Kamala is at over 73 million votes

[liberalmediaaddict]

This race wasn't a blowout. Democrats did turn out. Trump may not win over 50% of the popular vote by the time the final results are certified. If Harris had won the blue wall states she would have won the electoral college.

All the pundits relentlessly criticizing Democrats since last Wednesday and claiming Trump and MAGA have a clear mandate are simply impatient a**holes.

Yes we came up short. But we did a hell of a job GOTV.
And it's not our fault 76 million people voted for a mentally unstable demaogue.

This wasn't a Nixon 72 or Reagan 84 style landslide.
And Democrats need to quit tearing each other apart over who's fault it is. I blame one person for this travesty... the Trump voter.

[BComplex]

1. They are auditing all of the battleground states votes.

I'm anxious to see how many problems pop up.

[Babajida]

39. Do you have a link for this info?

I've really been hoping for audits and this is fantastic news. My gut reaction is that there was some f*ckery.

[EdmondDantes_]

40. Almost every state does audits after every election

It's nothing special for this election.

https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/election-audits-across-united-states

[WarGamer]

2. Disagree.

Don't blame voters.

Politicians and political Parties SELL THINGS.

You can like that or dislike it. In a utopian world we'd be led by the most perfectly egalitarian leaders...

But that's not reality.

Think of it this way.

Park a Taco Truck and a Mediterranean food truck on a street corner.

Don't blame the consumers if no one shops at the other food truck, change the menu or hire a new chef...

[yardwork]

8. That metaphor doesn't work at all.

When people buy a sandwich, they know what they're getting. They can see it and taste it. They know how much money they paid for it.

Politics isn't like that at all, especially with all the misinformation targeted at voters. Read the exit polls. Many Trump voters don't have a clue what they just voted for. They are surprised to learn about his promises. They're not just uninformed, they're misinformed. They think things that are completely untrue. Trump voters chose him because they think he'll save social security, or abortion rights, or any number of things that are completely false.

Harris told voters the truth, but too many people either didn't bother to listen to her at all, or were convinced she was lying. A not insignificant number of votes chose Trump simply because he's more entertaining. They think he'll burn it down and they think that will be cool to watch. "This hits so hard."

It's one thing if voters reject a candidate's position. We're way past that. That's a quaint notion in this post-truth world.

[WarGamer]

10. You confirm what I said...

Then SELL better.

No one wants hummus, pita bread and kabobs?

Then tell them how healthy it is... talk about hummus lowering cholesterol. Ask them if they've ever seen a fat person eating hummus?

Maybe make hummus and kabob tacos?

Go after the voter...

[yardwork]

17. I disagree.

I think, based on your voting history, that you assume people rejected Harris because they didn't like her position on Israel. But I and millions of other Democrats do like her position on Israel, and probably almost every Trump voter does, too. In other words, probably around 75% of US voters agree with Harris's policy on Israel. That's not why she lost.

Harris lost because most Trump voters were misinformed by sneaky, under the radar misinformation that nobody could counter.

There was nothing wrong with Harris's "product" or her "marketing." Too many people thought they were buying a mirage, a fantasy.

To take your metaphor a step further, imagine if half the buyers are brainwashed into thinking they are getting a free steak dinner when they're actually getting a pile of shit. THAT's what happened here.

[WarGamer]

19. OK I hear ya...

Let me try another way.

What the DEMS were selling had lots of little things that turned off "some" people.

Some Democrats were turned off by the blind support for Israel. See Michigan.

Some Democrats were turned off by high prices of quality of living issues.

Some Democrats were turned off by illegal immigration.

Some Democrats were turned off by a variety of cultural issues embraced by the campaign.

And YES... some were turned off by her being a woman and mixed race.

A campaign can handle having SOME issues go against them but not LOTS.

In 2008, Obama faced some resistance for being black... but the positives so outweighed the negatives... and the fatigue from war and Shrub led to a landslide.

[yardwork]

28. Sure, but the alternative was demonstrably much worse.

Voters have lots to complain about, and Democrats aren't perfect.

But, if voters were informed, as in your metaphor about food trucks, most would have made a more rational choice.

