020 posts)
43. the feeling I had during the Cold War
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:33 PM
Nov 14

I did not know what was really going on because that was adult talk, but the tension during the Cuban Missile Crisis was palpable to this kid. KC-135s were flown low over my house late at night for finishing at another plant, and they shook the windows. I just knew they were Russian bombs coming in. The Boeing plant where they built military aircraft was just across the water and all the kids knew we were on the hit list if a war started.

I was trained for this moment but the difference is, my fellow citizens voted for this.

Mira

(22,484 posts)
45. Even worse.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:00 PM
Nov 14

I feel it as well, and I again have the TV on mute to monitor the chaos unleashed all day long. I have on classical music, and it helps some.
Repeat of a tragedy, except it's worse already this time around.

Dem4life1234

(2,040 posts)
46. It started when he announced his bid for the presidency
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:01 PM
Nov 14

After losing to Biden.

It's like this vile rapist conman creature keeps coming back.

Now that madman is gonna ruin the economy because people were too fucking stupid to understand how tariffs work. I hate this place.

Meowmee

(6,484 posts)
65. If this were a sane country with a good political system
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:28 PM
Nov 14

he would not have been allowed to run at all, much less again.

Dem4life1234

(2,040 posts)
73. Yeah
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 11:48 AM
Nov 15

I have no clue why the founding fathers didn't put that in place, a felon should never run for president.

Meowmee

(6,484 posts)
74. Nor should someone inciting violence
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 05:40 PM
Nov 15

Which he was doing in the 2016 campaign.

They also failed to devise a system where the president can be quickly and easily removed for reasons of insanity and corruption, etc. In the parliamentary system, such a person would never be allowed to run, and they can quickly get rid of people for various reasons.

Woodwizard

(1,067 posts)
55. This time around.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:47 PM
Nov 14

I just keep laughing, it's like being in a really bad movie. I can't let anger take over.

diane in sf

(4,108 posts)
57. The sawdust is running out of his head so fast he's not going to be able to retain his hypnotic powers.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:55 PM
Nov 14

So foul to live in interesting times.

Meowmee

(6,484 posts)
64. yes
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:25 PM
Nov 14

It is awful. This time we will heed the warning and make preparations to flee if necessary. We had planned to leave eventually anyway.

It's all awful but this is perhaps the hardest for me, to watch this psycho who murdered my father take power again. I am not watching it this time for the most part and stopped long ago. Except for online news etc.

Hopefully once again good will triumph over evil.

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