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TexasTowelie

(116,812 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:59 AM Sunday

U.S. Polling Is Pitiful, and It's a Danger to Democracy - William Spaniel



The 2024 polls were inaccurate once again. In the political discourse, this seems to be a source of humor and annoyance. However, it has very real consequences for candidate behavior. This video examines how parties develop their ideological platforms in the absence of good knowledge of where the bulk of voters lie on the political spectrum. We will see that this leads to polarized platforms, thereby eliminating one of the primary benefits of democratic institutions. Although it is not an immediate threat to the U.S. system, it is something that could become a problem if the inaccuracies get worse.

0:00 The Polls Were Wrong
1:42 Democracy and Political Parties
4:09 The Median Voter Theorem
9:17 Mystery Median Voters
14:22 How Mystery Medians Polarize Party Platforms
17:37 Why Democracy Stops Civil Wars
20:08 The Danger of Mystery Medians and Civil War
21:06 Why This Isn't an Emergency
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U.S. Polling Is Pitiful, and It's a Danger to Democracy - William Spaniel (Original Post) TexasTowelie Sunday OP
its what the media does with the polls, is the problem. anything for a horse race, and treating laughable outliers Meadowoak Sunday #1
Exactly... Blue_Tires Sunday #4
NY Times last national vote poll was 49%-49% which will turn out almost dead on accurate Prairie Gates Sunday #2
I just don't understand Blue_Tires Sunday #5
I still want to know how Blue_Tires Sunday #3
Shy Trump voter again? LisaL Sunday #6
But I thought the demographics of people Blue_Tires Sunday #7

Meadowoak

(6,219 posts)
1. its what the media does with the polls, is the problem. anything for a horse race, and treating laughable outliers
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:29 AM
Sunday

as serious just for ratings is the problem.

Blue_Tires

(55,848 posts)
5. I just don't understand
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:06 AM
Sunday

If Harris was even or slightly above in ALL the battleground states, why she wasn't able to win a single one... I mean the law of averages says she'd get half of those, right?

Blue_Tires

(55,848 posts)
3. I still want to know how
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:02 AM
Sunday

A highly respected pollster had Harris +3 in Iowa a week before the election, which made all the Dems on Twitter celebrate (I know it was legit because Donnie was absolutely losing his shit on Truth Social)... Most of the mainstream polls had Iowa as a toss-up and the most conservative Trump-biased pollster had Trump +6...

... And Trump wins Iowa +14?!

Are people lying to pollsters? I mean, how did EVERYONE get it so wrong?

LisaL

(46,606 posts)
6. Shy Trump voter again?
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:33 AM
Sunday

People could be lying to pollsters. Also, most people don't pick up "unknown" phone calls anymore, so the sample of voters isn't random.

Blue_Tires

(55,848 posts)
7. But I thought the demographics of people
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:31 PM
Sunday

Who would actually answer pollster calls heavily favor Trump??

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