I'm sticking with my metaphor: most Trump voters were fooled into choosing a mirage. They thought they were getting a free steak dinner (way better than the tacos Kamala was selling!) but they actually got a plate of shit.

[WarGamer]

30. Yeah your last paragraph nailed it.

Trump campaign was Marlboro Man selling cigs that make you look "young and sexy"...

But we still gotta sell better.

[yardwork]

32. I'm not sure how to do that, with all the sneaky misinformation.

I hope we get a chance to try again.

[the_liberal_grandpa]

112. And some were turned of by

The way the party crapped all over Joe Biden and installed Kamala without her running in a single primary.

I had no problem voting for Kamala but when the media, the celebrities and democrats took Joe Biden down I swore I would never vote for another Democrat for president.

I got over that when I saw her energy and heard her message but I believe there were 10s of thousands other democrats who sat out for this very reason.

[SpankMe]

42. I tend to agree with yardwork, here

There's a great piece from WaPo today about the micro-targeted lies that GOP operatives injected into battleground states. It was pure information warfare that flooded people with crazy little lies that pushed many toward Trump.

The article appears to not be behind a paywall. Definitely a good read that I think Dems can learn from. It explains why people who are a better fit for the Democratic coalition moved to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/15/republican-ads-false-flag/

[nmmi]

66. If someone has trouble with that link, there's a DU thread about it and an archive.ph link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219723967
WaPo article: https://archive.ph/u9o7C

[returnee]

78. That's exactly how Brexit prevailed.

I don’t want to quibble about how Kamala’s team ran the campaign. One could say that because they “lost” the election (quotes because Kamala and Tim conceded but I haven’t, not yet at least) then, ipso facto, they ran a bad campaign. To me that’s just too facile. Too much swung the sick fuck convicts way at just the right time. His remarks indicated that he didn’t need to try to gain votes, and began with an intense barrage of insults and outright threats. That is until election day. If one doesn’t smell rotten electoral fish I would suggest they are mirroring a sizable section of the populace’s the ability to judge character. I’m waiting for audits, challenges, and journalistic reports. I may be convinced at some point this was a free and fair election but it won’t be soon.

[returnee]

79. Replying to my own post because I clicked before I was finished.

And going back to Brexit, the Russians did it with micro-targeting down to particular towns. Our own government has repeatedly recognized the threat from Russian interference.
I will also say, there’s been a lot of talk about the count could not be hacked. That just seems plain naive. Malicious software can be entered into individual voting machines when they are programmed for each election. the programming can be programmed to bypass the initial testing, say, for example, programming no malicious activity until a certain date and time.
Just my thoughts. Sorry for running on.

[yardwork]

76. Please discuss them.

[ShazzieB]

81. Why so mysterious?

Who says certain issues can't be discussed? Why? What will happen if you do?

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. Your attitude of "voters can do no wrong" is not great

I mean, the capitalist idea of "everything is about marketing" is tempting when we live in a capitalist society; but actually we have responsibilities to be moral, and treat our fellow humans OK; that's what Trump voters fail at, and they should not be excused.

[WarGamer]

20. But voters get to... vote.

And if you want that vote, you gotta go get it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. Yeah, if you regard democracy as "you've got to sell me something, so what's in it for me?"

you're part of the problem. And the Trump voters are the main part of the problem. Don't let them off the hook. Don't encourage them. Don't support them.

[WarGamer]

33. Philosophically, you're 100% correct.

But ya gotta win elections and the citizens get a vote... and lots of them are stupid, racist, uninformed or worse.

It's not easy.

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. "lots of them are stupid, racist, uninformed or worse" - that was the point - they voted for Trump

Being stupid, racist, uninformed or worse is not an excuse.

[Envirogal]

36. The voters are lazy and have been gaslit

Her platforms were very clear on her website. Does anyone do any research??? No. The blame game is useless and you Monday Morning QB’s are late to the game.

This is been a 40 year coordinated network infrastructure building of misinformation. Where the right has just beaten the Democratic brand to a pulp appealing to the lizard brains of human nature. They have carefully studied how authoritarian regimes break down the guardrails to fool their useful tools into doing their bidding.

