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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMango Mussolini filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results of the 2020 election. Why doesn't Kamala do the same???
I posted this question earlier in response to another post about Spoonamore's "Duty to Warn" letter to Kamala Harris.
If she asks for a recount and is denied, then she should file lawsuits in all of the swing states. Democracy itself is on the line, here. We will not survive another four years of Trump, and who is to say that he will leave the White House in four years after he's termed out?
With Trump as president and Tulsi Gabbard as head of the Department of National Security, we are toast, all buttered up and handed on a silver tray to Putin.
C'mon, Kamala! When we fight, we win, remember????
BootinUp
(49,035 posts)LaMouffette
(2,269 posts)hacking of swing states' ballots, then VP Harris should ask for an investigation, audit, recount, whatever it takes to unearth any hacking activity that could have changed the results.
Fiendish Thingy
(18,529 posts)Harris has accepted the results of the election.
Abnredleg
(951 posts)magicarpet
(16,523 posts)... trying to teardown and dismantle American Democracy for shits and giggles or inflate our damaged or hurt egos.
TheKentuckian
(26,255 posts)based on nothing but him losing was a positive or even acceptable, I cannot even guess.
It was a geyser fountain of meritless lies that lead to an insurrection.
LaMouffette
(2,269 posts)concerns that Trump teamed up with Musk to hack the election, there should be an audit, recount, or investigation to see if there is evidence of hacking.
The key word is "legitimate."
You're right that Trump and his minions severely damaged Americans' trust in the election system. Unfortunately, what they also did was make it so that anyone questioning the results of Trump's win are also seen as damaging trust in the election system. Okay, but what if they really did hack the election? Are we supposed to accept the results unquestioningly? Or do we accept the results once irregularities are sorted out and the election is found to be unhacked?
In other words, do we shy away from questioning the results just because we want to take the high road so that we're not accused of being election deniers?
TheKentuckian
(26,255 posts)You will only accept wins and call unspecified cheating that must be investigated even though what cheating was done cannot even be articulated much less substantiated otherwise.
This is straight mirrored behavior and reasoning as we saw in 2020 and wanting to move the goalposts to the impossible of proving a negative.
This isn't a desire to look into something, it is an understandable
desperation to find ANYTHING to change the results.
Seriously, what would satisfy and why was that standard not demanded before we lost and be honest, if we had won would you have required the same burden of proof to accept that?
Silent Type
(6,685 posts)wryter2000
(47,474 posts)Nt
doc03
(36,711 posts)beleive in democracy and accept the results.
republianmushroom
(17,652 posts)And they (democrats) are only starting to learn to fight.
MineralMan
(147,592 posts)Lack of real evidence. He didn't have any. Do we? I mean real, demonstrable evidence of wrongdoing.
I don't think so.
LaMouffette
(2,269 posts)have written is that if there are legitimate concerns that the ballots in the swing states were hacked, we shouldn't shy away from voicing those concerns just because we don't want to be labeled election deniers.
As for no evidence, I would say that it would be optimal to begin with evidence, but is that how it always works? Or does the unearthing of the truth begin with an uneasy sense of "fishy-ness," a feeling that "something just ain't right about this"?
I would point to Trump's strange behavior and remarks on the campaign trail, such as "I'm not supposed to say this, but you don't have to vote. I don't need any more votes. I've got all the votes I need."
And then that Spoonamore guy's "Duty to Warn" letter. I mean, that could absolutely be just a conspiracy theory, and a cruel one at that,, because it is giving me and others a glimmer of hope that a wrong could be righted.
I mean, what would it hurt to put our best "high IQ" cyber security people on this to do a deep audit to see if there is anything to the "bullet ballots" irregularities that Spoonamore talks about in his letter?
Yes, it would create chaos and upheaval if our side challenges the results, but chaos and upheaval are what we are in for anyway for the next four years. And beyond, if they have, indeed, figured out a high-tech way to overturn the results.
I don't know. Anyway we look at it, the future is pretty grim.