That is the only way to explain the double standard on “both-siderism” that gives the right constant passes on their shenanigans while Dems have to be perfect and give the lazy and griping constituents in a diverse big tent “their way”.

I have debated conservatives for years with nothing but facts and selling what Dems do, as I spent 20 years in sales. These yahoos think they are so informed beecaise they avoid legacy media yet rarely have facts to come back with or when I counter them. They are mainly parroting stuff they hear incessantly beaten over their heads. And I am telling you nothing penetrates their heads when presented with facts unless it comes from their side. We are in tribal hell that thrives on chaos, distraction and anger. Everyone hates Russia, especially the Right, until Trump said we should play nice with them, then it’s now our allies amd the Dems that are evil for not mending fences. WTF?

This is a cult. PERIOD. The salesmanship you advocate for will not penetrate. But the cult loves strong leaders, and the Democrats refuse to do what they just to be strong like fight fire with fire, especially because too many Dem voters are old-school thinkers that have distain for ugly politics and think doing good work is fighting back. Look at the Biden fawning over Trump while on the campaign trail called him a fascist threat. Trump never did anything to help Biden in 2020 transition. Yet Trump never pays for his actions and the ring always gets kissed, despite the threat. Dems like peace and being above it all for the greater good.

Dem voters stayed home or didn’t pay attention to the threat of Trump 2.0. The Israel issue that divided us and the Trump economic mess we were still cleaning up was what sank us. Forgiving college debt, extending the child tax credit, down payment for a house, and on and on WAS communicated. But it wasn’t enough or was it ever going to be enough???

The “people” lax attitude on their role in democracy, the dismantling of civic education, and the lure of right wing propaganda effectively coordinated has chipped away our ability to fight this. We blame everyone but ourselves. Well we f’d around and are about to find out.

Only a shock event like what Trump is bringing will wake them up when they realize they sold the golden goose and the price of eggs are still high. But by then, the Reich Wing will have tightened the screws on their power even more and elections will be a facade.

[moose65]

87. We were inundated with ads here in NC

I saw so many anti-transgender ads! Ugh, they were terrible.

I also saw an ad that made me say. “What??” The tagline was something like: Donald Trump will not draft your daughter. I was like, “What? Where did that come from?”

The ads were relentless and repetitive.

[Henry203]

21. I read an interesting

On stupidity. You can fight evil you can’t fight stupid and stupid is way more dangerous than evil.

[Trueblue Texan]

38. People who know what hummus, pita, and kabobs are, want them.nt

[magicarpet]

57. Are the kabobs made with lamb ?

If so I'll take a double order with rice pilaf,... Please.

[Trueblue Texan]

115. I'll take a veggie kabob. nt

[MadameButterfly]

68. First you have to get the sandwich eater to listen

to you. If they aren't turning on your channel and instead are listening to someone who tells them hot dogs are health food, well guess what they're gonna do.

We do have to sell better but can we overcome complete deregulation of publishing, viral social media including one owned by Elon Musk, RW ownership of media in general, end of fairness doctrine, too hard to sue for lies and you can't get paid enough to put them out of business if you win, Citizens United, debates being optional, and failures of our educational system? Besides the uneven playing field (gerrymandering, Senate representation, EC) that makes us need to win more than a simple majority to actually win.

[Blues Heron]

15. thats silly - the voters are 100 percent to blame for choosing that we ALL eat their shitty food choice

[DeepWinter]

22. Totally agree

A long time ago I was told to quit thinking of politicians as destinations. They're not. They're a bus.

You have a destination you would like to get to. Politicians are a bus, you pick which one get's you closest to where you want to go. The bus needs to let you know it's route and where it'll be, only then do you know which one is best for you. One bus may be going super close to where you want to go, but if it doesn't let you know that, you won't pick it. You get on the bus going further away.

[WarGamer]

25. very very accurate.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

56. That is a very good analogy.

[IbogaProject]

49. The media and their Wealthy owners are at fault

We got much worse coverage and they carried him along, no matter how silly, incompetent and outrageous he got. Yes we should have had a full primary but we don't and might not know when Joe started slipping. He's been an awesome leader and I felt we could have run the country off his to do list. But in hindsight starting the Dem primary back last year might have worked out better. This all comes down to Q-Factor, charisma and stage presence. She was a good but not awesome speaker and it often comes down to that. And the big money donors to our party kept us too centrist. There is a vast cohort who haven't recovered from the COVID shutdowns and those K shaped selective recovery victims are hurting, after 40 years of GOP economic destruction.

[IbogaProject]

74. I heard no specifics on reversing the 2017, Bush or Reagan tax policies

The Reagan Administration started the slow decline of the working and middle classes. Tax cuts for the wealthy do not increase general prosperity and they slow economic growth as the wealthy spend slow and often to others of their own ilk.

[OMGWTF]

63. And the Media SOLD US OUT.

[AleksS]

105. I disagree.

It's on the voters, for sure.

The politician's aren't salespeople, they are running to represent the voters. It is the voter's responsibility to use the power (with great power comes great responsibility) responsibly.

If the people pick a bad candidate, it's the people's fault. (Or, if they chose poorly because they were lied to, then it's also the fault of the person doing the lying.)

The politician's responsibility is to let folks know who they are.
The people's responsibility is to pick the representative they think best represents them out of the choices available.

Politicians don't OWE us anything. We're not entitled to be mollycoddled. Voters had a responsibility, and a right, to choose who represents them.

To use your food truck analogy:

If there are two food trucks, and I go buy food from "McSalmonella's House of Botulism" and then I get sick, it's not "Johnson's Healthy Safe Grade A Inspected Food Van's" fault. And it would be pretty silly to blame anyone but me, and McSalmonella for my illness.

We've drifted far from: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country" territory. Now it's just "what's in it for me" and ""nothing is ever my fault," and "why didn't you stop me from doing this to myself!"

[Blue_Tires]

3. Co-signed

Kamala and Tim did nothing wrong...

And I hope we get to see more of Tim Walz on the national stage... For me, he went from "Who the hell is this guy??" to one of my favorite Dems in record time. 😅

[Johonny]

4. 81 million voted for Biden

And he delivered. 73 million in 2024 feels like a huge let down in turn out.

[Buckeyeblue]

9. That is a crazy swing...a 10% decrease

1 out of 10 people who voted for Biden didn't vote for Harris.

[WarGamer]

13. Every one is ignoring the obvious answer.

2020 was an "asterisk election" because of relaxed voting rules due to COVID.

Democrats do better when voting rules are loosened... GOP'er do better when rules are tightened up.

There are some exceptions... in GA they had a BIG increase in turnout from 20 to 24... Trump voters "crawling over broken glass" to vote for him.

[Henry203]

24. I live in GA

GA is a red state. The last time we had a democratic governor was in the nineties. We only won by 11,780 votes. It was no surprise to me that Trump carried GA.

[WarGamer]

26. A DU'er posted a link to an interactive map yesterday

GA had the greatest increase in turnout in the entire country... more than 5% increase

[Tribetime]

54. But drumph got more than 2020 with 34 felonies and constant hate speech

[Bluetus]

95. In 2020, everyone was well aware of how terrible Trump was

4 years later, a case of national amnesia, even when he said out loud every day how terrible he planned to be in 2025.

The American attention span is about ... wait, what was I talking about. I forget. Ah, it doesn't matter. How about them Cleveland Cavaliers.

[elocs]

99. Yes, where did they go, if anywhere? n/t

[Botany]

101. Funny things happen when you let Elon Musk handle the election results

I might be 100% wrong but think not only did V.P. Harris win but she won by a healthy
margin too. God only knows how many Harris votes were dumped or flipped.

Some high level Russian went on record as saying something to the effect that Trump
owes us because we got him this victory.

[yardwork]

14. Voter suppression played a role.

In NC in 2020, absentee voting was simple. Then, the Republican super-majority in our state legislature changed the laws, and suddenly this year absentee voting was very difficult.

The new voter ID means that absentee voters have to attach a printed copy of their ID to the ballot. My millennial neighbor asked me in exasperation who has printers at home these days?! She had to go to FedEx/Kinkos to make a copy of her ID.

Also, mailing the ballots cost some bizarre amount now. It used to be free. Drop your ballot in the mailbox. Nope. This year, North Carolinians had to attach stamps. My same millennial neighbor asks, who has stamps at home?! Now I have to go to Kinkos AND stand in line at the post office! (And we will stand in line... with staffing cuts, a trip to the PO means at least 30 minutes waiting in line. No way to buy stamps in the lobby, either. Those machines were taken off-line.)

Another friend told me her family's absentee ballots were all glued together, no way to open the flaps without cutting them open. She taped them up and delivered them to the elections office. The man there said, good, you taped them up. We'll have to reject ones that aren't taped. How would one know?! Also, why are they glued closed? Oh, the man said, there was a "moisture problem" and all the ballots got sealed when the glue on the flaps got wet.

In NC alone, how many people gave up and didn't vote absentee?

[crud]

45. How many folks saw the news stories about the long lines

and stayed home, how many went to vote and saw the lines and turned around and went home. I don't think anyone, anywhere should have to wait in long lines to vote...yes...voter suppression.

[yardwork]

51. In red areas, there are often no lines.

I waited in line easily 30 minutes in my blue city. My sister, voting in a red rural district, walked in and voted without waiting.

All these Republican dirty tricks add up.

[Hope22]

52. Long lines due to polling places being closed and consolidated.

It Also involved people having to travel a longer distance to vote! And I don’t think we have touched on the massive amount of bomb threats on Election Day, closure of polls during the threat and polls left unattended. The threats have continued at BOE’s the week following the election. Let’s find out who is behind that obstruction and then we will know more! Maybe we can even find the January 6th bomber!!😉

[IbogaProject]

73. Bomb threats in blue swing state precincts too

Not surprised the 2020 record turnout declined slightly, but something is fishy about how this is going down.

[Jit423]

5. Totally AGREE!

[kentuck]

6. After everything that has transpired....

There is no way Trump should have gotten more votes than Kamala.

[AdamGG]

46. It's inconceivable that he was allowed to even be a candidate after

January 6th and stealing/purposely hiding top secret documents. It was big time judicial corruption for Aileen Cannon to delay/kill the documents trial and for the Supreme Court to refuse to hear Jack Smith's motion on immunity, then to consider it when Trump's lawyers presented it and then delay for months before sending it back to lower courts for yet another delay.

Garland should have brought charges sooner, but the blood here is really on the judiciary's hands.

[awesomerwb1]

7. Biden got 7-8 million more votes

Not sure we did a hell of a job GOTV.

[liberalmediaaddict]

75. That was during a pandemic

Most people were stuck at home, knew who to blame (Trump) and voted as early as they could. There really wasn't anything else to do except focus on getting Trump out of office.

73 million and counting is still an improvement over Hillary's 65 million in 2016.

When things are going well in the country a lot of people forget to vote or figured there was no way in hell Trump would win.

I just see all these blanket statements from pundits saying "Democrats didn't turn out." Kind of insulting to the 73 million who did IMHO.

[onetexan]

12. Finally someone posted some sense. I'm so tired of the blame game. Kamala is AN EMINENTLY QUALIFIED candidate,

as was Hillary, but without all of Hillary's baggage vis-a-vis Bill.

The problem here was the relentless twenty four seven disinformation campaign the past four years. Kamala had barely two and half months, and the turnout was amazing. With all the RW rigging/voter suppression/whatever else to come out in the future, combined with the fact there was not enough Dems turnout as in last general for Biden's win.
My heart aches for Kamala, for all of us who worked so hard, for the country, and for the world. Oy...

We need to stay engaged and fight. I've been disconnecting myself past week to deal with the trauma. I'm sure many of you have as well. But the doom and gloom isn't helping.

[totodeinhere]

16. I don't blame the voters.

Let's face it, they were hoodwinked. And they will find out soon enough. I look for a comeback in the midterm elections. I'm predicting that the Democrats retake both the Senate and the House in 2026.

[AdamGG]

48. Unfortunately, the Senate seats in 2026 aren't good candidates for Democratic pick ups

Of the Senate seats on the ballot in 2026, the only one that looks like a potential Democratic pickup is Susan Collins in Maine. Maybe we could have a shot at Thom Tillis in North Carolina. But, John Ossoff in Georgia will be up for election and it will be a challenge to try to hold that seat.

Here is a list of the seats with Republican incumbents that will be on ballot in 2026:
Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine (Susan Collins)
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
North Carolina (Thom Tillis)
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
West Virginia
Wyoming

[totodeinhere]

83. I think that Trump and his goons will mess things up so badly

In the next two years that even red states will go blue.

[AdamGG]

89. I agree, but

the states on this list are the ones that will be happy about heavy handed actions to deport immigrants and ostracize trans people. The things that will really affect them, like impacts to social security & Medicare might take longer than 2 years to play out. Tariffs are inflationary, but it might take a while for these idiots to blame it on Trump instead of saying that it's a holdover from Biden.

[totodeinhere]

96. Good points. n/t

[Initech]

55. I blame a certain power hungry billionaire. Pretty sure most people can figure out which one.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

59. I take it you are talking about the one who cannot be president due to a Constitutional restriction.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5.

[totodeinhere]

84. I guess I am not ready to blame one half of the whole country.

I don't blame them but I do feel sorry for them because they're going to find out soon enough that they made a big mistake voting for that clown.

[BluenFLA]

23. That damn electoral college has to go!

[Shermann]

77. Wouldn't have made a difference this election. nt

[krawhitham]

27. "Democrats did turn out", you sure about that it seems we're 8 million Dems short

[pimpbot]

31. It came down to the blue wall, 250k votes

Once again, who cares about popular vote? WI, MI, and PA were won by trump with an overall margin around 250k votes.

So yea, no mandate or landslide. Every election seems to come down to a small percentage of people that either are too lazy or too dumb. The lazy ones don't show up reliably, and the dumb ones get influenced by all the crap on social media, tv ads, and trumps big pie hole.

[TheProle]

34. 81.2 Million Voted for Biden

So, at this moment, anyway, that's 8 million more than voted for Kamala, roughly the population of NYC.

Where did they go?

[mahina]

109. They weren't watching TV ads, they were in podcasts and chat rooms, and digital media where the bullies were absolutely

Everywhere, unanswered because who wants to argue with bots, and hateful people all day.

[iemanja]

37. We lost all three

The presidency, house, and senate, but Democrats did nothing wrong and it wasn’t a blow out? The fault was that of the candidate we lost to in the presidency. Yes, he kicked our asses, but we also managed to lose the two houses of legislature. You insist we should not concede or examine any shortcomings by the party. Why? Because you want to remain shut out of government? Why must people see everything through their egos, as if nothing else matters? The party is perfect. We only lost because we faced another candidate? Happy now? We are still shut out, and no closer to ever winning another election.

[liberalmediaaddict]

82. I never said the party is perfect

And the results do suck.
But a lot of people are acting like Democrats did everything wrong and that we need to start over from scratch.

I've just seen Democrats hammering each other to death the last week trying to figure out who's to blame with the liberal pundits piling on. Citing a hundred different reasons we lost. Not one of them blaming Trump voters.

This race came down to a coin flip. We barely lost the Presidency and House. The Senate was a lost cause no matter what.

I guess if we want to conduct an autopsy we could try to figure out a plan to appeal to some of the worst people alive... MAGA supporters. And how we can convert these people without abandoning everything we value.

[iemanja]

85. We didn't just lose MAGA supporters

We lost people who dislike Donald Trump but still thought the Democrats didn't offer them enough. They experienced inflation and wanted to go back to a time when prices were lower. Telling people the economy is great when they are suffering isn't a winning tactic. For the first time, Dems lost voters making under $50k. That's a serious problem, and it's not just because MAGA voters are stupid. Many of them aren't even MAGA. Immigration is also a problem, as were Biden's exceedingly low approval ratings, which plagued Kamala since she refused to distance herself from the administration. She also had little time to mount a campaign because Biden dropped out so late.

Then there is the responsibility of people like you and I, who so despise Trump supporters that on social media we treat them as idiots, and say as much, as you have just done. Blaming voters is the best recipe for failure, and I know that I plan to be more careful in how I speak to them in the future. Voters are also sick of the extremes of identity politics, and the twitterati make themselves insufferable. There are a series of factors we have to look into correcting if we are serious about winning again. Then there was that fucking ACLU quiz on transgenderism that gave Trump ammunition to mount endless adds tying Harris to her response on that quiz. Democrats shouldn't participate in stupid quizzes and micro-demands of every single interest group because we just end up alienating the majority. There is a lot we can do better, not just the party but also people like you and I.

[MayReasonRule]

41. Two Kinds Of Trump Voters: Machiavellian Fascists And Darwin Award Winning Fascists

They each have the same depraved, sordid impact on all of our lives...

No matter which they are...

Truly those that support the same ARE the same.

This IS that.

[AdamGG]

43. Trump won the popular vote by a smaller margin than

Hillary did in 2016. Hillary was over 3 million votes, Trump is under.

Unfortunately, closeness is irrelevant. Hitler got 36% of the vote in 1932.

[Old Okie]

47. Close

Only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades? As Carville said winning is the only thing that matters.

[John Shaft]

44. Funny how some Dems came out against Blacks and Browns out of the gate

Being woke means you ain't asleep.

[AdamGG]

50. I think this is overstated, but

the user name checks out.

[John Shaft]

53. I can't sense any actual statement you made - you seem to be making this personal?

Are you suspicious about something?

Did I hurt your feelings?

Do you have something to contribute or are you just making sideways comments you can get away with under the TOS?

[AdamGG]

58. No, it was just an attempt at levity

in what have become pretty stressful times. There's as legitimate argument that the party didn't pay enough attention to their base while seeking to get votes from Republicans that might vote against Trump.

I was just thinking of the lyrics to the Shaft theme song and trying to be slightly humorous that your comment was on point with it. Sorry if you felt offended; that wasn't my intent.

[John Shaft]

60. Cool

Sorry if I came on too strong.

I'm on high alert. I have nervous system dysregulation that manifests in PTSD, I'm on edge. Probably a good idea to stay off discussion sites for me.

[AdamGG]

71. No worries

After this election and contemplating the next 4 years (hopefully only 4), I feel like I have PTSD. I guess lots of people do.

[Tweedy]

61. I am with you right up to that last sentence

Misinformation is our scourge. News deserts are part of the cause.

We need to win the (mis)information wars. We also need to pass a constitution amendment declaring money is not speech and only people are people.

[Honey25]

65. Suspicious election results

Trump won the presidential races in Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, Arizona, and North Carolina, while in the same states Democratic senators Baldwin, Slotkin, Rosen, Gallego won their races, and in North Carolina Democrats won, overwhelmingly, races for Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, Superintendent of Education, Secretary of State. What are the probabilities of this happening? This makes no sense. Where is the outrage from the elected Democratic officials, they are spineless. “It's déjà vu all over again,” but on a much larger scale!

[mvd]

91. Agreed. There should be questions asked

It means people voted Trump but also for Slotkin? Or only voted for down ballot Dems? I know there are a lot of misinformed/ignorant/stupid voters, but it is strange.

[Roc2020]

72. Dems kept the margins

pretty close in house, plus some governors etc. Race was close. I'm starting to get ready to fight again. Still not watching any 24hr news though until summer before midterms

[OverBurn]

80. I went to a family adjacent cookout shortly before the election.

I normally don't argue with Trumpers, they are usually idiots, the bigger the idiot the more outspoken.

They were talking nicknames for Kamala. After a few minutes I said "How about just Madame President". I thought was pretty funny. I was pretty confident that she would win a close race. Wow then I couldn't keep up with the uninformed idiotic thing that were said, I also lost a $100 bet.

A few of the biggest idiots could only talk about trans people and not knowing what bathrooms to go in, etc. So that seemed to be one of their biggest concerns.

The economy was next. I couldn't convince them that the inflation was a worldwide problem and was now doing quite well. That the USA's inflation wasn't as bad as the rest of the world and was mainly do to COVID after effects. That it's been proven a lot was just plain old corpate greed and the prices are not coming down regardless of Presidents.

The economy was very good the last couple of years and my stock portfolio was doing great. Of course they just said that was not for poor people. Not convincing them that most of their retirements were based of the freaking stock market.

[UT_democrat]

88. We lost again

To the world’s worst person. But don’t blame the Dem machine.

[alarimer]

90. Yes the margins were 2-3 percentage points at most in almost all of those states

Within the margin of error. Even just marginally better turnout would have saved it.

[mdbl]

92. Start the blame with Mitch McConnell and move to the repug Senate that didn't convict him

when impeachment blatantly showed him guilty. Add to that the corrupt SCOTUS now seated by Moscow Mitch and then soon to be convicted felon and adjudicated rapist, and you have a really shitty government.

[Galraedia]

93. Trump won by almost the same amount of votes he lost to Joe Biden

So far he is only ahead of Harris by 2.75 million. I honestly find it hard to believe that he won the popular vote as he had already lost it twice, and that was before he incited an insurrection and became a convicted felon.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

94. Trump may go under 50% and so no mandate

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[StevieM]

97. He briefly did drop below 50 percent of the vote.

He was down to 49.94%. Then a new batch of votes came in and pushed him back up again.

There are still outstanding ballots in California and other blue states. It looks like there are more of them than red state ballots. My guess is that he falls just short of 50 percent when all the votes are counted.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

108. Trump is back under 50%

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[totodeinhere]

113. He may go below 50% but he will have a plurality of votes.

So he will get more popular votes than Kamala Harris. This means that this country is in for some real trouble. This idiot will do a lot of damage. I feel in real despair about it.

[Jack Valentino]

98. NO, this was no "landslide" nor a "mandate".

He won, ok.... but he shouldn't have.

The margin in all seven of those "all-important states" was only about 200,000 votes---
which is not that much out of the many millions who voted there.


Republicans always claim a 'mandate' if they win--
hell, I think Shrub even claimed it after 2000,
even though he lost the popular vote...

[Montauk6]

100. He claimed it in '04 when he defeated John Kerry

[B.See]

104. re. "I blame one person for this travesty... the Trump voter."

Absolutely! Especially those blaming President Biden or Vice President Harris -both of whom have given their ALL, on behalf of us, on behalf of democracy, and on behalf of America.

Unconscionable.

[OrlandoDem2]

107. Because of population changes, the Blue Wall won't be enough by 2032.

Florida and Texas will gain more EVs while NY and CA will lose some. We’ve gotta appeal to middle America more. Maybe we finally tip NC and OH but maybe not. Or maybe they take another blue/purple state.

[liberalmediaaddict]

110. Since Trump won't be on the ticket in 2028

Will his supporters find a new MAGA king or just stop voting?

Democrats have done well in every off year election when Trump isn't on the ballot. Whenever he's at the top of the ticket we struggle to win anything. Even in 2020 we barely held onto the House.

Honestly I think a lot of Americans simply like Trump and only turn out to vote when he's on the ballot. And they usually vote straight party down ballot which is a big reason why we lost the House and Senate. I don't think Trump’s ability to bring out voters will easily transfer to any other average Republican nominee.

We have popular policies and a deep bench of talented Governors. I don't think last week's election is going to be our political obituary. Unless we allow Trump and his authoritarian movement to demoralize us to the point we simply give up. Trump leads a movement that defies the laws of political gravity. That's why he's been so hard to defeat. But as of now he is term limited. Running against a Republican who isn't Donald Trump for the first time in 16 years will be a new opportunity.

[Martin68]

111. I don't blame the Harris campaign or Democrats for the loss. I blame the right wing media and dark money ads.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

114. There was no landslide and trump does not have a mandate

trump and company are claiming a landslide and a mandate. The numbers do not support this

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trump's margin will end lower than these numbers

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